The Syndicate

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:46 pm Thought about doing a mini walrus and using my next broadcast for the reveal, but idk.

I’m confusion

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:55 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:50 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:30 am @miranda920 can you tell me about your current view? Like, who are your confident reads / try to sort people into town/scum ?

Dont think you trying to shiel/explain yourself on why you did for being pressed on time or whatever will make me feel better about you, so I think taking a different stance and try to solve/put your thought on the game will help me more

Lawpy - lean wolf
Genny - neutral, Genny is always a challenging read for me
Mayo - neutral, leaning more town
MR7 - town
Nate - neutral, unsure there are some iffy things
Santy - surprisingly you seem town to me, but you could easily good me
SAR - leans town
Dennis - neutral
Tutuu - seems townie
Mac - also seems town
Neon - feels town
SVS - neutral (also I promised I will get you those quotes when I have access to my laptop)
Seanzie - unsure, nothing has stood out to me about them
Sloonei - I’ve generally felt fine about them
Seems like everyone is town or neutral except 1. Why have you been holding back your vote?

This is a good observation. Way to wishy washy for this late in the game.

My dearest Abigail,

I apologize for the melancholic brooding in my last missive. How foolish of me to think that I mourned this loss alone.

Too many hours I have suffered, wondering which paths we may had traveled had I not insisted upon following this wanderlust. To whatever end.

I last spoke to your of metamorphosis, of mothers gifts, and of death.

Alas, they are one in the same.

I would fear that you would not recognize me if I still were foolish enough to believe I will yet hold you again.

Indeed no longer would I answer to the sweet sound of mayo on your lips.

I answer to another name now.

Vengeance.

Mother was most generous with her gifts. I have honored her legacy. I rest assured in the knowledge that I may hold my head high when I meet her.

A toi dans la vie et bientôt dans la mort

-Vengeance

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:28 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:36 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:43 am Alrighty reads

Why is there so many people left

Tutuu
Mac

Sloonei
MR7
SVS
Nate
Neon

I call this category "who?" because why do I still not remember any of your posts

SAR
Mayo

Santy - your reaction to mac's sus was like concerning, repeatedly bringing it up later just to shut it down even further

Miranda - something about your tone is just off to me, like you feel like you always have to defend
Seanzie - where u go y u no talk

Lawpy - I think you panicked with that roleclaim and then peaced out cause you felt outed
Genny - yah this is a sheep but I read myself and I agree for reasons I really don't feel like spelling out right now
You are using the logic from my posts to wolf read lawpy, but also don’t remember any of my posts?

And have no read on me?

That’s not a great look for you imo
You think that its a wolfy indicator or just them not paying attention?
I kinda lean on the latter and dont know if its wolfy per se

Definitely the latter, possibly the former. I’ve seen wolves struggle with the logic for their list when they are just echoing what’s being said.

It’s not going to change my vote today. It just means I’m still not sure what to do with Dennis

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:43 am Alrighty reads

Why is there so many people left

Tutuu
Mac

Sloonei
MR7
SVS
Nate
Neon

I call this category "who?" because why do I still not remember any of your posts

SAR
Mayo

Santy - your reaction to mac's sus was like concerning, repeatedly bringing it up later just to shut it down even further

Miranda - something about your tone is just off to me, like you feel like you always have to defend
Seanzie - where u go y u no talk

Lawpy - I think you panicked with that roleclaim and then peaced out cause you felt outed
Genny - yah this is a sheep but I read myself and I agree for reasons I really don't feel like spelling out right now

You are using the logic from my posts to wolf read lawpy, but also don’t remember any of my posts?

And have no read on me?

That’s not a great look for you imo

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:30 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:08 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:16 am How do I make votes appear here?

