The Syndicate

anne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:04 pm Honestly, I expected the Mac vote about ten hours ago, so he might be mafia for not having voted me yet

Why's that?

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/80s-wi ... /3283/4161

This is my only finished game, if you want to know about me

I was town and it was very PR heavy.

I'll swap you Anne for Lucy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:53 pm this playerlist is too cool for this game to be this bad

kill anne

Oh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:52 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:44 pm I'll state who I am in 2-3 business days if I'm still alive
I can already tell I'm gonna not care

Good because I was joking

Who do you want to kill?

I'll state who I am in 2-3 business days if I'm still alive

Vibes!

And Creature is town.

Anyway Lucy is mafia.

Vote: Lucy

I think Sabi is fine.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:51 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:37 pm Because a wolf would probably see someone make a weird post and assume they're just weird without trying to read into it. Or you know, shade them, but not actually care.
I know it sounded jokey, but I’m actually serious.

You play neutral, keeping your cards close to your chest and treading the line between town and mafia. Propose that you need time to reveal you alignment…I blow up your spot with seemingly baseless accusations. Wilgy jumps on it too. You eventually get too much attention- you take off the mask to reveal you were my fun-loving dad ALL ALONG HAHAHA REMEMBER THE FUN TIMES WE USED TO HAVE BEFORE I LEFT HOME WHEN YOU WERE FOUR?

So now you’ve switched gears to be a likeable town leader so hopefully the town will spare you. Though now you have to contend with mafia NKing you.

The OP says 4 mafia and 16 town. Nothing about neutrals.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:43 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:00 pm If I were to share reads right now they'd just be townreads. That's not useful to the thread at this point. As I said, when I have a scumread I'll discuss it. Its strategic, but I don't believe this tactic is anti-town.

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:31 pm Oh Anne is town too.
@obscurity why did you say that saying townreads are useless rn but then say a townread like a couple of post later when not much has changed in the game state?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:18 pm obscurity is obvious town
Wanna enlighten the class on this one? Any other reads you got?

Saw boring role PM, saw list of players contained no one from my games on other sites/no one who knew me, and figured I could get away with doing a dumb performative gimmick for reactions as well as my own amusement. But I felt like I got as much as I would out of it and if I continued it was going to derail the thread and actually become anti town so I stopped.

Because a wolf would probably see someone make a weird post and assume they're just weird without trying to read into it. Or you know, shade them, but not actually care.

19th century scholar being other peoples power wolf meta is amusing

Oh Anne is town too.

but yes I've obviously been putting on a facade. just thought it'd be fun as an experiment and Scotty/Wilgy made themselves obvious town in the process. Mac I'm not sure how to feel because I feel like I was very obviously being performative and talking like I was from the 19th century: will let it simmer. I used to be an English teacher and wanted to have fun

I think my posts have been the only ones to get clearly AI reactions from people. Therefore I'd argue they're very pro-town.

I don't believe I'm obvious anything, but if you guess I'm town you have over a 70% chance of being correct.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:06 pmpenis

I feel empowered.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:07 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:00 pm If I were to share reads right now they'd just be townreads. That's not useful to the thread at this point. As I said, when I have a scumread I'll discuss it. Its strategic, but I don't believe this tactic is anti-town.
How do you read me atm?

You should know I don't intend to answer that yet.

You disagreeing with a read would only matter right now if that person was a candidate to be eliminated. If someone I townread is a candidate to be eliminated near the day end, I'd speak up.

The second part is only relevant in you reading me. I will make myself readable in due time. I'm not going to withhold my thoughts forever.

If I were to share reads right now they'd just be townreads. That's not useful to the thread at this point. As I said, when I have a scumread I'll discuss it. Its strategic, but I don't believe this tactic is anti-town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:54 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:29 pm I already have some townreads that are stronger than what I've voiced that I don't intend to talk about. I'll contribute more once I have some solid scumreads. I'm not perfect, but I'm a decent enough scum hunter that the overall accuracy and logic on this front is a much more solid way to read me.
I question as to why you'd retract information this early. I'd say we haven't broken out of RVS yet, why hold data?

