The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:18 pm Those voting Porscha,

Does Porscha only look W if they are on a team with me on it? All of Porscha's reactions to me while we were bickering does not feel wolf. Porscha should be assessed, but I don't think is the first of remaining wolves we get, if we get there. I think the order of Neon > Ruri > Porscha is correct, otherwise we miss.

Pyxxy was drilling Porscha last end of day so yes it is independent. If there's no wolves in you/Porscha I'll eat a shoe.

I'm going to assume you're in antispew now because Ruri is basically clear. Schia's role had no reason to exist without hers and scum hit outside of Creature.

Pyxxy is a somewhat good kill for me and crystallizes some things because I had some lingering paranoia.

Pyxxy said that* not Schia

Ok I'm going to try to sleep

I didn't realize it was false. It was a minor detail though, I saw Schia say "inb4 wilg self presses" then thought I saw you self pres but I could've been wrong. Creature is clear Ruri is basically clear and Neon is my strongest townread soi think you're just outed. My POE would be Wilgy/Porcha/Falcon/NANOOK. Falcon has the positive track in his favor. NANOOK I'm a little sketched out by his claim and I'd take his wagon over Neon but Wilgy I'm sure is mafia now. Sorry to all the dead people for scumsiding for awhile etc.

That's what I thought I saw. I admittedly could've been wrong. But I was really confused when I saw you landed off wagon.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:58 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:49 pm Btw Wilgy did try to self pres I literally saw it like a minute before EOD he only switched when it was clear Schia was dying lol.
Town self-pres too.

Tho I'm very OK w/ Wilgy & Porscha flipping.

What if we wagon them both?

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sorry the formatting got messed up on that, it should've been:

Yes they do but I'm pointing out he tried to make himself look towny by acting like he wasn't self-pressing and switching to Neon when right before that I refreshed and he was.

But yes I'd like to kill Wilgy and Porscha. Wilgy first though because of wagons and dead people.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:58 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:49 pm Btw Wilgy did try to self pres I literally saw it like a minute before EOD he only switched when it was clear Schia was dying lol.
Town self-pres too.

Yes they do but I'm pointing out he tried to make himself look towny by acting like he wasn't self-pressing and switching to Neon when right before that I refreshed and he was.

But yes I'd like to kill Wilgy and Porscha. Wilgy first though because of wagons and dead people.

Tho I'm very OK w/ Wilgy & Porscha flipping.

What if we wagon them both?

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Btw Wilgy did try to self pres I literally saw it like a minute before EOD he only switched when it was clear Schia was dying lol.

I just remembered I almost started yesterday off exactly as I did today with the Wilgy vote and push there ignoring myself and listening to dead people but then the claim stuff happened and I saw his posting and got convinced otherwise. So it was actually 2 days ago that Porcha opened up pushing Wilgy then shifted somewhere each day.

You're probably alive because you've been wagoned so seem pushable. They tried to wagon you last eod

I think me being alive matters more (sounds selfish but seriously) and it's because I shielded Wilgy.

Also Neon was calling Wilgy outed yesterday and I don't think they're ever made EOD so I don't think that's fair critique.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:22 pm Neon isn't around for much of last RD, and they come outta the gates to push Wilgy?

That's an easy wagon for a wolf to push right now, easy with a capital E

This is what I thought the other day with what Porcha did but I think Wilgy is just outed now

I wouldn't be super shocked if Porscha progression was W/W

There are literally 5 loud town voices against Wilgy in the graveyard at this point (Seanzie, Lucy, Schiavetto, Anne, now Pyxxy)), this can not go unresolved another day

Wilgy/Porscha had some pretty baller scum theater yesterday if they're the team but I see that as the most likely scenario at the moment.

At this point I'm not going to even read Wilgy's posts because I inevitably get swayed by them too, I'm legit treating him as if he's been red checked just due to the game state, the kills, etc, I really don't think I'd be alive if he was town.

Don't see* myself. In fact I would speed up the day if possible

Ruri is probably definitely real at this point due to Schia's role and mafia not targeting Creature?

I guess Pyxxy was looking at Porscha but shrug Wilgy just needs to die

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

At this point I'm just listening to dead people, I've listened to myself enough and it's just been wrong

Will look into where Pyxxy was looking but don't myself changing this vote

Schia
Ruri
Falcon
NANOOK

Has 1 or 2 for sure

I mean he should do that

I think we should flip Schia still

I need to go again I'm doing something with my parents

I guess Porcha's whole progression on Wilgy is villagery

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:43 pm I mean sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss if you guys wanna flip wilgy go for it I just can't do it myself

I'd really rather not.

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:42 pm Okay I'm around but eh

My preference is like

Schia > Wilgy > Neon in these

While I think NANOOK 's been townier today I'm still a bit skeeved by his role not fitting with this setup

Ruri should die if she is not using her doc again I tagged her she should know. Creature should not die

As in creature should not be dying overnight because he should be docced by Ruri

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:39 pm Celebrating little brothers birthday but I'm around.

I really don't see why Obs would argue so against Neon.

Neon's not spewed by any measure. It's very strange.

