The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:24 pm Thanks for playing @Cannoticale, good to have you around! Starting with a sweep ain't too shabby.

This game was really fun to play and I'd love to play in another game sometime! All the players were really nice too.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:46 pm Day 2 has ended. Sloonei was eliminated. He was:

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Gladys Hippo

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mafia-aligned

Gladys looked upon O-Town from her personal suite in the Conglom-O tower, satisfied that her schemes would lead her to infinite wealth and Mafia glory via The Syndicate's accelerated path to the Administrator ranks for all Conglom-O executives.

Then someone fell through the roof, dangling from a tightrope like a secret agent in a movie, and landed directly in her bosom. She had only barely begun to utter her catchphrase when it was all over.

HOW DAAAAAAARE YOU

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Congratulations to town for winning the game. It was barn burner!

okay wow uh

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:36 pm His reaction to the start of the Roxy train wasn't all that bad. I didn't like how he said ""now I have to decide what to do with my vote." , after Jess had already voted for Roxy. But then his analysis of Roxy and then voting for her may look good. Although it has been suggested that it's a Wolf that needs to justify their hopping on the train.

can you just vote please

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:14 pm
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:10 pm However, if they flip town, look VERY carefully at who pushed them, because they're probably involved with Sloonei's death.
hello there

Not you shush

This does mean Sloonei is in hammer range but I assume that people have already gotten out what they wanted to say in the last 45 hours.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

DM and DW are both locked-in town
Syn is also probably town.
I am less confident that LC is town.
I don't know what falcon is doing. I've briefly considered it from both angles and it's probably just some town player who doesn't care where their vote lands as long as it makes others stop annoying them
Sloonei is just typical wolf. However, if they flip town, look VERY carefully at who pushed them, because they're probably involved with Sloonei's death.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:43 pm Does W LC potentially prompt a Roxy suspicion when it's not needed yet?

No, unless it was a distancing attempt.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:06 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:54 pm
jess wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:42 pm Well, no Wilgy votes at the moment, but I think I can be the first. [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
do you have any reads outside of wilgy?
LC seemed to agree with Cannotacle on Roxy.

I really don't know why LC's then upend and go with a gotcha vote. Is it W LC looking to appear like they are adding fresh ideas? That sounds like too much effort fwiw when W LC could just hammer down on Roxy and enforce other things in the thread.

With a Roxy red flip, LCs actions make far more sense as a teammate IMO

Huh? How?

Also I am going to say it again but when you point out the mafia-like things that one person does and then vote them and then do the same for another person it should be without saying that you should have a complete view of the situation, and try to find an explanation that reaches both observations.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:26 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine

I feel fine w/ DM, Sloon & LC wagons

Wait what you just pointed out Slooni's mafia behavior two posts ago.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:10 pm I have no idea why we should consider that Roxy's flip indicates her partner was a 0 poster

None at all

It feels like Sloon is intentionally trying to widen the lynch pool, and that ain't towny

Thank you.

Also why must you add 5 empty lines between each split

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:01 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:05 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:31 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine omgus and also how is that an argument
I am making no argument. I am asking a question. Your slot was vacant yesterday. As such, we could not examine it. Knowing what we now know, I wanted there to be some discussion of the possibility that The Empty Slot was paired with Roxy yesterday. You will note that I am not voting for you.
how does my slot not playing the game D1 relate to roxy flipping wolf during a flash wagon?
It might not. But we had a mafia flip Day 1, and I want us to consider all possible angles around that flip. One angle is that Roxy was the only wolf to post in the thread at all on Day 1. I’d like to know if anyone has reasons to suspect that was the case.

I do not feel like this is an outrageous thing to consider.

The arguments here do not add up. What is the ulterior motive?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 5:06 am d1 flash wagons are fun. very chaotic

it's usually a wolf that tries to justify their participation in them

Not wrong

Most of the time when someone is trying to push that they are town because of a mafia flip it's just solid bussing.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:18 am I will say, I do wonder if Dr. W was/is the other mason hence jess' confidence on them being town. By process of elimination, LongCon remains my biggest suspicion. I still feel good about Cannoticale.

This is a good observation. I agree that it's certainly possible. If Jess was going to play in a way that was going to get them high on the strike list, they would be sure to leave being some clues as to who the other clear is.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:09 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:30 am I just want you to know that when I agreed to this, I was excited to tunnel jess and monroe as a team

then I saw the d1 flip

and now I see the n1 flip

so anyway
I’m interested in hearing about this theory and if you still think it’s possible for Monroe to being mafia.

I don't think it's worth that much for what it's worth.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:05 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:31 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine omgus and also how is that an argument
I am making no argument. I am asking a question. Your slot was vacant yesterday. As such, we could not examine it. Knowing what we now know, I wanted there to be some discussion of the possibility that The Empty Slot was paired with Roxy yesterday. You will note that I am not voting for you.

