The Syndicate

Id also like to congratulate WWA on becoming second poster, really stepped up to the hyper posting today

Lest i die.

I think my elgacy is clear.

@Schiavetto you committed crime of wolf reading me for town reading you and wwa. I really wanna know why you hated those so much.

Might be my highest posting game ever at this rate

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:52 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:51 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:50 pm cools

did mungbean give up shortly after that?

Yh i think IAWY spewed himself not wkth mung tbh

cools

do you have a quote compilation or am i going to have to read the new 450 posts i missed overnight

No you need to read everything

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:50 pm cools

did mungbean give up shortly after that?

Yh i think IAWY spewed himself not wkth mung tbh

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:49 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:48 pm is mungbean a mechanical hang or what tho

Yeah, he goofed and fake claimed a role that was impossible for him to be
He's the vote canceller who was on Chelsea

I saved the day

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:40 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:34 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:31 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:30 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:23 pm What's with Mung

we outted them

but yes
@Schiavetto

you are poe

my, sabi, WWA, Rask, and a few others likely lock town

I also think yo are just a wolf

I'm sorry you feel that way

What can you provide.

@Schiavetto FYPOV there should be 3 evil in IAWY, Quas, DOOM, IBA, and Valentine.

Same for rest of you tbh

You think a five person scum team?

Also I am already assuming Doom is scum, so

nah the 3p

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:31 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:30 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:23 pm What's with Mung

we outted them

but yes
@Schiavetto

you are poe

my, sabi, WWA, Rask, and a few others likely lock town

I also think yo are just a wolf

I'm sorry you feel that way

What can you provide.

@Schiavetto FYPOV there should be 3 evil in IAWY, Quas, DOOM, IBA, and Valentine.

Same for rest of you tbh

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:23 pm What's with Mung

we outted them

but yes
@Schiavetto

you are poe

my, sabi, WWA, Rask, and a few others likely lock town

I also think yo are just a wolf

when's hammer

IAWY town prolly off today (assuming mung red)

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:32 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:30 pm i basically singlehandedly killed guillo so i think i'm pretty obvious town

Me and Sabi did.

You're trying to take way too much credit tbh

So did nut to be clear

team effort

LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:31 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:30 pm Quas' reaction to this all been the least whelming imo

i was literally afk and not involved in the mech

still ain't whelming

Quas' reaction to this all been the least whelming imo

Who was mungbean pushing? and defending?

ok well .

Lets kill mungbean, the outted mafia
Then lets use our powers to try n stop the rest from acting etc etc

Then hopefully we win

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:10 pm Okay, so:

Colin
Chelsea
Sabi
Wind
DZ
Petit

Are never mafia, pretty much all on a mechanical level

Mung is lolcatting and outed

That leaves 6 people to fill out the rest of the team:

Schia
Risii
IBA
Quas
Iawy
DoOm

If Quas is mafia I expect full vindication for Vibe Tell being correct once again, but I’m otherwise not looking his direction right now

DoOm is also been kind of lolcatty, but that’s kind of murky

I cannot recall anything Snow has done today tbh

Schia is dead to the world and that’s extremely suspect now

I feel like anybody who thinks I’m mafia at this point is just wanting me to be rather than actually paying attention to what I’ve done today

IBA I don’t think is mafia, but has been pushing all day for people to out their roles which doesn’t sit right with me

——

Anything I have wrong, lmk

I have a meta town read on snow/risiinq.

I posted a bunch about why I thought quas was town or at least, not mafia.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:10 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:08 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:07 pm But yea

Le petit/Rask is clear.

Do I need to explain why Rask is clear or?

embarrassingly, yes

Why

Because I dont get it, but, I think others do.

If you have good reason to withhold thats fine, but, I'm just saying I'm lost

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:09 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:07 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:05 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:03 pm im not as confident as you all tbh.

I still dont know what role Chelsea is dunno how wind does.

Why would scum lie? They know how to tell truth here.

I don't think Wind does it just takes you about five seconds to connect dots

I never claimed to be good, just loud

I can't tell if you missed something I said earlier in the thread today when I was talking with risiinq, or if you didn't understand the implications of it

both

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:07 pm But yea

Le petit/Rask is clear.

Do I need to explain why Rask is clear or?

embarrassingly, yes

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:05 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:03 pm im not as confident as you all tbh.

I still dont know what role Chelsea is dunno how wind does.

Why would scum lie? They know how to tell truth here.

