The Syndicate

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:02 pm sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying

GG maf.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:26 pm Tbh I kinda wish I wasn't because then it'd be like a good little boxing match cause it's been a long ass time since I've been in a f3 that was like, hard but this seems pretty open and shut.

Well, we both think that so maybe it won't be easy but ehhh bias bias.

I want more of this smoothie.

I haven't used it all game? So you're good tbh

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:23 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:22 pm sometimes people like to be difficult.
This is Quas we're talking about

Moose would never

There we go using those words again

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:23 pm Yeah, I don't think this game really needs that much explaining given it is mech conf villager and well, you but if Quas wants to go through the whole stick that he knows I hate to make me suffer a bit longer I'll do it.

"mech conf"

sometimes people like to be difficult.

Like frankly I think there's enough game content here for him to realize exactly what happened, slap his vote on you, and end what's been an entertaining but completely nauseating game experience

Up to Quas tbh

no, i insist, ladies first

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:13 pm We vote in thread no poll.

oooo you self vote and I self vote?

Trust?

yeah, you know, for the drama

though if you wanna selfvote that couldn't hurt

yeah i'm just waiting on the poll

sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... y-Delights
Same shit.

"I'm not smart enough to have done that" You absolutely are, and a big part of early positioning on your slot from me (&Wind, may his memory be a blessing) was that while it was EXTREMELY unlikely for you to flip mafia, nothing from you has been disqualifying.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:22 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:07 pm i’ve arbitrarily decided iawy is probably a wolf because it just feels more like he saw the crumbs or rolecopped or something schia and decided to Steal The Crumbs

maybe in sympathetic rn to the like ... energy i guess schia has even if it’s different than what i previously experienced

like i guess the game makes more sense that way ? idk schia like choosing to willfully copy someone’s results as wolf would be so goofy and they could just like abandon their crumbs

wifom blah blah
If the choice is between solely me and Schia, then that’s one thing. Banking your entire game on me being smart enough to pick up on an invest town breadcrumbing, correctly deduce not only that it is breadcrumbing but that it is explicitly breadcrumbing an invest role - and not only that, but that it is an invest role with an odd-night restriction - and not only THAT, but gambke that the Snow check was “Failure” because of a potential RB situation, not because of seeing them as non-town or seeing them targeting someone who died (as I would in this theory assume Schia is tracker as that’s what I claimed to preemptively CC him)

Well that’s putting too much credit on my shoulders when we’ve already established in both this game and beyond that I am extremely oblivious to ‘obvious’ things and am bad at noticing breadcrumbs. It requires me to be a god-tier wolf who actively bussed all of his teammates either directly or passively, and sussed out 95% of Schia’s laid breadcrumbs and beat him to the punch with a fake claim that contains specific info (being RBed when targeting Snow) that I can’t have obtained without having targeted her myself with an action

Regardless of what you think of us, Quas is mechanically town - either Schia is town and telling the truth, which clears Quas, or Schia mafia, which obviously means that Quas can’t also be mafia with just 1 left. My claim and my alignment don’t matter for the purposes of that since Schia’s directly clears him whereas mine just says he didn’t carry the NK on N1

This is egregious.

In any case when this game is finished I never want to see the word "crumb" again

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:02 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 pm Now I'm just annoyed. Posting from work, don't expect

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la
@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first
Here's the thing: they're not identical, which you and the entire free world save Petit (rip) and newly, Colin, seem fully bent on ignoring. This is our timeline:
I post a track named for absence of speech.
I tag Quas.
I post a track named for failure.
I tag Snow.
Iawy fullclaims ON tracker with visits and results matching my tags.
I fullclaim ON traffic analyst with visits and results matching my own tags, and ask into the existence of disruptive power on the roster.
The only others to join me in that course were Chels, petit, and today Colin.

