The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:11 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:08 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:06 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:46 pm Tony, it appears Dom isn't getting lynched. What is your opinion of Creature?
Meh. Lynch the guy who wants to be lynched unless he decides otherwise? I’m indifferent.
He was indifferent from like seventeen minutes into this.

It's a fucking act.
So if it’s an act then he’ll see that he’s up for lynch and then stop being indifferent? And then he lynch him for that because that’s the scum? Or we just play chicken force him off the bridge.

If Creature is your teammate, I'm sorry actually.

Rare time I use the word "actually."

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:06 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:46 pm Tony, it appears Dom isn't getting lynched. What is your opinion of Creature?
Meh. Lynch the guy who wants to be lynched unless he decides otherwise? I’m indifferent.

He was indifferent from like seventeen minutes into this.

It's a fucking act.

Tony, it appears Dom isn't getting lynched. What is your opinion of Creature?

I'm happy with the vote on Creature. He can stop being sad and bored at any time.

I don't suspect Dom or LC, as I've said. I don't think there's any merit to lynching juliets right now.

I want to pay some attention to Dyslexicon, nee Sloonei.

I believe Creature and Tony are bad together anyway, so let's go.

I voted Creature. If he wants out, I'm happy to oblige.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:42 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:15 pm Ok, I don't see where Dom pushed for her after his ISO. I guess the thing I've got to wrestle with is whether this is just a style point, i.e., this is the way Dom does his ISO's. It will help me Tony when you give some meat to your feeling that he's "off".

linki, lol Epi now you know why I'm asking all these "but why" questions
Give me about an hour and I’ll come back to this. The short of it is that the sense I’ve gotten of Dom from what others have told me and from what I’ve read of games that he’s in and even in this game is that he’s an aggressive player in general. Given that, the expectation would be that he finishes his cases. Dom instead hasn’t finished any cases.
OK Tony that would be great. I have to go for a swim now anyway.
Hello I just read Dom games for almost an hour and I am not able enough to parse what is going on in most of them to make a compelling argument on that front. I am obliged by honor as well not to talk about another ongoing game, which is the only real opportunity I’ve had to get a feel outside of this game for how Dom plays. I am not spending more time on this I have things to get done tonight.

It is, however, scummy in general not to finish cases. Town has investment in cases, a town ISO suggests that an attempt was made to gain information and make some progress towards town victory. A town member who believes they have strong evidence also believes that this is the key to success and will always pursue that outside of specific examples otherwise. Because almost all mafia ISOs/reads are performative they do not in theory have investment in the cases they've made because they have not gained information. Mafia is free to make any statements but isn’t compelled to act on them because they don’t have new information to defend — they already know who is scum and who is not. This doesn’t mean that mafia members are more likely to change their mind or that town members are less likely to do so but it does mean that Mafia has no reason to be attached to reads.
Of note: this has been the cornerstone of at least two cases previously made in this game: mine against Epi 1.0 and Epi’s against Luna. Both were wrong(ish).

This is a useless lecture. What does it have to do with Dom?

Creature:

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:58 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:05 pm I have important news for everyone.

I am town.
Great to know

I trust you

I don't know how much stock to put in this, but it exists.

Creature trusts Dragomir, and that was the former's first opinion.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:21 pm Yep, this is boring

Maybe Creature needs to go read books instead of complaining on the Internet. I don't know.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:21 pm I'll need to produce my own action

Many single guys do.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:22 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:59 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:57 pm How are we doing?
Great! I found us our D1 lynch and our N1 vig kill.
Quin and sigma?

Quin was good and Sigma...I'm guessing is sig.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:23 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:07 pm Also at least one afk person is mafia and probably have teammates trying to cover by directing lynches to other people so lets watch out for that.
Okay, this is probably dumb to be scum

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:32 pm I need something more interesting.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:32 pm This looks boring.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:33 pm Can we go straight to Day 1?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:51 pm I would rather just keep complaining about how day is boring rn

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:54 amzzzzz

Reading Creature is boring.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:39 am Going with sig and Valdemir as town

Whiff.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:40 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:22 am @Creature since you are bored could you do me a favor and tell me any games on this site where you have been town? I have one where you were bad.
juliets imo should know her place

What place should juliets know, Creature?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:41 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:14 am
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:12 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:58 pmwhat's town?
bad
This sequence is bad probably
no u
Yep you're scum

Whiff.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:22 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:02 am lynch

Oh boy this is a fun thing for my autocorrect to have jumped on
This feels awkward. It could be a neutral thing, but in my mind, it still warrants a vote.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
Hehe

Show time

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

A vote worth documenting, given the circumstances.