It's not necessary to talk about yet. I'd rather see how other peoples reads develop without my influence. Perhaps it is selfish, but it'll help me read people if I feel they're perceiving the game in a similar way to me while knowing they're not doing so intentionally.

I did not preplan my opening. I'm not sure what my motive to lie there would be considering preplanning is, by definition, NAI. I wrote it after reading the first posts. I could've just as easily opened talking about quiche.

I'm not sure what this cop stuff is. Have I missed something?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:28 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:26 pm They were mocking me. I respect it.

I've played some games on mafiascum and fortress of lies. The mafia scum games I believe are still ongoing due to the phase lengths.

The way mafia plays is heavily dependent on the player which is why it's difficult to ascribe legitimate towncred to things when I have no knowledge of the player this early on, and some things that may seem townie from some people are not from others. The "average" mafia player is posting to blend in and not stick out or make waves, is more cautious, and thus entrances that don't fit into this mold are not fitting of the average mafia player. However, many mafia players are not average.

This reads to me like an alien species dutifully reciting the first paragraph in a book about “The Game of Mafia”

So look, you’re obviously someone that has a strong knowledge of how the game works, and can solve methodically. As such, you’ve also said you hadn’t preplanned your first post, which I find- as the Brits say- bollocks. Could just be a playstyle thing.

But here’s a few follow up questions: you said eventually you will alignment tell. Do you usually alignment tell as your games goes on? And is that for both alignments?
And if you *know* you usually have a town or mafia flag, wouldn’t you try to…I dunno…play into that meta if you were in fact a wolf? The whole thing seems suspect to me.

I also didn’t realize you were new here- I was mistaking you for someone else. You will not be my final vote today. Tomorrow, maybe. If you don’t die in the night, of course

So that's why I say my opening was not alignment indicative. Because I can write it as mafia. A lot of things I can do as either alignment. But some things can't be imitated, or would be illogical to imitate, such as pushing against a mafia hard, getting multiple killed, dissociations with mafia, etc.

So yes I believe by, say, day 3, I will either be an obvious alignment or I'll have been killed.

They were mocking me. I respect it.

I've played some games on mafiascum and fortress of lies. The mafia scum games I believe are still ongoing due to the phase lengths.

The way mafia plays is heavily dependent on the player which is why it's difficult to ascribe legitimate towncred to things when I have no knowledge of the player this early on, and some things that may seem townie from some people are not from others. The "average" mafia player is posting to blend in and not stick out or make waves, is more cautious, and thus entrances that don't fit into this mold are not fitting of the average mafia player. However, many mafia players are not average.

You think?

out* themselves, rather.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:15 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:14 pm Nice to meet you, Jack.
Hey what’s up? Awesome to meet ya.

Not much. Just sitting back and observing in case the mafia decides to put themselves.

I'm sure you understand your predicament. Good evenings aren't allowed in mafia. Only misery for all.

Nice to meet you, Jack.

I already have some townreads that are stronger than what I've voiced that I don't intend to talk about. I'll contribute more once I have some solid scumreads. I'm not perfect, but I'm a decent enough scum hunter that the overall accuracy and logic on this front is a much more solid way to read me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:17 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:39 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:55 am i don't really expect to figure things out today.

I'm getting some initial "decent" vibes from a couple people but at the same time it's partially a shot in the dark based on my experience and voicing them too heavily will just give mafia a free night kill - I've seen nothing in this thread that can't technically be faked even if I would give some "either towny or confident mafia" points to a couple entrances

The closest thing to something that may not be faked was Sabi's entrance, mainly because I think the way they were worried they'd be forever POE but considering how they may adjust their playstyle to a different type of setup is more likely to come from a townie mindset

I don't think I've played with anyone here before, could be wrong >.>
lol this is probably the worst entrance to the game so far.