If you are arguing that my claim is made up, then you are not arguing that I copied Iawys claim after he posted his.
You are arguing that I posted two arbitrary tracks, targeted two arbitrary players, after which Iawy fullclaimed, after which I said "Yeah, let me do this too." You're stopping your inquiry at "Schia posted second" without looking at the actual progression of play around either claim, which - however sloppy you want to say I've been this game (and I have - I'm not out here trying for any awards) - is pisspoor town play, and mirrors the same garbage IBA was slinging when trying to push me with Snow yesterday.

Iawy has not played this game like a town tracker with the results he's claimed. He HAS played this game like a wolf trying to win out a counterclaim.
i don't understand what you're trying to get at here

why can't you just have seen his claim and copied it as a wolf

Because the names and results were hinted before Iawy claimed anything at all. I crumbed with the two songs with the two targets' names, Iawy gives his fullclaim with my same two targets, I give my fullclaim with my two targets.
If you follow the actual timeline of the claims, start to finish, and you're arguing that I somehow peered into the future to copy him with my crumbs.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:29 am i boost IAWY/schia

they check eachother the one w/ extra action checks one of val/chelsea because actually i can't be a wolf from anyones POV unless there's two wolves left at this point

if wolves don't kill in 50/50
--if wolf is IAWY/schia
----outed by 50/50, goes to 50/50 with f4 +colin (hmm not that useful)
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----schia/IAWY cleared, and last wolf is outed 100%

if wolves DO kill in 50/50
--if wolf is in IAWY/schia
----goes to 1/3 but we probably kill the other
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----50/50 that we get to clear val/chelsea and it goes to a 50/50. otherwise its just a 1/3 which is bad because we prolly kill the other and lose

ech if we had one more for parity this would be mech locked but i think @ColinIsCool said that he doesn't count for parity so wcyd

nothing i'm missing right? Seems bad to do it considering we have 2 lunches most of the time at the moment

Spoiler: show

Doing walrus flips, grabbing dinner, then will be back after host.

Now I'm just annoyed. Posting from work, don't expect

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la
@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first

Here's the thing: they're not identical, which you and the entire free world save Petit (rip) and newly, Colin, seem fully bent on ignoring. This is our timeline:
I post a track named for absence of speech.
I tag Quas.
I post a track named for failure.
I tag Snow.
Iawy fullclaims ON tracker with visits and results matching my tags.
I fullclaim ON traffic analyst with visits and results matching my own tags, and ask into the existence of disruptive power on the roster.
The only others to join me in that course were Chels, petit, and today Colin.

If you are arguing that my claim is made up, then you are not arguing that I copied Iawys claim after he posted his.
You are arguing that I posted two arbitrary tracks, targeted two arbitrary players, after which Iawy fullclaimed, after which I said "Yeah, let me do this too." You're stopping your inquiry at "Schia posted second" without looking at the actual progression of play around either claim, which - however sloppy you want to say I've been this game (and I have - I'm not out here trying for any awards) - is pisspoor town play, and mirrors the same garbage IBA was slinging when trying to push me with Snow yesterday.

Iawy has not played this game like a town tracker with the results he's claimed. He HAS played this game like a wolf trying to win out a counterclaim.

Meanwhile, all IBA can offer on the matter is "schia's claim sus!" (it's important that you hear this in the voice of Angelica Pickles)

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:16 pm which gives me time to say
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:46 am
Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:40 am lol

the schia claim wrt snow coming after the first one is ... something
crumbed before claim
viewtopic.php?p=972541#p972541
viewtopic.php?p=972132#p972132
viewtopic.php?p=972134#p972134

which isn't clearing (at all lol), but the takeaway here should be that between the three of us, something's going unaccounted for.... not 'schia posted second though !_!'
again

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet
Well don't be shy
yeeeeeeeeee

Odd-Night tracker, I tracked Quas N1 and he visited nobody (hence why I asked him early D3 if he acted on N1/N2, verifies the Motivator/"I have a day role" claim and even if he does turn out to be mafia he at least wasn't the one who carried the NK that night)

Last night I tried to track Snow, because she seemed to me to be the most likely to carry the NK if she was mafia of everybody in the PoE, and my action failed. So I'm assuming that I either got roleblocked or Snow has an untrackable modifier of some sort on her that she hasn't disclosed
that my crumbing preceded Iawy's claim.

if you have doubts around the circumstances of either claim, they should extend beyond "lol obv fakeclaim"

and you know how i love that topic!