I'm done reading. I don't care about the rest. I would lynch Creature.

I finally have a moment. I'm going to see if I can parse this.

For my own records:

Spoiler: show

I declare I'm about to fire a company I've done business with happily for years.

I do not support a Dom or LC lynch at this time.

I'll be able to do more after I eat and after baseball starts tonight.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:22 amEverybody more or less assumed that. Michelle arguing it with Luna showing up as an independent (and not a mafia member) means that Michelle was theoretically cool having the lynch land on a teammate.

That didn't happen, but Michelle was open to it.

I like that. Good stuff.
Wasn't the Luna lynch pretty set though? I don't really see how this is clearing for Michelle in any case. I found assuming red check but liking Luna's posts kind of weird, but I don't know how it would make sense for any alignment. Maybe @Michelle can comment on it herself?

People are making more of this than I intended. I never said it "clears" Michelle.

I said that post looked good. Given with what I have to go on regarding Michelle, who has 31 posts, I expressed an opinion and that opinion was a positive one.

So let me get this straight.

The proposal of the Day is to lynch Long Con for saying RIP or some such thing.

Or lynch Dom who went after sig out of the gate and followed that up by going after the recruit leader.

Do I have that right?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:44 pm I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.
Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.
If Luna was scum would this be bad?

Epi’s hypothesis is that baddies would always take the easy lynch and anything that wasn’t “yay I’ll vote for Luna we caught scum” is town.
Which presents a series of problems.

That isn't my hypothesis. It's a stretch. I'm not talking about all mafia members at all times. I'm talking about Michelle's activity during a particular Day phase in a particular context.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:44 pm I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.
Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.
If Luna was scum would this be bad?

It would be something I would pursue.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:22 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:47 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.
I'd rather she be vigged. She's practically confirmed scum in everyone's eyes based on a possible red peek. I don't really see any info her lynch could gain so she's better off vigged while others who provide more info should be lynched.
This is also suspicious to me. A mafioso who feels he is in a good place can redirect the lynch while recommending a civilian kill (and potentially waste a shot on) Lunalee.
What makes you think that I feel like I'm a good place?
Are you?
Idk. Answer my question.

I don't know what you feel like. That's why I asked. I think your post is more apt coming from a mafia member than a civilian.

I don't know why "equal opportunity attacker" is being used as a pejorative.

I'm an equal opportunity attacker.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:15 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:22 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:30 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:19 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:18 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:00 am If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.
Why for Michelle?
Already said why.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:44 pm I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.
Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

Oh ok. I didn't like Michelle assuming red check on Luna, but then also saying she liked her posts though. What do you think about that?
Everybody more or less assumed that. Michelle arguing it with Luna showing up as an independent (and not a mafia member) means that Michelle was theoretically cool having the lynch land on a teammate.

That didn't happen, but Michelle was open to it.

I like that. Good stuff.
I don't get what you're saying here.

Objecting to a non wolf lynch that is going to happen anyway isn't something cred worthy imo.

I didn't feel like the Luna lynch was inevitable.

I'll revisit timmer when I have a clearer head. I kind of gave that a lazy pass.

I would not be sad if Creature got lynched.

I don't mind Dom, but would be more interested in interactions with living people instead of dead nutellas.

LC has two votes from people I have no reason to trust. Pass.

Poison is still reading the setup, apparently.

One more beer, and then I've got to peace out myself.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:30 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:19 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:18 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:00 am If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.
Why for Michelle?
Already said why.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:44 pm I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.
Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

Oh ok. I didn't like Michelle assuming red check on Luna, but then also saying she liked her posts though. What do you think about that?

Everybody more or less assumed that. Michelle arguing it with Luna showing up as an independent (and not a mafia member) means that Michelle was theoretically cool having the lynch land on a teammate.

That didn't happen, but Michelle was open to it.

