The Syndicate

Hello. I'm Epignosis. I'm the Aging Old Fart what lives in the basement here. Occasionally they trot me out for things of this nature.

Television often bores me, so I have enjoyed the TripeHaven-Moonwink Theater Production that showed early on this evening. Quite lovely.

TripeHaven

I must burn one of my posts at once to highlight and apologize for this unfortunate mistake.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:01 pm Good to see you, Epig. ^^

As one often says, "Good to be seen."

And the feeling is likewise Dys. Your avatar was always wild and colorful. This one makes me want to check my head for rubber bands.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:02 pm I’m bad!

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:27 pm what's your experience, read accuracy, and strengths/weaknesses as mafia and town @Spacedaisy @Epignosis

I have a BA in English Language and Literature. I retired from teaching this year after twelve years in the field.

Strengths as mafia? I don't snitch.

Weaknesses as mafia? Never saw any of the Godfather or Scarface movies.

Strengths as town? I taught school for twelve years, as mentioned, thereby strengthening the town.

Weaknesses as town? The ever-increasingly complicated federal tax code.

Votes changeable?

To hell with it. Let's see.

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

lucy just needs a k

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:22 pm lucy just needs a k

what's the read?

l-u-c-k-y

that votes are changeable.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:32 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:22 pm lucy just needs a k

what's the read?

l-u-c-k-y

that votes are changeable.

ah, you don't need to vote in the thread, you probably know this given your 40k posts, and you probably shouldn't considering we have 100 posts today

I'm not using 100 posts today. Won't even hit 60.

Who thinks TripleHaven and Moonwink are phonies right off the bat?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:55 pm Epi got me wrong the last time, too, if I remember correctly. I'm not concerned about it. <3

I don't remember you. I retired from Mafia before you joined.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:02 pm [VOTE: Boquise] aubergine
I can't believe he hasn't posted anything more than a hello yet! D:

I'm instantly suspicious of anyone whose first word in the thread is "hello."

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today

so im sort of just biding my time until then

unordered readlist

martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy

epig
ricochet

Rico and me go way back.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:57 pm I'd ask everyone townreading Daisy on why they're townreading Daisy.

Ricochet gets my first green shield stamp of approval for asking this question.

Stamp and shout, Sir Ricochet. Stamp and shout.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:29 pm Maybe we should start shaking things up.

It is preety darn slow for a d1, even for my homesite's standards (which usually only has 400 posts for a d1). Was hoping things would be faster for once without me :/

Don't expect much from me Fri-Sun. That's hell with my new job. Rest of the week is pretty easy.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:34 pm I'm surprised that TH is the top-poster at 18 posts so far lol

If I wanted to make a stupid leap of faith and ignore my past reading mistakes with them I would say they're probably town for this

which I might just to avoid thinking about that

How hard is it to be the top poster with 18 posts?

Why is being the top poster meaningful?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:59 pm
Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.

Damn it.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.

I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.

You're hedging here. What leads you to this lean?

And yeah, I just Comic Sansed your entire post. Deal with it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:17 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

This is inaccurate.

I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:36 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.

I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.

You're hedging here. What leads you to this lean?

And yeah, I just Comic Sansed your entire post. Deal with it.

Read on and you'll see my mind change.

It isn't hedging. It is that I think it's too early to have more than a slight town lean on anyone. I don't want to put myself in any pockets.

But I am leaning more mafia on lucy now. I can't decide if I suspect her or Triplehaven more atm.

Yep, I read it. Cool.

At this moment I'm not voting for Rico, Spacedaisy, Martin, or Trips.

I'm currently fine with my present vote.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:17 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

This is inaccurate.

I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.

Was it the use of comic sans? :P

No. If I wanted to really cause some damage, I would have used Papyrus, which I find even more unsettling, especially when used by people who want to be taken seriously.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:28 pm However Epi and Moon being evasive is generally townie, usually when I do this to scum at the start of the day -scum that won't be suspicious d1 who can freely post- tend to answer my questions because that appears *open*.

I'd be inclined to believe lucy's thing here. There's a "fill out this form" and here are the results. Love it. But...

I have a hang up.

Here's the thing hanging, well, up:

What does lucy take away from the people who answered "non-evasively" or "open?" (However you wish to put it).

So I'll be interested in knowing lucy's takeaways from this exercise for people like Spacedaisy, who answered in earnest and didn't make a joke like I did.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:17 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

This is inaccurate.

I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.

What like in the back of a Volkswagon?

You don't know my core values.

I don't give a shit about "town core." Sounds like shitty village music.

I'm going to eat mafia alive, don't you worry.

What even was the event today? I was working. What came of it?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250

oh look here's town me doing the same

That link didn't work for me, but it's not relevant anyway. I don't care what you did before as a civilian in another game.

