The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:51 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:47 pm Alright I might listen on you about JDizz10.

What about hollowkatt? I thought Mac was decently confident they were town here:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:17 pm I am quite confident Hollowkatt is in his town meta.

na na na, tell me about what you guys talked about in the night and your thoughts on him

then i'll tell you what me and rask talked about
Honestly I wasn't really interested in talking that night. hollowkatt did mostly of the talking. Should I sum up what hollowkatt talked about or should I try to paraphrase everything hollowkatt talked about?

Mod note: edited for offensive language that may be sensitive so give me that

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:47 pm Alright I might listen on you about JDizz10.

What about hollowkatt? I thought Mac was decently confident they were town here:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:17 pm I am quite confident Hollowkatt is in his town meta.

na na na, tell me about what you guys talked about in the night and your thoughts on him

then i'll tell you what me and rask talked about

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:36 pm All lucy has done here is laugh at me, say I outed myself and push my fucking buttons until I get angry. Like christ this happens every game and I am so tired of it. The one time I actually randed mafia I didn't even get caught is the funniest part.

@Dennis see what happens when town listens to me?

JDizz10 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:02 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:44 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:24 pm [VOTE: dunya] aubergine gave me some general weird feelings, never showed up again despite voting me for lack of engagement, and now that other people who know them better are sus I'm confident enough

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:49 pm @hollowkatt what makes dunya an obvious wolf to you? You've been preaching for a dunya kill for a while now.
@Neon i think these are extremely scummy posts

post 1 because the read and vote 1) is on town 2) he's not taking accountability by voting a lhf and referencing other peoples reads on her (strictly because she wasn't active at all). this makes it more probable she's voted out and just takes away any accountability/responsibility from the vote

post 2 because of what happens after the "?" where he states an obvious and unnecessary thing that hollow has been wanting to kill dunya, it just seems like fishing for a chop and the messages involve awkward and unnecessary reasoning
This I agree with...

this might be tmi, i'm definitely good with a jdizz chop after i die cause he's probs not town

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:33 pm Alright we can just vote Kate out today for:

1. lucy/Scrappy Doo's win con
2. wolfy vote on me
3. wolfy claim

DrWilgy can keep voting me for DOOM's thing

i've finally beat the "is lucy wolfsiding?" "lucy is wolfsiding" accusations

rask convinced me and i kinda found kate scummy asf in the night, i think my logic yesterday was a bit too lenient. kate misread dennis and dennis misread kate into awkard tr's going both ways. that's w/w plain and simple

either way kate is claiming rolecop, we always chop that pr since it's clearly not town

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:22 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:21 pm @Kate out neon's role, neon could've potentially cleared someone with her role like she said. it is extremely anti town to prove that you can get peoples roles and not out neon's
Neon could use a mirror to deflect powers meant for her onto another.

how'd she die then? lol

@Kate out neon's role, neon could've potentially cleared someone with her role like she said. it is extremely anti town to prove that you can get peoples roles and not out neon's

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:18 pm I am going to trust my initial gut that sig is town. Is that alright?

I also thought JDizz10 was pretty pure. So I am keeping them as town.

I guess falcon45ca is towny enough too?

Also, is lucy also affected by Dennis' ventriloquist?

i was not, i am one kate chop from winning and being removed from the game

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:15 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:11 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:34 pm @DrWilgy vote dennis or i stay in the game for an extra cycle, you seriously want me to be in any unnecessary cycles?
I didn't know that's how it worked. My only understanding of your 3rd partyness is that you claimed it and claimed you can win independently of others. Here's your [VOTE: Dennis ] auberginevote.
if i predict 3 deaths in the following cycle, either chop or nk then i win

first pick was chihiro, second was jack, third is dennis

thank you though, i’ll give town 2 wolves hopefully and depart and you won’t have to worry about my slot at all
@DrWilgy first was incorrect, i picked kate. once she dies and flips scum i'm removed from the game
You can win without killing a townie. Why try to do it?

