The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:57 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:51 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
you're missing sig
Im not.
why do u townread him

I just slightly think neither Wilgy nor Roxy are partnered with sig.

Hmmm

Maybe replace sig with wilgy.

I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:27 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Game is clearly hard. Fact that you refuse to acknowledge that is bad.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, 2 and a half wolves are always in plain sight and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge this and instead push SPF with no justification other than "game hard" is bad. At least make a scumcase or something, or even better, explain why everyone else is town.

If anyone wants to talk me about interactions and consequently possible scumteam worlds then I'd love to talk, don't think I will make any earthshattering revelations about individual players at the moment.

Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.

SPF, why are you voting Kate?
Kate isn't being obviously wolfy, they've posted nothing all game, just vote Jack or smth.
I was wrong to ignore my Roxy null read and I'm not going to ignore my nullreads now.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.

No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.

No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.

No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:00 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:35 pm Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.
What generated this list? Again, idk how to catch SPF without a PoE, but if this one is valid we can go from there.

No, we cannot go from there.
The list generated from my brain figuring out that the reason I consider Roxy as town yesterday was because I was missing wolves and therefore that I was probably wrong about some of my townreads.

Sig has been going against the grain by ... shouting at everyone to not follow Alsion's legacy. Did you notice that one?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:11 pm
My read is that a group {SPF, Mac, Bereft} should be leading us, and they aren't so the group has wolves.

I have not been complicit in the gamestate. My reads have been ignored and none of the people I have pushed for have gotten chopped. The only effect I've had on the gamestate is that I've defended people like Falcon and Creature, because I think they're more likely town than not, and I think I've helped avoid wagons on them.

You spent yesterday arguing with us, how were we supposed to direct anyone when no one trusts us.

How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.
In what world is tutuu being ignored?

By Wilgy et. al

The Mac/SPF/Bereft thing is getting pretty old. We're not the only deepwolf candidates in the game.

Jack/Creature being w/w would be weird but their interactions have been weirding me out forever so I'll take it. I am currently of the opinion that Kate/Sabi is town and even if I were to entertain them being mafia, they're at minimum not paired with tutuu.

We shot Rondo because he is the most obvious town and everybody and their momma has been tinfoiling Mac/SPF/Bereft all of yesterday.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHA

OMFG

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did you just scumslip
and i just copied the wording

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:40 pm why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

My fault, ignore.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:35 am bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

It sounds like the team was literally made up to include as little wolves as possible. If I had been asked yesterday 0/5. This is not a real solve and you know it.

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:46 pm Just skimming Seanzie's iso.

Day 1 and day 2 he campaigned for Baudib to die. Baudib was the towniest player in the game.

He shielded Alison then voted her at the end.

He has tunneled me relentlessly.

Hes shielded actual scummy players.

Just kill him.
(tbf I think you were the only one who thought baudib was the towniest player in the game day 1)

I also thought baudib was the towniest player and think Lucy thought something similar.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:16 am I have decided to townread Jack for bad reasons.

I still think Tutuu is the key wolf.

I think Wilgy shielding Sabi from Falcon is mafia shielding town with TMI from another town.

I really just have nfi anymore. I want out.

Oh so you also think Wilgy has been dropping TMI.

Great we're sort of on the same page.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please

Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:03 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:52 pm This game confuses me currently but I haven't been able to articulate why.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:38 pm
Spoiler: show
This is the town inre: lucy/Alison:

No one seems able to move past the fact that:
A) I *am* a notoriously low poster does not mean idc or do not have accurate reads
B) Alison has been wrong about Neon, fs and now me.
C) If you keep following someone that is no better than *you* to figure out this game the town will lose.

I am not in "antispew". It is something I have never done. Why? Bc mostly when I am bad I am not caught, not bragging just saying.

Lucy has done fuck all to help solve. She cannot read anyone better than YOU!

Be better. Do better. Try to pull your heds out of your asses.

I would thank certain people and give final reads but you fuckers do not deserve one ounce of my help.
I dare ANY of you to ask why after the game ends.

I send every good vibe to the mafia. I hope you win <3

his post was before roxy's post if u look at the timestamps, he literally had no reason to suspect anything was off with roxy since she has literally made 0 posts at that point (between him convinced shes an anti spewing and this)

@staypositivefriend

Ah, so now we argue via "Bereft is not allowed to think thoughts over long periods of time and do smart things and go against consensus and reevaluate other parts of Roxy's play" which BTW, everyone saw me clearly doing.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:27 am When bereft comes in the thread he will start screeching at me making Dennis a wagon. Mafia is close to winning and hes in a powerwolf with Dennis mindset

Just watch

Poor Dennis. Getting wagoned just out of soneone trying to spite another player.