I didn't play the tutorial level.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:33 pm @Mayo the Mayo do you remember about when you actually voted Lawpy in the poll? Couldn't find a vote post. Not really important, I'm just a nerd.
8:16ish Wednesday

I posted this question after voting in the poll.
But also this is interesting actually because that would make you the first Creature voter on d1 by a significant margin (instead of falcon being the one to start the wagon).
Or did you vote for someone else and then move to Creature later? This is suddenly important to me. Kind of hate that the poll doesn't have vote history.

Creature was my only vote either day

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:58 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:46 pm 8:16ish Wednesday

I posted this question after voting in the poll.
Yeah I meant today

I was guessing around here:

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:16 pm Anyways, I'd look into genny/mayo/miranda maybe today

Also Dennis.

Dennis/Miranda hmmyes
Mayo and Miranda seem fine to me. Genny is just a complete shrug.

What do you think of Lawpy/Dya? Dya was quite pivotal in saving Creature and ensuring Scotty went over d1.
The Lawpyism thungy could be true and for them to be a wolf yeah. But I dont have much stock or a good Lawpy read rn
Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.

Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.

Oops. That's probably right.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:16 am How do I make votes appear here?

I didn't play the tutorial level.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:33 pm @Mayo the Mayo do you remember about when you actually voted Lawpy in the poll? Couldn't find a vote post. Not really important, I'm just a nerd.

8:16ish Wednesday

I posted this question after voting in the poll.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:19 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:01 pm honestly i dont quite get the reasons why lawpy is mafia but so many of my townreads are saying it that i'm not opposed at all, i dont need to know everything. u guys have my support
Mayo clearly has their information related reasons plus thinking that Lawpy's lying about stuff.

For me, it really boils down to Dyachei's handling of Scotty/Creature day 1 more than anything. I kind of think Lawpy has been a little been towny sounding, but they also have a LOT of red flags.

I’ll share the rest tomorrow, unless I need to sooner.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:07 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:39 am genny:

-hasnt shown signs of being town. i dont think anyone townreads her unless i missed it

-was suspected by PSV who was killed last night

-is a SDNer who are making up a big (or all) portion of the remaining wolves due to PSV and not Mac/Sloonei dying last night

-didnt express curiosity / care / interest at why i'm scumreading her yesterday

-TMI'd mayo town during a timeframe in which Mayo wasn't obv town, (he was PoE at the time), and her reasons for townreading Mayo was seen as sketchy, not just by me, but by PSV too

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:47 am (full posts snipped)

genny wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:04 pm there's a glimpse of him solving here, and i know it's not much, but that's what you get with mayo. this is how i read him last game, you're welcome to use it in the future.

genny wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:50 pm But I will say that Mayo sounds like village!mayo to me. he's being open and forthcoming with the little bit of info he gives out, which is not a feeling i get when he's wolfing.
to me this just feels like blatant TMI from a wolf struggling to make a convincing read; the intention was to just put out a townread on mayo, justifying it was secondary

I noticed this yesterday too. I wrote about it in my role discord to bring up this cycle.

Genny had 18 posts yesterday. Why spend several of them defending me?

On one hand, Genny is much better at reading me early game than most people.

On the other hand, she knows that, and knows that I know that.

She's never spews her thoughts and full rank lists all over the thread, but she assesses people very well and game solves. She also not dropping sassy comments, so I've been giving her a pass because Genny activity is usually NAI.

Sadly with her VCA and lack of participation, at a certain point we will just need to pull the trigger.
And on genny, I don't know if this is a weird thing to read her based on or not, but this is the first game I've been in with her where she's said she's fully caught up.

Fully caught up and not commenting is noteworthy.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:32 pm I would caution against using claims as clearing at most levels as on SDN we often have designs to combat this - mods providing fakeclaims for wolves, giving traditional town roles to wolves and vice versa, and otherwise messing with "expected" mechanics. Not saying it may not be useful, but should be interpreted with caution.

I'm also still tinfoiling that we have two separate scum factions. Since sdn plays werewolf and syndicats play mafia, I was thinking we might have wolves (were animals) and mafia in this game rather than 3p/sk as the other faction

I like your tinfoil. It would explain some of the extra night kills.

