The Syndicate

Creature and nutella are probably two towns I would not change my mind on unless there's very strong evidence otherwise
probably won't be actively re-evaluating them

as for voting, I see Alison already has 5 votes
it feels a little boring so I'll spice it up a little and vote Dyslexicon (aubergine)

I actually kind of had fun backreading
a few posts amused me probably more than they should have

I would love to go back and quote them all and leave unnecessary commentary under each one but that'll take too long
(I've noted their post numbers though so I can go back and do it later if I feel like it)

I'm not fully caught up yet but here's kind of where I am:

(TR)
Creature
nutella
Cape90
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

(TL)
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
WindwardAway
Sabiplz

(POE)
Dyslexicon
Alison
DarlingMonroe

towns are kind of ordered
POE is not

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:23 pm Anyway it's hard to engage with a day where almost nothing is happening

This is why I mostly post SOD and EOD

it's also Wednesday

and the reality is I'd rather do something that doesn't actually require thinking at this point in time

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:33 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:30 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:29 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm 1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to
So, if I wasn't at the bottom of your readlist, but then again, no one was... who were you scumreading?
Also, Lime Coke never made it into your readlist despite rather notably zeroposting and then fluffing?
Disregard that last part
you did comment on his zeroposting, I'm just blind lmao
But @Lemonfairy my main concern is, you mentioned multiple times that certain names trended downward in your reads and that others were scummy but someone was still scummier. You never specified who was actually at the bottom. Why make vague comparisons on scumminess if you're not going to rank your readlist?

yeah, people drop down over time if they stop being towny
that's just how it works (although it's a little difficult to keep track of)

I'm not sure why I need to order the list
even in my mind, a lot of people are roughly on the same level and there will be small fluctuations between lists that I don't really care to show
I'll make an ordered list if I feel like it would be helpful later but I don't really think it's helpful for me right now

the POE method also makes it hard for me to pinpoint who I think is the scummiest
as to why I make comparisons, it helps me organize

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:29 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:15 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:50 pm WindwardAway
I am consistently at the bottom of your readlist and yet you haven't engaged with me on game-related stuff. Why is that?
1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to
So, if I wasn't at the bottom of your readlist, but then again, no one was... who were you scumreading?
Also, Lime Coke never made it into your readlist despite rather notably zeroposting and then fluffing?

you can consider the "everyone else" section as my scumreads/POE
yes, I'm doing the POE thing

Lime never made it into my townreads because they were a 0-poster
that's why they were in the other group

tbf I also made the list before I saw any of Lime's posts so the "fluffing" part wasn't taken into account

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:24 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:24 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm RondoDimBuckle - Also explained Rondo before. But to recap, it was because of their uncooperative attitude. Probably a bit too weak a reason at this point.

Do you have any comment on Rondo's death?

(EBWOP, I accidentally put that into the quotation lol)
not really, other than that it was a bit unexpected
I don't think they were widely townread
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:26 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pmMichelle - I moved Michelle up because we mind melded on sig and I liked their post on Guillo, which was also how I got around to a townread on them despite being blinded by OMGUS for a bit.
same question regarding Michelle
Michelle, I'm not surprised got NK'd
they were really towning it up towards the latter half of the day

I think Rondo was probably vigged
most people have probably already thought of that before me though

lmao it's all just from Windward

lemon is back
brb going to respond to pings first

feel free to direct queries at me in the meanwhile

kinda hate explaining myself because I suck at it
and also it was a bad idea to choose cyan blue lmao

didn't end up getting a chance to come back after all :c
replying to these while I still have the chance

haven't fully caught up yet
I'm debating between giving up reading and speed skimming

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:12 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:50 pm I'm probably around here atm:

town
Cape90 - I've seen town Cape before and this feels similar. My memory is a bit rusty but nothing they've posted has pinged me and I find myself agreeing a fair number of their posts.
Creature - Creature's predecessor was Guillo. I found Guillo towny from how they were shifting around and constantly re-evaluating. While their initial reads felt forced (which I generally find scummy), I know it's something that can happen to town too if they want to get the game started right away. But for town, this kind of prodding becomes natural later on and that's what I feel happened.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I explained in another post before but uncaring attitude/words but still dropping reads despite the attitude.
RondoDimBuckle - Also explained Rondo before. But to recap, it was because of their uncooperative attitude. Probably a bit too weak a reason at this point.
nutella - nutella's TR was carried over from the main thread and the main reason was because I liked their vibe. nutella pairing me and Cape was cool too. It showed that they're keeping an eye out for these things and IMO synergy is hard to spot if you're not paying enough attention.
Michelle - I moved Michelle up because we mind melded on sig and I liked their post on Guillo, which was also how I got around to a townread on them despite being blinded by OMGUS for a bit.

