The Syndicate

I mean who gives a fuck about Christmas?

To think we give presents on a random day- that's extortion.

Did you know that people are more suicidal around Christmastime?

Christmas should be banned, especially in schools, which are full of impressionable children.

Christmas ruins everything.

Christmas symbolizes the destruction of decency and America.

Christmas...why, that's just an excuse for retailers to sell you more cheap made-in-China crap than you would buy at any other time of the year.

God started it. Christmas every year now. And what for?

Every time this year, same old shit- gimmie gimmie gimmie.

Fuck Christmas.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.
Thanks for letting me know.
Do you care if the civilians win? 10 Christmas cookies and a partridge in a pear tree says you don't.
So 3J is a civilian now?
I doubt it. I'm just poking you, because I'm worried you don't.

What gives you that worry?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.
Thanks for letting me know.
Do you care if the civilians win? 10 Christmas cookies and a partridge in a pear tree says you don't.

So 3J is a civilian now?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.

Thanks for letting me know.

Scotty wrote:I think you're messier than usual this game, Epi.

And what exactly does this say about me? Am I messy when I'm bad? How exactly am I messy here? Does messy = bad alignment? Are you accusing me of having a disorganized spreadsheet?

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:Epig, is there a reason you are waiting to vote?
There was, but not really anymore.
Were you holding your vote to see if you needed to save your partner, BWT?
This is really stupid.

Votes are changeable. If I need to save someone, I can change my vote. Do you see how that works.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:I haven't been throwing doubts on MM, I've been saying he's civ?
He said I was "throwing doubts" on MM and BWT. My opinion was that MM was bad and that BWT was good. I interpreted "throwing doubts" as saying it was a bad lynch.
What about BWT specifically is making you feel so confident in his goodness?
And why didn't you vote for MM, who you are sure is bad, instead of casually throwing a useless vote on JJJ last second?
I'd save BWT even if he wasn't my partner. I've done it before. Dude gets lynched Day 1 even in a fucking sockpuppet game. I feel bad for him, and he seemed to be really having a go at this one. I don't really care about his alignment. I'm happy he has had a chance to actually play a game past Day 2.

I am not confident in BWT's goodness, and I am not sure MM is bad.

How was my 3J vote casual and last second? I said I was going to vote 3J a long time ago but took my time in thinking about it. I voted when I did because that's when I voted. Your vote was casual and last second.

Is there any purpose to your questioning, Scotty?
So it sounds like the only reason you're sticking your neck out for BWT is that he gets lynched early all the time? I agree that he doesn't last that long, but if he's bad, we gotta gitterdone.

"I don't really care about his alignment"
O rly. Then what are you trying to do in this game if not look for bad guys? If your "friend" showed up one day after having been away for years and demands you give him 20k for a surefire investment in the swamps, would you do it? He always gets a bad wrap for making bad investments, but he seems so earnest this time around, why not right?

Why did you wait to vote all day? If you were ultimately going to pile on to JJJ at the end?
My vote was hardly casual. Maybe last second, sure. You left the door open for a while when you said you were still thinking.

I think you're messier than usual this game, Epi.

I waited because I felt like it.

Why is birdwithteeth bad, Scotty?

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I understand that if birdwithteeth gets lynched and comes back bad I'm going to get shit for it, but I don't care.

birdwithteeth11
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Metalmarsh89 (2), JaggedJimmyJay (9), Scotty (11), Quin (12)

Quite a party.

MM, who survived a lynch in a game where the civilians can skip a Night, block all actions including the kill, have BTSC and potential BTSC, a serious numbers advantage, among other abilities and secrets, is the first to vote birdwithteeth (a guy who apparently hasn't been around). If birdwithteeth is bad, I'd still say MM threw him under the bus (keep in mind, MM is the sort who Night killed his own teammate before).

The second is probably the serial killer and despite what he tells you, doesn't care who dies.

The third is a guy who has hardly been around.

The fourth is someone who recently subbed in, and whose best judgment was to keep a killer around simply because he posts "useful" things.

None of these votes seem well-informed or well-intentioned.
Not all of these people can be bad.

I wasn't accusing them all of being bad.

Scotty wrote:Would it be unbalanced to think that the SK would have one lynch stop?

No, but I don't think balance is an issue anymore.

Scotty wrote:do we think that the same role has a mechanism that is stopping these lynches or 2 separate lynch stops on 2 separate factions?

I don't know what "we" think. There is no "we."

Scotty wrote:I'm in the camp that MM is a civ with a lynch stop and JJJ is in another camp with a lynch stop.

I'm not.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob
No wait, fuck Laconic humor.

