The Syndicate

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:06 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:39 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:19 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:21 pm Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine
I dunno if I like this
Why not?
This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care
this is such a beautiful misunderstanding of my scum game reasonably extrapolated from my scum play in hot dog fingers mafia that I am wincing as I write this post to tell you that you are wrong about all of this because I bet that I could float +0.5 scum victories of just not commenting on this and then referencing it later

alas

well i mean there was that other game

The champion practice one. If I recall correctly you hardly did anything for the first 2 or 3 days. I dunno. Maybe it's an early game thing. Maybe I'm crazy. maybe both *brain explosion gif*

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:50 pm
Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:38 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:21 pm Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)
@Dubz just read this part
Oh hmm okay, I didn't remember that post. My snap impression is that the second part does feel a bit pre-emptively defensive but otherwise Scotty has felt okay to me so I need to think on it.

Remind me who else you are eyeing right now?
Scotty/Seanize/Thunal/you

I don't have confidence that all are scum
and I don't think I have as strong reasons for Seanzie/Thunal/you

What is your reasoning for dubz (which I realize you just said is bad but)

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:19 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:21 pm Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine
I dunno if I like this
Why not?

This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:44 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:05 pm actually, I'd go for Thunal first and then look at Seanzie again after if Thunal flips red
because it kind of reminds me of what Seanzie was doing to Epi in a previous game
this is definitely a different opinion from the thread's vibes

(this is sarcasm right(because why would you look at seanzie if thunal flips red that pretty much clears him(also this isn't what they did, seanzie made himself look bad to send epi deep)))

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:40 pm @Dennis

Thoughts on genny, lemon and/or quin?

Genny I have no thoughts on, lemon I kinda townread tbh and quin I don't remember because they pretty much disappeared today. But they were a main wagon yestrday and I may or may not go back

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:03 pm like yes, the switching votes thing was the same
but context was very different imo

What do you mean by context

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:21 pm Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:40 pm Oops I jumped off my buddy Dennis again, @Quin

Noo we're gonna look bad scotty and they don't know we're actually the only two mafia we need this to distance!!

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:35 am
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:46 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:06 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:53 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:46 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?
Why do you always ask this question? Do you want us to talk about you more or are you trying to learn your own play?
Most of the time, it's because I don't think I'd done anything AI when they made the read, and if I had I want that specified. In this case pyxxy said it very in passing, and didn't answer me the first time I pushed him

So its a combination of I want to know what he thought is AI, not allowing him to just ignore a question like that, and especially since pyxxy and I get along easily I'm pretty susceptible to him trying to pocket me. I also have a secret theory that's possible that I won't share as of now
Oh fun. More secrets
Would a town Kate give up about wanting to know secrets this easily? And with Dennis no less?

TKate where are you?

I want to know what Dennis was meaning being this post.

Today is my last few hours with Ariya so I'll be in and out at her leisure until later

I say later on but I thought he might be saying he just wants to keep me around

I kept it a secret cause I've noticed I give people outs a lot. Like I'll say "It gave me the feeling that blah blah, but you could've just been [some explanation where they're town]" and so they can just go with my plan and I'm stuck wondering why I don't suspect anyone

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:10 am I don’t like lemonfairy’s voting at end of day.

Should I?

Because I don’t.

Lemonfairy's in this game?

I've decided I don't suspect scotty despite him having a joyride at eod

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:58 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:57 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:36 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:05 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.
No. Nothing exactly nothing about "turning into" a CW actually suggests something about my alignment.

What movement suggests this? Explain in detail please.
I have never explained anything in detail, but:
It feels like votes cascaded to creature after they started getting on you. At least in my memory.
I wasn't there for EoD, so I don't know the vote orders, but why would you describe me as turning into the Creature CW if this is true? What you describe would be the opposite.
I was maybe there and I do recall this as well, though when we talk about votes cascading, it was more of like a flow of 2-3 votes. I may have helped your cause with shielding, since some people turned to me instead lol
What do you think of Creature going over? Very rarely is Creature a good wagon D1 IMO.

It felt like too much of a shrug yeet that wolves backed with the infamous "creature low posts as wolf" argument

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:54 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:34 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:53 am I've thought about it for 5 seconds and think we should all say what we did.
I tried to make a loud alignment check that failed, and then someone took one of my pieces of art, or I lost it. All I know is I no longer have the art

I didn't use the other art because I couldn't come up with anything related to it
Sounds like someone created a role that is an art thief.

Smart

Yeah it's really frustrating

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:29 pm Seanzie I don't townlean anymore since I think there's a good chance the Sean wagon was pure and wolves would be more likely to want him dead if he's town over ML bait Creature imo.

I'm really not following this

So because the seanzie wagon was pure, the wolves would have joined and pushed him over rather than killing creature? Is that right?

