The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:All right kiddies.

Elohcin wrote:I'm here! I voted for 24 hours b/c I think we should get started as soon as possible. It's been weeks since I played mafia. And, this is a speed game.

I won't be around for the beginning though. I will be out late tonight. But I may be able to come in after I get home.

Nothing from this post.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Voting Eloh.

loon.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It pains me to disparage a lady, but I do believe Elohcin's response to that random vote from her husband was a bit lifeless. Considering she is here to see Neil Hartley live and in the flesh, I know she isn't that bored. The look on her face, it's giving Neil the wrong impression.

So yeah, it was like after midnight when I posted that response to Epi. Maybe that's why it seems lifeless. Last night was my monthly ladies night out and I didn't come home until I had my fill of caramel apple sangria.

I cannot even remember what emoji I used. Wait....I do remember. Was it was "I'm wacko" one ...I think so. That emoji makes me think of someone being crazy and silly with their post/vote. I actually didn't even look to see he ACTUALLY voted for me. I thought he was kidding at the time. Maybe I ought to vote him back But probably not as I might be voting to save myself with it being so close and all.

I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know.

I'll hold off on voting for now.

This post on its own makes 3J look good. There wasn't the deliberateness associated with an under-the-bus maneuver.

I'm going to skip over posts I get nothing from.

Elohcin wrote:I honestly don't know what to say in defence. There is nothing to defend against. Your role playing or lack thereof confuses me.

This reinforces my opinion of 3J. So do the next few posts in the history.

Elohcin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...

What's ya beef with the bird with teeth?

Nome...it was one of two
..him or Mac. No need.

Votes are changeable and the day is barely half over. This is not the time to be casting preservation votes. Vote wherever your suspicions are!

Oh my goodness! I was thinking days were 24 hours for some reason! I thought I got my vote in like 3 minutes before the bell!!! I wake up this morning looking hard for a host post and everything. GAH! I'm gettin' OLD. Someone save me!!

Okay, I have like 2 pages to catch up on. I am busy today, but I will get there eventually.

This thing here.

If Elohcin had a decent team, she should have known when the Day phase ended. I'm reading this as genuinely clueless, and not feigned. So what does that mean?

Elohcin loves BTSC, and she loves talking with her team about anything and everything. She's a talker.

Couple that post with the following:

Elohcin wrote:I honestly don't know what to say in defence. There is nothing to defend against. Your role playing or lack thereof confuses me.

Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...

And what you have is an indication that her team wasn't on the same page Day 1. Consider:

1. Eloh genuinely didn't know the Day phase was 48 hours.
2. That means nobody on her team told her / they weren't focused on Day 1 strategy
3. Eloh ends up voting Scotty instead of holding out and making it a tie. I think that's significant. If she was that interested in saving herself, she only needed to vote last minute against someone with one vote and make it a however-many-way tie, and there would likely have been a no-lynch. She didn't do that. She went for Scotty.

Then this:

Elohcin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Having said that, I'm moving my vote back to Elohcin for the reasons I mentioned earlier. I'm off to work now, so I won't be posting much at all, but i'll try to glance at my phone when I can to stay loosely caught up. Don't be surprised if I cast a sudden and silent vote near the end of the day. I do that sometimes at work and people always freak out about it.

You said if it was true that I thought it was a 24 hour Day 1 that you wouldn't look at me as bad. Then you say you're moving your vote back to me. What gives?

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

No, they both had two votes. And I thought it was like 3 minutes til EoD!

LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.

I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.

Now, as for my vote today (Day 1 ) I can see where scotty can be bad. I am moving my vote there. I don't want to vote BWT if I don't have to. Hate to lose a possible civ position even if it's a quiet one.

Uh-huh.

Eloh doesn't want to vote birdie, who hadn't been there, as I recall. An absent teammate is still a teammate.

I have to leave soon, but I will be back. I'm voting indiglo based on the above. Also

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi, please elaborate your feelings regarding Elo if you don't mind.

Nice gal. I like her a lot.

Do you honestly think I'd have anything concrete to say about her based on the few posts she has, several of which were about thinking the Day ended after 24 hours?

I knew you had nothing on me. Now I am a top suspect b/c you decided to be silly and call out my name. Thanks a lot, bub.

And, why did you change to sanmateo or whatever. Has he/she even posted yet?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Is Wilgy still a near-consensus suspect as well? Because that approach worked out so well today.

What's the approach and why do you have a problem with it?