Do you have an updated reads list?

Your first one was based off of only a partial read of the game.

Any evolution in your thoughts since then?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:01 pm honestly i dont quite get the reasons why lawpy is mafia but so many of my townreads are saying it that i'm not opposed at all, i dont need to know everything. u guys have my support

I wanted to give Lawwpy a chance to come up with a story before I shared more.

If all actions are loud he definitely didn't tell the truth at all.

If some actions are loud, he still looks bad to me for the reasons stated about his gameplay (tone, VCA, fake supporting zenge) and still looks likely bad for [redacted]

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:57 pm Falcon was a Mafia Goon with the community role of a 1-shot doctor

Ergo he had the "fakeclaim" of claiming doctor

Lawpy's fruit vendor isn't a fakeclaim because it's not in the list of base roles

It's confirmed regardless of his alignment that it's a community role, so it doesn't mean anything imo

As in, you can't argue that it was a mod-provided fakeclaim because it's not a claim, it's not a base role. It's just there for the lols

Whether or not he is a fruit vendor is inconsequential.

I didn't receive fruit, but that is inconsequential as well.

At best, he was challenged for his nighttime activities and claimed fruit vendor as a way to get my alignment. Claimed he was going to ask me about it "to see if it worked," and I just happened to start the day asking him what he did. None of what he said made sense.

Even if I didn't know something else.

I would have read that as a wolf scrambling to make up a fake claim in real time.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:52 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:41 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:45 pm
So the plan was:

1. You have a fruit vendor ability that only worked 1 night so far

2. You decided to send it to me, with the hopes of asking about it

3. This information would somehow help you reassess my affiliation.

4. Entirely coincidentally, I had decided to start the day by tagging you on the thread and asking you what you did last night.

5. You quoted that post

6. Your response to that quote was independent of it

Please see the above summary of his ever changing story. Does any of that make sense to you?

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:33 pm

Sorry I may be being obtuse but fake claim in what sense? In that you didn't receive a fruit? In that you received a fruit but you don't think it was from Lawp? In that you received a fruit but you think it is a community role and not Lawp's important role? None of the above?
I asked Lawwpy about his night activities. First post of the day.

I clearly have a good reason for asking that.

The reason isn't fruit related.

Fruit vendor seems like a pretty convenient fake claim, if you want to have a cover role.

It's already been shown that it couldn't be his character role (see other people's post above).

It may be his community role, but I doubt it. Either way, he did not respond truthfully to what he did last night.
Hmm. My biggest point for Lawpy is he was supportive of Zenge's falcon tunnel and didn't try to cast doubt on Zenge's alignment over it. But if he knew Zenge was right he'd also know that Zenge would never drop it, and never actually voted falcon..

Right, but he used that support to try to put sus on Sloo and I. NOT on falcon.

That was at a time when falcon and creature were under a lot of pressure so any counter-wagon would be really useful.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:39 am genny:

-hasnt shown signs of being town. i dont think anyone townreads her unless i missed it

-was suspected by PSV who was killed last night

-is a SDNer who are making up a big (or all) portion of the remaining wolves due to PSV and not Mac/Sloonei dying last night

-didnt express curiosity / care / interest at why i'm scumreading her yesterday

-TMI'd mayo town during a timeframe in which Mayo wasn't obv town, (he was PoE at the time), and her reasons for townreading Mayo was seen as sketchy, not just by me, but by PSV too

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:47 am (full posts snipped)

genny wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:04 pm there's a glimpse of him solving here, and i know it's not much, but that's what you get with mayo. this is how i read him last game, you're welcome to use it in the future.

genny wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:50 pm But I will say that Mayo sounds like village!mayo to me. he's being open and forthcoming with the little bit of info he gives out, which is not a feeling i get when he's wolfing.
to me this just feels like blatant TMI from a wolf struggling to make a convincing read; the intention was to just put out a townread on mayo, justifying it was secondary

I noticed this yesterday too. I wrote about it in my role discord to bring up this cycle.