everyone else
Dyslexicon - Explained before. Initial posts I really liked. Not sure why but probably because they were direct (like an arrow) and I agreed. Then it felt like they were kind of stuck on the same reads so I dropped them.
Master Radishes - Again, with time, they dropped because I wasn't seeing more towny posts. It comes with the lowest threshhold rising as time goes by. But another thing with Radishes was there just weren't that many posts I could TR at that point so compared to the rest of my TRs, I could only drop them.
Alison - Same thing with Alison. They were climbing up at one point but dropped because I hadn't seen them for a while. Meanwhile, other people were being townier.
DrWilgy - Probably same reason as Radishes.
Lime Coke - They were a 0-poster.
DarlingMonroe - Couldn't remember their posts.
Sabiplz - Don't remember much of our past game together. Tonally, I think they could go either way. Read-wise, we're not really vibing.
WindwardAway - Same thing as Alison. Except they never got into the TRs. They were close at one point though.
Can you post a sentence for each player to explain their place in your reads?

explanations in blue
#322 also has some changes, which I needed to refer to to answer this (because I forgot)
#479 has some stuff too

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:15 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:50 pm WindwardAway
I am consistently at the bottom of your readlist and yet you haven't engaged with me on game-related stuff. Why is that?

1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to

popping in quickly to say I'm going to be busy and might not have time to come back before EOD but I'll try to

(placeholder vote on lime)

this is ok
I like it better than my last one

forget leans
I don't need leans

I'm probably around here atm:

town
Cape90
Creature
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle
nutella
Michelle

everyone else
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes
Alison
DrWilgy
Lime Coke
DarlingMonroe
Sabiplz
WindwardAway

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:52 pm I checked my Iso and it wasn't Cape with the lock town N0 for Lemon, it was Sig
@Guillotine
Cape just explained today his TR on Lemon with that post in today's P#390

also before I forget

I saw this and have to say I agree
sig's response to my initial TR of them gave me the heebie-jeebies

but they're not here rn

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:29 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:21 pm but that being said, I don't condone this kind of attitude despite townreading it
IMO we'd find scum faster if everyone tried to actively cooperate

but I also get people have different personalities and playstyles and I can't do much about it anyway
what would that look like to you in a perfect world?

there's no such thing as a perfect world but I've definitely been in games where town was generally very cooperative and iirc we did end up winning

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:24 pm ATM I am at Cape/Guillo/Michelle

just said all that but I'm not vibing with this much lol

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:13 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:29 pm nutella bringing up a me/Cape world was kinda spicy and I liked it
Spicy how?

it was just something new and fresh and hadn't been brought up before

and the bar of "you can go in townlean" is obviously going to get higher as the game progresses

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:21 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:18 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:06 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:49 pm like I'm just out here vibing
it's sad to admit, but probably no one is actually taking my reads into account

part of it is my explanations are kind of shoddy but that doesn't make it less sad
You going to respond to my question?
oh right
sorry, I was going to but I forgot and went to do something else

I also forgot why I moved you up and had to ISO you again but gist of it was you were dead set on going against Guillo when they were widely townread at one point and vocal (they were always vocal)

also your uncooperative response to Cape "you obviously can't read" when they thought Space Daisy's reads were your own
it could have easily been explained away and I think scum would not proceed with a consistently "idc, screw you" attitude
I am sure someone else here will warn you against it. You're right I am town, but that is fakeable by me.

well ig thanks for letting me know

my read on you will change later depending on how much I vibe with your reads so I feel ok leaving you where you are for now

but that being said, I don't condone this kind of attitude despite townreading it
IMO we'd find scum faster if everyone tried to actively cooperate

but I also get people have different personalities and playstyles and I can't do much about it anyway

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:06 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:49 pm like I'm just out here vibing
it's sad to admit, but probably no one is actually taking my reads into account

part of it is my explanations are kind of shoddy but that doesn't make it less sad
You going to respond to my question?