The approach of picking off the player who is most widely suspected. I am cautious because we just used it to lynch a townie.

Sloonei wrote:Is Wilgy still a near-consensus suspect as well? Because that approach worked out so well today.

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Not really hopeful of seeing a Mafia flip on this one considering the complete lack of opposition.

indiglo herself isn't protesting the lynch. Why would her teammates?

Is this you actually telling us the answer lol.

MacDougall wrote:Not really hopeful of seeing a Mafia flip on this one considering the complete lack of opposition.

insertnamehere wrote:Epi, would you care to explain your Day 1 vote?

Elohcin wrote:I'm here! I voted for 24 hours b/c I think we should get started as soon as possible. It's been weeks since I played mafia. And, this is a speed game.

I won't be around for the beginning though. I will be out late tonight. But I may be able to come in after I get home.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Voting Eloh.

loon.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It pains me to disparage a lady, but I do believe Elohcin's response to that random vote from her husband was a bit lifeless. Considering she is here to see Neil Hartley live and in the flesh, I know she isn't that bored. The look on her face, it's giving Neil the wrong impression.

So yeah, it was like after midnight when I posted that response to Epi. Maybe that's why it seems lifeless. Last night was my monthly ladies night out and I didn't come home until I had my fill of caramel apple sangria.

I cannot even remember what emoji I used. Wait....I do remember. Was it was "I'm wacko" one ...I think so. That emoji makes me think of someone being crazy and silly with their post/vote. I actually didn't even look to see he ACTUALLY voted for me. I thought he was kidding at the time. Maybe I ought to vote him back But probably not as I might be voting to save myself with it being so close and all.

I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know.

I'll hold off on voting for now.

Elohcin wrote:I honestly don't know what to say in defence. There is nothing to defend against. Your role playing or lack thereof confuses me.

Elohcin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...

What's ya beef with the bird with teeth?

Nome...it was one of two
..him or Mac. No need.

Votes are changeable and the day is barely half over. This is not the time to be casting preservation votes. Vote wherever your suspicions are!

Oh my goodness! I was thinking days were 24 hours for some reason! I thought I got my vote in like 3 minutes before the bell!!! I wake up this morning looking hard for a host post and everything. GAH! I'm gettin' OLD. Someone save me!!

Okay, I have like 2 pages to catch up on. I am busy today, but I will get there eventually.

Elohcin wrote:I honestly don't know what to say in defence. There is nothing to defend against. Your role playing or lack thereof confuses me.

Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...

Elohcin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Having said that, I'm moving my vote back to Elohcin for the reasons I mentioned earlier. I'm off to work now, so I won't be posting much at all, but i'll try to glance at my phone when I can to stay loosely caught up. Don't be surprised if I cast a sudden and silent vote near the end of the day. I do that sometimes at work and people always freak out about it.

You said if it was true that I thought it was a 24 hour Day 1 that you wouldn't look at me as bad. Then you say you're moving your vote back to me. What gives?

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

No, they both had two votes. And I thought it was like 3 minutes til EoD!

LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.

I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.

Now, as for my vote today (Day 1 ) I can see where scotty can be bad. I am moving my vote there. I don't want to vote BWT if I don't have to. Hate to lose a possible civ position even if it's a quiet one.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi, please elaborate your feelings regarding Elo if you don't mind.

Nice gal. I like her a lot.

Do you honestly think I'd have anything concrete to say about her based on the few posts she has, several of which were about thinking the Day ended after 24 hours?

I knew you had nothing on me. Now I am a top suspect b/c you decided to be silly and call out my name. Thanks a lot, bub.

And, why did you change to sanmateo or whatever. Has he/she even posted yet?

Dom wrote:Mac is making me nervous.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well that kill helps. No offense to MP of course, it just prevents a lot of distraction and maybe a mislynch.

I died Night 1. You're still alive.

Huh.

They sure tried to kill me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well that kill helps. No offense to MP of course, it just prevents a lot of distraction and maybe a mislynch.

MacDougall wrote:No I still think Zebragnosis is bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Nobody is an ideal vote Day 1.

Do you believe my last minute switch is an important topic going into Day 2?

It's worth discussing. Scotty was the lynch, we know his alignment, and so anything relevant to Scotty is worth discussing.

You've still not answered the question. Your posts on this page have no function. You specifically elected to take your vote off of Scotty and then you placed it on sanmateo. You must have thus felt that sanmateo was "closer" to ideal than Scotty was as a voting option. Describe the thought process that took you there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't care about Epi's vote at the time or after Scotty's flip. I agree though that he could be handling this criticism better.