I don't think Wind does it just takes you about five seconds to connect dots

I never claimed to be good, just loud

oh cool he's now lolcating weeeee

im not as confident as you all tbh.

I still dont know what role Chelsea is dunno how wind does.

Why would scum lie? They know how to tell truth here.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:00 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:59 pm wait my role is useless then

You were a 1-shot, weren't you really sorry about outing it, I kinda goofed but hey, you're confirmed town now

whut

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:56 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:55 pm Ahhh okay, so prox-

WAIT

Chelsea didn’t act on Nutella, Raskol did

Which means Raskol should be proxy cop, not Chelsea

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Yeah that's why I was trying to make DZ out Mung's name.
It was a 50/50 between proxy cop and vote canceller, Rask isn't even here to claim, and Mung just claimed a role that was not in anything I saw so either he's a ninja or he's lying, and he can't be a ninja because DZ saw him.
The fact that he is definitely lying from my pov proves that he's scum and I will not move my vote off him.

yh I know what you are saying just seems a weird thing to lie about

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:53 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:59 pm If I understand it correctly, two separate players ended up having their actions go through on the same player, which respectively provided them with the names of all the players who acted on them (sans roles), and the names of the roles that acted (sans names)

Mung appears on one list, his claimed role does not appear on the other

So if someone can please clarify and correct me if my understanding of those claims is wrong, that would be great. Otherwise, it looks like Mung’s claim doesn’t match up no matter who the Nexus target was on

Correct, yes
For Mung to be telling the truth, Chelsea, DZ and I all have to be lying.
Because I confirm I saw a watcher, vote canceller and proxy cop, DZ confirms he saw me and some potential candidates for that proxy cop and vote canceller, Chelsea confirms she got the proxy results and her vote is cancelled.
The simplest solution is that Mung is lying.

And Colin

can Chelsea be a wolf here?

Why Rask is clear I find weird too and wanna know

If we ignore mech for a minute, and the potential bastardy, who has been wolfiest? I *know* that mungbean visited whoever windward away, Colin, nutella and rask visited. Mungbean being truthful means:
- He should have a chat with Colin (if Colin is being truthful)
- Rask is the vote canceller and probably targetted Colin because 3p or wolf who targetted nutella.
- Nutella redirected to claimed 3p ... which seems unlikely
- Chelsea lying about the cop result they both have confirming Sabi town (who else was involved in this?)

So I think its bordering on impossible for this all to be true unless;eess mafia have mad redirectors and bus drivers or ability to falsify results

@WindwardAway is there a way for truth teller to be your proxy cop result?

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:23 pm And if Mung is telling the truth, then there’s mafia inside Wind/DZ because they’d have to have fabricated the claim of what players/roles they saw

Given the order of posts, DZ posted first and then Wind after, so it is more like Wind who is the liar in that scenario (as if DZ was lying, Wind could easily fact-check based on her info)

So there is unofficially a 50/50 between Mung and DZ/Wind on mechanical grounds

its basically impossible for us to be lying fr.

because:
- we've had confirmations from the players over their roles and visits (other than mung)
- there aren't enough mafia for everyone to be mafia


so if mungs town, in some way, then its a different world.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:24 pm DZ didn’t name the fifth player he saw but with Wind’s info, it would have to be her

If it’s not, then the game suddenly gets a whole lot more interesting

Rask

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:59 pm If I understand it correctly, two separate players ended up having their actions go through on the same player, which respectively provided them with the names of all the players who acted on them (sans roles), and the names of the roles that acted (sans names)

Mung appears on one list, his claimed role does not appear on the other

So if someone can please clarify and correct me if my understanding of those claims is wrong, that would be great. Otherwise, it looks like Mung’s claim doesn’t match up no matter who the Nexus target was on

I have mungbean, rask, nutella, Colin and windward all visiting a player
Windward has a vote canceller, a watcher, a nexus etc. all visiting a player

they are visiting the same player

Chelsea is claiming vote cancelled which aligns with being visited.

Mung claiming visited Colin.

can it al work together? I'd expect more to be happening to Colin

so yh

seems screwed

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:49 pm The only to definitely prove it would be to force a tie vote at EoD and have Chelsea and Colin on opposing wagons. Whichever wagon flips would indicate the one on it as being the one who lost their vote

But that’s a horrible idea and a logistically-unsound nightmare to coordinate effectively when it directly plays against Mafia’s interests

and who cares maybe (?)

there's a liar in mung or Chelsea I think.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:44 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:40 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:39 pm

Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.

