The Syndicate

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm Good job to @Gira for getting the correct solve
Absolutely. Gira and Dizzy in particular had incredibly accurate solves, which is precisely why we had to discredit them and shout them down to such a degree. At many, many points I felt like Gira singlehandedly rendered the game unwinnable for us; this proved not to be the case but. y'all do not even know how lucky we got. we played hard and well but we also got SO FREAKING LUCKY.

I feel especially bamboozled by you because pyxxy was rooting for you so hard behind the scenes

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:14 pm I take it back. I did write a really nice poem.

And a really nice tunnel

Next time I suck at WW just accept I suck at WW

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm Why was there a difference between role descriptions for myself and Ted @JaggedJimmyJay ? The first part seems the same or nearly so
You had different roles. You were a standard Watcher, and tedxtr was a "limited" Watcher (could not detect night kills).

So I would have been able to detect night kills?

Oops didn't mean. To post that twice what the heck

Why was there a difference between role descriptions for myself and Ted @JaggedJimmyJay ? The first part seems the same or nearly so

Why was there a difference between role descriptions for myself and Ted @JaggedJimmyJay ? The first part seems the same or nearly so

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

Disagree with wilgy wagon

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:43 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:42 pm if it's 5-4 today, in your thread, who would alexey be paired with?
IMO I don't really know cuz they could be paired with anyone which does leave a lot of options, but it also leaves the door open for Alexy just to be town which is where my paranoia there comes from

Like there isn't really anything there connecting Alexy to anybody and everyone has kinda been against Alexy and IDK if that's exactly a wolf thing. Nobody has defended the slot outside of "mech"

Pyxxy strongly agrees

@Ranmilia pyxxy would like you to iso leetic to gather that they are open wolfing

@Jackofhearts2005 per pyxxy you are being blinded by leetic's past play

He also states that Wilgy doesn't care enough about remaining alive to be a wolf.

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:00 pm Living Players

@Alexy - posts
@Cape90 - posts
@DrWilgy - posts
Dubz / @RondoDimBuckle - posts
@leetic - posts
@potentialsheltervet - posts
@☆Princess Abigail☆ - posts
@Ranmilia - posts
@tedxtr - posts

You're alive. Please review the new rules in the first post before proceeding.

@DarlingMonroe has been removed from the game.

Spoiler: show
You’re a severed employee working at Lumon Industries (town).

You begin the game knowing that [redacted] is also aligned with the town. You may share a separate behind-the-scenes chat space in the Discord Hub provided by the host.

@Bereft has been removed from the game.

@tutuu has been removed from the game.

Spoiler: show
You're a severed employee working at Lumon Industries (town).

You have no special abilities.

Day Five will is underway. You have 48 hours to vote someone out.

NOTE: While this is not technically an "endgame" phase in the classical sense, it is possible for the game to end this cycle. The only certain path to continuation is by voting out a mafia member.

Does this not indicate bereft is town? Like, i know spoiler is under tutu but I feel like it just applies to both players it's under??

Isn't Brad lime coke? Who was a wolf...? Why do we care what they thought?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:22 pm If it's really between DrWilgy and Alexy, that's a 50% anyway? Same as the chances of voting out a wolf in my thread. Still, the bigger problem is that none of those options are picking up steam

Sounds a little like admitting you know the number of wolves left from your thread, no?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:15 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.
Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?
We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.
Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?
At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.
That's not an accurate characterization of my play from last game but fine. I have been tunneling you this game because I feel like you haven't really given many thoughts or ideas. You've been floating when you're here and I find that curious.

Have you ever played with me before? When have I ever given many thoughts or ideas?

In any case, that's fine, but I don't think it's a good enough case to vote me off today vs. someone on the night thread.

I (and pyxxy) feel that 10-3-1 (my thread) and 10-3 (night thread) make the most sense, and statistically we are better off voting off from night thread. He is also in disbelief that leetic had sleepwalked pyxxy and dysmade, and now wants to vote outside of their home thread.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.
Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?
We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.
Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?

At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.
Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Pyxxy wonders why leetic needs to defend themselves with saying they have the more believable claim. He also believes Ran is right re: a wolf in Ted or leetic. Bereft death could also point to leetic as a role cop because leetic visited bereft on night 1. Along with this, leetic's claim at the start of day 2 made sure everyone would see it.

@Ranmilia pyxxy is asking whether you think leetic could be a role cop with X amount of shots. He's saying that leetic may be stalling with IIOA to see what others do.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:57 am
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:47 am some more from pyxxy.

Apparently earlier in the game Abi had been masoning Rondo, so turning on him now is suspicious. Perhaps an attempt to take advantage of the Rondo wagon previous cycle. My not knowing about the masoning should be evidence that this is indeed coming from Pyxxy. He also suggests (although I can't tell if it was a suggestion to me or to everyone) that folks reread the game in which Abi spewed something about Rondo town framing. Paraphrasing is hard when you don't know what they're talking about lmao
can you ask like... the name of the game in question? not sure I understand this.

I misunderstood. He meant reread your thread from that perspective.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:47 am Now, my holdup here that is a problem this game is that I'm by no means a mechanical player.

Does anyone see or can point out to me exact points of mech contention between players and why?

I assume they exist between Ted/Alexy? Does Leetics present one as well?

I think the issue is that in Ted's role description, there's a stipulation that he can't track kills. Mine doesn't say anything like that, rather just that I'll be told who visited the player I chose that night.

some more from pyxxy.

Apparently earlier in the game Abi had been masoning Rondo, so turning on him now is suspicious. Perhaps an attempt to take advantage of the Rondo wagon previous cycle. My not knowing about the masoning should be evidence that this is indeed coming from Pyxxy. He also suggests (although I can't tell if it was a suggestion to me or to everyone) that folks reread the game in which Abi spewed something about Rondo town framing. Paraphrasing is hard when you don't know what they're talking about lmao

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:10 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:47 am Now, my holdup here that is a problem this game is that I'm by no means a mechanical player.

Does anyone see or can point out to me exact points of mech contention between players and why?

I assume they exist between Ted/Alexy? Does Leetics present one as well?
The relevant claims are as such:

Alexy claims 2 shot watcher (no additional stipulations)
- n1 PSV, saw scotty, scotty apparently confirmed going to PSV (can you/someone from work thread check the order on this though? who claimed first?)
- n2 Long Con, saw no one visiting

Ted claims 2 shot watcher that "cannot see kills"
- n1 attempted Macdougall, was roleblocked (by WWA who confirmed this and flipped)
- n2 WWA, saw no non killing visits (WWA was nightkilled)

Leetic claims 3 shot tracker (no additional stipulations)
- n1 Bereft, visited no one
- n2 attempted Ted, claims roleblocked/no feedback?
- n3 Abigail, visited no one

also relevant here is:
WWA flipped 2 shot roleblocker
- n1 confirmed in thread that she blocked ted
- n2 she died, did not claim a target in the day, allegedly also did not claim when she was in work thread with Long Con?

... which all adds up to a pile of not helpful. Nothing in any of this is confirmed except possibly alexy seeing scotty, if alexy claimed it first.

Ted/leetic have put forth various arguments for their credibility but they are based on setup spec and circumstantial evidence, nothing actually confirmable or conflicting.

can confirm I claimed it first

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am hOI i'm back. parents are visiting. depending on what they want to do i will either be around a lot or not at all... might miss eod, might also just stay up all the way to then, i dunno, whee.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:16 am
Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:04 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?
Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic
The problem, though, is that if ted is a wolf Windward and I are the only town PRs on my side. Given that your side seems to have quite a few, I'm not sure how believable that is.
i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

@Alexy What else has pyxxy been saying?

Pyxxy has said that he believes in you. Also, that mechanical actions performed on one thread appear to have an effect on both threads (I think that's been widely accepted already, but I suppose he wants to remind us) - the TSP kill from your thread is apparently evidence of this. Feel free to ask anything specific if you're worried I'm not relaying his (paraphrased) words!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:48 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:42 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:37 pm I'm here. Sorry. I'm a grad student and my days don't tend to slow down much especially recently. That's really the only explanation I can offer for my "low impact" slot.

My role is a 2 shot watcher on any day I chose. I didn't see a reason to hold out so night 1 I watched psv. Scotty visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con, no one visited them.

I meant any night I chose, not any day, just to be clear with the verbiage
Did Scotty corroborate your claim, and can you track kills?
oh yeah like that, Long Con also claimed to visit PSV though that same night

I don't think that's true. Long Con said that they blocked Scotty the night I watched PSV.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:15 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:49 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:37 pm I'm here. Sorry. I'm a grad student and my days don't tend to slow down much especially recently. That's really the only explanation I can offer for my "low impact" slot.

My role is a 2 shot watcher on any day I chose. I didn't see a reason to hold out so night 1 I watched psv. Scotty visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con, no one visited them.
Also why psv?
A couple reasons. I was a bit suspicious of her because of her level of activity which seemed to be higher than the last game we played together in which she was town. (This still holds, although she hasn't been around a ton over the past several days but I think that's due to the holiday. Her fairly consistent push on me has been weird to me as well. I'm remembering now that on the day we voted off lime coke, she voted for me and not for him at the very end of day, which I felt odd as well. I recognize I didn't place a vote at all on that day, but I had mistakenly thought we had another day due to the holiday.) Secondly, if memory serves correctly there was some suspicion of her from other players on the first day. So I felt it was a good choice.
Why would you watch the "suspicious" players? That's the opposite of how watcher is typically played

I've never played a watcher nor do I know the nuances. That makes sense though. So an error on my part.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:53 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:51 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:48 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:42 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:37 pm I'm here. Sorry. I'm a grad student and my days don't tend to slow down much especially recently. That's really the only explanation I can offer for my "low impact" slot.

My role is a 2 shot watcher on any day I chose. I didn't see a reason to hold out so night 1 I watched psv. Scotty visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con, no one visited them.