you're not town

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:14 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:10 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:09 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:06 pm that proves nothing, what it does tell me is that there's a mafia rolecop
And that's why I announced neon was good, Dennis was bad and y9u are in fact 3p?
what was neon's role

out her role, that is pro town and she is dead

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:34 pm @DrWilgy vote dennis or i stay in the game for an extra cycle, you seriously want me to be in any unnecessary cycles?
I didn't know that's how it worked. My only understanding of your 3rd partyness is that you claimed it and claimed you can win independently of others. Here's your [VOTE: Dennis ] auberginevote.
if i predict 3 deaths in the following cycle, either chop or nk then i win

first pick was chihiro, second was jack, third is dennis

thank you though, i’ll give town 2 wolves hopefully and depart and you won’t have to worry about my slot at all

@DrWilgy first was incorrect, i picked kate. once she dies and flips scum i'm removed from the game

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:09 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:06 pm that proves nothing, what it does tell me is that there's a mafia rolecop
And that's why I announced neon was good, Dennis was bad and y9u are in fact 3p?

what was neon's role

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:05 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:05 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:03 pm [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

rask's team was dennis/kate/hk/x
I can prove my role to you now.
PUPPY POWER!

PUPPY POWER!!!!!

neither you or lpp are getting wagoned tomorrow, chillax

i’m getting off, disgusting play by me

fuck i’ve townsided too much, i should’ve pushed kate tomorrow regardless of what alignment she was ugh

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:43 pm dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia
I totally disagree with this take.

Especially with Mac dying at night after he said he’d push her.

I think she was trying to play a distance game with him and now that it’s clear that won’t work she’s throwing him under the bus for civ credit.

I’ll answer your other post in a bit (after work)

makes no difference to me if you and a bunch of other towns wanna slaughter kate tomorrow but i think if dennis flips scum she’s virtually clear due to lack of tmi

if you strongly disagree and wanna vote out kate tomorrow i cannot disagree because i win after that lmao

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:54 pm @sig @Kate can you elaborate on mac’s weak tr’s and sr’s, just list the names and not the reasoning so i can have even more original thoughts and narrow down a new poe

weak tr’s and weak or strong sr’s etc

all his reads and ignore the harder/confident townreads

@sig @Kate can you elaborate on mac’s weak tr’s and sr’s, just list the names and not the reasoning so i can have even more original thoughts and narrow down a new poe

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:43 pm dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia

@Le petit poussin

i think you should solve in dennis w and kate v worlds because this is a pretty strong/confident read

dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia

@Kate if dennis flips scum i consider you to be fairly clear based off your interactions this cycle ftr

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:33 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:26 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:25 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town
Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.
what does it give her
My role puts a bounty on someone of my choice, if kate gets you killed she is rewarded
THIS is what that meant lol. I asked the host to clarify but he would not. Omg.

Ok then, if that's the case. Vote dennis. He's a hit.

Jfc maybe be a little clearer doom.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:32 pm I picked Kate because at night I believed Lucy/Kat were different alignments

3p/mafia yes

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:28 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:16 pm wigly arrived at the kate/dennis solve, i will feed him grapes while he lays down because god he’s town and townsiding
Why don't you let go of your ego for 5 friggin seconds and read. Not tunnel not confbias just READ.

“Conclusion:
Solving between the Chihiro wagon and the Seanzie wagon I think would be in our best interest. I do not think, based on votes, that it is not in the realm of reason to suspect 1 in Kate/Sig and 1 in Dennis/HK.”

seems like a dennis/kate solve and i can hard defend hk/sig successfully and wolf case you two v easily

kate is literally not townsiding

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:26 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:25 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town
Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.
what does it give her
My role puts a bounty on someone of my choice, if kate gets you killed she is rewarded

LMAOOOOO NICE MECH @Kate no wonder u wouldn’t claim

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town
Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

what does it give her

kate’s positions off mech aren’t logical because her claims are inconsistent with themselves and come off as tmi due to the clarity in which she’s reading the gamestate while doing 0 hunting for wolves

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:15 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:36 am @Kate

you up to kill Lucy/HK?
I've never been up to kill hk. But Lucy, yes. My vote is not moving. There are others who need to go, but today my vote is planted where it is.

