The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:05 pm ….you forgot he existed? After targeting him? I feel like he would be your throughline after seeing him target Seanzie

does it make more sense if i tell u it was posted at like 5 am or so after just waking up?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:03 pm Because if he doesn’t have a lot of heat of going over, this is pretty unlikely as wolf behavior imo. If he had heat, I can see this as a play to buy time.

Mac had voted me and Chels had said she might consider voting me EoD, + some other random scumreads.
I put the odds of me dying WITHOUT claiming at like 20-30%? assuming i didnt come back for EoD which i prolly would've as wolf.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:01 pm At least we know Manny isn't 3P because wtf would the serial killer claim made up targets for Falcon and why would the protag claim town watcher and increase the chance of being blocked or nightkilled?

This will make it all the more sweeter when i win as an arsonist in couple days :hmmyes:

If you dont have a townread on LanMisa at this stage of this game there's no helping u.
He's the towniest mf in the thread.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:56 pm The downside of this is the world of 3P Falcon which means i would still be alive tomorrow and worse off i think it'd be lylo and i would need to properly thunderdome mac zzz.

But if i actually get Mac killed today and im wrong it means i live in the chelsea!w world and im prolly fucked tomorrow.
how do i shoot myself out of this game

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:56 pm The wolves killed Seanzie. Ergo I am right and you are wrong.

The wolves killed Seanzie on n2, not n1 lol.
He was a lot more townread d2 and with a lot less votes on him

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:55 pm but actually if i kill falcon and he flips wolf i have higher chances of getting shot and then solving mac is not my problem hmmm

The downside of this is the world of 3P Falcon which means i would still be alive tomorrow and worse off i think it'd be lylo and i would need to properly thunderdome mac zzz.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:53 pm Realistically i should switch my vote to Falcon cuz i think him!w is more likely than mac!w even though i still think both are wolves, but that would require unvoting mac and i dont wanna

but actually if i kill falcon and he flips wolf i have higher chances of getting shot and then solving mac is not my problem hmmm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:53 pm But seriously. I went through all the votes for Seanzie. There was nothing there and the Seanzie wagon fell apart as I asked people wtf they were doing. Iirc, the only votes that remained on Seanzie eod1 were from people who just didn't come back to the thread. *checks* Yep. Falcon, Epi, Mac. Hardly an actual counterwagon.

The votes existed, therefore as a wolf i would consider the votes existing on laters day again and it would make me want to not kill Seanzie there.
I also have no clue about how good of a player he is, pretty sure this is the first time i play with them.

Realistically i should switch my vote to Falcon cuz i think him!w is more likely than mac!w even though i still think both are wolves, but that would require unvoting mac and i dont wanna

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:47 pm If we yeet falcon, and he's bad, then it looks good for Manny being Town. The possibility still exists that Manny is Caesar's Legion, and is throwing falcon under the bus for very good cred. Falcon's current absence would support the hypothesis that he said something like "bus me guys, I don't have time for this game" or something. Then, Manny would seem to be on a clock, as a 'Confirmed Town', and we'd get more suspicious as the game went on. That plan can work, and might have looked like the better option to Manny, who was concerned for his life on that Day. "Wolves aren't killing me because I'm vanilla now and they want you to yeet me."

Bussing by claiming PR makes no sense to endgame because i'd be heavily scumread for not dying when and if Falcon flips wolf, and bussing like that even makes more sense when u take into account i... wasnt trying to buss him i thougth him being PR made him town yday due to targetting seanzie lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:47 pm Like, if I was the doctor, I'd have probably targeted Seanzie.

Sorry i dont see it at all lol, i'd never doc the cw d1 specially with the actual yeet d1 being a town PR.
If i had to guess i'd prolly try doc'ing either Mich or Lan cuz they were the two people with the most tr's in thread i think

On the brightside atleast i can count on Lan reading me correctly

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:40 pm Yeah, it made sense. Idk if I bought it but it made sense....until Manny came out with a scumread on Falcon with zero posts from Falcon between "I'm tracking this player because I think they're an outted town PR" to "75% chance Falcon is a wolf in any possible world."