-Getting some decent vibes from a few people, only lists sabi as not fakeable. It’s totally fakeable.
-doesn’t want to voice townreads because…mafia will NK them? Mafia gonna NK whoever. This is preemptive posturing.

I hate Day 1 suspicions but just based on entrances, you’re my top scumread

[VOTE: obscurity] aubergine
Sure. It was an entrance that I'd easily write as mafia, though I'm not mafia. I've not alignment told yet.
Implying that you will alignment tell eventually?

Yes.

The post was not thought up before hand. I wrote it because I started to read entrances, began to type up some thoughts on them, then realized most of the thoughts were useless because any competent mafia could write the things I would've initially called townie (like, coming in declaring they're town once again) and wanted to be more careful about my reads.

While it's not good to do mafia's work for them, I also don't believe in holding back on thoughts altogether, because generating content will spark conversations and help crystallize reads. So initial reads like that are more valuable to voice than something I may eventually feel much more strongly about.

Looking forward to this match with you, Scotty.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:46 am But seriously, obscurity came in saying ‘I see some town, but I don’t wanna say their names because it’ll put a target on their back my hands are tied but ok guys it’s sabi. Oh, and cape.”

Reads as TMI

I voiced a couple light things that I felt most strongly about. I did not go into any sort of depth on my thoughts, or barrel at all beyond the surface. Make of that as you will.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:59 am @anne why did you tr cape and seanzie for not giving AI content?

@Cape90 same question but in regards to Falcon?

@obscurity why do you think what I said wasn't fake able?

@Scotty you have a lot of thoughts on people's openings. Rank em

@Neon why did Anne vote you?

@DrWilgy why did you choose cape to kingmaker and why are we kingmaking a closed set up

I said it was the closest to not being fakable and explained why. Logically, your entrance could've certainly been faked, but I ascribe an amount of credit to the mindset in itself not being something I'd expect mafia to have. You seem focused on playing in a certain way, and I don't believe that playstyle is at the forefront of mafia's mind in an opening.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:39 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:55 am i don't really expect to figure things out today.

I'm getting some initial "decent" vibes from a couple people but at the same time it's partially a shot in the dark based on my experience and voicing them too heavily will just give mafia a free night kill - I've seen nothing in this thread that can't technically be faked even if I would give some "either towny or confident mafia" points to a couple entrances

The closest thing to something that may not be faked was Sabi's entrance, mainly because I think the way they were worried they'd be forever POE but considering how they may adjust their playstyle to a different type of setup is more likely to come from a townie mindset

I don't think I've played with anyone here before, could be wrong >.>
lol this is probably the worst entrance to the game so far.

-Getting some decent vibes from a few people, only lists sabi as not fakeable. It’s totally fakeable.
-doesn’t want to voice townreads because…mafia will NK them? Mafia gonna NK whoever. This is preemptive posturing.

I hate Day 1 suspicions but just based on entrances, you’re my top scumread

[VOTE: obscurity] aubergine

Sure. It was an entrance that I'd easily write as mafia, though I'm not mafia. I've not alignment told yet.

Oh I'd call Cape's entrance mildly villagery too, the comment on Falcon I believe they believed when they said it.

i don't really expect to figure things out today.

I'm getting some initial "decent" vibes from a couple people but at the same time it's partially a shot in the dark based on my experience and voicing them too heavily will just give mafia a free night kill - I've seen nothing in this thread that can't technically be faked even if I would give some "either towny or confident mafia" points to a couple entrances

The closest thing to something that may not be faked was Sabi's entrance, mainly because I think the way they were worried they'd be forever POE but considering how they may adjust their playstyle to a different type of setup is more likely to come from a townie mindset

I don't think I've played with anyone here before, could be wrong >.>

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