out your mech on me uwu

wigly arrived at the kate/dennis solve, i will feed him grapes while he lays down because god he’s town and townsiding

here are some facts

1) dennis wasn’t poe or suspected yesterday, so like if i wasn’t genuinely or accurately solving i could have never picked him
2) i need control to lynch and town to participate, so it only makes sense for me to townside because if i pick an obvious fucking town i’ll get fucked trying to push them. if i pick a wolf town participates and the lynch after that is free reign
3) neon locktown with possible mech on kate
4) you fuckers don’t want me around d4-5 no matter what happens, if we chain dennis->kate i leave the game and will have two pelts and have no issues with town

tldr dennis->kate here
tkdr i’m accurately and genuinely solving and not picking lhf from previous day and i’m incentived to pick mafia

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:59 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:56 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:54 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm my push on kate was just to see dennis defend her and that's been cleverly displayed where dennis hard defends his TOWNLEAN not TOWNREAD LMAO
If you look at the big annoying post I made there is a difference between "town" and "townlean" and "town" means "townread"
okay but my question is why have you consistently defended kate d1/2 while she's only a townlean and you're not confident she's town + there's doubt that she's town from your point of view
Cause I am confident she's town. There's always doubt from my point of view that someone is scum and that's why I always get called hedgy (see that one post you screenshotted where I said but like 400 times in goc) because I always have doubts. The doubt is smaller than most people this game.

ty for defending yourself, now it'll be fun to case you

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:58 pm If creature, doom, LPP, and Rondo are all town that means neon has to be mafia.

I’m still town reading her, but I need to see more this phase

lpp is town, i've discussed with him a fuck ton in the night

1) we came to the dennis hard mafia thought
2) rondo/mac obv town because of the slots they subbed into
3) creature/doom kinda clear themselves off their interactions fmpov (not a le petite twink thought)

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm I'm not wasting all of my posts on you

can you point me to some posts that you didn't waste on me/dennis

your focus is extraordinarily small and explicitly on me, i don't know if you scumread anyone or have tried to fucking suspect mafia lmao

why are you trying to kill third party and have stopped solving for mafia entirely?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:54 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm my push on kate was just to see dennis defend her and that's been cleverly displayed where dennis hard defends his TOWNLEAN not TOWNREAD LMAO
If you look at the big annoying post I made there is a difference between "town" and "townlean" and "town" means "townread"

okay but my question is why have you consistently defended kate d1/2 while she's only a townlean and you're not confident she's town + there's doubt that she's town from your point of view

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:23 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:10 pm lucy

This slot NEEDS to go.
i guess we will cross today, your reasoning will be worse than mine and i have 3 votes today, you should out the mech that you have on me
It was somebody else's mech. I'm not wasting all of my posts on you. Why don't you try looking for an actual mafia member if you're town leaning bc you know me better than this, or at least you should.

how did you get their mech if chats closed before night pms went out?

i know you have done 0 scum hunting this game, point me to one sr that you've had this game

my push on kate was just to see dennis defend her and that's been cleverly displayed where dennis hard defends his TOWNLEAN not TOWNREAD LMAO

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:46 pm Jack died so that’s 1 and Mac was shot so 2?

i get a single guess per cycle that applies for nk's and lynches in the same guess

and my guess was dennis for this cycle

and i independently arrived at dennis/kate scum in the night and @Le petit poussin can confirm that

@Creature iso dennis then kate thanks

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:41 pm Especially with her only needing one kill left to win.

2

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:37 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:29 pm @sig i have a few questions

1) what exactly did mac say?
2) what was kates read on dennis
3) don't you think it's odd how kate hasn't scum hunted yet?

1. Mac had a fairly small POE I quoted it above it evolved throughout as we solved. He was very confident in

Dennis being mafia
Wilgy being mafia (I disagreed here)
Rondo playing not pro civ at all, but he did like when Roxy was in the slot.

Kate being mafia, he later said he was trolling her, but as soon as she left in the very beginning he said she was mafia, thought she was role fishing, and said if he died to vote her/he’d tunnel here if he lived.