I think I take Syn's side of the argument here. Your vote isn't on them, but yet you're bringing up the prospect of them being mafia. You are saying that Roxy was discouraged because their partner wasn't around, and then you say it wasn't an argument. You are also voting on someone literally random for the sole reason that they didn't vote on Roxy yesterday, although Syn did not either. In summary, it is a hollow and fruitless argument that is filled with spineless arguments. The attachment to try and turn it into something useful is also mafia-like.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:41 am I'll even give you a rainbow list

LC
DarlingMonroe
Cannoticale
falcon45ca
DrWilgy
Sloonei

game solved see you next time

I can taste the rainbow

If I'm being honest these are perfectly normal conclusions to reach, especially if there's more weight on d2. So this is town indicative to me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?

Why is Syn/Scotty slot Roxy's partner?
I don't know that there's enough info to reason Yes or No without any posts from S.

LC answering Falcon's question is lowkey kind of funny

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:17 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:02 pm Town, great job on Roxy's elimination! And RIP Jess, my day one MVP.

I like this post as much as I do stale fries from McDonald's...

Which is much less than I like cold pizza. Waaaaaaaay less

I don't really understand this post but when I read this in real time I agreed with it somewhat. I don't really have opinions on it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:59 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?
It's perfectly possible. Why Wilgy?
He voted for you.

Do you think Roxy would have made more of an effort if her teammate was absent? Or was her lack of participation tied to feeling deflated because she was all alone (questions for everyone, not just LC)
So why me over DM?
Monroe felt town at times yesterday. That stance is definitely less solid now. You are both candidates, but I only have one vote. The day is young, Doctor. Go show me you’re town.
Nah, I don't really do that. I'll build a good PoE and get misyeeted. This is the Wilgy way.

#relatable

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:59 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?
It's perfectly possible. Why Wilgy?
He voted for you.

Do you think Roxy would have made more of an effort if her teammate was absent? Or was her lack of participation tied to feeling deflated because she was all alone (questions for everyone, not just LC)
So why me over DM?
Monroe felt town at times yesterday. That stance is definitely less solid now. You are both candidates, but I only have one vote. The day is young, Doctor. Go show me you’re town.

Why so? I don't feel like there's been anything that makes me immediately want to change my opinion on DM.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
Hello there.
Why did you not vote for Roxy?
I wasn't around to change my vote. LC Roxy and DM were my D1 PoE before I left thread.

This is also a perfectly acceptable answer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
Hello there.
Why did you not vote for Roxy?

Um that's a weirdly timed question

IMO @sloonei if you are town in the future please remember that not everyone knows who the mafia are. DrWilgy not voting for Roxy does not mean he cannot be town, so it seems like a push that's trying to establish the idea that Non-roxy voters are going to be mafia.

Not a good look x2

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?
It's perfectly possible. Why Wilgy?
He voted for you.

Do you think Roxy would have made more of an effort if her teammate was absent? Or was her lack of participation tied to feeling deflated because she was all alone (questions for everyone, not just LC)

I don't think it mattered. I wouldn't say Roxy didn't make an effort; although I understand the feeling of having no teammates show up. I don't think most players would just give up at that point though.

So in other words, no, I don't think it's Syn.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?
Possibly. Most players have presented a reason for not being wolf.

At least there's arguments.

LC agreed with W Roxy early.

Falcon sitting well within T range.

Sloon had good observations early and into a Roxy push that looked good.

Canno seems town. Good against Roxy.

It's like a PoE of Syn/DM and I need to review DM's catchup blurb but I remember liking it while reading it. It felt out of DM's wolf range.

I wouldn't clear LC for agreeing early on but it does look good. Slooni's observations only turned into a push once they started to get pressure I think? I could be wrong here.

These reasons are all so flat that they sort of look bad to me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?
It's perfectly possible. Why Wilgy?

Good question, I'm glad someone else picked up on it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?

This is a very strange line of thought. Voting Dr Wilgy and then immediately doubting/asking if it's syn seems like an attempt to maybe chainkill two people. Not a good look.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:18 pm And me! Me too!

This is... an interesting perspective on events that unfolded yesterday.

Maybe I should do end of day 1 first.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:02 pm Town, great job on Roxy's elimination! And RIP Jess, my day one MVP.

This feels genuine.

DM is probably town I feel? Unless anyone has objections or if I've missed something, this slot seems fine to me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:18 pm
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:42 pm Eye balling shit for impact and reason.

Sloon had Falc's vote and had gotten to up to two through the day,

LC was the cw with a potential vote value of 4, (two real in me/dm, with Canno and Jess moving around the slot as well.)

Inherently, this makes me think that if one of the two is bussing it'd have been LC.

The contrary factor to this is LC mentioned Roxy suspicion decently earlier.
But what if they aren't bussing?
Then it's just Syn.

Why do you think they're bussing then?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:42 pm Eye balling shit for impact and reason.

Sloon had Falc's vote and had gotten to up to two through the day,

LC was the cw with a potential vote value of 4, (two real in me/dm, with Canno and Jess moving around the slot as well.)

