The Syndicate

Cape, I was ready to swear on my dying breath that you were town lol. Beautiful job. You and ilario especially did a great job creating confusion with your interactions.

All this time, truly Cape was the one with the long con. Marvelous.

I take it back. I did write a really nice poem.

Should've bought some Poopourri for that stinker.

I guess I can rest assured that no matter who I voted (ted, Alexy, or Wilgy) I would've been wrong. So I voted ilario D2 by sheer chance and then did nothing else right this game, wowee

Oh well! Hope that was it

Is this the part where I start clenching cheeks about the suddenness of people coming onto Wilgy?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:52 pm There is something about Rondo today that feels I guess genuine to me.

I can at least atest to liking the confidence

I think the overreaction to threadstate feels more like towny anger than wolfy grouchiness tbh

Oh wow, a riveting game tied at 2-2 in the home stretch! Feels like soccer.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:47 pm Why the fuck is Wilgy top wagon lol

Well, it helps that "top wagon" is literally two votes. I explained it previously but basically people who've called him out have died, he's made strange and out of place pushes, and his behavior with ilario seems potentially bussy.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:38 pm Although if we mislynch on one side, numbers-wise it makes sense for wolves to shoot in the other side. Maybe we can take that into consideration?

Hm? I don't think it really matters. We're all blended now. Unless you just mean narrowing the field of confusion.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:35 pm @Cape90 @potentialsheltervet how confident are you in this? i don't have time to do more and jack's advice is to vote with you two

Uhhhh. Lmfao. I can honestly say I don't think I've been very confident in a push I've made, ever? But laying back and thinking about it, if there's still a wolf on my side, I feel like it basically has to be Wilgy.
I feel like I should also note that I very much play mafia/WW as a game. So if I get things wrong, I'll go oof, cringe for me! And move on. Like, if Wilgy winds up being town and I essentially make us lose the game, I'll feel bad for everyone involved, but I won't be crushed...? I feel like I need to clarify my philosophy just to make it clear that I'm not coming from a place of like hardcore belief and strength. I just go loosey goosey.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:32 pm I mean, I'd probably prefer to lynch on my side, especially as the other side's "consensus" seems to no longer be a consensus. But if nobody's biting, what can I do?

You think Abby is the wolfiest?

Pretend I didn't mess up the quotes there. Why "no", Rondo?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:40 pm Hmm. Yeah.
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy ] aubergine

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:56 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Why?

It just bothers me how I have been talking about this and Wilgy ignored me really discussing my arguments against him

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:59 pm [VOTE: leetic] aubergine
No

Why?

Does no one else think it odd for there to be both a tracker and a watcher? Seems unusual.

Yeah looks like Bereft thought Abigail was a wolf. I don't think Bereft was necessarily trolling, maybe just kinda joking around.
Also they were posting on Thanksgiving which is why I don't remember. I'm not just vacant.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:44 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:43 pm Huh, I'm glad Cape remembers that because I don't even remember Bereft being in our thread.
Can't you still double-check your thread?

Bereft showed up. I just have no memory of it. But it happened! The proof is right there.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:43 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:42 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:40 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:38 pm Anyone else kinda want to flash wagon Wilgy or Ted?
Wilgy idk, ted probably no. What do you think of the apparent disparity in PRs between the threads?
I'm honestly not that worried about it? Really I haven't thought about it too much beyond what's been discussed here.
As for the watcher claim one of them is lying and I've decided there being a specific prohibition against watching kills is just too weird to be sensical. That's what's making me side-eye ted.
Wilgy has had strange pushes all game tbh, and while initially I wanted to believe in him for being the pushing vote on ilario, tutuu proved he'd done the same thing previously in the exact same situation. So not clearing. And I can't shake that he'd benefit way more from killing tutuu and/or scotty than Alexy would.
Although what do you make of Alexy's weird targets? It reads like a wolf trying to catch town investigative roles rather than town trying to catch the killer

It's weird but she said she didn't understand how watchers work and I could see that being the case? I'm undecided.
I might just keep talking myself in circles and voting/unvoting between these two for the rest of the night. It's unclear.

Huh, I'm glad Cape remembers that because I don't even remember Bereft being in our thread.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:40 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:38 pm Anyone else kinda want to flash wagon Wilgy or Ted?
Wilgy idk, ted probably no. What do you think of the apparent disparity in PRs between the threads?

I'm honestly not that worried about it? Really I haven't thought about it too much beyond what's been discussed here.
As for the watcher claim one of them is lying and I've decided there being a specific prohibition against watching kills is just too weird to be sensical. That's what's making me side-eye ted.
Wilgy has had strange pushes all game tbh, and while initially I wanted to believe in him for being the pushing vote on ilario, tutuu proved he'd done the same thing previously in the exact same situation. So not clearing. And I can't shake that he'd benefit way more from killing tutuu and/or scotty than Alexy would.

Hmm. Yeah.
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy ] aubergine

Me: unity!!!
Also me: unless...?

Anyone else kinda want to flash wagon Wilgy or Ted?

RDB is also kind of reminding me of Long Con when he was deep in the POE and couldn't seem to get out. I am kinda leaning Rondo angry town atp?

Hm, do we think RDB is coming back within an hour and a half? He's still at no vote.