I care what you're doing with the information you're gathering in this game.

That's why my vote is still on you.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:02 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:49 am It was on the sus side at that halfway point because - whilst admittedly absent since - it was the only thing you did and it did not develop. Profiling or asking for meta info doesn't have inherent value until you develop reads or read into the reactions received.

@Boquise @Dyslexicon can confirm I don't make reads particularly early, but I'm trying to change that and I'm gonna make a reads list in the morning

Is it me or Martin?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:39 am @Epignosis do you have thoughts on any other slots beyond my own? specifically triple and dizzy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:58 pm At this moment I'm not voting for Rico, Spacedaisy, Martin, or Trips.

I don't have an opinion formed on Dyslexicon, but I don't think I've ever had one Day 1.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:18 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:36 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:35 am my right ear isn't working, I'm stuck in orlando, and I have to get to real analysis in 5.5 hours

ur a math major?

Music

Damn. Today isn't your day.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:33 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:37 pmWith that kind of talk, Martin's gonna become the most likely nightkill N1 instead of Dizzy if he's town!

Also,
[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Are you trying to get me killed because you don't want to solve me or what?

This response can only exist if Dyslexicon knows Moonwink isn't mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:18 pm
Also, this is probably a good time to mention that me and Rico lied about winning a vig shot. Our prize was different. I kind of wanted to do at least something, but the game is so dead, it didn't create much drama. If Rico flips mafia at some point, it might be interesting, considering mafia would already know we lied about it. But it probably wasn't hard to figure out we lied anyway. But in any case, day should probably not end with false information on the board.

How did the two of you coordinate this fabrication?

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:58 pm At this moment I'm not voting for Rico, Spacedaisy, Martin, or Trips.

I'm currently fine with my present vote.

and it becomes a bit yikers. Still think that Epi is town but not vibing with this townlist

Can't be all that bad, can it?

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:32 pmspacedaisy continues to be town

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:20 pm ey Epi you seem good

sell me on TH being town

I'm not sold myself. I'm not voting there today.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:38 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:35 pm

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:58 pm have minimal wim, yall do whatever you want just reeval later

Or wait. Is this post weird?

"Just reevaluate later"

If TH is about to flip town, wouldn't that just make the reevaluation moot? Like, we'd already be reevaluating, because we'd already know we were wrong.

So the statement isn't genuine. It's like "Remember to reevaluate me when I've flipped town guiseee".

Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it does seem kind of phoney. I think I like this.

[VOTE: TripleHaven] aubergine

@lucy @Jackofhearts2005 @Dolby @Epignosis Whoever is around. Does this make sense?

Gurl, people talk like that all the time.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:14 pm Also, no post cap today, so I can spam post all I want now, lol

You had something like 60 leftover posts last time.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:44 pm @Epignosis I still wanna form, like, a group of people to work with that includes you and SpaceDaisy, because I do genuinely believe that at most one of you is wolf (worst case scenario), if any at all (best case scenario). Do you have a pair of people that doesn't include us three that probably aren't scum together?

For future reference, mentioning me isn't necessary because I prefer to read the thread in chronological context, so I'll get to your post when I arrive at it, promise. I know you (and lucy below) don't know that about me, so I wanted to respond as soon as I could.

To answer your question, my mind doesn't work like that, and certainly not this early. Although I'm not altogether sure what you're asking for, since why would you want to work with me and Spacedaisy if one of us is bad? What does "work with" mean here?

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:52 pm @Epignosis are you gonna talk more bucko?

Are you aware that I'm also currently cohosting a an Anniversary Game that had a phase that just ended? And that I'm working my job at the same time? I don't need to be prompted to speak. I'll speak when I get to it (see above).

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:24 pm ftr I have some jack town meta from Mac

A bowl of Mac and Jack could be tasty.

Fourteen people total, so we're looking at three mafia if there's no independent role.

My first order of business is to revisit why people voted for TripleHaven (I refuse to say "TH") and then perhaps why people refrained.

Well shit. That was fast.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Nah, I rescind that vote. I think I'm misreading Dolby something fierce. [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Nah, that's not the way this works. You all get the privilege of my thoughts even if they're wrong. I don't care. Two shakes please.

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:42 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:41 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:58 pm At this moment I'm not voting for Rico, Spacedaisy, Martin, or Trips.

I'm currently fine with my present vote.

and it becomes a bit yikers. Still think that Epi is town but not vibing with this townlist

Can't be all that bad, can it?

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:32 pmspacedaisy continues to be town

yeah i just didn't like every one except for that at the time

This bothers me. First, that Dolby "still thinks" I'm good, but I can't find exactly why in the post history. There's a reference to me liking something someone else quoted of me (?) (one of the posts that made me backtrack), but I'm not understanding it. Perhaps Dolby would like to clarify, and I'll leave my vote there until that happens.

