The Syndicate

Oh dear.

I do not require reminding.

Also, I have deduced Elohcin's role. She is a civilian.

That is all.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm pretty sure I know what's going on with the lynches.

I am sure you do. Like how not voting in one when you don't have a kill that night can make you look better.


The poll ended at 11:06 pm EST last night. Your reaction post came in at 11:09 pm EST.

MovingPictures07 wrote:WTF!!! I thought I still had time?!?!!?

You followed up with this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry everyone, I had dinner with my PhD cohorts and then had to stop by the grocery store and I thought I'd be back a bit sooner.

RIP Blooper. WTF EVERYONE! How could you lynch Blooper?!?! Will catch up in a second.

That's an unusual alibi for someone who seems like he JUST missed the poll. But never mind. What I am more interested in is your outrage that people lynched Ninja Blooper (we didn't, by the way- we tried to lynch you).

MovingPictures07 wrote:Seriously, what the hell, guys??? Was it not obvious she was that role and why I backed off of her??? Wow, WTF.

This is a blatant fabrication. How was it obvious that she was a role blocker?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry, but since you've never been on a team of mine before you'd never know, but I would NEVER be absent for a teammate. I bug the fuck out of my teammates.

Linki: Eye me all you want but it's all true.

We have multiple testimonies that say otherwise.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:How was it obvious that she was that role?

Oh, sorry, I'm an idiot; ignore me. I was getting the Cop and Chief mixed up. Lol.

Bass asks how it was obvious that she was that role.

Now, after this point, I had slept, and I thought that you could be the Chief- beyond that, I have no idea how you survived. That's why I said I would have to trust you. But that cannot be true for two reasons:

First the obvious one: You claim you got the Cop and the Chief mixed up. That means you cannot be either.

Second, and less obvious, you said that you "backed off" her because her role was obvious. Now consider: If you could switch a lynch, and you were good, you would switch to your biggest suspicion. If the lynch got switched to Ninja Blooper, and you would lead us to believe that you are the Chief (and I think you have hinted that; see below), that would mean that you still suspected her. But you claim you backed off.

I read your posts, by the way, and it does not appear that you backed off her in any significant way. But that isn't what's important. Just interesting.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Don't listen to Epig, he's wrong about me. Occam's razor suggests Sabie had an uninvolved teammate. That is NOT me and it would never be me. I would have PMed her at the least, especially in a situation like that. I'd bet at least one of kpence, kevin, and Canuck are her teammates.

I don't see how Occam's razor applies to this situation. Occam's razor states that when there are competing hypotheses, the one that has the least number of assumptions is probably right (not necessarily right).

An uninvolved teammate seems probable, but sabie12 has two teammates, and I would argue that at least one of them is decidedly not uninvolved. Who would try to kill me Night 1? More likely someone who knows me and has experienced me in times past. A "noob" would kill anybody.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Heaven forbid I EVER actually help us find a baddie because when I do, everyone just thinks I'm throwing a teammate under the bus. Seriously, consider another perspective guys! I am not bad. I definitely wouldn't be making this many mistakes if I were bad either.

What mistakes have you made?

(By the way, there are six adverbs in this one little part of a post.)

MovingPictures07 wrote:I may be quick to throw my teammates under the bus, but I cherish my teammates. There's no way Sabie would have posted the way she did because I would have contacted her.

With my thoughts on Blooper being wrong, it's very clear we're dealing with a case of Occam's razor.

How could you control sabie? How could you ensure that she even opened your PM? Which thoughts on Blooper were wrong? The ones when you voted for her or the ones you didn't express in the thread? And how is this a case of Occam's razor? You're offering a lot of assumptions here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, think very clearly about the fact that I survived that lynch when I was two votes ahead. Think VERY carefully about the fact that there are no "secrets" by baddies and READ THE CIVVIE ROLES and think about how I've been voting. Enough said.

Yes. I'm thinking.

Already I am sure that you are not the Chief, because you would not have confused that role with the Cop. The good news is that if you ARE the Chief and I'm wrong about this, then you can stop the lynch and be okay.

Mongoose wrote:PS Let the record reflect that I'm def getting the civ vibe from Sockface.

Just putting this in here.

Never mind about trusting MP.

Eloh, what is your experience with MP and being bad with him? Is it true that he "bugs the fuck out of his teammates?"

Boogs wrote:Sorry it's been busy and I have barely been checking in on the other games as well. Sorry for missing the vote.

You posted four times in Monty Python.

zeek wrote:

Epignosis wrote:That's bullshit.

This game is hilarious

I am pleased you think so.

Now I must accept that MP is good.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, whatever, I can't believe both Epig and Elo apparently think my posts are "bullshit". Whatever, just lynch me next and lose another civvie. That'll sure help you. Where's the roll eyes smiley?

Right here.

You did put it there, right?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry everyone, I had dinner with my PhD cohorts and then had to stop by the grocery store and I thought I'd be back a bit sooner.

RIP Blooper. WTF EVERYONE! How could you lynch Blooper?!?! Will catch up in a second.

MovingPictures07 wrote:WTF!!! I thought I still had time?!?!!?

Hai! OMG! What a surprise!

