The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:51 pm We could flash LC or Baker...

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:52 pm I'm kiiiinda just hoping Stick is mafia.

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:55 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:19 pm has garebare posted at all today?

Not that I'm aware of and I'm not sure how we proceed on the slot.

Like assuming this is a 4 yeeter, we have 3 more misses. 2 if a 3 yeeter. Do we burn one to clean slot in a game where it's been generally difficult to build a PoE?

I think chopping into DM/Stick/LC will always result in 1 wolf minimum at worst

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:32 pm Thoughts: Stick looks much better D2 but a lot of the game also does. There's a few things in there that I can see coming from a townie mindset that aren't as preformatory such as the Scotty progression. Hedgey behavior towards Martin is still bad though.

Why is Stick hedging on Martin bad? Like I'm internally hedging the fuck out of Martin because his style is one that is easy to find scummy imo.

With Stick it feels more like "In keeping my options open on you" rather than I'm changing my conclusions on you. For whatever that's worth.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:32 pm

Spoiler: show

Stick d2 review

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:58 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:01 pm also, like

re "crazy"

I guess I could be crazy but honestly fuck that the opinion / not you, we have 250ish posts, several very low posting/contributing players, and I'm not consistently superb at playing mafia

right now I'm just trying, saying things, dumping whatever thoughts I have that might even be 10% relevant

contributing somehow in the hopes we all figure something out

maybe that constitutes crazy but like its not as if I can avoid being that if the circumstances promote it or whatever

ok i know i just said i had a townlean on you but this is giving performative wolf vibes again im sorry flsdfl

More hedging on the Martin alot lol

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:01 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:02 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!

I give this vote a B-

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:53 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine i wont stop a falcon wagon tho

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:54 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

ok ill consolidate here lol

I give this vote a C-, borderline F.

Voting a wagon while hedging a town? Makes me just want to townread LC by association with this vote.

baker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:54 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

please don't die martin

these wolves will rip me apart!!!

I give this vote a C- as well.
I don’t know baker as a player, but this screams performative, and not in the one winning any awards

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:12 pm [VOTE: Falc] aubergine I've missed you buddy

I give this vote a B+
Being that it was the initial vote and stayed there for the last 2 hours of the day, while Wilgy was involved and present, is not incredibly suspicious.

Gotta be honest, I came into today based on backreading comments at end of day wanting Wilgy’s head, but I don’t think his vote on that wagon is the most suspicious after looking at the votes in iso.

Baker had seemingly no reason to vote falcon based on what’s shown. It could be said Stick was just looking to ‘consolidate their vote’ which is a towny quality in binary terms, but the post voting for LC while shrugging about the falcon vote was super weird to me.

this is...a pretty ok analysis of those votes, ill say. mostly because i think your assessment of what my vote there looks reasonable and id have agreed with it if those posts werent made my me LOL

agreement with Scotty's review

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:03 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.

Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.

My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.

Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.

Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.

Weird implying I was part of the pile on.

10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter

Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?

You weren’t. You started it- I clarified in my next post.

I think you came out of that looking townier, which is annoying because I really thought I had you

okay this is a pretty townie development of thought ngl

into townie process actually seems like reasonable progression

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:19 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:35 am @Stick what happened with the first point? so much for believing falcon was town then being a part of the vote to lynch them at end of day 1....

nah i only said that to see how falcon would react to it lol. i wouldve townread them if theyd just accepted that garbage read but instead they went on to explain their meta and how they do this every game which was a response i'd chalked up to NAI. my thought was: wolves would feel bound to correct someone reading them on those grounds so as to not come off as opportunistic about accepting naked townreads on them, whereas villagers generally dont actually care about these things that early in the game and ignore it/accept the read in a nonserious way. i thought their response was ultimately just nai though cuz town can point out inaccurate rationales just as well. falcon reacting to my read in the alternative way wouldve been more telling. /shrug

Checks out

After this there's a bunch of back and forth with dm that seems decently akin to my own thoughts prior to DM joining the game fully.

Thoughts: Stick looks much better D2 but a lot of the game also does. There's a few things in there that I can see coming from a townie mindset that aren't as preformatory such as the Scotty progression. Hedgey behavior towards Martin is still bad though.
The DM interactions of recent can be seen 2 ways.
1. Town spotted the same omgus behavior that DM tends to do as any alignment and reads it as scummy (easy to do I think as I'm still borderline on the slot with only slight townie pings from other solving behavior I see from DM)
2. Wolf with pressure saw that DM could be a pivotable CW and is in effort to take it.

