The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:58 pm I forgot to mention I'm masons with Creature.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:54 pm

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:53 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:38 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:24 pm Here is my rainbow.



Kate/MacDougall
santygrass
S~V~S
DrWilgy/tutuu
Sloonei
potentialsheltervet
NateTheLesser
Mayo the Mayo
genny
Neon
SARdoghandler
mightyrunner7
miranda920
Seanzie
falcon45ca
Dennis
dyachei/Lawpy
Creature

Zenge?

Zenge

Zedge?

It's actually Zonge.

I heard it's Zinge

Rarely, it can even be Zunge.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:38 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:24 pm Here is my rainbow.



Kate/MacDougall
santygrass
S~V~S
DrWilgy/tutuu
Sloonei
potentialsheltervet
NateTheLesser
Mayo the Mayo
genny
Neon
SARdoghandler
mightyrunner7
miranda920
Seanzie
falcon45ca
Dennis
dyachei/Lawpy
Creature

Zenge?

Zenge

Zedge?

It's actually Zonge.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:43 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:37 pm I'm not opposed to a scum read on Lawpy. Mayo mentioned the lack of Lawpisms and that's something I've pointed out to Lawpy when we've wolfed together.
At the same time I didn't think dya was coming off scummy so ???

The Lawpyisms are there in my posts pls, i don’t overdo it on these forums because the players here aren’t familiar in how i post and i stepped in mid day. Just like i didn’t do this in another forum where i subbed in (and was village). And these are inconsistently used in my village games on SDN too, so it’s not really AI

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:37 pm I'm not opposed to a scum read on Lawpy. Mayo mentioned the lack of Lawpisms and that's something I've pointed out to Lawpy when we've wolfed together.
At the same time I didn't think dya was coming off scummy so ???

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:33 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:20 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:03 pm Hmm
Creature/Dennis/falcon/genny/Miranda(mayo?)
Sure.

Not marmot?

I really don't know what to do with that slot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:24 pm Here is my rainbow.



Kate/MacDougall
santygrass
S~V~S
DrWilgy/tutuu
Sloonei
potentialsheltervet
NateTheLesser
Mayo the Mayo
genny
Neon
SARdoghandler
mightyrunner7
miranda920
Seanzie
falcon45ca
Dennis
dyachei/Lawpy
Creature

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:03 pm Hmm
Creature/Dennis/falcon/genny/Miranda(mayo?)
Sure.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:51 pm

genny wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:50 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:41 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:40 pm @Zenge @SARdoghandler @mightyrunner7 @miranda920 Hey can we get some pressure on mayo?

whatdidmayodo?

It's what he hasn't done. He has not really tried to solve imo. He's been around here and there but mainly writing letters to Abigail and fluff disguised as content. He's never a highposter, but when present he does actually try to solve as town.
Same could be said for genny but mayo has been present more and is more at fault.

Every time i get caught up, something else comes up and then i'm 100 posts behind again.

But I will say that Mayo sounds like village!mayo to me. he's being open and forthcoming with the little bit of info he gives out, which is not a feeling i get when he's wolfing.

I've gotten the exact opposite vibe from him so I'm really surprised by this take.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:10 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:03 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:01 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:39 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:03 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:58 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:49 pm Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

Isn't this just a ranking of the baseline sus of the SDNers (except maybe the noob)?

Zenge/PSV are village read at baseline
Mayo, Genny, Nate are some level of sus at baseline

PSV gets misyeeted all the time. I’ve been misyeeted recently too. I wouldn’t say we’re village read at baseline

Everyone gets misyeeted from time to time.

If you are trying to say that you and PSV don't get a village benefit of the doubt and Genny and I aren't perma-sussed by people who can't read us, then you are being disingenuous.

She said she wasn't caught up, so maybe the reads list will evolve. This list lacks authenticity.

Okay but you're acting like me and Zenge can just fuck around and get town read. We have to fight to get town read every game and I've still been misyoten at least 25% of the games I've played the past six months. You're right that you and genny are sketchy villagers and are treated as such but it's disingenuous to suggest me and Zenge don't get scrutinized.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:01 am @Mayo the Mayo instead of resolving falcon/zenge as u expressed, may you please vig creature/marmot tonight (the one who doesnt get chopped today, probably creature?) please xoxo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:51 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:08 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:47 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:27 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:56 pm

Why not

Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.

Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.

reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.

IS that because you don't trust the logic that zenge would never accept an AM NK

or

Because you aren't convinced AM was the NK?

The former.

Especially when killing AM might be optimal for the rest of your team.

If it advantages you why wouldn't you do it?

Imagine the entire wolf team wanted AM dead and Zenge is just there pouting like "nope not doing it I'm boss". Unlikely.

Moreover making reads predicated on "so and so would never" when the thing is canon literally gives that person 1 free win for doing that whenever they so please.

I don't think Zenge is mafia. I think it's a bogus reason to townread Zenge though.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:50 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:48 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 am

you know what? good enough

if falcon is mafia here he can officially join the syndicate club of "be more towny as mafia than you are as town". about 70% of us syndicators are in this club, hence why mafia have won like 15 out of the 17 games played this year. but if it happens it happens. i think if u just go by simple logic - u townread falcon here

These two posts contradict each other. If mafia usually wins on this site, why would this site townreading falcon outweigh the sdn reads? Village wins very frequently there.

What

Are you saying people without meta have more accurate reads than people with meta?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:48 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:39 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:03 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:58 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:49 pm Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

Isn't this just a ranking of the baseline sus of the SDNers (except maybe the noob)?

Zenge/PSV are village read at baseline
Mayo, Genny, Nate are some level of sus at baseline

Such good observations from you have a cookie!

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:01 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:39 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:03 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:58 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:49 pm Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

Isn't this just a ranking of the baseline sus of the SDNers (except maybe the noob)?

Zenge/PSV are village read at baseline
Mayo, Genny, Nate are some level of sus at baseline

PSV gets misyeeted all the time. I’ve been misyeeted recently too. I wouldn’t say we’re village read at baseline

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 am

you know what? good enough

if falcon is mafia here he can officially join the syndicate club of "be more towny as mafia than you are as town". about 70% of us syndicators are in this club, hence why mafia have won like 15 out of the 17 games played this year. but if it happens it happens. i think if u just go by simple logic - u townread falcon here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:05 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.

That argument doesn’t look distracting to me and the peacemaker role is what’s actually making me wary

I’m interested to know who you’re wolfreading, if any, in this exchange

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:23 pm I still don't understand Nate's vote waterfalls. Maybe I should just stick to the rivers and the lakes that I'm used to.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm My usual vote spreadsheet bizniss.

Day 1 Votes
(The only note here is I don't actually know exactly when mayo's vote for Creature was, because I couldn't find an in thread vote post for it. It was sometime before the timestamp I have)


Waterfall


EOD Wagons

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:08 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:47 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:27 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:56 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:50 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:40 pm

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Nahhhh. Zenge is lock town, or at least lock not AM's killer. He's never participating in that NK imo.

Why not

Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.

Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.

reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:09 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:06 pm You feel good about miranda? Why?

Sounds like she did in Stardeww. My mother senses say spewing village

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:03 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:58 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:49 pm Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:02 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:57 pm Also I'm not even going to try to decipher mighty's posts today. I have no idea what he's saying.

Are posting curses a thing on SDN, or is this something totally new to y'all?

We have post restrictions. Typically they don't completely obfuscate what the poster is trying to say. For instance, I had one where I had to post only in blue text. I gave AM one where she had to post like Lawpy. Mayo gave me one where I had to post like a Civil War soldier writing home. You can still sorta get your point across. But with this I haven't the slightest clue what mighty is trying to say.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:07 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:02 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:57 pm Also I'm not even going to try to decipher mighty's posts today. I have no idea what he's saying.

Are posting curses a thing on SDN, or is this something totally new to y'all?

We have post restrictions. Typically they don't completely obfuscate what the poster is trying to say. For instance, I had one where I had to post only in blue text. I gave AM one where she had to post like Lawpy. Mayo gave me one where I had to post like a Civil War soldier writing home. You can still sorta get your point across. But with this I haven't the slightest clue what mighty is trying to say.