Well that all relies on the seanzie wagon being pure, which I sort of find hard to believe as a main wagon at eod1. It's possible but I'd need to look at his voters

It's like, being a wagon doesn't directly make you a suspect and that wagon felt empty from the start

I feel like this makes less sense but I'm struggling to find the words right now. If you could go into more depth explaining this I'd appreciate it

I'm gonna look at thunals push on seanzie once more

Hmm thunal's iso is struggling to make me feel anything at all

Alright this is like 85% sheeping Seanzie [VOTE: thunal] aubergine

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:34 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:14 am Anyways, Dennis/Scotty is much worse for Dennis. Dennis is probably my #2 concern after Thun, but I don't think I'd call them my #2 suspect (Thus is #1 concern and suspect).
Can you explain the difference between "concern" and "suspect" in that case

@Seanzie did you answer this/can you answer this

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:47 am @Dennis do you happen to know of anyone that visited Porscha last night?

Nope i didnt watch anyone

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:53 am I've thought about it for 5 seconds and think we should all say what we did.

I tried to make a loud alignment check that failed, and then someone took one of my pieces of art, or I lost it. All I know is I no longer have the art

I didn't use the other art because I couldn't come up with anything related to it

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:36 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:34 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:18 am Anyone around?
Howdy
And tell me more about why Porscha NK is confusing. Who were you expecting?

Maybe surprising was a better word. It's just she did absolutely nothing compelling to me so I don't really know why she was killed. I like forgot she was in this game

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:35 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:34 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:18 am Anyone around?
Howdy
How do you feel about me not showing up to EoD?

Completely NAI? I rarely ever consider things like that AI

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:18 am Anyone around?

Howdy

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:14 am Anyways, Dennis/Scotty is much worse for Dennis. Dennis is probably my #2 concern after Thun, but I don't think I'd call them my #2 suspect (Thus is #1 concern and suspect).

Can you explain the difference between "concern" and "suspect" in that case

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:05 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.
No. Nothing exactly nothing about "turning into" a CW actually suggests something about my alignment.

What movement suggests this? Explain in detail please.

That's what I got too but that didn't make sense so I thought I was missing something

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:10 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:54 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:28 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.
Mind meld on scotty
I actually think Seanzie is more sus. Scotty was just acting weird with the vote flip flopping yesterday.
(did seanzie even show up at eod? i dont remember that)
He didn't.

I think I'm missing something, how is he more sus if he didn't show up?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:08 am Like, what does ‘mindmeld’ in keeping an eye on me actually mean in context of anything? It sounds like you just can’t commit to whether or not you actually suspect me.

And I think that’s weird

Was that the wording of that post

I don't remember the exact wording but what I took from it was your was sus

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:07 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:05 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.

What do you infer from my loosey goosey end of day?
You're either a wolf or very conflicted
Or both, right?

But for now, which one do you think I am- wolf or just conflicted town?

That's what I'm working on, cause I really didn't think much of you UNTIL eod last night

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:17 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:28 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.
Mind meld on scotty
lol you mindmeld that your eyes are on me?

Look away, Denny boy- it’s a free country

Yes I can't keep my eyes off you you're hopelessly attractive

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.

What do you infer from my loosey goosey end of day?

You're either a wolf or very conflicted

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:03 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:27 pm Porscha nk is confusing
What's confusing?

Cause what did porscha even do

She fluff posted just about the entire time, and I think called anyone who townread her scum which I struggle to see as real play. Why kill her?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:54 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:28 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.
Mind meld on scotty
I actually think Seanzie is more sus. Scotty was just acting weird with the vote flip flopping yesterday.

(did seanzie even show up at eod? i dont remember that)

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:45 pm I suspect Kate.
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:04 pm

Something someone once told me about how she approaches early game, I'm seeing it here.

Of course I could be wrong, but also [VOTE: kate] aubergine
Oh please elaborate, I'd love to hear this.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:50 pm I arrived late, I townleaned Dennis and then I talked about cannibalism lol

If you honestly think I'm bad, then you should and would stop being so cryptic. But I don't honestly think you think that. I actually think you wish I were bad.

But, alas, I am civ once again.
I interpret "wishing [Kate was] bad" as Kate thinking Falcon wants to catch her. If that's wrong let me know, but I think Kate is implying Falcon is town with this response. For most people, if someone is tunneling them it's natural to question the tunneler's alignment, but Kate said this, later townleaned Falcon, and moved on. It felt a bit too linear and consistent.
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:07 pm Uh oh, Kate might be Maf
No. I'm playing exactly like I did last game, just not looking at you...yet
I don't think she played exactly like that other game. The town explanation is that she could be unaware of how differently her play vibed. There's also a plausible wolf explanation, that she's *trying* to play exactly like last game and so feels confident in saying she did. I have a mild ping that this is Kate's defense instead of something along the lines of saying it's her town game whether or not it's the same as last game.

@falcon45ca what's your current read on Kate and how confident are you in that read?

.."too consistent"? Why is being consistent scummy?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.

