The Syndicate

Oh yes, I totally forgot to say... Congrats to Epic, Dom, and Timmer! Well done sers!

i have never been more confused in a game... ever

Good inaugural game, Alex!

have fun being sarky!

reywaS wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???

BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.

Geez.

It was not "useless". It was a simple record of people that voted for both Droopy and Vomp with some added stuff about vote timing. DH did not in any way come to the conclusion that any one person in his vote post "must be bad". It certainly wasn't "useless" in that it got some great discussion going. I think he may have hit something with all the "oh my god, that date is stupid and useless and makes no sense" stuff TBH. A few people went a little overboard in trying to debunk DH's conclusions when he didn't even make any conclusions! I think he's on to something with the responses.

So then why did he slip in the "I am going to vote LT"?

Again, I was not the first to comment that his analyses served no purpose at this point in the game. Later, maybe it will help. So, I comment.... and BOOM! DH says THAT is his case... the fact that I commented. Something that others have also done.

Now, here you are joining him. I am sorry, but you cannot tell me that his analyses has any bearing on shit right at this point.

Maybe there is something to the fact that YOU are jumping on DH's bogus case. I mean, how convenient, right? Easy vote. DH has even said that he is trying to stop "sheeple votes" - so clearly he is just stirring the pot. Yet you jump on it.

Except that all it has done is distract from actual discussion of the actual possible baddies. But, maybe that is the plan.

My eye is still on FH, tbh. Although, I am not ready to vote her atm. Her explanations about the books rang true to me.

Instead, I am now very interested in reywaS. I think he has played this game long enough that him jumping on DH's "case" makes me very suspicious of him.

*vote reywaS*

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Stepping away....

DharmaHelper wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.

You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.

Who suggested the angry civvie routine in your BTSC?

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.

You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.

DharmaHelper wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???

BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.

Geez.

Except initially all I did was say "these people voted together both times." And you reacted over the top and very defensive about it. I didn't say anything about "All these people are mafia."

Good try though LT. I'm sure you're really scrambling back there in your BTSC about how to get out of this one.

I most certainly did not react in an over the top way... AT ALL. Now you are just annoying me....

WTF are you smoking? I swear...

YOU HAVE NO CASE! I am not bad! Your case is a bogus bunch of hogwash.

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???

BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.

Geez.

DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.

Wow.

DharmaHelper wrote:@JC I'm pretty certain that civvie LT would not respond to me the way this LT is responding. It's way too over the top and dismissive, and actually quite mean.

I am not being mean. I just don't see that you have made any kind of valid case against me - so I pointed out why it was non-existent as well as how your vote analysis was not valid. I assume all that useless analysis supposedly validates your non-existent case

Something is up with the way you are posting, and I am not sure what it is.

Flyin' High wrote:If I sounded at all like I contradicted myself, I'm sorry. My mistake was this: MP asked me which book I'd like to read from last night. I immediately responded "Green!" while thinking to myself green=alien.

Then I received my PM response from MP telling me Frank Zappa's role and I was confused because I thought I'd be getting one of Ziltoid's Army's roles. So I went to look at the roles and did a major facepalm because I realized I'd mixed up the civvie color with Ziltoid's army color.

It was a dumb mistake. But I owned up to it because it's honestly what happened.

And then as for choosing whether or not to reveal what I learned, based on the one role I learned about, I made the decision that the Frank Zappa and the civvies as a whole would benefit from knowing that by him using his power at night, he can be recruited to the Residents or worse, killed.

I thought that was helpful to share. If it wasn't then I honestly apologize. I was trying to do good not bad.

I can actually believe this defense. It does sound very plausible.

Kate wrote:

The Truth wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse psychology and voting for pluto.

11:25

triceratopzeuhl wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse revere reverse psychology and voting for the sun.

11:28

Weird. Is three minutes enough to see that, think of a "witty" comeback and post?

Hmmm, when I first read that, it seemed to me that it was a bit of wittiness... so not sure if that, alone, proves anything as to alliance. The PA people seem to like to have a bit of fun with each other from what I have seen so far. To me it looked like a play off a previous post.

The other stuff that FH brought up about trice's posts... I will be interested to hear his response to that.

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:*Sigh*

Because she is on a Venn diagram somewhere and has not been subject to a bandwagon, i would guess.

DH, I so want to believe you at times, but you make it so hard </3

Linki~ civvies can vote in clusters as well.