Oh no, did tutuu disappear? Disappointing.

Free points to whoever is able to discern my tone correctly in all of this towards tutuu.

On the topic of heart vs. logic, I still townread Dennis for heart reasons, and while I'm not going to remove them from partner analysis for due diligence reasons, I don't see myself voting them for a while.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.
From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:15 pm Why am I being read for emotion reasons and not for like, my reads? I genuinely feel like everyone is ignoring me now

Your content has been fine, I haven't managed to come up with a good reason to explain why they are good though.

Creature was a competing wagon yesterday yet the thread stayed placid. My instinct was that the wagons were on players of the same alignment, which is annoying.

I currently have Kate/Tutuu as a difference check as well, but I will elaborate more when I'm finished drawing things out as I see it currently.

Sig/Falcon/Jack/Creature/Tutuu ?

I have trouble seeing worlds where Jack and Creature aren't both mafia, and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ...

I will also just flat out state that 100 percent not both town and if you guys wanted a surefire way to catch a wolf just mow down the two of them.

If anyone could pull me a list of who voted Creature yesterday while I'm gone that would be great, thanks in advance.

Sweet.

I think I'm supposed to read tutuu's push on me and in general their entire behavior today as just outing as powerwolf.

Ehem, Seanzie.

I at minimum trust Kate over tutuu. When I worldbuild off of tutuu mafia however, I just get most of the obvious suspects. I don't actually think Dennis/Falcon/Porscha/Seanzie are wolfing with tutuu here. I however, do not think I'm right about all the obvious suspects being scum however because thats just too obvious.

I don't trust sig.
I don't trust Wilgy.

I don't trust Jack.
I don't trust Creature.

And I'm mostly at a loss as to how go about finding a villager in these 4 if any.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:05 pm Here's the dynamic I've observed.

Creature + Sig is a possible team pairing. Porscha chiming in on me like 3 times after I started going after Sig is noticable but I'm not ready to call it team indicative at this moment. Bereft can fit on this team.

The other end there's a world where it's Jack and Tutuu. The entire dynamic in Jack Tutuu is just so strange to me. Bereft doesn't fit on this team. Dennis doesn't fit on this team.

Does SPF make sense on either of these possibilities? Hell if I know, but I think it's worth sorting so I raise it as a potential discussion point.

I'm pairing both of those worlds. Is there an issue with that?

Might as well put my cards on the table now at this point since its not like I've had much luck forcing the pieces together.

I think Bereft/Lucy/Mac/Porscha is always town and even after sacrificing so many townreads I still don't want to get rid of these.

Then among the rest of the players, the following are not partnered:

Dennis Sig
Seanzie staypositivefriend
DrWilgy falcon45ca
Kate tutuu

The remaining players are Jack and Creature.

Try to make a team of five wolves here. You end up just picking one form each pair like I said. The alternative is dumping Jack and Creature together.

Today I will be voting wherever Lucy/Mac/Porscha/SPF vote or wherever I can convince them to vote and I will continue to do this for as long as possible. We don't win if we don't stick together is as much as I've gathered. We need a pelt if not today, tomorrow, otherwise this playerlist will go off the rails.

Creature > Jack looks like it achieves that so I am fine with this.

Wait we have 2 misyeets left??? Crap.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:29 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:27 pm Wait we have 2 misyeets left??? Crap.
no lol

mafia can stop 2 chops

theres also doctor card

and vengeful

a lot of variations but its potentially LyLo today

Potentially LYLO and you choose to spend it pushing me. Amazing.

This game still confuses me.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:42 pm roxy flipped what she wasn't supposed to flip

Nonrhetorical question, is this even possible.

The most ironic part of about this day is that we probably hit a mafia anyway by doing the zero brain nuke POE strategy.

I love the show the POE is putting on but I don't think I'd have a wolfteam if I took everything you guys have done at facevalue. Creature and Tutuu have been shouting their heads off about how they're not partnered and you're just the latest. As far as I'm concerned, I don't your or sig's play is particularly incompatible with just posting with TMI.

None of your posts disassociate you with Sig or Creature and if its so obvious then point it out to me because it would be a huge help.

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