I've been able to discern some meaning or apparent attention from their posts. But it seems the Syndicate has more familiarity with heavier restrictions on these sorts of things. We've had post curses/restrictions that force people to post exclusively in images and stuff like that.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:15 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:13 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:08 pm Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

The pyxxy kill would be funny as a 3p kill, since he was 3p hunting yesterday.

He has been subtly enlarging it each game.

I've just now noticed how comparatively large your avatar's hand is. Looks like you're going to crush that martini glass.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:03 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:00 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:57 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:56 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:50 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:40 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:15 pm

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Nahhhh. Zenge is lock town, or at least lock not AM's killer. He's never participating in that NK imo.

Why not

She dies early very often and I'm morally opposed to it

I see

I assume it's to the point you would like veto a kill, them?

There is zero doubt in my mind that he would be absolutely enraged about it, as would I. I'm not sure who else of the SDNers would fit that (save the ones who are modding). I'll have to review the list.
It's a bit foggy given we know there are more than mafia and town and we don't know if there are 3p killing factions but assuming mafia killed AM, Zenge isn't mafia. This push on Falcon, whether Falcon is town or not, is absolutely vomiting town for Zenge anyhow.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm Never be NKing AM, oops

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:04 pm There are certain SDNers that would never be NKing this game. And frankly it's a rude move.

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:14 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:23 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:00 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:58 pm


Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:04 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:02 pm

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:53 pm Anyway, I'm home from work and definitely not going to get caught up in the hour remaining. So if someone has a tldr of the current lead wagons that would be awesome

Otherwise I'll probably just make a bad impulsive decision based on whoever's around right now and sets off the peter tingle

Here is my biased understanding (I'm voting Scotty):

Scotty had a moderate amount of activity, but the wolfhunt appeared to lack feeling. The reason for the vote on Dennis didn't make sense, and the outgoing message felt wolfy

Creature has been much less active that one would expect, and hasn't made any real contributions to wolfhunting

Doing an ISO on both should be helpful to you

@Mayo the Mayo mightyrunner just made a good one

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:01 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:28 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:47 pm

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:45 pm I’m town reading because despite the reads being on NAI posts it felt like a genuine effort!

Calling me a hippogriff because I playbowed and highposted is genuine effort?

To be fair, I don't think I've ever seen you post this much in a game.

I'm not complaining, I'm just used to you being roughly as far behind as I am.

You’re missing the point of that statement lol

But yeah, I was off yesterday and am off today. Helps that this game isn’t moving at breakneck Dubz speed too.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:52 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:44 pm Let it also be known that I’d *prefer* a syndiCat player to go first.

I was thinking about this, and as a game structural standpoint, I believe there to be an even number of players in each community on the mafia team. So I feel fine about one of my community going first

Why would you believe this, about the composition of the bad team? The host said in his roles post that there were more than two factions:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:40 pm Setup Information

The setup is probably best described as "semi-closed" (which may be synonymous with semi-open, but let's say it favors the closed side). The exact roles contained in the game are not explicitly public, but you shall be made aware of the kinds of roles that are possible.

Roles have been constructed from a pseudo-random process involving rolls of the dice (so I rolled the roles!) to gather ideas and build the skeleton of the game. From there though, the hosts have tweaked and tampered as they see fit to manage the fairest balance and most fun prospects we reasonably can. I will provide you with certain "rules" that apply to the design of the game, and you can trust that these rules are true and unchanging. They are as follows:

~ The game contains more than two factions.
~ The vast majority of role abilities can apply to members of any faction.
~ No player will ever have their faction changed (e.g., there is no recruitment mechanism).
~ Animal characters/flavor are entirely unrelated to both alignment/affiliation and role abilities.
~ Role abilities may exist in essentially any combination regardless of faction, if they exist at all. Solve each other, not the hosts.

I saw someone else speculating last night on bad team size. Would you consider a few 3P players a "Faction"? Or do you think it could be multiball? We don't really do multiball games here anymore, do they do them at SDN?

And from a perspective of being good hosts, I don't disagree with you that it would be more gracious, I guess, to not yeet new members on their first game here, but shouldn't you want to get the most suspish person in the context of this set up?