oh right
sorry, I was going to but I forgot and went to do something else

I also forgot why I moved you up and had to ISO you again but gist of it was you were dead set on going against Guillo when they were widely townread at one point and vocal (they were always vocal)

also your uncooperative response to Cape "you obviously can't read" when they thought Space Daisy's reads were your own
it could have easily been explained away and I think scum would not proceed with a consistently "idc, screw you" attitude

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:44 pm Also maybe Nut brought it today and made me remember it, but i know I questioned people TRing you for it

eh fair enough ig
it did ping me + I didn't really vibe with your latest reads

if this is true, it's not as concerning as I initially perceived it to be

like I'm just out here vibing
it's sad to admit, but probably no one is actually taking my reads into account

part of it is my explanations are kind of shoddy but that doesn't make it less sad

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:38 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:29 pm kinda skimmed but mostly caught up
nutella bringing up a me/Cape world was kinda spicy and I liked it

Michelle continuing to harp on my vibereads post in the OG thread after nutella brought it up felt bad though
like, I've made other reads
they're kinda of still at the iffy stage right now but why don't you care about what my reads currently are but instead drag attention to my first reads?

dyslexicon also dropping for me :c
saw latest townreads and I was like "we're still on those?"

Guillo is still good idk why they're getting voted

Cape also feels fine
I might look there again to double-check later though
I didn't care that much about yours today reads. What I wanted to talk about was Cape's reaction at your N0 post. If it's not w/w is pockety because idk how else to see it. I am talking about my logical conclusions.
I will check your Iso in the morning, and see if your reads are changing my read on you or not

so... you don't care about my reads but you're scumreading me because of the reads I posted?

Cape's townread didn't feel pockety to me
FMPOV they were just... outing a read
like if someone were trying to pocket me, I'd expect them to townread me but also make some sort of effort to interact with me in some capacity

because how can they be sure I've even read their posts?
my thread presence is also low enough for it to just not make much sense to expend the effort to stuff me in a pocket

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:43 pm The lemon bit is weaker, I just know she's a good wolf and they fit together on a vibe level

1) thank you for saying that
2) yeah, Cape and I are probably just vibing too much

kinda skimmed but mostly caught up
nutella bringing up a me/Cape world was kinda spicy and I liked it

Michelle continuing to harp on my vibereads post in the OG thread after nutella brought it up felt bad though
like, I've made other reads
they're kinda of still at the iffy stage right now but why don't you care about what my reads currently are but instead drag attention to my first reads?

dyslexicon also dropping for me :c
saw latest townreads and I was like "we're still on those?"

Guillo is still good idk why they're getting voted

Cape also feels fine
I might look there again to double-check later though

if I had a blind spot in towns, it's probably nutella
in the everyone else pile, the most likely person I'm wrong on would probably be... *squint* hard to say... Dr Wilgy?

second-doubting myself a little immediately after posting

town?
Cape90
Dyslexicon
Guillotine
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

town lean?
RondoDimBuckle
nutella
Master Radishes
Alison
Michelle

everyone else
DrWilgy
Lime Coke
DarlingMonroe
Sabiplz
WindwardAway

was ISO-ing because I realized I was ignoring a bunch of people who have enough for me to get a read on
moved Alison up
Wind stays where they were (passive everyone else to active)
Wilgy naturally dropped
I followed my heart and moved Radishes up
Dyslexicon is fine where they were
Sabi probs also stays where they were (passive everyone else to active)
I want to move Michelle up... maybe I will (I did)

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:18 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:03 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:06 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:51 pm dizzy usually has playstyle differences from me but it's rare for us to not see eye to eye on thought processes to the point where he's willing to say that everything I'm saying is BS, and we can usually find some common ground

I think he is mafia
I mean, I haven't read most any of your posts

But I don't get your deal with either Sabi or wwa

Without really knowing much about it

And also not having an actual read on either of them

And I just wanted to sling mud at you anyway
Dizzy might be TWTBAW
idk about TWTBAW but they're not wolfy at least
was saying that because of the admission of them saying they haven't read any of Alison's posts, I was kinda wolfreading Dizzy's comment from before on Alison

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:48 pm Alison, you're kind of being full of bs as far as I can see, if I am to be all the way honest

it says "most any"
guess I read the most and you read the any

I think most makes more sense here because if they didn't read any of Alison's posts, how did they know Alison was focused in on Sabi and Windward?