Chels was willing to dig into it, which I think is another big point in her favor
Snow actively avoided it, got caught lacking
When I asked Val for thoughts on the insp. triangle between me/iawy/snow, she landed back on the same Schia/Quas coinflip Snow had been sponging (although at that point we hadn't had a flip to account for failed town investigative power, so it's more reasonable position to have taken yday) after going off about how Iawy was by all appearances unpartnered

which is where I'd been leaning for most of the game - but when i spoke up about that Iawy jumped in on a hair trigger to slash away at the same wolf!Iawy argument that nobody was actually making yet

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:55 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:44 pm literally who is trying to pair Iawy with Guillo and Mung, holy
I don't post in the thread for just a couple hours and we're

again

back on the "let's paranoidly-tinfoil Iawy as deepwolf mafia who's actively hellbussing his allies"

because that makes infinitely more sense than my attitude and actions in this game. Don't take my word for it, look at my actual actions and tell me if you think mafia plays like this. I'll gladly throw out my recent scum games on MU and you can tell me if I specifically play like this as mafia

Now, anticipating the inevitable response, anybody who continues to tinfoil me today inside the PoE is doing their job of solving / has to because they're mafia and need to bury me. Anybody who does it outside the PoE is just not actually reading me

no concern over why his track failed, no concern over what scumthreat we're actually dealing that or trying to solve into the kink - just some flare-ups over him not being aligned with Guill & Mung, as if that were the only thing at issue. I spent the next posts viewtopic.php?t=2442&start=4300#p975560 working to steer things back, for Petit the Goat to be the only person to meet me there (easily in a top 10 anime enemies to lovers arc)

like one of the biggest things yesterday is how many mechanical kinks were up in the air that folks just refused to get into, and how little folks were willing to get into why their POEs looked the way they did. You had people just falling back into consensus and trying to talk around why folks were or weren't clear without taking level steps to resolve certain major question marks - like val said, that whole backhalf of the phase just looked like maf & 3p walking on eggshells, trying to make things go one way or the other without outing themselves

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:21 am
LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:21 am i think chelsea is pretty likely town and the n1 shot is a good look (lmao if its the singular SK shot wcyd if so)

came into today leaning schia (would never have shot IBA in the night and her every time) for reasons i mostly listed yesterday
open to rethinking though if theres a real case not just weh-ing

we should be talking everything through anyway - or should've been at least

Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:50 am today was a mess and a half an dmy brain is frazzled i don't think there's room for chelsea to be not mech-clear here from what i understood but i think that's something to not dwell on right now i do not have the brain power

admitting i have confbias but schia's tone here is so wildly different than another game we played, understand circumstances change, etc, etc, will read back over isos more tmrw wrt quas more but i still lean towards voting schia if whatever weird things with the 3p are reconciled

"oh my gosh, his tone is different"

Culinary Delights Redux let's fucking go

You can't believe that Val+Chels are mech clear & that there's 1 maf in me or Quas.

My being town is incompatible with Quas being maf.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:35 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm gRoSsLy MiScHaRaCtErIzInG mY pLaY
Now who's having a hissy fit

no, i'm laughing

Anyway!

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:30 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:28 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:46 pm Anyway I thought Iawy made your claim look bogus because you just copied their targets and your role sounds completely made up but but idk if Iawy doesn’t feel that way I have to reevaluate
To me, this is basically F3+ Deluxe. We have 3 in the PoE, including myself, so it's effectively a F3 situation for me, we just have 2 conftown and a 3P as spectators to us solving our own crap

So it's not that I do or don't believe Schia's claim, it's that it's a 50/50 so I reevaluate both of them regardless of how strongly I think either are or aren't town
Who are your conftown?

this question goes hard

gRoSsLy MiScHaRaCtErIzInG mY pLaY

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:18 pm Fuck it, Schia, you and me just became best friends.