2. LT's response to my vote analysis was blown up and over the top, classic baddie LT.
3. LT's ignored me going after her all day today. Didn't even comment on me saying I'd vote for her unless someone confessed. Civvie LT would not have let that go.

You know, I really think something is up with you. I did not take you seriously, tbqfh.

You have not gone after me all day, you have posted ridiculous vote analyses that have no bearing on anything at this point in the game, you then further the ridiculousness by creating venn diagrams purportedly to show that people who vote after one another are somehow in cahoots. I KNOW you know better than this, and therefore concluded that you were just having a bit of fun.

Yes, you did slip in the "I am voting for LT" - but where was the reason? Oh yes, there wasn't actually a reason. Just some absurd linking of when people voted.

Pardon me for ignoring your "conclusions".

Oh, and pray tell why was my response more over the top than anyone else that pointed out you were posting nothing of actual value?

juliets wrote:

reywaS wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Maybe it is strange. Maybe he is lying about prizes, maybe he is hoarding prizes in a closet. That does not change the fact though that he somehow won a book and revealed a baddie secret, and she did not

So it is an interesting sidelight, and I hope he comes in and clears it up. But it does not make me less suspicious of FH.

I'm not trying to lessen any suspicion on FH. I agree with it.

I'm just as suspicious of FH but i think the bwt thing is important on its own. Why would he win something and the #2 person didn't? It doesn't seem like he mispoke because he clarified in the thread. Until bwt explains it or MP does, I will be suspicious there as well as FH.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
@MP~ Mr Sox, will you tell us how BWT won a prize?

All Books of Knowledge were awarded as the result of the posting challenge. Not the poker tournament.

See above, juliets - MP did already clarify.

Kate wrote:I think she was just hoping I wouldn't be able to figure it or have the balls to call her on it in the thread.

That whole exchange was excellent! I am actually pretty shocked that FH confessed in the way she did - you are a good lawyer I find it very odd that FH would choose to read the green book vs the purple book.

reywaS wrote:He's saying he won 2 prizes. He says he got the book from the poker tournament whereas FH and Kate say that their books came from the posting challenge. BWT says he won something completely different from the posting challenge. It all seems strange to me.

That is strange. Not sure it amounts to anything though. Just odd though....

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Hey uh Sockface, should you change Roxy to read Timmer in the lynch poll?

If he does that, it will reset the poll.

Oh god! Not graphs and statisitics.... *LT zones out*

I am going to get some sleep. Goodnight, all!

DharmaHelper wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:DH - my response was not the only one that was wondering why you did what you did.....

But never mind. I am sure you are going to make much more out of it than was there anyway.

Oh, and welcome Timmer, bye CBK!

And the Defenseive No U Snarkfest begins

OOps, I forgot to welcome Dom as well... I think I missed who you replaced. In fact, I think I missed a whole page of posts :o

DH - my response was not the only one that was wondering why you did what you did.....

But never mind. I am sure you are going to make much more out of it than was there anyway.

Oh, and welcome Timmer, bye CBK!

RIPiywg Chaindeath - LT also loved your posts. She found them entertaining and fun to read.

reywaS wrote:Thanks for that, DH. And I agree that he wasn't drawing any conclusions as LT said he was with the stretch comment. I took it as DH looking for similarities in the two lynches. Based on the sheer number of baddies in this game, there had to be baddies in there, and it stands to reason that the last two lynches were pretty easy days for all the baddies. I can see them in their chats saying, "Well, looks like we don't have much to do today. The vote will be easy." That's why I said that I'd like to look a little deeper and see which people made the easy votes and didn't put a lot of content into their lynch votes.

linki x 4

Yes, now that he has explained it further, I can see that he was just "putting stuff out there", not that he was drawing any actual conclusions/suspicions from it.

S~V~S wrote:I dunno, when I have info, or think I do, and can't find areal case, I flood the thread with data hoping a pattern emeges to someone. This is the kind of bizarre post I make in that situation. DH has been sounding frustratted and reasonably sincere, if snarkish, to me.

He has been screaming "INH!!!!!" For days, I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt

I don't think I have ever seen you post something like what DH just posted though.

DH - that is the most "reaching" vote analysis I have ever seen... and I still don't know what you are implying by doing it. It is far too early in such a large game to determine that when people vote after someone else implies some kind of logical grouping. I am really scratching my head at this. You've played far too many games to post ... ummm.... not sure what to call it LOL!

