The Syndicate

Dom and Nijuu, zeek.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I should really get back to studying though, so I'll be back sometime this evening. Curious what everyone thinks here. And I'm especially curious regarding more elaboration from Epig since he said he would post some more information about DF being The Master but maybe now seems to be doubting it?

My original belief was that DF was the Cyber Controller, and according to my spreadsheet, he still could be. However, DF is one of four people who could be The Master. Eloh, the other survivor in my quartet, sounded genuine to me when she survived:

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hi there Elo, what happened last night? Can you share?

I do believe I know what happened/how I survived but I am not all too sure I am allowed to share. I am really bad for dumping too much info when I have it. I will just say, read the civ roles again....or is that too much info?

Add this to the fact that she said this before it was made known that Strax's first three civilian kills fail. Were she The Master, it would make more sense for her to simply claim that she didn't know how she survived, rather than claim one of a handful of civilian roles as early as Day 3.

Also, it's not that DF has been blendy- he's been downright opportunistic:

DFaraday wrote:RIP MP. Very interesting about LC. That's what, 4 currently living players who have been targeted for NKs? I'm betting both the Cyber Controller and the Master are among them.

DFaraday wrote:As for the Master, I do think he's probably one of the people who's survived an NK. I find it a little hard to swallow that Sarah and Jack are two of them, and the other two are also civvies who just happened to be saved.

These two posts, for instance (both occurring before Night 8), paint with broad strokes. He thinks The Master and the Cyber Controller are people who have survived Night kills, but he doesn't elaborate or specify whom, and he doesn't pursue this thinking. Instead, he chooses to go with the flow: Bass, who has not survived a NK. His vote is "because of the possible Cyberman connection."

Ironically, DF defends himself this way:

DFaraday wrote:Bandwagon much? I don't know how to defend against this other than by saying 1. I'm not the Cyber Controller, and 2. I'm sorry if I play too carefully. I'm just not the kind of player to throw out every random thought I have (and I don't mean that as an insult to players who do ).

I will be *Voting Bass*, which I was planning to do anyway because I do think he's likely bad, and also he's not me.

"Bandwagon much?" he asks, even though his Day 9 and current votes are textbook examples of bandwagon votes- moving in the same direction as the majority without adding to the discussion. Notice how early on, DF voted outside of the majority, but with one exception since Day 4, he's been getting that vote in wherever everyone else is.

Now Chris says The Msater has to be him, DF, or Eloh, but Chris isn't one of my four. Therefore, if he's right on his end, it has to be DF or Eloh, and I don't think it's Eloh.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Chris wrote:Considering that I think there's no more roles that can explain NK survivals, DF is either The Master or The Cyber Controller. In that aspect, it's win win.

Now, as far as how positive I am... I know I'm not The Master. The reduces it to Elo and DF. That makes it 50/50.

You're beginning to scare me, Chris...

Why's this?

I thought you dropped your suspicion of Chris being The Master.

The two of us being on the same page.

Spooky.

Chris wrote:Considering that I think there's no more roles that can explain NK survivals, DF is either The Master or The Cyber Controller. In that aspect, it's win win.

Now, as far as how positive I am... I know I'm not The Master. The reduces it to Elo and DF. That makes it 50/50.

You're beginning to scare me, Chris...

S~V~S wrote:Who were his teammates in Clue? Generally that is considered a team asset and if he had more conservative teammates they may have held onto it.

He wasn't bad- he was a civilian with a lynch switch and lynch stop.

There are no lynch switches listed in the roles, so I suppose Bass could be a secret one. But after watching him in Clue, I think that if he had a lynch switch, he would have burned it by now. So while I get the urge to seek "closure" and "clear up what happened" yesterday, I don't believe lynching Bass will do it. I've been on the receiving end of that thinking more than once and it sucks.

But you all go ahead and scratch that itch. Curiosity...something something cat. I forget how it goes.

There's more to it than that, but I can't pull quotes from here right now.

Yes DF. Unfortunately, I can only use the quick reply feature to post because of the Internet filter here. In a nutshell: Allowing for two specific assumptions, I have the Master narrowed down to one of four(!) people. Only you and one other person survived a NK, and I don't think the other person who survived a NK is The Master. Coincidentally, you are a possible Cyberman according to my spreadsheet, and the Cyber Controller could also explain your survival. Therefore, I think you should be lynched.