I'll stop there. [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine, though it isn't a hard vote. I feel like I'm wasting my time reading what I don't understand until I get clarification, so I'll move on.

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:07 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:48 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:47 pm Who thinks TripleHaven and Moonwink are phonies right off the bat?

Interested in Moonwink.
Don't think TSP posted anything besides banter and that "spacedaisy v" comment that I don't get what it means.

What's your take?

I'm not going to go too hard into self meta but tldr

i lean a lot into early snap reads and they tend to be relatively accurate (probably more than you'd think).

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:12 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:05 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:02 pm I’m bad!

Epi already trying to frame me. Smells wolfy.

spacedaisy v

In general, wolves have a harder time arguing their points from a town perspective, which is why i V read this post.

I am having a hard time believing Spacedaisy goes from what's up there to what's down there on Day 1 in such few posts and without probing.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:59 pm I think Rico is a terrible Day 1 elim, frankly. He's a strong player and if he is town, he's worth having around.

I don't understand Triplehaven's read on me at all. I thought at first it was just nonsense. But then he actually tried to cast it as a real read. The things is, he could have used any of my very honest posts about my experience, strengths, weaknesses, etc. instead he used what was clearly a joke post? I think this could be a case of TMI.

[VOTE: Triplehaven] aubergine

Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.

slight town lean on Dizzy and Boq atm.

I struggle here:

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today

so im sort of just biding my time until then

unordered readlist

martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy

epig
ricochet

What Spacedaisy accused Trips of was exactly what she did for Ricochet and (to a lesser extent) Dizzy, Boq, and me. This early, one could easily accuse her of too much information.

I think if Spacedaisy really wanted to get to the bottom of Trips' alignment (as any civilian should), there should be some back and forth, some kind of engagement. Instead, this was all I could find:

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:36 pm

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:32 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:59 pm I think Rico is a terrible Day 1 elim, frankly. He's a strong player and if he is town, he's worth having around.

I don't understand Triplehaven's read on me at all. I thought at first it was just nonsense. But then he actually tried to cast it as a real read. The things is, he could have used any of my very honest posts about my experience, strengths, weaknesses, etc. instead he used what was clearly a joke post? I think this could be a case of TMI.

[VOTE: Triplehaven] aubergine

Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.

slight town lean on Dizzy and Boq atm.

For the record, I understood that your post was a joke. I still think it comes from town more often than it does mafia.

You are, once again, arguing for points from a town POV, which makes you town.

(Martin has already corrected a few people on this, but please use she or they for me, thanks )

I missed Martin's correction, I apologize and will endeavor to use your correct pronouns.

Nothing that engages with the actual content presented, nothing that tries to determine if Trips is good or bad.

I called Spacedaisy good Day 1, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why was Trips singled out for this?

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine for now.

Sorry if the formatting sucks.

Going to pause. I remember lucy voted for preservation and Dyslexicon is going to take longer to go through.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:53 am kinda interested in epi not snapping at Lucy

Can you elaborate on this? I don't recall what you mean.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:54 pm

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:49 pm Is it weird that I’m wondering how to not have my first post be scummy when I’m not even scum? =p

so what im gaining from this post is

you are town

I’d love to say that was the intended purpose, but that is not entirely true.

Hmm.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:44 am

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:04 pm i finally get to play with jack. yay!

TH/Jack not w/w

TH probably town anyway, but yeah.

Hmm.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:44 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:47 pm Who thinks TripleHaven and Moonwink are phonies right off the bat?

Not really. I just think they have light, fluffy and pink auras.

Hmm.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:51 am

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:50 am dyslexicon townreading and then scumleaning me in the same post is lol

No? I town lean you tbh

Hmm.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:06 pmim gay

Hmm.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:57 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:41 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:39 am [VOTE: TH] aubergine

feels like ur baiting me again, but why?

I’m not. I wanted to move my vote. I don’t have any strong suspicions myself. TH has been itching in the back of my mind. They came in with very early and loose town reads of me and Daisy. Would actually be interested to check whether that is custom for their mafia play, to shoot out reads like that possibly in a tmi manner. I don’t have the time to check that right now tho. But would be interested to see @TripleHaven’s last games as mafia and town. I know they did say they often have early reads. Also lol meta diving tbh.

I don’t have much direction rn. Not baiting anyone

Hmm.

SpaceDaisy and Dyslexicon have the same reason for voting Trips. "TMI"

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:08 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:06 pm You know what. I'm going to go with my first gut, which was

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Which is sad. And very sad if I'm wrong.

Nope

[VOTE: TripleHaven] aubergine

Spacedaisy and Dyslexicon both want Rico preserved for Day 2.

Hmm.

Day 1 Mafia in a vacuum is Spacedaisy, Dyslexicon, and Ricochet.