This is the second time that I’ve seen someone today post that they couldn’t have been involved in the nexus because they targeted Colin. Are we actually sure that Nutella targeted Chelsea and not Colin?

If Chelsea targets Colin then if all is true Colin can't vote. And Chelsea might be outted.

Think useful for both to drop a vote tbh, in thread, and in poll.

It doesn’t necessarily mean Chelsea is the vote canceller in that world, but also I don’t think the vote canceller prevents them from placing a vote or it showing up in the poll, only from counting as a valid vote at EoD

vote canceller might be an eod thing so we can't prove it?

seems messy

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:39 pm

Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.

This is the second time that I’ve seen someone today post that they couldn’t have been involved in the nexus because they targeted Colin. Are we actually sure that Nutella targeted Chelsea and not Colin?

If Chelsea targets Colin then if all is true Colin can't vote. And Chelsea might be outted.

Think useful for both to drop a vote tbh, in thread, and in poll.

Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.

What did you lie detect? Which post?

Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.

bl;euggrh

Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:15 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:36 am I don't know how people don't get burnt out? I played too many games since may. It's been 6 months.

Brain is fried

I see that I'm leading the vote-count and haven't yet read why but I had to just respond to this quickly. I got SO burned out on mafia that I literally didn't play for 8 years... until now. And I can already remember why it was so mentally taxing.

we been pinging you alot you got the wee little bell thing in top right to check

@other scum can you confirm/deny mung? save us time

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:47 am I'm probably 99% dying tonight so please just respect my dying wish to not kill Le Petit

yah on it

ok im voting mungbean whilst we await

SBPC

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:42 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:39 am yah @Sabiplz I do I kinda struggle to believe mung is wolf who knows I know about him but you had me worried about that logic is what I meant

my English issue

I am going to iso him right now and point out to you the exact post that makes me think he was feigning ignorance.

This was post 3,333. Wonder if we hit 33,333

yah @Sabiplz I do I kinda struggle to believe mung is wolf who knows I know about him but you had me worried about that logic is what I meant

my English issue

sab's has me worried about this though with the rask mech.

also- bus drivers?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:25 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:21 am

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:16 am Was that it? I thought there was more than that at one point. ty tho

yh I just know me n rask did

also- sabi said that Colin counts for mafia parity.

Giulio's role card doesn't specify who does or doesn't count for parity

I'm not willing to vote a near-confirmed (to me) 3p if we have a good chance of getting scum out instead

I'll stop dancing around with the Rask thing in the thread - I trust Sabi and I will not vote out Rask today. I believe the vote canceller is the other name you haven't divulged yet, and I believe they are a wolf who targeted Chelsea directly.

its @Mungbean

@Sabiplz

Mungbean is the other visiter.

Mungbean, are you vote canceller?


why I thought they were fine is because they've acted totally clueless to I know this information in thread, and, I'd imagine wolves would have spoken about it in chat and he'd have gone about the day differently

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:21 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:17 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:08 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:05 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:37 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:03 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:28 pm

continue

I am not in right position to disclose why.

But

I'm lime 70% sure he's town.

@Sabiplz id be keen for you to dislcose why because my mech suggests hes the guy who tried to cancel vote on chelsea/nut

HE'S NOT THAT GUY.

I don't think I can reveal the exact mech why I know this but 1000% sure he's not the vote canceled.

okidoke

your town apparently so I'll trust you on this

do we think the other one is a wolf?

Why would wolves make the vote canceler visit nutella when they were going to kill her?

Yeah this is a point I brought up earlier too
Vote canceller was almost def on Chelsea
Plus kill attempt was almost def on Chelsea N1
Chelsea is super super town
And vote canceller has to be scum then
If it isn't Rask, it's that player DZ refuses to name because he thinks it's Rask -_-

if you snow and sabi want me to say and stop protecting the player I will

Valentine wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:21 am this game feels relatively solved if there this many mechancis tied together

also if we don’t kill colin i want colin to vote for me today so i can give him my alignment

whelp we're in trouble when ppl start saying this

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:16 am Was that it? I thought there was more than that at one point. ty tho

yh I just know me n rask did

also- sabi said that Colin counts for mafia parity.

Giulio's role card doesn't specify who does or doesn't count for parity

me and quas did

Been thinking about it and thinking Im missing something bleeh

I hate team building tbh

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:36 am I don't know how people don't get burnt out? I played too many games since may. It's been 6 months.

Brain is fried

people aaaaaaaaaalllways get burnt out, so many do.

I've been so n walked away

or don't high post I've done that too wheeeee