Disregard what I said last night about juliets. My theory doesn't hold up.

Nevermind. I'll post as soon as I can.

I'll put together what I have to say tonight, but I may not post it until tomorrow.

Slow down gentlemen.

I believe juliets2 is The Master.

If I live, I think I know whom to lynch.

Surprisingly enough: It's not Chris.

Black Rock wrote:I voted for Woman Wept.

You're singing it wrong.

It's, "No Woman, No Cry."

Chris wrote:Can anyone honestly say. when you read back on Snow Dog, that he had more reason to vote TH over me?

Yes.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I wish Chris had a B in his name.

B is for Baddie?

Nah, "Bias," but I didn't properly set up my joke and can't edit my posts. Ah well. Missed opportunity.

Confirmation Bias.

I wish Chris had a B in his name.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow. What the hell?

Frankly, this presents the final nail in the coffin for Snow Dog and Bass being bad, IMO.

RIP TH 2.0. Guess there wasn't anything to the weirdness at the end there after all.

Chris, can I tell you my level of confidence on TH now?

WTF????? Huh>????? I dnt uderstanf

MP7, note the reaction. Snow Dog's incredulity here is palpable. I can picture him spraying his computer screen with whatever he was drinking at the time he read that, tripping over the keyboard to write his response. He can't be responsible for that lynch switch.

Okay, I will admit- I laughed.

Waiting on Goatrees...

Meanwhile, I'd like to point out that Chris is creating scenarios that fit his suspicion.

Yawn and

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
Clearly? No. You once were Hordak. Clearly means nothing. Remember, evil one?

I don't think Bass chose anything, preemptively or otherwise. So...what's the Snow Dog connection? And if Bass didn't switch the lynch, why would this incriminate both of them?

Lol, true, that role was badass.

Go ahead, make fun of my use of clearly, but Bass had 10 votes. Chris had 4. Correct? So he was in the lead.

I don't understand your questions. Bass had the most votes, so considering I strongly believe him to be bad, it seems like a save to me. It seems you're not seeing my POV because you don't agree about Bass and Snow Dog being on the same team.

They're connected both via the Sabie lynch and their behavior, as I've stated earlier and earlier, and as Chris was the first to point out.

Go back to Clue with me for a moment. Do you recall the Chief? Bass was the Chief. He switched the lynch when he wasn't in danger at all. To me (and my spreadsheet), that was foolishness. I even said so when he claimed it, and *I* got suspected over that.

I don't think Bass switched a lynch. I think Bass is far more careless with such blessings. No- I bet this was someone else.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Chris wrote:LINKI @ SNOW: Sure you weren't...

Yeah, with ten votes or so, the Cyber Head must be a real son of a bitch role to have.

Addendum: Elaborate, please, MP.

It seems logical to me to conclude that the lynch was switched from Bass to TH 2.0.

Not sure what role could do that though, I don't remember a lynch switch in the roles. That only leaves the two secret roles or some non-role related function as explanations.

I can't think of any other reason that would happen.

What I mean is this: How is this result the final nail in the coffin for Snow Dog AND Bass?

Bass was clearly going to be lynched, right? But if Bass switched the lynch, why would he preemptively choose TH 2.0? That's where the Snow Dog connection comes in.

I suppose my opinion is colored by the fact that I strongly believe they're both Cybermen.

If you can think of a better explanation, I'm all ears, but that seems like the only feasible one to me.

Clearly? No. You once were Hordak. Clearly means nothing. Remember, evil one?

I don't think Bass chose anything, preemptively or otherwise. So...what's the Snow Dog connection? And if Bass didn't switch the lynch, why would this incriminate both of them?

Elohcin wrote:boo! hsssss! Goin' to Uranus.

No marital relations joke for this one, folks. Although you might say the course to mine is inhibited by asteROIDS.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Chris wrote:LINKI @ SNOW: Sure you weren't...

Yeah, with ten votes or so, the Cyber Head must be a real son of a bitch role to have.

Addendum: Elaborate, please, MP.