Conclusion.

I'd put Stick at like the bottom of yellow. Above null but below town leans. Stick can be a wolf, there's some merit to it in interactions with DM, LC, and Martin. Stick can be T, there's some to merit to it in interactions with Abi, DM, Scotty. I'd not flip right now, but also wouldn't cry about it. I think other wolf reads take priority than the hedgey Stick slot.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:02 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:45 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:57 am though unless DM tries to pivot off or unvote, ill assume there's only 1 wolf between baker and DM

[VOTE: DM] aubergine

Feeling wild

Aha, they did pivot off. called it lmao

[VOTE: Darling Monroe] aubergine

pivot off where? are we playing the same game?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:54 pm Stick
4
36%
Voters: Master Radishes, DarlingMonroe, MartinGG99, DrWilgy

Either Stick is a wolf here and everyone is town or a wolf or two is on here

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:45 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:57 am though unless DM tries to pivot off or unvote, ill assume there's only 1 wolf between baker and DM

[VOTE: DM] aubergine

Feeling wild

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:46 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:03 pm Are we gonna talk about the no kill actually? Do we think we have another protective or do we think wolves are asleep?

im pretty sure kills are compulsive? so it had to have been a doc or a roleblock/jailkeep

Was this confirmed somewhere?

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:05 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:03 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:59 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:57 am I mean, technically you were my second biggest scum read, so its not really OMGUS when you were already someone I had as a contender to place my vote on; like I had stated, a couple of your posts + other players I townread voting for you, were just strong enough reasons to go comfortably switch my vote from baker to you

you still havent explained why im a SR to you though, im asking for the third time (kindly)

you were one of the votes for falcon, and out of the 4, you ping me the most right now

yes okay, im asking you to elucidate what makes my content pingy to you. and youre also contracting yourself because youve said baker's vote was the worst

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:03 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:59 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:57 am I mean, technically you were my second biggest scum read, so its not really OMGUS when you were already someone I had as a contender to place my vote on; like I had stated, a couple of your posts + other players I townread voting for you, were just strong enough reasons to go comfortably switch my vote from baker to you

you still havent explained why im a SR to you though, im asking for the third time (kindly)

you were one of the votes for falcon, and out of the 4, you ping me the most right now

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:57 am I mean, technically you were my second biggest scum read, so its not really OMGUS when you were already someone I had as a contender to place my vote on; like I had stated, a couple of your posts + other players I townread voting for you, were just strong enough reasons to go comfortably switch my vote from baker to you

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:47 am DM has now done two things I actually noticed that I think are a bit towny. So no, Stick, we shall not team up at this juncture. Soz.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:27 am

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:13 am im not bashing you, DM - im simply calling it like i see it, obviously i could be wrong. help me find you as village if youre a villager?


can you answer my question about your read on abbi? seeing your thought process might help my read


unvoting you for now as an olive branch


[VOTE: The Papists (host/spec)] aubergine


also, what do you really find scummy about me specifically? just the vote on you?

to me abi is playing like all the times ive played with them, and all those times Abi was town; so id say she lean civ for me

and also every game someone always suspect her and insists theyre bad, which is natural, but shes been good everytime and her gameposts here seem like her townself

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:47 am

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:21 am actually no, i want this more today:

[VOTE: Darling Monroe] aubergine





@Master Radishes let's join forces and vote DM

I've paid no attention to DM's posts tbh so no opinion.

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:21 am actually no, i want this more today:

[VOTE: Darling Monroe] aubergine





@Master Radishes let's join forces and vote DM

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:14 am So can someone explain what is the difference between garebare/Abi/robyn/me? FMPOV I am busy but trying my best to contribute with posts - contrary to Scotty/Martin calling me performative I actually had nothing calculated. robyn is yet to vote or push anyone and Abi is similary not taking any active participation. Garebare is a player in this game, i remember only one post from them. Are we all town and LHF? There is a good chance. Just because I sticked my head out a bit, I got 4 votes on me, makes me think we got a wolf pretending to solve the game

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:13 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:08 pm Edit: I have to get off around this time for IRL reasons, but didn't think I would be taking this long. So you all have this partial post. I will be back in like ~4-4.5 hours or so. Guaranteed.

I'm caught up. Going to compile my thoughts.

I think Scotty and Wilgy both got a good handle on this game, and if they somehow don't they will soon.