That's bullshit.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I disagree, but I understand your reason for voting him. And I didn't get to play Hobbit; I hope you're right.

You disagree about what?

I also voted MP. He posed some empty questions early on, got angry when I suggested he be lynched, and he isn't around right now to vote. Eloh was bad with him in The Hobbit. I think he threw sabie under the bus.

Even if I'm wrong, so what? The point of this poll means that if Peacock kills, she will be obvious.

That gives me eight minutes to analyze your vote with others. See you tomorrow.

Only four people have voted. That means only four people get to use their night actions (including kill).

I plan on voting, by the way. I would like you to vote as well, because I don't think you are bad.

thellama73 wrote:I'm going out for a while. Just a reminder that those who don't vote in the lynch poll, don't get to use their night powers. If you want to use your night power, please vote in the lynch poll.

So who wants to kill somebody? Hmm?

Go ahead and vote.

Oh! Some of you already did!

Elohcin wrote:Hmm...in the hobbit he pretty much called out his teammates. What do you think of his posts on niju?

Bullshit.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Nota bene:

I have died and come back from a kill (not "survived") and someone still sees fit to vote for me.

nijuu has lived and someone else lynched in her place and someone still sees fit to vote for her.

Foolishness. But that's OK.

I tend to agree. Problem is..I know who I DON'T want to vote for, but I don't know who I WANT to vote for, and my eyes are getting very tired :/

You can do one of two things if you want my advice.

You can vote for me (I won't be lynched today).

Or you can vote for MP. Recall your time with him in The Hobbit. Was he around and helpful? I think sabie fucked up and he made the most of it.

Nota bene:

I have died and come back from a kill (not "survived") and someone still sees fit to vote for me.

nijuu has lived and someone else lynched in her place and someone still sees fit to vote for her.

Foolishness. But that's OK.

Mongoose wrote:To reiterate on what Hedgeowl said on the previous page, it just seems way more likely like The Cook is responsible for the SVS death and not a lynch switch. We don't even know if there are lynch switches this early in the game.

There's only been the one contest so far.

linki wait what. I wasn't intimating she was btw.

"We don't even know if there are lynch switches this early in the game?"

I don't like people telling me what "we" know. There is no collective consciousness. If there was, Mafia would be pointless.

Behold:

thellama73 wrote:The Chief

One lynch stop and one lynch switch.

Mongoose wrote:Did we discuss The Cook's role in all of this?

No, but you can vote for me if you like. Hedgeowl is not the Cook.

I can now cross Hedgeowl off a certain civilian role.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:well we dont even know if the indie has a kill yet or not so why worry about epig ?

Oh ffs.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Ftr: My opinion about Epi possibly being bad have to do with his survival, and the way he's interacted with certain parties whose votes seemed like they could have been forced.

If you choose to lynch me, them boo has some words for you.

Making my roux for my chili (yeah, I AM making a roux for a chicken white chili). But I will be back with some analysis.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sounds good. Yeah, I've been distracted by PhD work since I spent Friday goofing off mafiaing most of the day, but I'll make some time before the poll ends to concentrate fully on this game and maybe re-read some folks (shouldn't take long anyway, I would think).

I look forward to your thoughts.

Believe it or not, I made a goddamned spreadsheet. This IS Clue.

Give me 30 minutes to think about things. My head has been in Baltimore slaughtering Carolina and then me losing D&D and then me fucking up chili.

I need some clarity.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And why would you always use a switch before a stop, out of curiosity? Because I'd do the opposite.

Stops give everyone else information. Switches give YOU information.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I would like to point out that ninja said she was only 99% sure how she survied the lynch. I think if it was because of her role she would be 100% sure. I will be most likley voting ninja.

Or you can outline the alternate scenarios in which she survived the lynch. That wasn't just a survival. That was a switch.

well first guess would be that some roles might have secrets because why wouldnt she just use a stop instead of the switch?? it would still save her .

No roles have secrets listed. And I would always use a switch before a stop.

Addendum: Angry MP. That's a reaction I didn't expect.

Sorry, I'm just agitated at the fact that I wasn't paying attention and that you flat out ignored my question.

That's okay. I've been going back and forth about you. Were I bad in this game, I would not burn a teammate. But you would. You've done those things in the past. I am trying to decide if sabie was your gambit.

As for Eloh, she could be bad. I don't know. I don't think she gives a shit about Mafia right now.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I would like to point out that ninja said she was only 99% sure how she survied the lynch. I think if it was because of her role she would be 100% sure. I will be most likley voting ninja.

Or you can outline the alternate scenarios in which she survived the lynch. That wasn't just a survival. That was a switch.

well first guess would be that some roles might have secrets because why wouldnt she just use a stop instead of the switch?? it would still save her .

No roles have secrets listed. And I would always use a switch before a stop.

Addendum: Angry MP. That's a reaction I didn't expect.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The lack of a kill was not unexpected. With Scarlet out, her kill doesn't exist anymore.

Yes, I too am frustrated that hardly anyone is speaking.

Oh, duh, that makes sense.

What do you think of Elo this game?

It makes me wonder why you don't know this. Wadsworth kills first. Scarlet second. Peacock third.