If you really believe bird is bad, you should still be voting him. Why aren't you? And why the hell are you saying I'm bad if he is? Man up and stick to your guns. Don't bitch out and make a little bullshit statement you can hold on to afterward regardless of the result.
I believe them both to be bad. You really are the most vocal I think in calling for us to not lynch BWT, so it just makes sense that you're throwing shade around.
What does "throwing shade around" mean?

I am stating my opinions and calling people out for what I believe to be bad or insincere thinking.
You answered your own question.

Do you think I am insincere in my thinking?

Then you don't know what "throwing shade" means.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:Epig, is there a reason you are waiting to vote?
There was, but not really anymore.
Were you holding your vote to see if you needed to save your partner, BWT?

This is really stupid.

Votes are changeable. If I need to save someone, I can change my vote. Do you see how that works.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:I haven't been throwing doubts on MM, I've been saying he's civ?
He said I was "throwing doubts" on MM and BWT. My opinion was that MM was bad and that BWT was good. I interpreted "throwing doubts" as saying it was a bad lynch.
What about BWT specifically is making you feel so confident in his goodness?
And why didn't you vote for MM, who you are sure is bad, instead of casually throwing a useless vote on JJJ last second?

I'd save BWT even if he wasn't my partner. I've done it before. Dude gets lynched Day 1 even in a fucking sockpuppet game. I feel bad for him, and he seemed to be really having a go at this one. I don't really care about his alignment. I'm happy he has had a chance to actually play a game past Day 2.

I am not confident in BWT's goodness, and I am not sure MM is bad.

How was my 3J vote casual and last second? I said I was going to vote 3J a long time ago but took my time in thinking about it. I voted when I did because that's when I voted. Your vote was casual and last second.

Is there any purpose to your questioning, Scotty?

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob
No wait, fuck Laconic humor.

If you really believe bird is bad, you should still be voting him. Why aren't you? And why the hell are you saying I'm bad if he is? Man up and stick to your guns. Don't bitch out and make a little bullshit statement you can hold on to afterward regardless of the result.
I believe them both to be bad. You really are the most vocal I think in calling for us to not lynch BWT, so it just makes sense that you're throwing shade around.

What does "throwing shade around" mean?

I am stating my opinions and calling people out for what I believe to be bad or insincere thinking.

Scotty wrote:Wtf is going on.

And ha Epi got pretty incensed to quote the same post in 3 separate posts just to call bullshit on me. Was it something I said?

@Rico
What does it mean to "treble" the vote?

Yes, it was something you said. Clearly.

timmer wrote:
timmer wrote:
I can't believe you found this gif, Epig, I'm still dying over it!

timmer wrote:I haven't been throwing doubts on MM, I've been saying he's civ?

He said I was "throwing doubts" on MM and BWT. My opinion was that MM was bad and that BWT was good. I interpreted "throwing doubts" as saying it was a bad lynch.

Epignosis wrote:If birdwithteeth is a civilian with momentum against him, a solid mafia strategy would be to cast doubt on the 3J business, lynch bird, and then lament that we should have lynched 3J after all, oh gosh look he killed again come on lets get him

Lorab, what's your opinion of that strategy?

Maybe it's Scotty's strategy that didn't work out.

Scotty wrote:Also I see Epi as a moderate mafia read now regardless. I don't think with the current mock-up of people left that the mafia wants the SK gone just quite yet. Throwing doubts on MM, and on BWT, is a very subtle way to appear baddie-hunting while not actually doing so.

Mafia always want the SK gone. The SK is the only one who can eliminate their numbers without convincing others to do it.

And I didn't throw doubts on MM. timmer did that. Nice try.

Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob

How do you know he hasn't asked?

Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob

No wait, fuck Laconic humor.

If you really believe bird is bad, you should still be voting him. Why aren't you? And why the hell are you saying I'm bad if he is? Man up and stick to your guns. Don't bitch out and make a little bullshit statement you can hold on to afterward regardless of the result.

Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob

If.

timmer wrote:Epig, is there a reason you are waiting to vote?

There was, but not really anymore.

BWT hasn't even been here to save himself.

timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:And you still trust MM after it was clear he survived a lynch...adding to that the fact that a Night was skipped? One civilian role already skips a night by blocking all actions. Now there's a second night passed.

Do you still think it's reasonable that MM survived a lynch for a good reason?
Sorry, I missed this earlier, I'm assuming it was to me, and yes, I think I do.

I don't agree with you.

But okay.

G-Man's last post has me still scratching my head.

If birdwithteeth is a civilian with momentum against him, a solid mafia strategy would be to cast doubt on the 3J business, lynch bird, and then lament that we should have lynched 3J after all, oh gosh look he killed again come on lets get him

Lorab, what's your opinion of that strategy?

Once again it's falling into the thinking of "I want to lynch him because he isn't doing what I want him to do" (i.e., post more and explain some things).

But if he isn't around, he isn't going to do what people want.