Genny had 18 posts yesterday. Why spend several of them defending me?

On one hand, Genny is much better at reading me early game than most people.

On the other hand, she knows that, and knows that I know that.

She's never spews her thoughts and full rank lists all over the thread, but she assesses people very well and game solves. She also not dropping sassy comments, so I've been giving her a pass because Genny activity is usually NAI.

Sadly with her VCA and lack of participation, at a certain point we will just need to pull the trigger.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:45 pm
So the plan was:

1. You have a fruit vendor ability that only worked 1 night so far

2. You decided to send it to me, with the hopes of asking about it

3. This information would somehow help you reassess my affiliation.

4. Entirely coincidentally, I had decided to start the day by tagging you on the thread and asking you what you did last night.

5. You quoted that post

6. Your response to that quote was independent of it

Please see the above summary of his ever changing story. Does any of that make sense to you?

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:33 pm

Sorry I may be being obtuse but fake claim in what sense? In that you didn't receive a fruit? In that you received a fruit but you don't think it was from Lawp? In that you received a fruit but you think it is a community role and not Lawp's important role? None of the above?

I asked Lawwpy about his night activities. First post of the day.

I clearly have a good reason for asking that.

The reason isn't fruit related.

Fruit vendor seems like a pretty convenient fake claim, if you want to have a cover role.

It's already been shown that it couldn't be his character role (see other people's post above).

It may be his community role, but I doubt it. Either way, he did not respond truthfully to what he did last night.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:31 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:30 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:28 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:57 pm Game is worryingly quiet tbh. If we have a mid game lull and the people not posting are mostly town this will go pear shaped pretty quick.
And here I was thinking wow I might actually have a chance to read all of today haha
I had the same thought, I was like "oh good only 5 pages so far". But yeah, with how much KP has been flying around we might not have as much runway as it seems if things start to go sideways.

KP?
Kill Power. Blanket term for night kills / vigs / poisons / etc.

3 night kills, 2 day kills?

That will wrap things up pretty quickly

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:28 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:57 pm Game is worryingly quiet tbh. If we have a mid game lull and the people not posting are mostly town this will go pear shaped pretty quick.
And here I was thinking wow I might actually have a chance to read all of today haha
I had the same thought, I was like "oh good only 5 pages so far". But yeah, with how much KP has been flying around we might not have as much runway as it seems if things start to go sideways.

KP?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:31 pm
Spoiler: show
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:16 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:14 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:08 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:55 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:48 pm

No pls
Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?
Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.
How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?
Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?
A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?
We recently had a game here with a Mafia Fruit Vendor. Just saying.

Agreed, it wouldn’t clear him. I think it is a fake claim regardless.

The explanation didn’t really make sense. It should also be clear by now that I have a reason for asking him that question on the first place.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:32 pm I think i underestimated my health situation, i’ll try to respond when i get the time.

Feel better pls

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:46 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:45 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:25 am its not impossible marmot was the even-night town vig that shot falcon
nvm it is impossible since neon roleblocked them n2
Explain pls?

I think I missed who was role blocked and how that would protect marmot

Nvm. Completely misread that.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:45 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:25 am its not impossible marmot was the even-night town vig that shot falcon
nvm it is impossible since neon roleblocked them n2

Explain pls?

I think I missed who was role blocked and how that would protect marmot

I want to see what other pushes develop and give people a chance to respond to the Lawwpy stuff.

There is more, but I'll hold here and go to bed.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:50 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:45 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:40 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:25 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:21 pm

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.
Who did you target N1?
Its even nights pls
Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?
It’s independent of your questioning pls
So the plan was:

1. You have a fruit vendor ability that only worked 1 night so far

2. You decided to send it to me, with the hopes of asking about it

3. This information would somehow help you reassess my affiliation.

4. Entirely coincidentally, I had decided to start the day by tagging you on the thread and asking you what you did last night.