I watched it overnight because i thougth there were chances of him being a town PR, i stopped thinking that when i saw that both him and me survived the night.
Him not being in my A) and B) team is just cuz i forgot temporarily he existed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:02 pm Do wolves even have possible anticlaim in this setup? My anti Manny argument is like "If Manny is the town watcher and Seanzie is probably town (and fmpov, he was), why would you watch Manny and possibly out the doc role? He's not worried about outting Falcon if Falcon is the doc. He's worried about looking town so he throws out a way to mechanically confirm he has an ability.

why would i ever think the town DOCTOR would be visiting the COUNTERWAGON for the day 1 yeet?.
I was uncertain if shielding Falcon was the right play yday or not which is why i ended up just claiming considering both me and him were pretty poe'd, might aswell force it to resolve.
But i didnt expect my claim to get me more scumread and therefore making me unable to resolve

That sounds reasonable from your POV.
im kinda curious as to what falcon's gonna claim

then again its also kinda lolcatty cuz realizing that d1/d2 were town pr miss-exes and ur first instinct being to vote out a third town pr is

behaviour.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:58 am I didn't even know the PRs were the yeets I just read the "civilian" part and thought it was just vanilla.

blinks, idk if this is outting or clearing, kinda wanna say the latter? but lmfao on u not realizing that the exes were PR's.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:56 am [VOTE: MANNY] aubergine

how does that post make u vote me what

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:57 am Even though I've scumread you when you were town before. Multiple times. So much so you mock me for suspecting you in every game, in nearly every game?

You are wasting your time and more importantly your posts, if u are town re-eval me and go kill an actual wolf or dont but you are not gonna get me to unvote you today lol.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:44 am A) Brad + Chels + Dunnstral or Jack
or B) Mac + TSP + LongCon

actually this is wrong cuz i think regardless of A) or B) Falcon is 75% likely a wolf hmmm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:45 am Might've forgot... might've not known because I don't even know what he claimed exactly.

he hasnt claimed nothing i saw him visit seanzie n1 thats why i know he's a pr.

wolfteam is prolly either
A) Brad + Chels + Dunnstral or Jack
or B) Mac + TSP + LongCon

from just my mind vibes rn

im tr'ing everyone thats not on either team and i think B) is a lot more likely than A)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:37 am And yet me scumreading you made 0 sense?

you have seen both my wolfgame and towngame, im scummier as town i only play into level 0 wolfy things as town, its you specifically that i got a problem with sr'ing me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:34 am How does this track? Do you consider me a player incapable of re-evaluation?

I think you are quite capable of re-evaluating me if you are V here.
Im not though, im pretty much locked on you being a wolf.
On the brightside in the world in which im wrong you are prolly right on chelsea/brad being a team

I spent half of the day acting scummy trying to play around my TMI irt to Falcon being PR without actually being exe'd when as a wolf i dont need to i can just either bury Falcon normally if he is Town PR or... buss him like i would do 9 out of 10 times if we are w/w.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:32 am So you claimed expecting me to just instantly townread the claim in a game where mafia have fake claims and specifically a role that has the same action? It is illogical for me to view it plausible that you're mafia ergo I'm outed, despite you having confirmation that at least one confirmed town viewed it the same.

i didnt even notice wolves had a copy of my role as a mandatory thing before claiming lmao. Im not saying the claim itself is lock!town but the timing/reasoning for it is, wolf me has no reason whatsoever to claim when i did.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:32 am .... why Falcon?

because i knew he was PR and poentially town?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:30 am Manny what'd you do for Night 2?

check who visits falcon, got no result so i assume i was rb'd.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:28 am That's not true I've been voted plenty by multiple living slots including you, Lime Coke, Creature and Lanmisa. Chelsea has been sus of me too. I have much better kills to make here for my survival than Michelle, Abigail and Seanzie. They are nonsense kills for a Mac wolf team to make.

