The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:35 pm I do wonder though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:21 pm
1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.
Is this true? Why do you think so?
That last part about making an effort. We all know how good Epi is at Mafia. Does anybody see a universe where he’d get lynched on D1, even if by design? I don’t think I do so the point rings false.

My godfather does not go Day 1.

That's a rule.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:46 pm People who are ignoring the questions I've asked them leave me no choice but to lean scum on them.

This post.

juliets knows people have lives. This is an excuse.

Furthermore, I ask her to comment specifically on MacDougall, and this is the best I get:

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:36 pm I really don't know what to make of this Epi vs. Mac thing. Mac makes a comment somewhere in one of those post walls that Epi explained things nicely to Elephant while only hurling insults at others. I feel like whatever that thing was that happened in the dream levels is affecting people's reads of each other so I'm not fully trusting of either of their reads. I really want to know what Jack and Master Radishes are seeing since they are from that world.

No stance and talking about dream levels that don't mean anything at this stage.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

I'm rescinding my civilian view of juliets. I'm alive because I've been saying she's good this entire time. Outside of her treatment of an absentee Dragomir, I have no reason to say she's good.

There is one specific post that indicates she is bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:40 pm Who are my teammates Epi? Go hunt them. You're not gonna convince me that I am scum. I have read my role card.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:01 pm Mafia: iaafr, MacDougall, TrustworthyLiberal

Already answered.

Going dark for a bit, as I said.

Going dark for an hour or two.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:08 pm Jack, please talk to me about MacDougall if you would, as you haven't done so much relatively speaking.
You’re complaining that nobody is looking at interactions with flipped wolves.

Mac posted like 40 examples of your interactions with flipped wolves that look really bad.
I can either care about that or not give a shit.

You decide which one it is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:20 pm
That said, I think he’s also wrong Mac.

TL is also town, whichever of you was accusing him.
It was me, but I need to know why you think that. I need posts and explanations. Not opinions.
Fuckin making me do work grumble grumble.

I don't mind opinions, but I need reasons beyond "Mac said so at the eleventh hour" (for example).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:26 pm Epi has this whole thing figured out as usual. Another day where Epi dominates the play with a bullshit case on a townie. At what point do you people under stand that he's just a wolf? Hmmmm?

At what point do you understand you never get me right? Hmm?

You won't engage me. You've already said you ignore what I write (which is what Evenstar did). You've dismissed anything I've had to say in my own defense as "wine."

You either just want me dead for some bullheaded reason or you are not a civilian. There are no other explanations. And I would like to assume you are not bullheaded, but here we are.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:16 pm Someone tell me they are town reading Epi
Dom was. Now he's dead.
Yeah funny that. The guy you just arbitrarily town locked to the point you'd never be able to lynch him dies.
Mac, if I'm bad, you're dead.

Also, fill out my questionaire, would you kindly?

1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

2. I went through everyone's interactions with Dragomir, only to have my teammate shit on them instead of using them to guide civilian lynches. Rather than use my contributions to guide civilians into making mistakes, Evenstar dismissed them and instead used that effort as the basis for her trying to get me lynched.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

3. Evenstar, who voted 112 instead of Dragomir and who voted Hyena instead of Elephant, was perfectly okay with lynching me and actively pushed for that to happen throughout the phase.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

4. I went out of my way Day 2 to make Dom upset.
Do you really fucking believe I did this?
The wine! It's in front of me!
Yeah, didn't think you could.
The wineeeee.

I didn't even read your wifom claptrap actually. Why would I's are something I feel are usually rand=wolf. I grew out of it. I don't respect the play. It means nothing.

Why would I = because you can argue exactly this. Is always the answer.

I'll whittle it down to question four.

Do you think I would fuck with Dom like that?

If you seriously believe that, then that's a you problem. Not a wine problem.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:16 pm Someone tell me they are town reading Epi
Dom was. Now he's dead.
Yeah funny that. The guy you just arbitrarily town locked to the point you'd never be able to lynch him dies.
Mac, if I'm bad, you're dead.

Also, fill out my questionaire, would you kindly?

1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

2. I went through everyone's interactions with Dragomir, only to have my teammate shit on them instead of using them to guide civilian lynches. Rather than use my contributions to guide civilians into making mistakes, Evenstar dismissed them and instead used that effort as the basis for her trying to get me lynched.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

3. Evenstar, who voted 112 instead of Dragomir and who voted Hyena instead of Elephant, was perfectly okay with lynching me and actively pushed for that to happen throughout the phase.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

4. I went out of my way Day 2 to make Dom upset.
Do you really fucking believe I did this?
The wine! It's in front of me!

Yeah, didn't think you could.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:08 pm Jack, please talk to me about MacDougall if you would, as you haven't done so much relatively speaking.
You’re complaining that nobody is looking at interactions with flipped wolves.

Mac posted like 40 examples of your interactions with flipped wolves that look really bad.

I can either care about that or not give a shit.

You decide which one it is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:20 pm
That said, I think he’s also wrong Mac.

TL is also town, whichever of you was accusing him.