5. You quoted that post

6. Your response to that quote was independent of it
No 2 goes too far. Yes i sent it to you but i’m aware that this is a role madness game so i can’t be certain whether you actually received it. I was trying to use it like a visitor role.

And yes, again, i don’t start off blindly discussing mechanics. You asked a mechanical question, so i quoted it and replied.

You are contradicting yourself again.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:45 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:39 pm Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?
No pls i used a single vote
Didn't you have a bonus vote?

He spent it on fruit

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm @Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

The basics of it:

I think the fruit vendor is a fake claim. It should be pretty obviously a fake claim by his defense of it

VCA matching his wolf play. Saying we should ignore that because he is always bad at voting

I think he was trying to pocket zenge by defending him. He never actually pursued the falcon vote.

His argument against me doesn't make sense, since I wasn't opposing Zenges at any point. I actually defended his read against TS players saying we should disregard Zenges because they were better at reading falcon

The dya iso looks worse in retrospect

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:40 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:25 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:21 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:16 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:14 pm

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?
A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?
A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.
Who did you target N1?
Its even nights pls
Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?
It’s independent of your questioning pls

So the plan was:

1. You have a fruit vendor ability that only worked 1 night so far

2. You decided to send it to me, with the hopes of asking about it

3. This information would somehow help you reassess my affiliation.

4. Entirely coincidentally, I had decided to start the day by tagging you on the thread and asking you what you did last night.

5. You quoted that post

6. Your response to that quote was independent of it

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:39 pm Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?

Oho?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 pm
Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

Quoting myself because that chain was getting distractingly long

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:25 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:21 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:16 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:14 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:08 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.
How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?
Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?
A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?
A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.
Who did you target N1?
Its even nights pls

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:32 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:24 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:19 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:01 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:49 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?
I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse
You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.
I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.
It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing
Mayos pls i gave an example of Santy. You were coming across as an engaged bystander trying to back Slooneis who was trying to nudge Zenges away vs Santy actually making a direct point in not getting confbiased only on falcons and finding other wolfreads independent of the falcons read. Seanzies also raised valid points. So no, it’s not a blind defense of Zenges.

I had falcons and creatures in my POE. I’m aware of the drawbacks of never bussing but Creatures was practically a dead wolf walking starting D2 and falcons was being tunneled by Zenges. So i was trying to solve beyond these 2 and honed into the those contributing to resistance to Zenges push on falcons

By this logic you should be voting Sloo who you say was actively resisting Zenge. Me saying I didn't auto-wolf Sloo for it only makes me wolfy if Sloo is wolf.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:32 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:24 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:19 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:01 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:49 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?
I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse
You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.
I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.
It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing
Mayos pls i gave an example of Santy. You were coming across as an engaged bystander trying to back Slooneis who was trying to nudge Zenges away vs Santy actually making a direct point in not getting confbiased only on falcons and finding other wolfreads independent of the falcons read. Seanzies also raised valid points. So no, it’s not a blind defense of Zenges.

I had falcons and creatures in my POE. I’m aware of the drawbacks of never bussing but Creatures was practically a dead wolf walking starting D2 and falcons was being tunneled by Zenges. So i was trying to solve beyond these 2 and honed into the those contributing to resistance to Zenges push on falcons

We're back to this, but I never resisted Zenges push on falcon.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:21 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:16 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:14 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:08 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:55 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:48 pm

No pls
Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?
Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.
How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?
Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?
A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?
A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

I brought up night actions Lawwpy.

Not you.

I wouldn't know the fruit was from you and wouldn't start the day by mentioning it.

I don't buy that you were planning on starting the day by asking me about fruit to see if it works. I also don't see how that would help you to reassess me

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:21 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:16 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:14 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:08 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:55 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:48 pm

No pls
Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?
Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.
How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?
Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?
A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?
A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:19 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:01 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:49 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm

Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?
I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse
You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.
I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.