Inherently, this makes me think that if one of the two is bussing it'd have been LC.

The contrary factor to this is LC mentioned Roxy suspicion decently earlier.

But what if they aren't bussing?

As long as we vote out LC and Slooni we will win

slooni or lc

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:29 pm I find it hard to believe that Jess was NKd because her reads were bad

Her reads were correct lol

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:13 pm
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:05 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:54 am
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:51 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:41 am I'll even give you a rainbow list

LC
DarlingMonroe
Cannoticale
falcon45ca
DrWilgy
Sloonei

game solved see you next time
I'm curious why you think Falcon is mafia. Could you expand on that please?
it is simply that I have no reason to think he's town
So therefore what are your reasons for other people being placed above them?
I have reason to think they're town

hope this helps

Expand?

Is there anything like a Hammer/Majority here?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 5:05 am
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:51 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?
It's perfectly possible. Why Wilgy?
He voted for you.

Do you think Roxy would have made more of an effort if her teammate was absent? Or was her lack of participation tied to feeling deflated because she was all alone (questions for everyone, not just LC)
roxy's activity level is never alignment indicative
Well, it just was, unfortunately, so like it or not it will be taken into account here.
this retort does not even make sense

do you think she died because she posted too few times? was that the claim at eod? as best as I can tell, sloonei is the only one who made an effort at justifying his vote at the last second

sloonei is arguing that roxy died because she had a zero slot as a partner and couldn't be arsed to participate

this is not in roxy's meta and it's a pretty incredible claim to make about someone that requires several mental leaps

what are you "taking into account" besides the fact that you want to vote for me and this is a really convenient way to do it?

What I am trying to say is that Roxy being inactive was indicative of THEM being wolf. I am not saying this extends to you.

I was the one who pushed the Roxy wagon into action. I justified my vote on them, and so I'm not sure what you're asking.

I think I understand what you are saying. Because Slooni has so much conviction to keep pushing after (probably) voting their partner, it seems like a bus. Understandable perspective tbf

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:54 am
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:51 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:41 am I'll even give you a rainbow list

LC
DarlingMonroe
Cannoticale
falcon45ca
DrWilgy
Sloonei

game solved see you next time
I'm curious why you think Falcon is mafia. Could you expand on that please?
it is simply that I have no reason to think he's town

So therefore what are your reasons for other people being placed above them?

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I'm putting my vote here for now.

I don't really like their attitude or them saying that they "Intended to tunnel" although now that I think of it, it may be town indicative.

Will I start to tryhard tomorrow? Let's find out.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?

Do you?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm Do we think it’s likely that the mafia team is Roxy & Syn/Scotty?
It's perfectly possible. Why Wilgy?
He voted for you.

Do you think Roxy would have made more of an effort if her teammate was absent? Or was her lack of participation tied to feeling deflated because she was all alone (questions for everyone, not just LC)
roxy's activity level is never alignment indicative

Well, it just was, unfortunately, so like it or not it will be taken into account here.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:41 am I'll even give you a rainbow list

LC
DarlingMonroe
Cannoticale
falcon45ca
DrWilgy
Sloonei

game solved see you next time

I'm curious why you think Falcon is mafia. Could you expand on that please?

Wow I'm actually pretty good at this

wait no I meant if this flips town kill LC not that ROXY was town ahhh

[VOTE: ROXY] aubergine I am convinced although if this flips town obviously please kill LC.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:29 pm
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:27 pm If I'm Desperate Wolf, DM's entry was Overcompensating Wolf.

"And why exactly has NO ONE called out Scotty yet?" *eyes everyone disapprovingly*

Like, come on.
I don't understand your reasoning. Could you explain farther?
I can, if you agree to take out the white spoiler tag with the broken Image out of your sig.

I don't know how to.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:27 pm If I'm Desperate Wolf, DM's entry was Overcompensating Wolf.

"And why exactly has NO ONE called out Scotty yet?" *eyes everyone disapprovingly*

Like, come on.

I don't understand your reasoning. Could you explain farther?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:27 pm If I'm Desperate Wolf, DM's entry was Overcompensating Wolf.

"And why exactly has NO ONE called out Scotty yet?" *eyes everyone disapprovingly*

Like, come on.

I don't understand your reasoning. Could you explain farther?

[VOTE: Long con] aubergine after all I am just the public opinion.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:51 pm Why did no one bring up Scotty's lack of posting today?

Who's problem is it to deal with it? Not mine.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:50 pm
Cannoticale wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:49 pm I don't thing long con is as bad as people are making him out to be. He hasn't done anything towny; although he also hasn't done anything wolfy. In my opinion Roxy has, which is why I chose to vote them over long con.
What was what Roxy did that was wolfy for you, @Cannoticale. I want to understand.

I think I've explained it before, but a quick summary of that is:
Roxy is (probably) avoiding posting
Roxy is intentionally avoiding contributing to the game. When they attempt to, they push out observations rather than conclusions. This is likely an iteration of some sort of being frozen, otherwise known as "unable to post"

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