I've been screaming against terrible lynches this whole time. This feels like another one. Maybe I'm finally wrong, but I don't think I am.

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't understand the certainty surrounding birdwithteeth.

If you lynch birdwithteeth, and he's good, you done fucked up real good.
What do you think about BWT?
No clear opinion except that people like lynching him for some reason. One thing I believe that is a point in his favor is that he is posting as he catches up. That's hard to do if you are bad. Look at the machine gun nature of his posts when he was around.
A more specific question then - do you approve of a BWT lynch?

No. I don't think I do.

Another point in his favor is that even if he is bad, he's probably not the one doing the killing. His last post was Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:05 pm EST. That's five days.

Yeah, I think his lynch is bullshit.

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't understand the certainty surrounding birdwithteeth.

If you lynch birdwithteeth, and he's good, you done fucked up real good.
What do you think about BWT?

No clear opinion except that people like lynching him for some reason. One thing I believe that is a point in his favor is that he is posting as he catches up. That's hard to do if you are bad. Look at the machine gun nature of his posts when he was around.

I understand that if birdwithteeth gets lynched and comes back bad I'm going to get shit for it, but I don't care.

birdwithteeth11
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Metalmarsh89 (2), JaggedJimmyJay (9), Scotty (11), Quin (12)

Quite a party.

MM, who survived a lynch in a game where the civilians can skip a Night, block all actions including the kill, have BTSC and potential BTSC, a serious numbers advantage, among other abilities and secrets, is the first to vote birdwithteeth (a guy who apparently hasn't been around). If birdwithteeth is bad, I'd still say MM threw him under the bus (keep in mind, MM is the sort who Night killed his own teammate before).

The second is probably the serial killer and despite what he tells you, doesn't care who dies.

The third is a guy who has hardly been around.

The fourth is someone who recently subbed in, and whose best judgment was to keep a killer around simply because he posts "useful" things.

None of these votes seem well-informed or well-intentioned.

Quin wrote:Actually, I agree with Scotty. I'd rather lynch a mafia then a SK. And even if that SK is 3J, he's going to be scum-hunting and he'll bring activity into the thread. He's more of an asset to us alive than dead.

He's done a bang up job lynching civilians so far (and night killing them too).

I don't understand the certainty surrounding birdwithteeth.

If you lynch birdwithteeth, and he's good, you done fucked up real good.

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
G-Man wrote:Doing the sheeple thing and voting Jimmy. Epi's case is intriguing but speculative. Sometimes you have to go with speculative in order to break a game your way. Jimmy's votes don't look good or bad, which gives me pause, but I also haven't had enough proper time to dig through them all to look for tinfoil patterns. I can see them as the intentional work of a baddie or the unintentional work of a civvie but not the intentional work of a civvie.
I know you just got here, but this post reeks of trying too hard to say very little.

First, I don't really have a "case" against 3J. Somebody who knows who the serial killer is called 3J the serial killer. That's about all there is to that.

Second, if 3J is the serial killer, how is looking at his votes is a useful way to spend your time? If you've read my "case," then your comment about 3J's votes doesn't make sense.

Third, that last sentence...
Can you dig up the post/s where he does that?

It's at the top of this very page.

G-Man wrote:Doing the sheeple thing and voting Jimmy. Epi's case is intriguing but speculative. Sometimes you have to go with speculative in order to break a game your way. Jimmy's votes don't look good or bad, which gives me pause, but I also haven't had enough proper time to dig through them all to look for tinfoil patterns. I can see them as the intentional work of a baddie or the unintentional work of a civvie but not the intentional work of a civvie.

I know you just got here, but this post reeks of trying too hard to say very little.

First, I don't really have a "case" against 3J. Somebody who knows who the serial killer is called 3J the serial killer. That's about all there is to that.

Second, if 3J is the serial killer, how is looking at his votes is a useful way to spend your time? If you've read my "case," then your comment about 3J's votes doesn't make sense.

Third, that last sentence...

This was nijuukyugou's last living post:

nijuukyugou wrote:ARGHHHH so I'm all for lynching either MM or trice now, the latter a lot for this (among other reasons read, although not as compelling and beautifully tinfoil-y):

Boomslang wrote:Fun fact: Lorab only started posting in "sad" and "sadness" acronyms after Trice used the Donald Trump syntax.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Crooked Epignosis thinks he can keep throwing whoppers after a civvie insanified him, sad!
I have no idea if that means anything, but it's just funky enough that it tickles my brain.

Linki w/MP: And my half-baked theory is that Trice triggered Lorab's curse with that post.
Linki w/MP2: Uh, starting a lynch this late? Do you really not believe in either of the big trains going right now, or are you conveniently copping out of culpability?
Linki w/Scotty: DAMMIT I TYPE SLOW
Whoa. Nice catch! I refuse to ignore stuff that stands out like that, and this smells so bad. I see the other reasons (as far as I can tell) are for general snark and not doing much baddie hunting. Similar to MM, except I feel more strongly about MM from the last time I voted because of those reasons. My only reservation is the sudden train catching on for MM (like a possible save?), but...I think, because I'm starving and do have that stronger conviction towards MM at the moment (and he appears to have a convenient curse/"curse" on him), I'll go that way today.

Linki - DAMN YOU AND ALL OF YOUR LINKI

And you still trust MM after it was clear he survived a lynch...adding to that the fact that a Night was skipped? One civilian role already skips a night by blocking all actions. Now there's a second night passed.

Do you still think it's reasonable that MM survived a lynch for a good reason?

timmer wrote:Epig, it is looking like a considerable number of people are not around, and this lynch only has a few hours to go.

Are you voting for BWT, or JJJ, or dodging with a third party? I'm curious to know where your head is at, in regards to this lynch. I trust MM, and he is voting BWT, so I'm conflicted as hell and could use some input.

I will probably be voting 3J, but I wanted to look at some other things first. I'm $500 up on NBA DFS just for December so far, so I'm looking to keep it going tonight.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:5. town trice v. serial killer JJJ
Quick question, trice:

You've said repeatedly today that I'm the SK, and you've also repeatedly questioned the sincerity of my reads (suggesting I am deliberately misrepresenting or OMGUSing or what have you). If I am specifically the SK and not mafia, I don't know who the bad guys are and thus have the ability to provide real scum hunting effort. What is the motive to fake my reads in this scenario you've painted?
beats me, I can't read your mind

even if you can provide scum hunting effort, you also have another night kill tonight, unless we have another secret role blocker (hint hint if we do there's a foolproof way to prove JJJ is the sk, just saying)
I'm trying to understand you here. Could you at least attempt to answer the question. I don't know what relevance the SK's night kill has to my question.
Increased urgency before you kill another civ, which is why I wanted to lynch you today

I don't know what motivation trice would have in specifically gunning for 3J as the SK. If the role description were to remain hidden after recruitment, then a recruited trice could set somebody if he were on the verge of getting lynched. That would be clever indeed, but there was clearly no recruitment.

The only other motivation I could assign trice for calling 3J the SK is to troll, a salty sort of "If I'm going down, I'm taking this bitch down with me."

And even if that's true, it doesn't preclude 3J from being mafia.

One has to admire that level of dedication.

G-Man wrote:Dang. I wasn't told who I was subbing in for beforehand. I thought it would be a low-poster. Nope! I sub in for Sockeface McMotormouth.

Can anyone give me an objective take on where you all stood on MP? I'd like to know where I'm bellyflopping into this game on the spectrum of super-civ to prime lynch candidate.

I'll pull together what I can from the votes but I have no intention of reading the game thread in full. Heck I may not even have time to read through MP's ISO to gather all of his thoughts.

You're the serial killer. We just found out.

A potential recruit also helps balance things out.

Speaking of balance, I want to know what people think of MM surviving the lynch. That needs to be addressed.

Perhaps.

I still like my idea. If Alfothad recruited Casketjack, he wouldn't be targeting him with a kill, would he? There's an ambiguity in the wording of the role, and I think Ricochet likes ambiguities.

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Well well well. I have a new EP. It's entitled 3J Bought to Die.

Ricochet wrote:
??? Casketjack The person who reported on social media to be in possession of the ALFOTHAD cassette, still alive after vanishing from the site. He actually got angered at the unreasonable requests from social media fans about distributing, leaking or sharing the content of ALFOTHAD. As such, he also does not want any player to know of Alfothad's (the player) identity.

Casketjack is listed as civilian, but begins as independent and knows Alfothad’s identity; Alfothad does not know the identity of Casketjack, but will search for him every night, in order to recruit him and gain BTSC. From that point, they can win as the last team standing. If Alfothad is lynched after recruitment occurs, Casketjack can replace him as the serial killer and keep their share win con active. Casketjack's vote for Alfothad in a lynch poll will be worth 0. If Alfothad unknowingly targets an unrecruited Casketjack with a nightkill, the action will fail, but only the first time it occurs.

If Alfothad never finds Casketjack and dies before doing so, Casketjack then reverts to a vanilla civilian. Casketjack's role description will be exposed if Motherfucker = Redeemer checks him, upon recruitment or if he is lynched or if Alfothad dies.
That description sounds like Casketjack could have been recruited, presumably by the Mafia, which would explain one of their secrets.
It sounds like he could be recruited by Alfothad, I don't see any connection between him and the mafia.

How could Alfothad unknowingly target an unrecruited Casketjack if Casketjack can't be recruited by somebody else?

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