Mind meld on scotty

Porscha nk is confusing

I have 0 clue why seanzie is a wagon now

what is HAPPENING

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:11 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:06 am
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:09 am ive decided all of you are mafia except creature who is a jester

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:13 am [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

my vote makes perfect sense if you think about what im trying to achieve

What is it that you're trying to achieve

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:46 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:06 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:53 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:46 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?
Why do you always ask this question? Do you want us to talk about you more or are you trying to learn your own play?
Most of the time, it's because I don't think I'd done anything AI when they made the read, and if I had I want that specified. In this case pyxxy said it very in passing, and didn't answer me the first time I pushed him

So its a combination of I want to know what he thought is AI, not allowing him to just ignore a question like that, and especially since pyxxy and I get along easily I'm pretty susceptible to him trying to pocket me. I also have a secret theory that's possible that I won't share as of now
Oh fun. More secrets

I was only holding it until pyxxy answered me, and turns out it was right

I thought maybe he didn't really townread/lean/whatever me, rather wanted me to be townread. Like he just wanted me to stick around, and that's kinda what I got from his response

I'm not entirely sure what to make of it yet

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:36 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:36 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:25 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:59 pm I've decided that Dennis is town and Dubz is not. Let it be known.
Why
Which part of my statement are you curious about?
The me being town part
I don't remember.

Aw shucks

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:34 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:25 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:06 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:00 pm I'm disappointed that my art was never auctioned. It was an MS paint masterpiece of... something.
neither was mine which means it's mechanical

happy birthday
I went back to this and why would you think it's mechanical? I looked at all the communication in the discord and signups and each person's role is interpreting the art subjectively. There was nothing about what happens to unauctioned art.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine
I'll ask everyone else too. Is there a reason to think this from the information a townie has?

I thought about this when you pointed it out and I don't really know what to make of it

It's a weird jump I think, but how is it really AI? What does wolf Quin gain from saying that? Well I guess it could be something like TMI or something that only the wolves know, but then why would Quin act like it's common knowledge

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:29 pm @Dennis do you think you can read Kate?

Yuh

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:25 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:46 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?
pretty straightforward sentence that was if I do say so myself

I'm fine with you being widely townread, I think either we found you as town super quick and that's a good thing or scum tried to let you be town and now you're stuck being town until you get nk'd

don't forget to have fun!

Why is me being scum not an option in that case

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:58 pm
Spoiler: show
just to make him mad
Town lock dennis

GRRRRRR IM GONNA SAY A CURSE WORD

Spoiler: show

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:53 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:46 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?
Why do you always ask this question? Do you want us to talk about you more or are you trying to learn your own play?

Most of the time, it's because I don't think I'd done anything AI when they made the read, and if I had I want that specified. In this case pyxxy said it very in passing, and didn't answer me the first time I pushed him

So its a combination of I want to know what he thought is AI, not allowing him to just ignore a question like that, and especially since pyxxy and I get along easily I'm pretty susceptible to him trying to pocket me. I also have a secret theory that's possible that I won't share as of now

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:50 pm I arrived late, I townleaned Dennis and then I talked about cannibalism lol

If you honestly think I'm bad, then you should and would stop being so cryptic. But I don't honestly think you think that. I actually think you wish I were bad.

But, alas, I am civ once again.

I townlean this amount of boasting

Confidence is a better word I think but meh

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:46 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:03 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:03 am Though that essay truly is wonderful. I'd say it deserves at least a 97/100
Where's the other 3 points?

JACK STOLE THEM BECAUSE HE GOT LIKE A 5 ON IT I SWEAR

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:54 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:46 pm My favorite artist is Kate for creating such a perfect piece of art such as me

Sure she screwed up with the other kids but why do you think she stopped with me (it's because I'm the perfected prototype)
SO TRUE!!!! Dennis is my favorite

Naturally *flips hair*

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:53 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:43 pm @Kate hiiiiii mooooooom
Hi bubs. Why is everyone picking on you already this game?

Because they hate me and are all wolves

I dunno why. Creature said annoying, voted me, and dissappeared into the fog, scotty said he literally didn't have a reason (but he's off me now from what I see) and Quin said we're all mafia

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:41 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:18 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:05 pm Anyone got any reads?
That's a shame, I was going to ask you cause you can make early reads like that

I don't, I can never read stuff like this

@falcon45ca you like pushing me about reading D0s as NAI, and while this isn't D0 it feels at least similar with the silliness and whatnot, whaddya got (if anything)
I've already given like four reads in a five read game (and one of the reads is the essay you wrote for your honors english class)
Oh yeah you have

I normally associate reads with like an explanation, which sounds sarcastic but I don't mean it like that

I don't know WHAT you mean I would NEVER submit an essay for an art upick (it got a 97/100)
What exactly made you say "Oh yeah you have"?

When you said that, I thought for more than 3 seconds and remember that you had, in fact, said things such as "x is town"

It didn't come up immediately cause it felt like it was in passing

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