I'll expand.

His responses to INH and Zebra have been focused on whether or not his vote change was suspicious. He is contesting that it was suspicious. This strikes me as useless dialogue, because there are few scenarios which would facilitate Epignosis calling his own content suspicious. A more substantive and useful response would be to explain why he changed the vote. Elohcin asked him that question directly, and his answer was that he didn't know why he changed it; it just felt good.

I'd assert that even whimsical decisions in Mafia are motivated by something tangible. Epi: did you feel sanmateo specifically was an ideal vote? Was it more about getting off the Scotty wagon? Something else? Please explain your answer.

insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:It's also in the post you are quoting actually. Jumping off a mislynch right before it happens is suspicious. No mental gymnastics can deny that.

So...I must have never anticipated anybody jumping on the fact that I jumped off Scotty at the last minute.

All so I can claim having no responsibility for his lynch.

Even though at the deadline I made it clear I had voted Scotty.

Got it.

Straight to misrepresenting my argument, classic. No, you still could and in fact would anticipate people jumping on you jumping off Scotty, and you would count on doing what you're doing now and brush it off by claiming there was nothing to gain from it, even though we all know you would be under more scrutiny for staying on the Scotty wagon because your content for the bulk of that phase pointed more towards a Rico vote. You also don't need to claim to having no responsibility for Scotty's lynch; it's just evident from your vote not being on it.

a2thezebra wrote:It's also in the post you are quoting actually. Jumping off a mislynch right before it happens is suspicious. No mental gymnastics can deny that.

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I changed my vote to sanmateo, by the way.

Could you elaborate on this if there's any concrete reasoning behind it? Particularly why it was less than twenty minutes before the lynch?

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:The two people who came out of Day 1 looking worse for me are Elo and Epi, those two lovebirds.

Elo's Scotty vote and "self-preservation" was weird to me. Same thing with Epi's ultimately useless last second switcheroo where he jumped off of the Scotty train mere seconds before it crashed into a wall. I'd really like to see his explanation for his vote because right now it just rings as hollowly opportunistic.

What's the opportunity?

The opportunity would be to deny responsibility for a mislynch by not having your final vote as a contribution to it.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:You were on Scotty, right?

Correct.

a2thezebra wrote:I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.

insertnamehere wrote:The two people who came out of Day 1 looking worse for me are Elo and Epi, those two lovebirds.

Elo's Scotty vote and "self-preservation" was weird to me. Same thing with Epi's ultimately useless last second switcheroo where he jumped off of the Scotty train mere seconds before it crashed into a wall. I'd really like to see his explanation for his vote because right now it just rings as hollowly opportunistic.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi, please elaborate your feelings regarding Elo if you don't mind.

Nice gal. I like her a lot.

Do you honestly think I'd have anything concrete to say about her based on the few posts she has, several of which were about thinking the Day ended after 24 hours?

I knew you had nothing on me. Now I am a top suspect b/c you decided to be silly and call out my name. Thanks a lot, bub.

Elohcin wrote:And, why did you change to sanmateo or whatever. Has he/she even posted yet?

S~V~S wrote:You were on Scotty, right?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi, please elaborate your feelings regarding Elo if you don't mind.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:MP, you've yet to set a coherent voice this game. You are doing whatever is convenient in the moment. You are buddying to me. I am suspciious of this.

I really don't understand what you're talking about. Please help me. I'm not doing what is convenient. I'm trying to solve the game, but I'm also trying not to get worked up. That's it.

S~V~S wrote: Linki @Epi, you KNOW I hate vagueness & innuendo in Mafia. Just come out & say it if you have a reason to suspect him, or why bother? xoxoxox

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's a possibility Scotty is bad.

There is a possibility anyone is bad.

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm changing my vote to Scotty.

Scotty wrote:Epi is on my radar for stringing some names along that I think could be pushing us away from the right track. May just be Epi being curt and mildly pompous with his explanation, but I see the angle where he could be bad.

I have so far voted Elohcin and Ricochet.

Scotty wrote:As for the Rico-Mac debacle, I have to take the side of Mac here, and while I understand Rico taking a stand to policy lynch for his own personal reasons, i feel like the other woman in the relationship- like, the other other woman that wants no part in sloppy 12ths. Ya know what I'm saying? I want to say only one of them is mafia, if that. In no world are they both mafia IMO. I'm currently leaning neither are.