It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:14 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:08 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:55 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:48 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:47 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?
No pls
Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?
Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.
How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?
Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:08 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:55 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:48 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:47 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?
No pls
Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?
Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.
How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Quoting myself because I agree with me

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:55 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:48 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:47 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm

Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?
No pls
Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?
Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:01 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:49 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:21 pm

The Lawpyism thungy could be true and for them to be a wolf yeah. But I dont have much stock or a good Lawpy read rn
Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.

Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.
Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?
I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse
You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.

I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:45 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm I'm sorting reads pls.

Who do you think is wolfing Lawpy?
I don’t think my POE changed significantly from before, which btw had falcons and creatures in it.

I’m wolfreading Nates, mayos and Slooneis. Largely because of end of D1 events for Nates + the initial Zenges vote. And how the latter two handled Zenges vs Falcons.
Lawpy has sided very strongly with Zenge in the Zenge vs. Sloonei dialogue on Day 1. I have been worried about this. I do not want to bring up bring up past events that are not relevant. But I think I have made myself clear that I do not believe Zenge was responding to my posts fairly or accurately. I believe others have expressed similar feelings. But I'm not interested in polling the room. I just want to note that Lawpy has used this issue to frame me as a suspect since subbing into the game without seeming to give much consideration to the other side of the coin.
Frame is definitely wrong and implies i’m disingenuous. I was honing in on Zenges vs Falcons because Zenges was receiving a lot of major pushback and resistance that made me suspect wolves were trying to defend Falcons and get the heat off of him. And i still argue that’s the case. And i already acknowledged in a response to Nates that Zenges might be confbiasing but i still backed his tunnel on Falcons strongly and was honing in on anyone trying to mount a resistance against him. I also very clearly mentioned how trajectory matters because Santy defended Falcons too and yet i’m village reading him because the way he engaged with Zenges is coming from a more genuine solving approach as opposed to your attempt in trying to subtly nudge Zenges away from the tunnel while gradually moderating and shifting your stance to make it seem you’re explicitly anti Falcons

You defended Zenges from anyone who argued with him, while avoiding actually pushing the wolf.

You just described how to pocket someone.

Like, textbook

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:50 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:09 pm
VC 3 hours before EOD1.

Creature - 4 votes
Voters: Mayo the Mayo, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Scotty - 4 votes
Voters: Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet
SportPonies - 3 votes
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, miranda920
Dennis - 2 votes
Voters: Animal Midwife, Scotty
miranda920 - 2 votes
Voters: santygrass, SportPonies
falcon45ca - 1 votes
Voters: Zenge
Marmot - 1 votes
Voters: Dennis
pyxxy - 1 votes
Voters: genny
Zenge - 1 votes
Voters: NateTheLesser
Dennis seems outed. Possibly one between Miranda/Santy AND one between Miranda/Seanzie. Maybe Miranda is just outed. Probably no more wolves on Creature aside from Falcon. Probably at least one between Neon/Sloonei on Scotty here.
Explain vigorously pls
In the case of Dennis, he is voting off wagon on a slot that has been janitorised while two now dead town are voting for him. This is not towny, and the fact that no wolves were voting him at this time is also nagl.

Miranda, has a dead town and Santy voting them. It is unlikely, for much the same reasons, that a wolf would not be voting Miranda here if they were a town.

Ponies has 3 voters, 1 is a dead town, again, it is very likely a wolf is between the two of Miranda and Seanzie because of wagonomics rule of 3 votes.

That Miranda appears in two of these dichotomies doesn't bode well for Miranda.

Scotty is a direct counterwagon to a wolf. Creature was voting him. One two. Two remain. It is incredibly unlikely no further wolves were voting him at this time.

Interesting

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:48 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:47 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:21 pm

The Lawpyism thungy could be true and for them to be a wolf yeah. But I dont have much stock or a good Lawpy read rn
Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.

Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.
Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?
No pls

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:54 pm
This is reliant on you being village.

Which is yet to be proven

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:45 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm I'm sorting reads pls.

Who do you think is wolfing Lawpy?
I don’t think my POE changed significantly from before, which btw had falcons and creatures in it.

I’m wolfreading Nates, mayos and Slooneis. Largely because of end of D1 events for Nates + the initial Zenges vote. And how the latter two handled Zenges vs Falcons.
Lawpy has sided very strongly with Zenge in the Zenge vs. Sloonei dialogue on Day 1. I have been worried about this. I do not want to bring up bring up past events that are not relevant. But I think I have made myself clear that I do not believe Zenge was responding to my posts fairly or accurately. I believe others have expressed similar feelings. But I'm not interested in polling the room. I just want to note that Lawpy has used this issue to frame me as a suspect since subbing into the game without seeming to give much consideration to the other side of the coin.

Which I think multiple people saw on thread at the time. Lawwpy was using the argument to fuel the fire between you and zenge and try to drum up sus of me (which only makes sense if you are a wolf).

He wasn't actually pursuing falcon during this time, just using that to drive a wedge.

This is reliant on you being village.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:16 pm Anyways, I'd look into genny/mayo/miranda maybe today

Also Dennis.

Dennis/Miranda hmmyes
Mayo and Miranda seem fine to me. Genny is just a complete shrug.

What do you think of Lawpy/Dya? Dya was quite pivotal in saving Creature and ensuring Scotty went over d1.
The Lawpyism thungy could be true and for them to be a wolf yeah. But I dont have much stock or a good Lawpy read rn
Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.

Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.
Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:16 pm Anyways, I'd look into genny/mayo/miranda maybe today

Also Dennis.

Dennis/Miranda hmmyes
Mayo and Miranda seem fine to me. Genny is just a complete shrug.

What do you think of Lawpy/Dya? Dya was quite pivotal in saving Creature and ensuring Scotty went over d1.
The Lawpyism thungy could be true and for them to be a wolf yeah. But I dont have much stock or a good Lawpy read rn
Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.

Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.
Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?
The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:09 pm
VC 3 hours before EOD1.

Creature - 4 votes
Voters: Mayo the Mayo, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Scotty - 4 votes
Voters: Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet
SportPonies - 3 votes
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, miranda920
Dennis - 2 votes
Voters: Animal Midwife, Scotty
miranda920 - 2 votes
Voters: santygrass, SportPonies
falcon45ca - 1 votes
Voters: Zenge
Marmot - 1 votes
Voters: Dennis
pyxxy - 1 votes
Voters: genny
Zenge - 1 votes
Voters: NateTheLesser
Dennis seems outed. Possibly one between Miranda/Santy AND one between Miranda/Seanzie. Maybe Miranda is just outed. Probably no more wolves on Creature aside from Falcon. Probably at least one between Neon/Sloonei on Scotty here.

Explain vigorously pls

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:16 pm Anyways, I'd look into genny/mayo/miranda maybe today

Also Dennis.

Dennis/Miranda hmmyes
Mayo and Miranda seem fine to me. Genny is just a complete shrug.

What do you think of Lawpy/Dya? Dya was quite pivotal in saving Creature and ensuring Scotty went over d1.
The Lawpyism thungy could be true and for them to be a wolf yeah. But I dont have much stock or a good Lawpy read rn
Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.

Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.
Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:16 pm Anyways, I'd look into genny/mayo/miranda maybe today

Also Dennis.

Dennis/Miranda hmmyes
Mayo and Miranda seem fine to me. Genny is just a complete shrug.

What do you think of Lawpy/Dya? Dya was quite pivotal in saving Creature and ensuring Scotty went over d1.
The Lawpyism thungy could be true and for them to be a wolf yeah. But I dont have much stock or a good Lawpy read rn

Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.

Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.

@Lawpy -what did you do last night?

If you’re gonna lie, please make it convincing

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