Well I came into yesterday tunneling them then went through an entire character arc with them and ended up with them lock town

They're also vouched for by Mac and when I just reread day 1 they're super unaligned with the mafia

Okay I'm around but eh

My preference is like

Schia > Wilgy > Neon in these

While I think NANOOK 's been townier today I'm still a bit skeeved by his role not fitting with this setup

Ruri should die if she is not using her doc again I tagged her she should know. Creature should not die

Unfortunately I can't be on much longer/following until like 10 minutes before flip because I have dinner but I'll be back then

Like I do think it's reasonable to say not to ignore them though but also they should not be the only reason

The Neon wagon at this point feels like the worst possible thing and I hard veto that. I think Wilgy is town but the flip should 100% be in Wilgy/Schia. or we should've talked about that earlier I don't want Anne crap again

I mean I'm stuck on that because part of why I tinfoiled Anne was flipped townies... and that was what a lot of people on her wagon used

I'm still stuck on the notes Schia took SOD2 meant to make him look towny and not a lot else

IRT claim, I'm not sure. Do wolves get help with ideas for claims?

okay i need to start cooking dinner, but i RR day 1 and it reminded me that yeah i'm better finding townreads and working down so ima continue with that. i sort of liked NANOOK's EOD1 and remember Sabi tried to discredit this read - which matters because i now see Sabi was basically powerwolfing. Wilgy has a super town day one.

i'm still good with my vote on schia, will be off and on around through EOD.

my gut says Creature/Neon/Wilgy are all town > other townreads. Creature clear. Neon from our interactions yesterday. Wilgy just from everything as a whole - like my very very broad POE would be Porscha/NANOOK/Falc/Pyxxy/Ruri/Schia. NANOOK and Pyxxy have definitely been trending up a lot today but I don't feel as comfortable removing them.

i'm trying to reread the game from page 1 again just to see if anything sticks out that i missed early

I also don't have an iron clad team, I actually starting drawing a chart in my notebook earlier with NON-teams to see if I could narrow it down but didn't find it super useful.

Okay I'm looking back, not sure if there's anything that I need to respond to. I will say aside from role shenanigans, an issue I have with Schia is I feel their reads are a bit.. static? Like they're sort of just running a course rather than actively trying to evaluate people.

I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

I had this weird dream that a mafia vanilla flipped so Wilgy was calling Falcon/Pyxxy 100% clear and I legitimately thought for a second it was real...... would be based to flip a vanilla tho

:O

I find Wilgy towny but I don't want to beat a dead horse about it. Also I intend to respond to yours and Schia's long messages once I get to my laptop.

No I think Anne was genuinely motion detected by sabi or else she wouldn't have risked saying she was tracked nowhere

But yeah I think it's very likely that a role cop exists just based on the kills, Anne said so too

Role copped* VT

Okay having a delicious dinner party

With Anne flip I sort of think the night kills are for mason hunting/rolecop existing and doc dodge possibly. Like not killing Anne seems weird AF to me so I wouldn't put a ton of stake into that. Like Anne probably got role cooler VT

@Ruri in case you didn't see the NANOOK stuff, please make sure you 100% use your shot tonight on Creature

Rn my solve is still Porscha and schiavetto because they make sense to me as a team the most even though Porscha has had some very towny moments

Wilgy I just have trouble finding a partner for

I guess unless it's exactly Wilgy/NANOOK, if Wilgy is mafia his partner just decided to let him go which.... is possible? Seems risky with power roles in play, they must be fairly deep in that case..

Idk I think he can be resolved for multiple reasons but having a hard time fitting it in

@Porscha what are your thoughts on Schiavetta?

Tbh yeah I'm a little worried the Wilgy stuff is the same with Jack where I'm townreading his post and I want him to be town but gamestate could point to him being mafia.

Schia empowered Ruri and Ruri didn't even use her shot

Like it's not that hard to @ someone and be like "hey, use your role, I'm going to use my one shot tonight"

IDK it's just like... if you're town do better. Feels like the soft may have been real but it wasn't towny because he wasn't trying to be pro town about it. Am I beating a dead horse or do people see this?

I guess I agree the stuff on Ruri doesn't look great, but what Creature mentioned about Schia's role being useless unless Ruri is real may be true if I'm not misunderstanding..

I'm also still kind of wary of his "soft."

At this point I'm not opposed to Wilgy dying, but I think power role stuff needs to be resolved either today or tomorrow.

Falcon is towny now, kind of, NANOOK was towny earlier.

Eep. I'll try to do more analysis tomorrow Gn

But killing Wilgy is ignoring everything related to claims which feels more important than wagons?

Schia why do you think Wilgy is hard mafia? What are your thoughts on the claims?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:48 pm If I were to setup spec NANOOK's claim makes the least sense in this setup. However, NANOOK somehow got his night results right so I think he's probably telling the truth.

I think that a role cop definitely exists with scum if they helps with anything.

Whoever is town in Falcon/NANOOK,

I really appreciate you for not going ballistic the times I pushed you.

Not everyone has gone ballistic some people just reactionary but I have noticed this

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:40 pm Ftr I'm rn at DrWilgy > Porscha (especially if DrWilgy is town) > Schiavetto

Kinda paranoid of falcon45ca too, but he'd need to be mafia goon who abstained N4 or ninja.

Who is a partner to Wilgy
Like I am at a point where I want to try to solve viable teams

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:25 pm I feel like setup spec is a trap and we should just wolfhunt normally. I found Ruri pretty towny for the way she claimed because I feel like she could've just claimed to use all their shots at once if she was fakeclaiming.

Okay last thing

Idk how much this applies here because this is a game with vanillas but with my game I just finished, the mafia were literally the 2 people who were the fishiest about their claims so I don't want to ignore that

Like here I don't even think Ruri was fishy about their claim I think Schia kinda was and NANOOK has been consistently but I trust NANOOK today

The fishiest part of Ruri's claim was the way Jack like approached it but their actual posts I agree have been towny and Schia's whole "zzzz Empowered Ruri" kind of pinged me as someone like trying to hide a lie into other stuff, on first read

@schiavetto why are you Lmao Falcon's vote on Porcha?

I am dangerously close to confbiasing Schia/Porcha team ngl.

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