Scotty wrote:Elo might be bad...I don't like that apparent "preservation" vote 24 hours early, and although I've done that before by mistake for not reading the deadline thoroughly, I was bad both times I did so. Though nothing else she has said is jumping out to me right now.

To which of those votes do you object?

I'm currently voting for BWT, so I'm not sure what you're up in arms about.

I think you are proficient in steering the thread if you need to be, and even though I have my reservations about similar candidates, it still doesn't mean you aren't fishy.

Your (semi) accusation against me is that I'm pushing people away from the right track. That implies that you think RIcochet and Elohcin are civilians, and that I am trying to get either of them lynched.

However, in the same post, you imply Ricochet and Elohcin are bad. How can you accuse me of pushing people in the wrong direction when you, in some capacity, agree with both of those directions?

You're talking like I'm talking in absolutes, when I'm not. I simply think both could be bad. Leaving myself an out, I know. Still voting for a no-show day 1.

You're very hard to pin down, and I have never confessed to be any good at having a rousing or level argument with you. I thought it worth noting that there is a possibility you could be leading us down the wrong track. Whether or not that is the case I have no idea.

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm changing my vote to Scotty.

Scotty wrote:Epi is on my radar for stringing some names along that I think could be pushing us away from the right track. May just be Epi being curt and mildly pompous with his explanation, but I see the angle where he could be bad.

I have so far voted Elohcin and Ricochet.

Scotty wrote:As for the Rico-Mac debacle, I have to take the side of Mac here, and while I understand Rico taking a stand to policy lynch for his own personal reasons, i feel like the other woman in the relationship- like, the other other woman that wants no part in sloppy 12ths. Ya know what I'm saying? I want to say only one of them is mafia, if that. In no world are they both mafia IMO. I'm currently leaning neither are.

Scotty wrote:Elo might be bad...I don't like that apparent "preservation" vote 24 hours early, and although I've done that before by mistake for not reading the deadline thoroughly, I was bad both times I did so. Though nothing else she has said is jumping out to me right now.

To which of those votes do you object?

I'm currently voting for BWT, so I'm not sure what you're up in arms about.

I think you are proficient in steering the thread if you need to be, and even though I have my reservations about similar candidates, it still doesn't mean you aren't fishy.

Scotty wrote:Epi is on my radar for stringing some names along that I think could be pushing us away from the right track. May just be Epi being curt and mildly pompous with his explanation, but I see the angle where he could be bad.

Scotty wrote:As for the Rico-Mac debacle, I have to take the side of Mac here, and while I understand Rico taking a stand to policy lynch for his own personal reasons, i feel like the other woman in the relationship- like, the other other woman that wants no part in sloppy 12ths. Ya know what I'm saying? I want to say only one of them is mafia, if that. In no world are they both mafia IMO. I'm currently leaning neither are.

Scotty wrote:Elo might be bad...I don't like that apparent "preservation" vote 24 hours early, and although I've done that before by mistake for not reading the deadline thoroughly, I was bad both times I did so. Though nothing else she has said is jumping out to me right now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Elohcin-Ricochet-Dom-???

I'm operating on that theory right now.

How does MP look?

Forced. But that isn't enough for me. He always looks forced to me.

Really? What do you mean exactly?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Elohcin-Ricochet-Dom-???

I'm operating on that theory right now.

How does MP look?

Forced. But that isn't enough for me. He always looks forced to me.

This isn't ideal. Epignosis can use this comment as an origin point to justify either supporting or opposing MP later.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Elohcin-Ricochet-Dom-???

I'm operating on that theory right now.

How does MP look?

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:I do not suspect Elohcin.

Why not?

i don't think anything she's done is abnormal for her civvie game... maybe a better way of saying it is that nothing she's done has made me think she is bad

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I moved my vote to someone with no votes.

Rico's an interesting choice and I refuse to believe it's random or arbitrary. Tell me why.

Ricochet wrote:Don't get what's confusing about that, S~V~S. Self-preservation goal implies to prevent something for your own good. What better way to counter the odds of Mac being bad and getting even to Night 1 and try to make his team eliminate me, because I'm one of the players he doesn't like playing against?

And that Day Zero comment of mine was by far the jokey one, due to context of G-Man calling out to those who haven't even read their PMs. I would have started Day One the same way, regardless of any Day Zero chatter or banter.

G-Man wrote: 7. Wincons are dead or alive unless otherwise specified in your role. The host reserves the right to deny win credit to those players who fail to pull their own weight.