I like that. Good stuff.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:18 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:00 am If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.
Why for Michelle?

Already said why.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:44 pm I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.
Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

sprityo replaced in and has done nothing.

My vote's on AnthonyRizzoStarkPrime right now.

If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.
I'd rather she be vigged. She's practically confirmed scum in everyone's eyes based on a possible red peek. I don't really see any info her lynch could gain so she's better off vigged while others who provide more info should be lynched.
This is also suspicious to me. A mafioso who feels he is in a good place can redirect the lynch while recommending a civilian kill (and potentially waste a shot on) Lunalee.
What makes you think that I feel like I'm a good place?

Are you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:00 pm Dyslexicon, what's your opinion on Sloonei?
A good dog and a handsome gentleman. I was actually going to ISO him to see his stances, cause I believe he's not a noob and also know most players. On my homesite we have QTs (personal private chats) where you can leave thoughts for replacements. He voted me D1 though, so that's an inception kind of moment. =p

Was worth a shot.

Dyslexicon, what's your opinion on Sloonei?

I'm less suspicious of timmer than I was after going through his posts. I don't know how I feel about that.

"Civilians are being lazy and not finding mafia."

"I agree. Let's discuss the pros and cons of dead people subbing in."

Instead of answering your question Dyslexicon, I'd like people to participate in an exercise.

For those willing to participate, go through Tony's posts (there's 80 or so) and make a list of hard stances Tony has taken.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:41 pmDay 1? Is that all?
That's when I was alive, so yes.
Can you talk to me about why you suspect Tony and Timmer? Also, who did you replace again?

The Rain Song.

Yes, I'll elaborate on those two directly.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:37 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:36 pm I think Timmer was also on my town list for interaction with Rej. I may or may not catch up on what I've missed.
It'll take you longer to have a cigarette than it will to catch up.
Good, cause I don't smoke. You know what annoys me? A slacking town annoys me. You know what I felt town was doing D1? Slacking.

Day 1? Is that all?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:36 pm I think Timmer was also on my town list for interaction with Rej. I may or may not catch up on what I've missed.

It'll take you longer to have a cigarette than it will to catch up.

People I currently suspect:

Tony
Dragomir
sabie
timmer
sprityo

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:09 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:22 pm

I don't think this is a fair criticism.

Mafia is more important than weddings. If Luna hadn't cast her vote, she'd have been lynched. So you're basically making the argument that Luna should die or Luna should die.

Which is fine if that's because you scumread her so much but it's getting the cart before the horse or whatever the appropriate metaphor is.

I'm saying this looks like distancing.
Wait, what? She would have been lynched? I'll look back at the vote count but I don't think you are correct on that.
Maybe I'm not. I thought Luna and Nutella were basically tied at eod.
You're just looking at the wrong day. Luna's vote at the wedding happened Day 1 so thats the vote total you want to take a look at.
Okay then I resend the wolf points I gave you.
The language here indicates that Jack is giving the points back to juliets, not taking them away.

For all intensive purposes, Epi, it's the same thing.

Linki: Fucking maybe I am.

I knew I liked you.

Civilian kill victims:

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
MacDougall
nova
Quin

That's pretty much Syndicate regulars. Help me interpret this.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:24 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Why has we not died the creature?

What is the evidence to lynch Creature?

Excellent. I have opinions again.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:11 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:38 pm If anyone wants to win, there's a good chance they needed Luna dead. Even a team playing a near-perfect game would be sandbagged by her in the end. It's a cruel role, a backstabbing win-stealer.

I don't get why you are taking my celebration of Zola's death and shaming me for not respecting the gravity of the situation. What are you, the fun police?
Why are you defensive? That is unnecessary.
I don't really think I was. However, calling someone out as "defensive" IS something I have used before, as mafia, to shade a player. (Epi am I using that word wrong?)

You used the word "defensive" perfectly. Two gold stars.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:30 pm RIP Doctor and Vigilante. That sucks. BUT Luna was Zola, and everyone rejoiced, right? We can all put aside our differences and raise a glass to that evil role being gone. Thank you, Epi!
I don't like this. The thank you Epi feels like you are happy that he's gone.

The main mafia team is still mostly at large. There's no time to celebrate yet.