I 2nd Kate's question, DH, what is your analysis supposed to imply?

juliets wrote:I clicked on "View Results" but all I can see is that 2 people voted for Vompatii. I can't see who voted.

Ugh... poll mod is not fully implemented in Prosilver (which I assume is what you are using), I forgot to add it once we realized people were going to use it. For now, use the Lucid Lime to view the poll. Sorry... I'll sort that out tomorrow.

I am not feeling very well, so I am going to go ahead and vote now...

*vote Vompatti*

juliets wrote:I'm trying to figure out this poll. What do I click on to see who has voted and for whom they voted.

It's the same as it is at RM - "view results".

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:Welcome back Mr. Droppy Cash!

So, no death. Not sure what to think about that at the moment. Great post again, Alex!

As for this new challenge, I simply don't have the time... but I would have won

Vompatti is really making my nose twitch, I have to say.

You just earned an It's Mr. DrOOpy Cash, not DroPPy Cash!

Geez!

OMG! I just spurted coffee laughing at this.... Sorry about that Mr. Droopy Cash

Welcome back Mr. Droppy Cash!

So, no death. Not sure what to think about that at the moment. Great post again, Alex!

As for this new challenge, I simply don't have the time... but I would have won

Vompatti is really making my nose twitch, I have to say.

Mr Droopy Cash, I think I like you... and I am happy that you seem to be having fun! But, I still think you are a baddie and have been caught, despite your very valiant attempt at a defense.

I am going to have to vote now as I have other games that require my attention.

*vote Mr. Droopy Cash*

Also, reywaS, you may have missed where it has been said at RM that Roxy has had a death in the family.

Flyin' High wrote:Vompatti, what's your opinion on Mr. Droopy?

I've noticed you've stayed completely away from that discussion.

Yes, I would like to hear this as well.

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:Also, I withdraw my post TO rabbit making him an offer. I'm going to vote rabbit now and get it out of the way. I've achieved my two goals for this game anyway so I'm content! It's been fun! *votes rabbit*

This makes my eyebrow crik, my nose twitch and every part of my gut is telling me, you are a baddie sir! With every post you have made, you have dug a deeper hole, tbh.

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:Lol. You all are way to experienced with this shit for me to handle. My first goal was to survive Day/Night 1. (Check!) My second goal was to outlive Devin the Omniscient (Check!).

I do find it funny that Leech was in a similar situation first lynch where he pretty much had no chance at survival and turned up civvie. I guess it's just one of those things. You all are intimidated by me-no worries! I won't let it go to my head! (Yes I will) I love you all so much! I'm just gonna continue getting drunk tonight and forget about all of this! Cheers!

Oh! Well, okay then....

We definitely need more smilies, Alex!

DharmaHelper wrote:@LT I think my case on rabbit was pretty darn valid, even if some of bea's team jumped on it just to try and save bea.

In your opinion, of course. I didn't agree with it or I would have commented that I found it valid instead of invalid But, I do think it was used as a way to save Bea

In reading back, it seems that Capt. Bunny Killer, Chaindeath and Mr. Droopy Cash all seemed to jump on the rabbit bandwagon - and honestly, I didn't see a valid case presented on him to warrant those people voting for him. Therefore, I have very strong suspicion that they could have been attempting to save Bea.

Droopy definitely stands out the most, though.

RIPiywg axxon n and Illy!

Great post, Alex!

triceratopzeuhl wrote:I feel like if vomps had teammates/btsc, they would tell him not to do most of the things he has done this game. I also feel, however, that most of his actions/posts have no logical civ explanation

I also still feel like SVS's uncharacteristic "big deal" was weird. If we knew which team Lorab had been on, that would probably make me feel more strongly about the whole shebang. I just don't know right now.

Vomp is someone I have had my eye on all game. He just seems off... Not seeing the S~V~S suspicion at this point, though.

Flyin' High wrote:

Kate wrote:Id say drropy looks the worst from your comments fh. Typical baddie move to mention than blow off. Esp for a noob who may be getting advice.

Hmmm, yeah that's true. If there is coaching involved I could see that being entirely possible.

I agree, Kate & FH - droopy could be being coached. That is such a classic move!

Also, I haven't seen much from INH lately.

I need to go re-read a bit and get my head back into this game - so much going on, I can't keep stuff straight! FYI - I am in another game and now co-hosting another, so not much time!!!