It was me, but I need to know why you think that. I need posts and explanations. Not opinions.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:16 pm Someone tell me they are town reading Epi
Dom was. Now he's dead.
Yeah funny that. The guy you just arbitrarily town locked to the point you'd never be able to lynch him dies.

Mac, if I'm bad, you're dead.

Also, fill out my questionaire, would you kindly?

1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.

Is this true? Why do you think so?

2. I went through everyone's interactions with Dragomir, only to have my teammate shit on them instead of using them to guide civilian lynches. Rather than use my contributions to guide civilians into making mistakes, Evenstar dismissed them and instead used that effort as the basis for her trying to get me lynched.

Is this true? Why do you think so?

3. Evenstar, who voted 112 instead of Dragomir and who voted Hyena instead of Elephant, was perfectly okay with lynching me and actively pushed for that to happen throughout the phase.

Is this true? Why do you think so?

4. I went out of my way Day 2 to make Dom upset.

Do you really fucking believe I did this?

Mac still refuses to talk about iaafr.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:16 pm Someone tell me they are town reading Epi

Dom was. Now he's dead.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:14 pm Mac and Epi fighting is just like the one time my parents got a divorce

Pick a side, damn it.

"I'll add that Epignosis is too good of a player for this to be anything other than his scum game."

A good player is one who excels as both a mafioso and a civilian.

This is demonstrably a horseshit perspective.

Yes, someone please do that.

Quin, please talk to me about anything.

Jack, please talk to me about MacDougall if you would, as you haven't done so much relatively speaking.

juliets, talk to me about MacDougall, if you would. You have very few mentions of him relatively speaking and most of them are from your vote chronologies.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:33 pm Voted me Day 1 when Dragomir got lynched = pegged since Day fucking 1.

Day 5? Didn't vote me. Didn't vote Elephant. Voted Hyena.

Day 6? Didn't vote me. Didn't vote mafia. Voted Hyena.

Yeah, Mac really had my number.

Lynch this git.
I changed my vote FROM you to Hyena when there was no wagon steam on you. Try again.

Okay. See above.

Then about an hour before Elephant got lynched, the alarms went off!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:55 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:49 pm can we cfd hyena lol
I kinda wanna

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:58 pm [VOTE: hyena] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:59 pm We lynchen hyena now get on our level

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:00 pm JACK VOTE FOR HYENA

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:01 pm Hyena vs. Elephant. I like it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:12 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:03 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:02 pmoh shi... o:
Sup man?
You never bantered with me. >:[
This is kinda banter
True. I really do think Elephant is town. Between Nutella and Elephant, I'd always lynch Nutella. TLib is probably the Vig considering how much he's talked about how the Vig might not be able to shoot anymore.
More plz

"Please tell me more why Elephant isn't bad. Get these other people to stop voting for him."

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:13 pm Thr Hyena wagon is sputtering. Probs means it's a good one.

Yeah, because when nobody talks about one it's a sure sign it's a civilian one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:19 pm [VOTE: hyena] aubergine

I'm done for the day. Adios.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:16 pm I think Elephant and Hyena completely bollocksed that EOD and outed themselves btw.

No, Mac. You bollocksed and outed yourself.

But you aren't finished:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:20 pm Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.

And when asked a question...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:20 pm Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.
Explain how Iaafr is town. Is it because he decided he’s going to sheep you on everything instead of playing?
If everyone did that we'd probs win tbh.

...you didn't answer.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:06 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:05 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm

tbqh i'm resigned to the stomp if this thread can't see scum as obvious as you, hyena and nutella

and yeah, I agree I do need resolved

dunno why you want me resolved before radishes and why you blew 'stop taking credit four times for the same post' into a serious lynch attempt, though

seriously, you will fucking know it if and when I decide you actually need to be lynched
That was tongue in cheek.

Nobody needs to be "resolved." That's lazy-talk.

My frustration with you is that you exuded a civilian confidence and then you went and lost your mind about me over the most inane reasons. I can't support you for that any longer.
if you feel I'm a drag on the gamestate, then yeah, lynch me. but I'm not going to just jump and do whatever the fuck you think is the most important thing right now on your say-so. I'm not your dog, I have my own brain, and I am tired as hell after slogging my way through that F3. Go bother someone else.
You have your own brain. True. I implore you to use it.
I am. It's telling me you're scum. Have you perhaps considered that there might be something in your play you could correct that would make it stop doing that?
Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.
You do have that arrogant hubris I've come to associate with civ Epi.

Pegged since Day fucking 1 ladies and gentlemen. Pegged.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 pm Aight wait up. I can solve this.

So far Radishes and Hyena are giving me the town vibes. You can be my town core.

Hyena what's your analysis?

Day 5 people. The Day Elephant got lynched.

Mac you done fucked up leaving me alive.

Here's MacDougall's posts mentioning Hyena.

I challenge you to find where MacDougall voiced suspicion of Hyena.

Yet MacDougall voted Hyena (sparing Elephant).

And MacDougall voted Hyena (sparing iaafr).

Voted me Day 1 when Dragomir got lynched = pegged since Day fucking 1.