[VOTE: Baker] aubergine

Baker's posts d2 have not been great and he didn't really continue his sheeping attitude, which makes me lean performative for him. Also his poking at me about a supposed appeal by Scotty was just....like manipulative lol. As if he thought I wouldn't believe him as much in his read unless he tried to manipulate me on some nit-pick.

Stick has dropped a bit for me, but not significant enough that I would vote them. Edit-while-writing: Will add more to this later.

I can imagine a towny perspective from DM, doesn't feel very in-depth and kinda low-level but they've been consistently that way with their posts I think and I find that believable.

More thoughts here when I come back.

I may have lost a few thoughts. But, anyways:

What sticks out to me about stick (sorry, legal obligation to make that once and its a crime that nobody this game has yet) as of late is that their interaction with me seemed weirdly suggestive earlier but unwilling to declare anything. They were more or less saying that I was having a selective perspective or take or whatever in the quote below, but don't really say anything of it other than some light probing. No saying I'm scummy or anything like that. That doesn't occur till they get "performative wolf vibes" from me later with respect to my reaction to Scotty's "crazy" comment. If I wanted to stretch this further, it felt like something a wolf might do if they see potential opportunities to renege on a townread but don't necessarily want to just yet.

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:49 am [Snipped by martin] what if abbi is a wolf? you dont seem to consider that world here, because in w!abbi worlds wolves wouldve jumped on any counter wagon imo

Upon thorough-er reading I think Master Radishes is decently good. Mild town, though I kinda feel like he's constructing his posts a bit (see 428 , 430, and 433 and consider the timing of what he is quoting across these posts) but displaying them sorta as if they were real-time. I think its ultimately fine, as I think we're all guilty of constructing our posts from time to time as any alignment so that we can make a point, but it does worry me a bit.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:52 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:45 pm This post

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:25 am [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine poke poke

i know you just said youre busy and that you can play tomorrow but...until then!!

was bad. She's making busywork by 'poking' someone who has openly said they aren't going to be able to play till later. What was it supposed to achieve? Nothing productive - just makes her look like she's doing something.

I'm going to go iso Stick now and find confbiasy reasons to support this ping.

In her defense, sticks are known for poking

And you were not exactly lighting up the thread with content

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:57 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm @baker @Stick @DrWilgy @MartinGG99


i hope you guys sat down and reflected on your actions overnight

Out of context (I haven't really read EoD1) this is a performative post. She later says it was lighthearted or whatever but I don't really see where the jokey bit of it is?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:03 pm Are we gonna talk about the no kill actually? Do we think we have another protective or do we think wolves are asleep?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:44 pm

baker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:03 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:25 am [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine poke poke

i know you just said youre busy and that you can play tomorrow but...until then!!

this is an ok prod tbh given the gamestate

What? No it isn't. It's lazy. I've been clear about my lack of time so far and poking an inactive like me is obviously going to do nothing.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:26 pm And I don't tie wagons

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:26 pm I didn't vote because the options were me or someone I thought was townier than me lol

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:20 pm
Baker, willing to consider. I feel everyone scumreads Princess A, so idk.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:16 pm his comment really does nothing for you, town OR the gamestate yet you felt the need to do it?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:55 am Just gonna put this down here, but your crack back suspicion looks exactly the same as it did when you were wolf in timelines:
viewtopic.php?p=1093219#p1093219

Small sample size, but I can see it

[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine to give baker some space to cool jets

this feels either as lazy town play or bad sneak wolf move, didnt you read how literally right after that another "sample size" was brought up about me doing that as town in severance...

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:11 pm

baker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:29 pm I’m gonna say I want to just townread BOTH Martin and stick until I see otherwise that we’re being powerwolfed.

Martin has some weird assumptions and if there’s a more *likely* wolf between the two, it’s him. But for sake of town voices, I’ll hang my pants on their flagpole

I think my worldview lines up with yours and sticks.

DM and Baker are on the scummier side of things, still relatively inactive with the exception of bakers responses to you.

Garebare, Robyn, and MR are inactive in a way that feels truly null.

Long Con and Abi are active enough and there's been nothing immediately suspect about those two.

You, Martin and Stick are active and I find I at least agree with most of what's stated from you/Stick and Martin has at least shown things I see from a townie perspective.

oh good sir please explain how we are on the scummier side of things. i really want to hear what are those things

Yeah, just like falcon was on the scummier side of things

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:31 am Thoughts on me stick?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:42 am this is not wilgy town play, at all

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:35 am @Stick what happened with the first point? so much for believing falcon was town then being a part of the vote to lynch them at end of day 1....