It's also like, not at all difficult for w!Iawy to see "oh hey here are two weird posts from Schia that pretty obviously point toward some kind of night actions, let me just jump on that and put a damper on any claimed mech from their slot" - maf tracker is pretty easy to BS, and Creature was pretty eager to use the roleclaim as a crutch D1, talking about self-resolving, etc. etc. before Guillotine started running what I can assume was damage control

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:29 am I can compromise in a wagon of any of these people

Petit, Manny, Valentine, Chelsea and Deezee (Deezee being my weakest scum read).

Creature has not moved my needle significantly to either side, i find it weird that he soft a self confirmable role with only the pressure of 4 people but i dont have the balls to kill someone who might be an inno child or desperado so i will not go there today.
If he is chopped today and flips scum the four people that were voting him at the time he hurry-softed his role look good, because they contributed to the pressure that lead to that claim which in most cases i associate with scum freaking the hell out when seen their wagon is getting stagnant and the wagon is held steady by people's pressure he considers the strongest.

If he gets chopped today and flips scum i get no credit though.

can see like, Dopp!Iawy -> hit Creature -> become maf, hellbus, and become Schia's spiritual doppelganger

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:06 pm i guess what's like, actually annoying with Iawy atm is that I think the way they've played is consistent with Doppelganger laying low D1, hitting maf, then coming in hard next phase with the hellbus to maintain natural distance from having been unaligned for the first day

i also think it accounts for a lot of the flinching and hissy fits over people arguing for w!Iawy when that hasn't actually happened yet

like, this is actually the first post where I've seriously given voice to what Inawolf looks like, but you can go back through the last few pages and see how many times Iawy's jumped at a push that wasn't even taking place

i guess what's like, actually annoying with Iawy atm is that I think the way they've played is consistent with Doppelganger laying low D1, hitting maf, then coming in hard next phase with the hellbus to maintain natural distance from having been unaligned for the first day

i also think it accounts for a lot of the flinching and hissy fits over people arguing for w!Iawy when that hasn't actually happened yet

the other thing is that BP wolf makes sense with other killing scum

frfr the thing I actually was wondering about from you (the permatrack) is something you like, just answered w/o my asking

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:58 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:57 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:50 pm @Valentine @LordQuas anything keeping Chels from being maf?
Nope not a thing :^)
>:( i was asking quas and val
But I gave you the right answer now push me! (B

I'm sorry, your name isn't Quas or Val, I can't hear you.............

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:53 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:47 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:44 pm If you don’t think I’m mafia, and you think there are mafia, and you want to kill me before killing anybody who might be mafia, then you’re either playing bad or playing badly
Okay, nice chat.
Sorry if that was rude, I don’t want to be that person, but you seem scummy and I can’t think of any reason I would townread you so I think it’s the former

I apologize for your failure of imagination

miss you petit

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:50 pm @Valentine @LordQuas anything keeping Chels from being maf?
Nope not a thing :^)

>:( i was asking quas and val

like, I just randomly posted those two tracks and pinged those two individuals? okay!

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:46 pm Anyway I thought Iawy made your claim look bogus because you just copied their targets and your role sounds completely made up but but idk if Iawy doesn’t feel that way I have to reevaluate

I softed targets and outcome before Iawy claimed; if we're going to keep coming back to this then, like I've said, I need a more fleshed out line of thought from you than "Schia fullclaimed second"

@Valentine @LordQuas anything keeping Chels from being maf?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:44 pm If you don’t think I’m mafia, and you think there are mafia, and you want to kill me before killing anybody who might be mafia, then you’re either playing bad or playing badly

Okay, nice chat.

I don't think that's something you've ever outright said.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:43 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:39 pm So much whining
Sorry, I forgot the name of the game we’re playing is “Third Party Independent” on a site called “Third Party Independent The Syndicate” where the goal is to remove all the Third Party Independents from the game. You got me there

Can you win with town?

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