You are too calm at the moment.

Too calm? This entire thread has been asleep, likely because they've been treated to a Tony/LC Chess match.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:39 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.
I'd rather she be vigged. She's practically confirmed scum in everyone's eyes based on a possible red peek. I don't really see any info her lynch could gain so she's better off vigged while others who provide more info should be lynched.
I just saw a very good movie with Brad Pitt and then I have to come read this and be like “that seems dumb but maybe?” and then I have to go check the role list and find out that the mafia has a doctor so maybe that’s just not the best idea in the world.

But yes in theory in a setup with dumping and all vanilla roles except 1 shot cop and 1 shot vig the vig waits on the cop night 1 and then takes the shot night 2 if necessary. I think. Discuss.
I liked Brad as Achilles in Troy. Super-awesome.

Why is a lynch better than a vig shot for gaining info, when roles are revealed by night and by day?
Vig shots are always inherently more unreliable than lynches even in the hands of the best players so there’s a safety argument but here most of today is going to waste while we wait for the match to set off Luna, no discussion about the lynch or much anything else. If we pretend she’s off the table then it’s like “oh look at that we can have discussions yay we’re town pay no attention to the obvious mafia member we just somehow saved.”

To actually answer the question let’s say there’s player X who has a 60 percent chance of being scum and player Y who has a 95 percent chance of being scum. The obvious lynch is player Y, it’d be by unanimous vote, nothing could be deduced from the discussion or the voting record, and the vig is left to kill player X. If X flips town, rough life but there’s no additional scrutiny for those who pushed the X is scum theory. If X is scum there’s no scrutiny for those who pushed X is town.

At no point in any of this do I see Tony taking the initiative to talk about suspects besides Lunalee.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.
I'd rather she be vigged. She's practically confirmed scum in everyone's eyes based on a possible red peek. I don't really see any info her lynch could gain so she's better off vigged while others who provide more info should be lynched.

This is also suspicious to me. A mafioso who feels he is in a good place can redirect the lynch while recommending a civilian kill (and potentially waste a shot on) Lunalee.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:14 pm I said I would do things today. I am a liar. But it seems we have a probable cop-confirmed suspect on our hands, so if there’s any day for me to be an absolute fart, it’s today.

Civilian Sloonei takes the "cop-confirmed suspect" and uses the Day phase to get shit done, not be an absolute fart.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:44 pm I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.

Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:09 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:03 pm
You also are making me work.

1) That she confused Creature for Rej
2) That she voted at the last minute despite it being an inopportune time
3) That she innocently voted for a civilian when the person she said she said she suspected was up for lynch
4) That she felt the need to vote at all despite being uninformed (as she claimed).

That's a lot to buy.
Lunalee, yesterday I read your explanation for your vote as sincere but today I have to question my judgement because Epi is dead.

This quote is Epi's boiled down version of why he found you to be bad. I need to understand points 2 and 4 a little better.

You are at a wedding and it is about to begin. You do not feel well informed on the game. Why would you go to the trouble of getting on your phone, at a wedding, and place a vote in those circumstances, especially such a critical vote? Why not forego the vote and let everyone know afterwords time got away from you and you were not in a circumstance where you could place a vote, plus you were not comfortable the you had your facts straight? Can you see why that looks odd?
I don't think this is a fair criticism.

Mafia is more important than weddings. If Luna hadn't cast her vote, she'd have been lynched. So you're basically making the argument that Luna should die or Luna should die.

Which is fine if that's because you scumread her so much but it's getting the cart before the horse or whatever the appropriate metaphor is.

I'm saying this looks like distancing.
Wait, what? She would have been lynched? I'll look back at the vote count but I don't think you are correct on that.
Maybe I'm not. I thought Luna and Nutella were basically tied at eod.
You're just looking at the wrong day. Luna's vote at the wedding happened Day 1 so thats the vote total you want to take a look at.
Okay then I resend the wolf points I gave you.

The language here indicates that Jack is giving the points back to juliets, not taking them away.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.
The player who wants to look very Civ will sternly advise us to play the rest of the Day as though Luna were not on the table.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

This stinks.

"If Luna is bad, then Creature is the obvious target."

That's logic I can follow.

"But Creature isn't bad."

That's logic I can't.

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