While I agree that Dennis has tweaked me a bit, do you honestly find him most suspish at this point? More than Pyxxy, who seems to be 3P hunting?

I am really not feeling this.

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Reading back over, I think Sloonei behaving as he did is NAI. He hasn't said enough outside of Falcongate otherwise to call a read for me. I think Falcon would have backed off sooner if he was bad, and would not have returned to the discussion. I think he's better than many at backing away from suspicions without getting pushback for it.

Zenge is a bit paradoxical for me. I think he believes what he's saying re Falcon. But I am not so sure I get the same sincerity in his exchanges with Sloonei.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:40 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:32 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:23 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:04 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.

This isn’t “calm and reason”.

They refused to actually answer the question I was asking. They said a lot of words without saying anything of meaning.

Reading it as an outsider to the argument, I think they are frustrated that it's been going on for a week and a half without either you or falcon really offering anything new.

Sloonei's post reads like trying to move the thread along. I would guess that's why they aren't engaging with your questions.

If falcon were to flip wolf, it wouldn't be a great look for Sloonei, but they wouldn't be the only person viewing the argument as V/V.

The issue I take with Sloonei, isn’t that they’re reading it as v/v.

It’s the way in which the initial response to me pushing Falcon was an attempt to shut down any conversation by saying “that’s just how Falcon is” without ever being willing to highlight specific parts of the interaction they agreed with and disagreed with, despite repeated requests to do so. Never once.

I think that's come through clearly in your posts, but it's clear they don't want to engage. I still think they seem like a villager who is tired of the same argument.

If your falcon tunnel is right, then it's more likely that I'm wrong about how I interpreted that post.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:32 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:23 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:04 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.

This isn’t “calm and reason”.

They refused to actually answer the question I was asking. They said a lot of words without saying anything of meaning.

Reading it as an outsider to the argument, I think they are frustrated that it's been going on for a week and a half without either you or falcon really offering anything new.

Sloonei's post reads like trying to move the thread along. I would guess that's why they aren't engaging with your questions.

If falcon were to flip wolf, it wouldn't be a great look for Sloonei, but they wouldn't be the only person viewing the argument as V/V.

The issue I take with Sloonei, isn’t that they’re reading it as v/v.

It’s the way in which the initial response to me pushing Falcon was an attempt to shut down any conversation by saying “that’s just how Falcon is” without ever being willing to highlight specific parts of the interaction they agreed with and disagreed with, despite repeated requests to do so. Never once.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:48 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

What tale does it tell?

I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.

I see you answered this, but I'm still not sure I understand your point in pointing out zenge's tagging AM for a question

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:20 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Oooo, care to eleaborate?

You've been dancing around the Zenge/Falcon/Sloonei drama but have seemingly been in every camp at this point

OoO fun! You're actually pushing me.

I ask you to put yourself into my POV. Falcon is not an option. This leaves Zenge/Sloonei. Both have done sushish things, but meh...

Do I really feel like I'm dancing? I feel like I'm nipping. To great effect.

Except that your POV isn't that falcon is town, it's that wolf falcon isn't worth your D1 attention.

Knowing Zenge's meta, I don't think it's possible he and Sloonei are W/W.

You are dancing from one to the other and willfully ignoring the third. That's three beats, so I guess it's a waltz or a muneut... though you seem spicy, so I wouldn't put a Fandango outside of your wheelhouse.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:48 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

What tale does it tell?

I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.

I see you answered this, but I'm still not sure I understand your point in pointing out zenge's tagging AM for a question

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:20 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Oooo, care to eleaborate?

You've been dancing around the Zenge/Falcon/Sloonei drama but have seemingly been in every camp at this point

OoO fun! You're actually pushing me.

I ask you to put yourself into my POV. Falcon is not an option. This leaves Zenge/Sloonei. Both have done sushish things, but meh...

Do I really feel like I'm dancing? I feel like I'm nipping. To great effect.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:37 am I found out that the animal I chooose was Joseph Heller. I am not quite sure, but most of my play has been based off my limited knowledge of them.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

What tale does it tell?

I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:20 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine