The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:46 am [VOTE: Dame Monroe] aubergine

Your voting history has been so interesting. Too erratic to be wolf, too chaotic to be town. It’s giving very much 3rd party.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:00 am Scrappy Doo - #486 I feel like this was a weird thing to bring up to Long Con. I also know Scrappy looked into the haiku "post restriction" thing which i dont think was a real post restriction thing at all. Scrappy also had me as town at a point where I don't think I was that towny. I would keep an eye on Scrappy Doo. I don't think Scrappy has been towny in this thread. Out of the sock puppet accounts, scrappy sure looks better though.

sig - I will just straight up say it, I think sig might just be 3p #249 speaks to me in that way at least, also sig literally immediately voted falcon coming into this thread, which if wolf with falc, is a questionable move. Now is emoji restricting... I am guessing themselves with Ricochet. I could tinfoil them both being mafia because of this, but I feel like I have bigger fish to fry.

NANOOK - #1384 this has to be a meta read. Also I think it might just be a towny meta read. I think NANOOK has terrible suspicions though and I would like to be proven wrong, he moved from Sabi/Dizzy/Lemonfairy with also said suspicion on Epignosis. #188/#211/#214 are interactions with PA that I dont think are w/w? Consider me having a mixed opinion here.

DrWilgy - I have already shared the same thought that Master Radishes did about DrWilgy's falcon hard push looking partnered. If there is a thing that makes me a bit skeptical of my suspicion on DrWilgy, it's how they have talked about DarlingMonroe

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:41 pm I'm pretty sure Falcon is fine to yeet.

They are here and they haven't quite done anything about their wagon.

T Falc definitely cracks back strong and with their own solving.

DM is responding exactly like how I'd expect from them as town.

The fact that I have no memory of Delta in this thread but we have votes there is worth a note. If Falc wasn't a wagon I'd likely vote there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:06 am All the DM voters are players that weren't in the same thread as them.

Wild.

@DarlingMonroe thoughts on these?

I mean, it's nice being read correctly as town but that doesnt clear Wilgy 100% for me. If anyone doesn't hesitate to vote their partners, its Wilgy wolf so him voting out Lime + falcon could still be non-town of him. But alas, he leans town for me right now. And only confident about Lemon/Radishes wolf + Windward town.

Wilgy/Nanook/Nutella/Cape/Dyslexicon could go either way, but if i had to rank them is in that order.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:57 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Uhhhh
I was probably just right yesterday and you are all being noobs

MR Kinda towny upon relooking and the recent Sloonei comments

What do you feel about falcon’s initial posts here all included Master Radishes. Was falcon trying to rope MR or where they just comfortable with each other if they are both W/W.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:54 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:53 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:34 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:28 am I am slamming my fists on the table telling people that Sloonei is not a civilian.

In D2, Sloonei explicitly said that falcon was a wolf and not pyxxy's partner. Do you think he would be so open about that were him and falcon paired?

That almost sounds like Sloonei knew about it being multi ball but I'm ignoring that thought because he's probably just town

I assumed it was multiball from the start, yes. This was a prominent topic of conversation in the West.

Why would you assume it was multi ball from start? That pings tbh. It never even crossed my mind until the other color and name showed up in falcon and everything started clicking. It feels more natural that mafia wolves would be inclined to assume it was multi ball from start tbh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:28 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:27 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:24 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:20 am @DarlingMonroe Who is town?

From East, I just feel confident about Windward. From west, Leetic is the one that gives me most town vibes.

Is there nobody else you'd be willing to give a town read to right now?

Nope, not at all. It goes from town read Windward to wolf read Radishes & Lemon. And everyone in between could go either way. At least with East side players.

What's stopping you from reading nutella as town?

Yeah, Nutella gives me more town than wolf but I’m not confident she isn’t wolf. She could be aligned with Lime’s mafia. Or not. Her not voting falcon really gave me pause.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:27 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:20 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:19 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:13 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:10 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:36 am Lemon/Radishes w/w

I mean if you are town here I will help you out

Lemonfairy is obviously town from my perspective.

If you want to have mafias win be my guest

How can Lemon be obviously town? Even if you’re a part of one mafia, there’s still the other.

The legacy postings of yesterday were ultra towny. Don't think that is wolf. Lemon's process in terms of solving the game seems to be from the towns perspective. Lemon even was like commenting about wanting to get voted/shot by vig because of their legacy

Sounds like town that wants to be heard to me.

Also look at the other people there.

Davos, who I don't trust at all, they are literally doing nothing unlike the other sock puppet account.

And NANOOK who I also think is trending down pretty hard.

And I don't really trust you but that's besides the point I'm making towards you

I feel lemon is just very cautious wolf.

What does that even mean?

That I still wolf read Lemon even though some of his posts have ‘town perspective’ as you call it. There’s a reason it’s Day 4 and they hadn’t been caught.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:24 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:20 am @DarlingMonroe Who is town?

From East, I just feel confident about Windward. From west, Leetic is the one that gives me most town vibes.

Is there nobody else you'd be willing to give a town read to right now?

Nope, not at all. It goes from town read Windward to wolf read Radishes & Lemon. And everyone in between could go either way. At least with East side players.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:20 am @DarlingMonroe Who is town?

From East, I just feel confident about Windward. From west, Leetic is the one that gives me most town vibes.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:20 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:46 am Why are so concerned like if I was voting you? Could you make it more obvious you all are wolf partners.

If MR is a wolf partner of lemon fairy, why would he ask for you to vote him over lemon fairy?

My phone is putting the space in lemon's username

I have no idea. If MR is town, why would they want to save lemon if they don’t know if Lemon is town? It’s giving wolf defending wolf.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:19 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:13 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:10 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:36 am Lemon/Radishes w/w

I mean if you are town here I will help you out

Lemonfairy is obviously town from my perspective.

If you want to have mafias win be my guest

How can Lemon be obviously town? Even if you’re a part of one mafia, there’s still the other.

The legacy postings of yesterday were ultra towny. Don't think that is wolf. Lemon's process in terms of solving the game seems to be from the towns perspective. Lemon even was like commenting about wanting to get voted/shot by vig because of their legacy

Sounds like town that wants to be heard to me.

Also look at the other people there.

Davos, who I don't trust at all, they are literally doing nothing unlike the other sock puppet account.

And NANOOK who I also think is trending down pretty hard.

And I don't really trust you but that's besides the point I'm making towards you

I feel lemon is just very cautious wolf.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:18 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:15 am All I’ve seen you done this thread is follow Epi’s lead based on nothing on me, and today you have continued to do nothing else but so, even when admitting you wolf read Epi, yet not even voting him.

??? You’re so incoherent like only wolves are

I do not know anybody's alignment and am operating with multiple possible realities in my head at once.

With that said, it is entirely possible for Epi to be mafia AND for Epi to have a reason to confidently and bluntly call you mafia as well.

And where is the possibility that he’s wrong and I’m civ at? Because apparently you forgot that could happen and that’s the case here.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:13 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:11 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:07 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:28 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:38 am Cape is worth revisiting though.

Had you been wolves partner with Lime, would you have joined the wagon and voted him out or would you have thrown a vote elsewhere?

When I first saw you as town, you OMGUSED the people who pushed you. Have you drastically changed the way you play when you are town?

Hmmm what are you talking about?

I think I might have been wolf and noticed that you would suspect people who pushed you.

That's what I mean by OMGUSED

Well, most of the time the people that OMGUSED me are wolves (you and Lime that game, Falcon and Abby this game).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:11 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:38 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

I deliberately defended Falcon.

You did as well, and you cited me as a reason to vote DarlingMonroe.

Then you went after me. Why?

I had qualms with the reasoning behind your defense of Falcon yesterday but, barring his flip, I had no explicit reason to suspect you.

At the same time, I thought the bluntness of your DarlingMonroe suspicion suggested a level of confidence that I could trust completely. That would be the case regardless of your alignment. Thus I am still willing to vote there today.

Falcon's flip recontextualized your questionable defense of him. So I began to question it more earnestly. At least, inside my head I did. I haven't been very active in the thread this phase, as you may have noticed.

What? You’d be willing to vote for a Civ just because a wolf/civ has a wrong read on them over a likely wolf? That’s not having the town’s best intention at heart. Sloonei your posts seem to try sound smart to cover your wolf intentions.

At this point, I find you even more SUS than Epi from the west side.

Eh?

All I’ve seen you done this thread is follow Epi’s lead based on nothing on me, and today you have continued to do nothing else but so, even when admitting you wolf read Epi, yet not even voting him.

??? You’re so incoherent like only wolves are

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:10 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:36 am Lemon/Radishes w/w

I mean if you are town here I will help you out

Lemonfairy is obviously town from my perspective.

If you want to have mafias win be my guest

How can Lemon be obviously town? Even if you’re a part of one mafia, there’s still the other.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:07 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:28 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:38 am Cape is worth revisiting though.

Had you been wolves partner with Lime, would you have joined the wagon and voted him out or would you have thrown a vote elsewhere?

When I first saw you as town, you OMGUSED the people who pushed you. Have you drastically changed the way you play when you are town?

Hmmm what are you talking about?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:38 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

I deliberately defended Falcon.

You did as well, and you cited me as a reason to vote DarlingMonroe.

Then you went after me. Why?

I had qualms with the reasoning behind your defense of Falcon yesterday but, barring his flip, I had no explicit reason to suspect you.

At the same time, I thought the bluntness of your DarlingMonroe suspicion suggested a level of confidence that I could trust completely. That would be the case regardless of your alignment. Thus I am still willing to vote there today.

Falcon's flip recontextualized your questionable defense of him. So I began to question it more earnestly. At least, inside my head I did. I haven't been very active in the thread this phase, as you may have noticed.

What? You’d be willing to vote for a Civ just because a wolf/civ has a wrong read on them over a likely wolf? That’s not having the town’s best intention at heart. Sloonei your posts seem to try sound smart to cover your wolf intentions.

At this point, I find you even more SUS than Epi from the west side.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:07 pm how are y'all not seeing this?
am I the crazy one?

You have been wolf from the start, and were probably aware there had to be another mafia from get-go. Then when Lime flipped other mafia, and second Day the wagons were on Ali + Sabi (both town), I bet you were so excited and just voted Dyslexicon for LOL. Happy knowing that either Lime's other partner would be eliminated or another town.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:06 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:54 pm I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.

like, all you're doing is continuously repeating that me and Radishes are wolves
at least find some wolfy quotes from us or something

Where do I begin? I cant quote anything from the east, but pretty much everything there has shades of wolf all over. Like one of your firsts posts wondering if mafia and town were evenly separated between facilities bc one side would have more town members. That's something a wolf would wonder about only.

In only makes sense that the east players that refused to vote falcon and tried to flip the wagon are the ones linked with Rose Empire Mafia

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:48 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:14 pm [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM

really though? justify this assertion

just read their ISOs

Cape has reads, puts nuance and thoughts into their reads, and engages with others

I don't think I've seen anything like that from Monroe
she has dropped reads but hasn't explained why beyond votes

I already explained, out of the 8 players from the east, based on behaviour, votes, and reads, you and radishes are wolves from the falcon mafia.

I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:50 pm dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

to be fair, i wouldn't categorize lemon's or radishes' contributions as amazing either. I feel so confident they are mafia with falcon.


and I would say Nanook with Lime.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:50 pm dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

Nutella, if you were an east mafia player aligned with falcon, would you have joined the wagon or not?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:39 pm like, there is not a bit of nuance or context and you're just pulling imo unlikely conclusions based on VC alone

So you think VC is insignificant? And yes context was provided in whether the player voted off was town or not, and the nuance lies in you and Radishes being the only members from the east to abstain from voting falcon and instead pushing the second largest wagon of the day for no real reason at all.

Out of the original 15 east members, 6 have been eliminated and only 1 was wolf.

Based on the elimination of the west players, we know now that there's 2 wolf factions at play.

If the two sides balance each other in role distribution, we know at least 3 more wolves in the pool of east players .1 (Lime's partner [pyxxy & abi's from the west], and the other 2 east members from falcon's mafia).

I know I am civ, so that leaves me the following 8 players with 3 of them being wolves.