You make incredibly complicated games. I don't understand why you don't get something that simple.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I would like to point out that ninja said she was only 99% sure how she survied the lynch. I think if it was because of her role she would be 100% sure. I will be most likley voting ninja.

Or you can outline the alternate scenarios in which she survived the lynch. That wasn't just a survival. That was a switch.

The lack of a kill was not unexpected. With Scarlet out, her kill doesn't exist anymore.

Yes, I too am frustrated that hardly anyone is speaking.

It looked like Hedgeowl wanted to say something but now she doesn't.

This result confirms some things for me.

I also have a few people I can trust.

Bass is Roxy's son, nijuu.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Wait, what? RIP SVS.

Not complicated. So far people haven't been reading the roles. This is textbook business.

Well you think someone switched it?

I don't think "SOMEONE" switched it. Come on man.

Hedgeowl wrote:Wait, what? RIP SVS.

Not complicated. So far people haven't been reading the roles. This is textbook business.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, that's really odd. RIP S~V~S. That sucks.

It isn't odd at all.

S~V~S wrote:I have Sicilian grandmother techniques. Hard to beat

I can't argue until I've tasted! I do make my pasta from scratch though.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote: but i was too busy being outraged by the ridiculousness of voting for people becasue baddies voted for the same person they did. WTF????? Not becasue of anything i did, but becasue a baddie voted the same way i did. Like baddies never spread their votes out, oh no.

Yep, that was all you had to get outraged about.

No, but it was a start. It was pretty outrageous, tbh, Your post pissed me off becasue it was so much bullshit, but it did not outrage me because it was also totally insincere You are not all that, much as you like to tell people you are. IRL, I am sure you really are all that, but that is not what we are dscussing now.

Can you imagine if we had dinner together?

I am sure it would be a lovely experience, i am probably about your Moms age, and i knit and make a killer authentic lasagna. I make a charming dinner guest.

We would probably, then, bitch each other out about lasagne techniques.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote: but i was too busy being outraged by the ridiculousness of voting for people becasue baddies voted for the same person they did. WTF????? Not becasue of anything i did, but becasue a baddie voted the same way i did. Like baddies never spread their votes out, oh no.

Yep, that was all you had to get outraged about.

No, but it was a start. It was pretty outrageous, tbh, Your post pissed me off becasue it was so much bullshit, but it did not outrage me because it was also totally insincere You are not all that, much as you like to tell people you are. IRL, I am sure you really are all that, but that is not what we are dscussing now.

Can you imagine if we had dinner together?

S~V~S wrote: but i was too busy being outraged by the ridiculousness of voting for people becasue baddies voted for the same person they did. WTF????? Not becasue of anything i did, but becasue a baddie voted the same way i did. Like baddies never spread their votes out, oh no.

Yep, that was all you had to get outraged about.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I voted ninja blooper because of the way she hope on the Sabie vote at the end. It seemed like something a baddie would do to gain civvie cred.

The END? She voted third. You were 10th, MP was 11th, she was 12th. There were two votes after that!

Yea I'm just talking about the people who voted sabie.

So am I.

S~V~S wrote:I AM SUSPICIOUS OF YOU EPI.

VERY MUCH SO.

How can you say i have no suspicion? And since when is not having tunnelvision a baddie thing? People always suspect me for having tunnelvision, now you suspect me for not having it?

You're not suspicious of me.

You're scared of me.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I voted ninja blooper because of the way she hope on the Sabie vote at the end. It seemed like something a baddie would do to gain civvie cred.

The END? She voted third. You were 10th, MP was 11th, she was 12th. There were two votes after that!

So nijuu was the turning point against her own team on Day 1? How quaint. That is NOT how you win speed games when you are bad. That's a long form strategy, and doesn't work often even then.

But now we shall see something.

Addendum: S~V~S has no real suspicion. She didn't Day 1, and she doesn't now.

Addendum #2: GOOD.

Hedgeowl wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:I was thinking Canuck or Kp. Canuck is where my vote will go.

Ps: watching Clue irl right now

Why Canuck? Epi provided the slightest, slightest reason why she might be sabie's teammate (general inactivity), but you were just talking about voting SVS. Your votes have been very, very odd, sir, and I'm going ahead and voting for you now in case I don't have time later (I'm driving out of town and celebrating my brother's bday). You seem rather blendy/flying under the radar to me this game.

I'll try to check back before the poll ends (and hopefully PM some recipes, as I am a recipe goddess ) but I make no promises.

Here it is. Did anyone else not think this vote was strange?

I did. But she voted third to kill a third of her team? Nah.

S~V~S wrote:No, not really. Sabie as a baddie still had teammates helping her out.

Clearly.

S~V~S wrote:I do

I meant that the next few games, when a baddie votes for the same person after Elo, I am gonna give her some flak. Some good natured flak, but flak nevertheless.

But it's not the same thing. If DharmaHelper votes after Eloh, that is NOT the same thing as sabie12, who has no idea what she is doing as a bad guy for the first time, voting after you.

Surely you see the difference in that.

S~V~S wrote:I will remember it. Oh hell yeah.

You always remember me.