He also added her to a secondary POE list he made later so I’d assume he was serious about that read.

He wanted to give Dunya/LPP half a day since they’re apparently very obvious as town

His read evolved on Doom/Creature and thought that both weren’t mafia with a lean to creature being mafia instead of Doom.

Having said that the fact we only had one extra person die is weird I’ll explain that more later.

He said HK could be mafia.

We’ve got a pretty small POE my first post also laid out the POE Mac made. So if I forgot it here you’ll find it there.

He pointed out that Kate was going for the LHF as well in the chat which I could see chiefly Creature (note mac did later mafia read him) and Falcon.

2. Kate had a scum read on Dennis we all were in agreement here that he wasn’t playing very civvy yesterday.

3. Yes very odd. I don’t like the solo focus on you at all.

isn't it interesting that me and mac came to the same exact conclusion on kate/dennis being scum in the night?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:32 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:26 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:23 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:18 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:17 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:12 pm @Dennis why do you townread kate?
She has just been wildly in her town meta imo. There's 2 parts that are concerning me: that she has been a bit more passive and that she hasn't found me yet. Unless she has, she has been pretty wishy washy on me. Other than that I think she's golden.
do you think i need to die?
I think with your sudden unexplained jump on Kate, maybe. Because this made it pretty obvious you guessed Kate was going to die and you aren't going to actually work off your reads to push that. That just makes you untrustworthy. I also am 98% sure Kate has some sort of TMI against you with how she is INSISTING like she is that you must go.
why do you think its unexplained? why do you think i'm not gonna out my reads to push it?

clearly my actions worked perfectly yesterday, why do you doubt that my push on kate will fail and why do you think i'm not trustworthy?
1. It's unexplained because you haven't explained it yet

2. Go ahead, I'm waiting

3. I doubt your push on Kate will fail because yesterday, jack was the counterwagon to D1. Whereas Kate has generally been regarded as town fmpov.

4. You're not trustworthy because you're not town is the simple answer. You could switch your reads up or just straight up lie to get to your wincon and dip.

why did you describe it as unexplained, it's blatantly a fact that day just started and that it's way too early for anyone to provide reason for a push, describing it as unexplained is overly skeptic

don't you think it's towny/not scum siding that i haven't picked and pushed lhf?

you know my win con and you know that the only realistic way for me to push it forwards is to participate in who is chopped and to guide town chops into scum. anything else means i have no way of fulfilling my win con because i can't reliably pick nightkills and i wouldn't have gotten special voting powers if i wasn't supposed to participate in the chops

i lie as both alignments, i've lied plenty as town and even more as scum and both satisfy their respective win cons by play alone. it's generally suboptimal to be completely transparent in a mafia game

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:29 pm So my biggest issue with the Kate sudden push is it’s right after Mac died. I don’t want to get too paranoid here, but it makes sense to try and swing town to a third party right now.

@lucy /@Scrappy Doo why did you decide to go with Kate today vs another wagon/POE

i predicted that mac would die in the night and i think that kate is the second scumimest person in the list and i think that i have great odds of successfully pushing that chop

however i didn't pick her

@sig i have a few questions

1) what exactly did mac say?
2) what was kates read on dennis
3) don't you think it's odd how kate hasn't scum hunted yet?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:23 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:18 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:17 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:12 pm @Dennis why do you townread kate?
She has just been wildly in her town meta imo. There's 2 parts that are concerning me: that she has been a bit more passive and that she hasn't found me yet. Unless she has, she has been pretty wishy washy on me. Other than that I think she's golden.
do you think i need to die?
I think with your sudden unexplained jump on Kate, maybe. Because this made it pretty obvious you guessed Kate was going to die and you aren't going to actually work off your reads to push that. That just makes you untrustworthy. I also am 98% sure Kate has some sort of TMI against you with how she is INSISTING like she is that you must go.

why do you think its unexplained? why do you think i'm not gonna out my reads to push it?

clearly my actions worked perfectly yesterday, why do you doubt that my push on kate will fail and why do you think i'm not trustworthy?

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