If u were the only person in ur wolfteam sure, but i wouldnt be surprised if u were the member of ur team in the least amount of danger.
All of the people that have voted u have been pretty far away from eod and all have bigger priorities than getting u killed me aside.
and there's no point in killing me when i can just get missyeeted

anyways im not changing neither my mind nor my vote, this game's lost if u are town and mb for it.
gg's if u are wolf cuz im also prolly not winning the thunderdome but it is what it is

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:25 am It does make sense for someone who does not know your alignment Manny. Think a bit beyond level 1 when analysing yourself.

The odds of me being actually dying yday without the claim were prolly around 20-30% and i knew as much when i claimed, i only bothered cuz i wanted to force mafia to self-resolve me.
Didnt expect people to actually scumread the claim making self-resolving impossible zzzz

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:24 am Also please explain knowing my meta as well as you do why I kill three players townreading me when I lead every wolf team mechanically in every game.

No one is even scumreading u, who cares about killing people tr'ing u when u arent on danger lol.

For me to be a wolf here you must think im the most incompetent wolf to have ever existed and i doubt thats accurate, add that with the fact that u are alive on d3 with no pelts and there is no shot in hell u are not a wolf here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:23 am Why am I an outed wolf? Use actual arguments please not omgus and halfway rule.

Your reasoning for me being a wolf made 0 sense before i claimed and makes -1 sense after i claimed.
I have no reason whatsoever to claim as wolf when i did because it only got me more scumread than i was before lol

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Figure i prolly lose this thunderdome but i dunno if game is over with my miss-yeet or not.

Mac is an outted wolf, Falcon is prolly one too by virtue of not having died although less confident on that.
Dont got a result for n2 figure i was roleblocked.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

last vote of the day for me, im off the thread till next day if i even survive the night which i kinda doubt.

I hate the fact that Mac is postcapped cuz i kinda wanna omgus him to death now and i dunno how much is it because he might be a wolf and how much is it because im annoyed at him being unable to find me!v here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:02 pm Why choose to watch me?

u were the cw, i figured town roles would be likely to act on u to check [informative ones] or the rb'er.

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:01 pm Falcon visited you which is why i've been townreading him lol, dont see any point for wolves to act on u.

if im right on the read this just outs another town pr but

not like i can deny claiming without making it more likely to be yeeted, kinda wish i had gotten nothing of my role ngl

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:00 pm What'd you do last night?

Falcon visited you which is why i've been townreading him lol, dont see any point for wolves to act on u.

My leacy is prolly smth along the lines of dont kill creature/jack [rescind this in worlds of w!chels]/lan/mac [maybe rescind this if there isnt a wolf in scotty/chelsea]/brad

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:52 pm I wonder what are the odds i get wagoned at eod considering i prolly wont be up for it.

Hardclaim Town Enclave Remnants [aka Town PR].

Im prolly consensus scumread enough that makes forcing wolves to self-resolve my ass at night worth it + i think its somewhat likely i might actually die today without claiming cuz Mac is still stuck on me!wolf apparently

I wonder what are the odds i get wagoned at eod considering i prolly wont be up for it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:05 pm Is Scotty/Manny/Creature viable?

lol, id never shield both of my partners as wolf ever.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:53 pm The entirety of Creature’s D2. The easiest of extra points.

maybe i should actually have reasons to doubt my read but i kinda dont want to this game is alr annoying enough in my brain without considering worlds of w!Creature.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:51 pm Tell me about Creature's position, and my position.

I think Creature is out of wolfrange, not much more to it than that, i could be being fooled but i see no reason to doubt my read on him rn.
I think your post scumreading me is pretty townie and in general ur replies to Brad feel fine.
And i stopped thinking u and brad were a diffcheck the second i realized brad didnt actually think u were a wolf and just wanted to kill u for being annoying, im now leaning v/v.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:44 pm lol which side is townreads?

Towniest to scummiest.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:42 pm Dang I didn't know all it took was the vote to be correct for the push to be good that's crazy I'll note that down in the future.

im a simple guy, if villa vote wolf, villa push good.
mafia is a game of luck anyways.

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