Day 5? Didn't vote me. Didn't vote Elephant. Voted Hyena.

Day 6? Didn't vote me. Didn't vote mafia. Voted Hyena.

Yeah, Mac really had my number.

Lynch this git.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:19 pm If Epignosis is not teammates with Elephant and Epi I will retire from Mafia. It's the most obvious shit ever. He's basically just been powerwolfing and shouting down the thread to ensure people don't vote him. Stop being bitches and lynch the fucking wolf.

Enjoy that gold watch.

Can anybody name the positive contributions MacDougall has made to the state of this game that would warrant his survival over anybody else's?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:15 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:55 pm Epi needs to be lynched
[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
You are very transparent.

You are very bad.

Can anybody name the positive contributions iaafr has made to the state of this game that would warrant his survival over Hyenas?

The worst thing civilians can do is ignore the dead mafia. That's exactly what happened yesterday. Stop ignoring the dead mafia. Find their teammates.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:06 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:01 pm Mafia: iaafr, MacDougall, TrustworthyLiberal
Epi, why TLib?

I'll revise this later after I've had the chance to go through her posts.

That vote post yesterday in which TL goes and links Dom and me for defending each other is crap. Pin me or Dom to a dead mafia member if you're going to do that- not another living person. And she didn't even vote for me (I had one vote, but Dom had none). It's careless thinking at best. Mafia play at worst.

One of mine just died. My "teammate."

I think at this point everyone should name their top five civilians and state why.

Mafia: iaafr, MacDougall, TrustworthyLiberal

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:55 pm Epi needs to be lynched

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:39 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:20 pm hi can we not mislynch me now that last phase happened? its probably a bad idea

i feel like epignosis and pawn are just obvious scum and it makes sense that theyre a team together so im just gonna vote pawn, the scum who LITERALLY EVERYBODY SEEMS TO AGREE ON but for some people dont want to vote before me

i really

like

yeah idk

[VOTE: pawn lelouch] aubergine

pawn being wrong on hyena is like last strike dudes obvscum

its not just about being wrong but about being confidently wrong and showing no apparent drive to refine reads

the way in which pawn is disengaged and demotivated is scumsided rather than townsided

if you want to see town demotivation read my iso

also DONT VOTE ME BEFORE READING MY ISO THIS PHASE
Pawn is probably spewed town by the Michelle kill and janitor.
That has kept me from voting him too but the caveat is she named three town - Pawn, Quin and I think Dom. I don't think she could have checked all of them. We pretty much know she checked Elephant, she was reading Dom as scum but turned around on him so she probably checked him, and she said Quin was a strong town read so I think she might have checked him. That would have been 6 points which is what Eva had. Could she have had 8 and checked someone every night? I guess maybe but I'm doubtful. That would be a pretty powerful role.

I wanted to say yesterday that I agree with this assessment. If so, I think it would be irresponsible cop play, but I can't fault Michelle for it given the setup.

That said, how about we lynch people we have no reason to believe whatsoever are civilians first?

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:21 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:20 pm i feel like epignosis and pawn are just obvious scum and it makes sense that theyre a team together so im just gonna vote pawn, the scum who LITERALLY EVERYBODY SEEMS TO AGREE ON but for some reason people dont want to vote before me
ebwop

If everybody "LITERALLY AGREED ON US" we'd be dead by now.

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:20 pm hi can we not mislynch me now that last phase happened? its probably a bad idea

i feel like epignosis and pawn are just obvious scum and it makes sense that theyre a team together so im just gonna vote pawn, the scum who LITERALLY EVERYBODY SEEMS TO AGREE ON but for some people dont want to vote before me

i really

like

yeah idk

[VOTE: pawn lelouch] aubergine

pawn being wrong on hyena is like last strike dudes obvscum

its not just about being wrong but about being confidently wrong and showing no apparent drive to refine reads

the way in which pawn is disengaged and demotivated is scumsided rather than townsided

if you want to see town demotivation read my iso

also DONT VOTE ME BEFORE READING MY ISO THIS PHASE

Again, here's iaafr tying Pawn and me together- two living people- but won't comment on how I'm Dragomir's teammate. Or Evenstar's teammate. Or Elephant's teammate.

You are mafia.

Before I go any further, can you people fucking please show evidence that the person you are voting for is linked to a confirmed mafia member? Would that be too much to ask?

But first I have to go make fish tacos with a fine salsa verde.

I'm going to start today's investigations with MacDougall, who did fuck all the entire Day (except give me shit) but appeared at just the right time to help Hyena to the noose instead of iaa-"I want to die no I don't"-fr.

But yeah, so what the hell?

Somebody hardly anybody was talking about all damn Day gets lynched? How unceremonious is that shit?

Also, Dom was arrogance.

Okay, so what the hell?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:59 pm Some real dumb shit happened for TL to get sus. Oh look it was epi led. Surprise.

Kiss my ass.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:58 pm TL is the vig wtf. Hyena is the easily best lynch among these.

Evidence?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:57 pm Self voting is either ATE or poor sportsmanship and people shouldn’t do it except in extreme corner cases.

Elephant did it.

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