:o

Yay! We got a baddie! cu Bea! BIH Brown eye!

RIPiywg Lorab... so someone has a daykill????

Voting now before I forget!

Vote Bea Because she is the only ping that I find worth a vote for atm.

Kate wrote:I'm leaning toward voting Bea. As I said earlier, I think SVS was trying to fish for info and I think she got some. I think that Bea knows something about the NK targets.

bea wrote:RIP DF and Devin.

I guess I can see where SVS is coming from, but with all the secrets in the game it occurs to me that it's entirely possible that the people who died last night weren't the intended targets. I mean, the host himself said the NP and all the night actions were going to take a while to get out. That says to me that a lot was going on last night.

Then I asked her if she thought it was both DF and Devin or just DF and she said this:

bea wrote:not sure if it was both or not. But - what I was thinking was that if the day 0 poll made all the Earth votes not count in the lynch - maybe the night 1 poll had something to do with people's targets getting re-directed.

I think this second post had been thought out, possibly in a chat room, about why their kill ended up killing someone other than their intended target.

Plus, she says she is not sure if it was both or not, which says to me, that she does think/know at least one was...

Oh yes! I remember being a little pinged by that at the time I first read it. Thanks for reminding me!

Gosh, there have been a lot of posts since I last caught up....

I am not sure where my vote will go today!

There seem to be a few people insanified? Some people have voted without posting.... are they silenced?

I see S~V~S is catching some heat for wondering about the death of DF. Not sure what I think about that at the moment.

As for the quote marks potentially being a slip up - we have caught baddies accidentally leaving quote tags in their copied posts in the past It happens and is funny when it does! LOL! However, when I saw the quote marks, it made me think it was a quotation - as DP has pointed out, that is what it was. So, I don't think there is anything to that.

Votes cast so far seem to mostly be random votes. Hmm...

Vompatti wrote:I'm voting for rabbit8 for personal reasons.

This was an odd vote post. Care to share what your reasons are?

RIPiywg DFaraday and Devin the Omniscient!

Great post again, MP!

*ponders what the secret word could be* hmmm...

LittleTiger wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:
Also, I set my posts per page to 100, but even after hitting submit I still have the default 40 ppp. Am I the only one who has tried to change from the default and not been successful?

Hmmm..... you are right! I am looking into this.

Okay, this is now fixed!

Flyin' High wrote:
Also, I set my posts per page to 100, but even after hitting submit I still have the default 40 ppp. Am I the only one who has tried to change from the default and not been successful?

Hmmm..... you are right! I am looking into this.

Welcome, FH!!! (just 'cos you said you liked that smilie!).

Voting 8, of course! It's a LOST number... gotta vote it.

Yes, I think I am going to go ahead and vote Leech.

Vompatti wrote:I'm not voting for Leech as I think he might benefit from it. Why else would he have voted for himself? Therefore I will also vote for myself, assuming I might also benefit from it.

Interesting. So, you did not read the posts outlining why people opt for the self vote in games?

You really seem to be going all out to "save" Leech.

Hmmm.....

Leech's self-vote explanation doesn't make me feel any better about him. I really don't like it when players dodge the scrutiny of their votes by opting out and voting themselves. Others have brought up Jason - a notorious self voter, if he ever comes here and plays a game, you can ask him how many games that strategy worked out well for him :lol: (MP - we need a :lol: smiley!)

I was ready to give Leech a pass this time, but finding out that he is not brand new to mafia changes my mind. There again, Vompatti rushing to provide him with a cover story also cricked my eyebrow. My is on both of them.

DharmaHelper wrote:Kate - I think you think I disagree with you, which is not the case. I'm just hesitant to vote for people who vote for themselves, particularly this early. I'd like to be cautious is all.


LittleTiger - I don't think it's wrong to want to help people who are new. I just think finding people who are new to be suspect for "drive by voting" during a day 0 poll is a little off.

I didn't suspect anyone for "drive by voting"? What are you on about?

I think the most suspect thing so far is Vompatti trying to explain away Leech's self vote. Giving him an excuse, talking about secrets as if he knows why Leech voted himself. Just seems odd that he would jump to his defense so quickly. Also, the "defense" dissuades anyone from actually voting Leech (and it seems to have been effective).

DH - there are quite a few new players in this game, so why is sharing knowledge of how the game is played for their benefit worthy of being "notable"?