nope, never mind
idk why I thought that

I have an unexplainable urge to throw radishes into town lean for no reason

town?
Cape90
Dyslexicon
Guillotine
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

town lean?
RondoDimBuckle
DrWilgy
nutella

everyone else
Lime Coke
Master Radishes
DarlingMonroe
Michelle
Sabiplz
WindwardAway
Alison

kind of think Rondo is fine for now

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:06 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:51 pm dizzy usually has playstyle differences from me but it's rare for us to not see eye to eye on thought processes to the point where he's willing to say that everything I'm saying is BS, and we can usually find some common ground

I think he is mafia
I mean, I haven't read most any of your posts

But I don't get your deal with either Sabi or wwa

Without really knowing much about it

And also not having an actual read on either of them

And I just wanted to sling mud at you anyway
Dizzy might be TWTBAW

idk about TWTBAW but they're not wolfy at least

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:03 pm Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico
So Rondo, you went out of your way to respond for me and vote Guillo despite you townreading Guillo previously?

think that was just Rondo summarizing Space Daisy's reads

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:44 pm [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine

@Cape90 how do you figure there is a west facility?

I only see this thread.

#4
^read this post

you could have used something more legit-sounding like "oh I have irl matters to attend to" (which would've been NAI btw because that's valid too)
just the idc attitude + not actually dipping off ig

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:44 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:11 pm I'm playing pathfinder tonight but I'll be vaguely around tomorrow
oh wait maybe nanook can be town
...for playing pathfinder??

yeah, kind of

you kind of just said "yo I won't be here"
then dropped a read

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:37 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:16 pm idk I tried (don't be too hard on lemon because most of the people I had reads on ended up in the other thread)

town?
Cape90
Dyslexicon
Guillotine

DrWilgy
nutella

everyone else
Lime Coke
Master Radishes
DarlingMonroe
Michelle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle
Sabiplz
WindwardAway
Alison
How are Sabi, Winward and Alison at the bottom of your PoE?

it's unordered
if you're wondering why they're ordered that way despite being unordered (as opposed to in the order of the player list), it's because it was carried over from my thread vibereads list

I've reached my quota for social interaction today so bye

(jk I'll be back later... maybe)

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:24 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:01 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:16 pm I will say that no claiming/infodumping rules are a sign of a poorly designed setup, give mafia a soup if you really can't make a balanced game, but whatever
Agreed.

What is the fucking point of limiting us this way?
I would say its to return to the rhetoric/diplomacy of actual persuasive arguments instead of just calling to your power to win. Its wolf sided when town have more powers. I personally enjoy it as its what I used to play with.
Then make it a 30 player mountainous game ffs.

that sounds like fun

but tbf I also didn't really vibe with Cape's townlist and I'm townreading them

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:13 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:09 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:07 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:59 pm And Sabi since you seem to think that ALL of my scumhunting is BS I'm looking forward to your town case on Abi, Caitlin, Windward and/or Dizzy.
I don't tr Caitlin or Abi.

I'm null on dizzy.

I think wwa is unlike her wolf games I have read before.
ok, so I put forward 5 names as scum, you think two are town, one is null, and the others could easily be scum?

how is that different from my typical town game in any way? every single time we're both town I tunnel someone early on for reasons you think are shit... sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not, but it beggars belief to think that you would find this a huge swing in behavior.
Are you bad at reading? I only tr one and either sl or null read the other four...
alison's scum list:
caitlin
abi
sabi
wwa
dizzy

dizzy is "null". you "don't townread" abi or caitlin.

presumably you townread yourself. wwa is "unlike her wolf games" which I take to be a townread.

that's what I meant by two townreads, you and WWA.

but my point is more broadly that why the fuck are you acting like I just published the worst reads list on planet earth when I posted 5 names I suspect early on in the game and you think 3/5 of them could easily be in the POE?

idk what's happening here but I'm just not totally vibing with this list
usually we vibe more :c

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:11 pm I'm playing pathfinder tonight but I'll be vaguely around tomorrow

oh wait maybe nanook can be town

idk I tried (don't be too hard on lemon because most of the people I had reads on ended up in the other thread)

town?
Cape90
Dyslexicon
Guillotine

DrWilgy
nutella

everyone else
Lime Coke
Master Radishes
DarlingMonroe
Michelle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle
Sabiplz
WindwardAway
Alison

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:03 pm Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

vibes at around 50%

lmao what am I saying

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