I meant any night I chose, not any day, just to be clear with the verbiage
Did Scotty corroborate your claim, and can you track kills?
Yes, see above, and no not to my knowledge. It doesn't say that as part of my role. And my results were simply if the watched person was visited by another player
tedxtr claims that the role specifically says that he can't track kills. His claimed targets happen to be the nightkills of D1 and D2.

Mine just says on 2 separate nights I can select someone and I will be told who visited them during the night.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:49 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:37 pm I'm here. Sorry. I'm a grad student and my days don't tend to slow down much especially recently. That's really the only explanation I can offer for my "low impact" slot.

My role is a 2 shot watcher on any day I chose. I didn't see a reason to hold out so night 1 I watched psv. Scotty visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con, no one visited them.
Also why psv?

A couple reasons. I was a bit suspicious of her because of her level of activity which seemed to be higher than the last game we played together in which she was town. (This still holds, although she hasn't been around a ton over the past several days but I think that's due to the holiday. Her fairly consistent push on me has been weird to me as well. I'm remembering now that on the day we voted off lime coke, she voted for me and not for him at the very end of day, which I felt odd as well. I recognize I didn't place a vote at all on that day, but I had mistakenly thought we had another day due to the holiday.) Secondly, if memory serves correctly there was some suspicion of her from other players on the first day. So I felt it was a good choice.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:48 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:42 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:37 pm I'm here. Sorry. I'm a grad student and my days don't tend to slow down much especially recently. That's really the only explanation I can offer for my "low impact" slot.

My role is a 2 shot watcher on any day I chose. I didn't see a reason to hold out so night 1 I watched psv. Scotty visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con, no one visited them.

I meant any night I chose, not any day, just to be clear with the verbiage
Did Scotty corroborate your claim, and can you track kills?

Yes, see above, and no not to my knowledge. It doesn't say that as part of my role. And my results were simply if the watched person was visited by another player

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:26 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:43 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:26 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:40 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:13 pm

ted claims watcher when alexy also claims watcher...

hmm
sounds to me like alexey is cleared

nobody is claiming town tracker from your thread?
no tracker

How r they cleared?
What were the full details of Alexy's claim? Does theirs differ from ted's in terms of number of shots or what they can watch?
i literally said in thread

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:16 pm Alexy had these notes for their watcher ability which is also 2-shot

N1 - PSY visited by Scotty
N2 - Long Con visited by no one
they claimed near the end of day 2
Did they specify whether or not they could track kills?
And have their claims been corroborated?

Scotty had corroborated that he visited psv night 1 yes

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:37 pm I'm here. Sorry. I'm a grad student and my days don't tend to slow down much especially recently. That's really the only explanation I can offer for my "low impact" slot.

My role is a 2 shot watcher on any day I chose. I didn't see a reason to hold out so night 1 I watched psv. Scotty visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con, no one visited them.

I meant any night I chose, not any day, just to be clear with the verbiage

I'm here. Sorry. I'm a grad student and my days don't tend to slow down much especially recently. That's really the only explanation I can offer for my "low impact" slot.

My role is a 2 shot watcher on any day I chose. I didn't see a reason to hold out so night 1 I watched psv. Scotty visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con, no one visited them.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:15 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.
Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?

all I remember is tutu got one on day 2

@leetic pyxxy says you could provide us with a shadow vote history (please)?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:54 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:50 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:44 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:43 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:33 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:21 pm I had an extra vote placed on me during the last cycle for whatever that's worth, I had it on D3 as well.
So you are paired with me / made(dizzy)?
huh?
nvm I didnt read. You would have been our D3 vote?
still not sure what you mean.

I got 2 separate messages that said the same thing regarding the shadow vote. the first time it was at the start of my thread's d3, 11/20, and the second was at the start of my thread's d4, 11/22.
are you even playing the same game as me?

Or are things different in thread 2?

You vote, we get +1s to our linked companions
We vote, you get +1's to your linked companions.

Or so I have understood the setup

is that actually the setup though or is that the hypothesis of the setup

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:44 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:43 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:33 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:21 pm I had an extra vote placed on me during the last cycle for whatever that's worth, I had it on D3 as well.
So you are paired with me / made(dizzy)?
huh?
nvm I didnt read. You would have been our D3 vote?

still not sure what you mean.

I got 2 separate messages that said the same thing regarding the shadow vote. the first time it was at the start of my thread's d3, 11/20, and the second was at the start of my thread's d4, 11/22.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:33 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:21 pm I had an extra vote placed on me during the last cycle for whatever that's worth, I had it on D3 as well.
So you are paired with me / made(dizzy)?

huh?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:23 pm
Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:21 pm I had an extra vote placed on me during the last cycle for whatever that's worth, I had it on D3 as well.
Are you pyxxy's partner?

Yes, was just making a post to say this. they'd called me town over on my thread based on our discord DMs. they can't post on thread anymore.

pyxxy is also of the opinion that since we'd voted off 2 wolves and one 3p, the remaining wolves are likely to be from your thread

I had an extra vote placed on me during the last cycle for whatever that's worth, I had it on D3 as well.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:07 pm Also Porscha was removed from the game last night for over posting

this is a thing?

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