Cape90:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Wilgy (?)

DrWilgy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - falcon (wolf)

Dyslexicon:
1 - Master Radishes (?)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - leetic (?)

Lemonfairy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Dyslexicon (?)
3 - Monroe (civ)

Radishes:
1 - Alison (civ)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Darling (civ)

Nanook:
1 - Guillotine (civ)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Lemonfairy (?)

nutella:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Delta (?)

Windward:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Falcon (wolf)


Observations: Windward + Wilgy same voting history. 2/3 voted a wolf out. Would not vote any of them 2.

Radishes hasn't voted a single Wolf, only town. Lemon, outside of voting for lime, hasn't helped town, thus wolf but not with Lime.

Nanook is the one that would my biggest read as Lime's partner.

nutella/cape/dyslexicon then would fall in between my town and wolf reads. could see them go either way, but dont feel confidently calling them wolves like I do with Radishes and Lemon.

Let it be known Michelle was SUS of Lemon as early as Day 1 before someone targeted for the kill that following night.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:40 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:48 am Though it is tempting to vote Master because that tunnel on Alison? That was rough.

Out of curiosity, why was MR's tunnel on Alison worse than mine? I was pushing her from N0, and yet you townread me and scumread Radishes.

Because your tunnel seemed more genuine and radishes more opportunistic like wolf jumping on a cig’s wrong read. And then also day 3 vote, you went with falcon and radishes/lemon abstained when everything pointed they were wolf. It makes sense since none of their mafia members had flipped they tried everything to get the second biggest wagon take over.

Radishes/Fairy really gave themselves away

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:35 pm side note: why ping me if you don't have a question for me?

Same to you. You’ve been voting for me for no reason at all. Well, to protect falcon your teammate.

Can’t believe only one wolf from east has been caught so far. That’s changing today.

Cape/Nutella/Dyslexicon/Nanook

They’re all so good, I can’t determine confidently if they’re civ or wolf. At least one of the 4 is no good.

For today I’d rather focus on Master & Lemon for elimination candidates.

Like I said, @WindwardAway @DrWilgy strongest town read atm

@Lemonfairy @Master Radishes biggest pings

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:52 am In the future open up an iso and check if a partnership actually makes sense.

I did. All of fairy’s and your interactions on the east thread say it all.

When did I say lemon was aligned with Lime?

Lemon it’s with you and falcon

Lime is with pyxxy & Abi

At least Lemon voted Lime Day 1, Radishes. Tried to blend in more.

Though it is tempting to vote Master because that tunnel on Alison? That was rough.

Why are so concerned like if I was voting you? Could you make it more obvious you all are wolf partners.

Lemon/Radishes w/w

From the west members: I would confident about a wolf in one of Epi/Sloonei/Tony. Falcon’s wolf partner.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I am not sure you aren’t aligned with Lime/Abi/Pyxxy but I am curious for your vote towards lemon fairy because as it stands, them and Radishes are my biggest pings.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:38 am Cape is worth revisiting though.

Had you been wolves partner with Lime, would you have joined the wagon and voted him out or would you have thrown a vote elsewhere?

@DrWilgy where do lemon fairy and radishes lie in your wolf rank?

@WindwardAway read on Master and Lemon? I don’t feel they’ve played a pro town game at all.

I’m fairly confident Master Radishes and lemon fairy are the wolves with Falcon from the east.

The wolf partner for Lime from east I still can’t figure out. One of Cape/Nutella/Dyslexicon/Nanook.

Windward is my biggest town read from the east group. Wilgy would be next.

going to falcon bc i dont feel safe with so many votes on me

im going to work so i wont be online for eod

love yall

[VOTE: vote:falcon [VOTE: really hope its mafia] aubergine] aubergine

same point*

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:04 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:59 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:57 pm [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.

I dont even know what to reply because i dont understand your reasoning at all

I mean I can't quote it per the rules.

If I make it back before EoD I'll try to explain. Basically I don't see any reason you and Brad can't be linked, and in fact one or two things I could see a w/w interaction for.

yeah but that seem point you're making can be said about you as well, so its a very weak reasoning and something wolves would try to use