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:17 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:15 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.
Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?
We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.
Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?
At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.
That's not an accurate characterization of my play from last game but fine. I have been tunneling you this game because I feel like you haven't really given many thoughts or ideas. You've been floating when you're here and I find that curious.
Have you ever played with me before? When have I ever given many thoughts or ideas?

In any case, that's fine, but I don't think it's a good enough case to vote me off today vs. someone on the night thread.

The thing is, at this point it feels like the night thread is a shot in the dark. There's no consensus on even what the PoE is and I haven't the foggiest who I'd pick. There's still very likely a wolf from our team, and it's either Dr. Wilgy or you unless Cape really pulled the wool over everyone's eyes. I'll take the 50/50 over the 20/80.

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.
Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?
We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.
Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?
At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.

That's not an accurate characterization of my play from last game but fine. I have been tunneling you this game because I feel like you haven't really given many thoughts or ideas. You've been floating when you're here and I find that curious.

At what point did ted bring up not being able to watch kills? How did that phrasing arise?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.
Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?
We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:03 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:58 pm The other thread seems more certain on Alexy, which may justify us going there, even if we have a better statistical chance of hitting a wolf in my side
Be awfully cringe if I was wrong on Alexy and tutuu/Scotty were right on Dr Wilgy, haha. Yikes
Let it be noted that tutuu very firmly believed DW was a wolf and cased him bussing a partner in a previous game in the same way he would've bussed ilario if they were partners here. Scotty also proclaimed DW was bad. Now they're both dead. Coincidence?
...I mean, behaviorally it seems like Alexy, but if you follow the night kills you can't ignore the shiftiness in that.
Although we don't know which of tutuu/DM, if any, were killed by the wolves

Although maybe Bereft's role (and someone else's from the other side) is that they become SK at merge?

I'd rather they didn't lol but Bereft's lack of flip is interesting

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:03 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.
Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?
they said no to this

Okay, couldn't remember if they ever answered. Just remembered someone else relayed it wasn't specified in the claim initially

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:59 pm [VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

I am fine with consolidating here but I am weary of DrWilgy's interactions with Lime Coke from the other day...

I kinda missed the whole last day. What went down there that's making you wary?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:58 pm The other thread seems more certain on Alexy, which may justify us going there, even if we have a better statistical chance of hitting a wolf in my side

Be awfully cringe if I was wrong on Alexy and tutuu/Scotty were right on Dr Wilgy, haha. Yikes
Let it be noted that tutuu very firmly believed DW was a wolf and cased him bussing a partner in a previous game in the same way he would've bussed ilario if they were partners here. Scotty also proclaimed DW was bad. Now they're both dead. Coincidence?
...I mean, behaviorally it seems like Alexy, but if you follow the night kills you can't ignore the shiftiness in that.

Shouldn't be any argument on our side that if any sunshine fellow gets the boot, it should be Alexy
But it seems like there's roughly equivocal arguments for basically all the nighties being either town or mafia...? yoosh

Damn the current poll spread is BLEAK.

Yeah sure let's
[VOTE: Alexy ] aubergine

Oh I missed that no seeing kills part. Hmm. Specifically that you can't see kills would be a wacky move for a wolf to pull imo so I am inclined to trust Ted's claim more but I already confbiased myself on Alexy a long time ago

If I had to go in ted/Ran I might be more inclined to go Ran, but I'm not sure why. Gut vibes.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:53 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:53 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:52 pm Me, Ranmilia, and RDB all voted TSP last minute
How unanimous was the TSP vote?
Us, plus flipped town Windward and Gira and flipped ??? Bereft

Okay. Thanks. Bereft being a mystery is a thorn here, but eh. What can you do.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:52 pm Me, Ranmilia, and RDB all voted TSP last minute

How unanimous was the TSP vote?

Okay question for the nighties: what's the most parsimonious explanation? Like, assuming no bussing of TSP, who's wolfiest? I think I gathered TSP got voted by RDB and Abi (?) and was trying to get a wagon on RDB, maybe?

Has RDB claimed anything?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:42 pm if it's 5-4 today, in your thread, who would alexey be paired with?

No one really pairs nicely in the remaining bunch tbh but I guess I have more reasons for keeping Cape town than Wilgy? That would be wild though, I really am more on the side of thinking there's some sort of shenanigans rather than the numbers being that drastic.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:39 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:35 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:33 pm Whoever asked earlier, I can confirm the wording on the flipped mafia is the same as it was for TSP
So multiball is unlikely. Still doesn't answer what the potentially game-ending threat is.
Maybe some kinda mafia KP boost due to thread merge, I wonder?
then it's not lunchlo today

Jay warns of needing to smite mafia in the opening post to avoid ending the game today

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:35 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:33 pm Whoever asked earlier, I can confirm the wording on the flipped mafia is the same as it was for TSP
So multiball is unlikely. Still doesn't answer what the potentially game-ending threat is.

If you want to be technical it was multiball and we took out Delta already. Oops!

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:35 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:33 pm Whoever asked earlier, I can confirm the wording on the flipped mafia is the same as it was for TSP
So multiball is unlikely. Still doesn't answer what the potentially game-ending threat is.

Maybe some kinda mafia KP boost due to thread merge, I wonder?

So what I'm gathering is there is very little consensus on who is town here? Basically everyone in night thread is in the PoE? eek
Imo if anyone from day thread should be voted out, it's Alexy

Whoever asked earlier, I can confirm the wording on the flipped mafia is the same as it was for TSP

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