It seems logical to me to conclude that the lynch was switched from Bass to TH 2.0.

Not sure what role could do that though, I don't remember a lynch switch in the roles. That only leaves the two secret roles or some non-role related function as explanations.

I can't think of any other reason that would happen.

What I mean is this: How is this result the final nail in the coffin for Snow Dog AND Bass?

Chris wrote:LINKI @ SNOW: Sure you weren't...

Yeah, with ten votes or so, the Cyber Head must be a real son of a bitch role to have.

Addendum: Elaborate, please, MP.

Snow Dog wrote:Vote abd splt? iys fucing half two here!!!!!!!

Can you speak English? I don't know Welsh.

Recruit games are fun.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend," and all that.

zeek wrote:Epig - I get you now. I'll go back and find your big post on Chris.

Chris - If Bass is Cyber, maybe. But I don't see Epig in that group at all.

Link.

Sorry, zeek- should have done that for you.

zeek wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Civilian roles don't matter, zeek. I don't know if you saw my massive write up about Chris, but I stand by it.

The one about the Cyber role checker voting for him?

How don't civs matter? Every civ matters, from the Doctor to Wilf.

I did not say "civilians don't matter." I said, "civilian roles don't matter." When there is a recruiter involved, the role is no longer indicative of alignment.

And no, that wasn't the massive write up.

zeek wrote:Who the hell haven't you accused then?

I mean, you said this last Night

Chris wrote:You want to hold me feet to the flame on who the recruiter could be? I think it could be either Juliets, Ninju, I thought Elo but you seemed to indicate that if I thought that, you'd say I was bad, and also Dana, but MP sounds like he'll start a lynch on me if I think that way.

And now SVS is the recruiter.

I have a fact for you. This one is undisputable.

Your accusations are all over the place.

I think you're civ, but you're making it hard to keep that belief.

Civilian roles don't matter, zeek. I don't know if you saw my massive write up about Chris, but I stand by it.

Chris wrote:

Epignosis wrote: No, I don't find Bass suspicious, and I don't agree with the people voting for him. I hope I'm right about him, because I like it when other people are incorrect.

You also didn't find Sabie suspicious...

Oh, you meant your direct reaction. I thought you were asking me for my reaction to what I posted. So sorry. Do forgive me. Honest error.

Chris wrote: Also, I love how Epig made all these cases for how I'm The Master or the recruiter, but when he sees that no one is going to vote for me, he changes his vote to DF.

Why would he do that? DF is recruited? How does that make him more dangerous than the recruiter or a baddie with a kill?

Answer? Epig will do anything to keep Bass or Snow Dog from being lynched, including jumping on any case that isn't him or them.
.

If you think I'll do anything to keep a teammate from being lynched, you failed EpiFeb 101. You may take the course again next semester (providing there are no holds on your account).

Also, I raised what I consider to be solid points about DF. While I don't wish to seem greedy, I hope I can have two simultaneous suspects when some people (won't mention who) have seventeen or more.

No, I don't find Bass suspicious, and I don't agree with the people voting for him. I hope I'm right about him, because I like it when other people are incorrect.

Chris wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Good point.

Voting Chris.

Wow, direct reaction to this?

Epignosis is a gentleman and a scholar. And awesome.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Chris wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?

well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.

If you were a civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving you one more NK survival than you claim. If MP's theory is correct, there is much less reason to believe you are Jack Harness Chris. I think there is a hole in your story here. Especially because

Chris wrote:Also, there's no guaruntee that Sarah is alive.

She could have been targeted for a kill, and just failed the 50/50. And no one would know the difference in the night post.

You proposed that Sarah might be dead, which makes it far less likely that you are her. I think I've caught you here.

Good point.

Voting Chris.

Chris wrote:I don't like the thought of a DF lynch at all.

You don't?

Cool.

keys56000000000 wrote:Actually, I'm going o hold off from switching my vote to Bass. I'd like to hear if DF has anything to say while the peril of that single vote of mine still hangs over his head.

Make that a pair.

zeek wrote:

Chris wrote:MP, you say you know exactly why no one was lynched last night. Can you share? Also, you never mentioned how you were rezzed? Any idea how that happened?

You don't know why MP was rezzed? Surely it's pretty obvious by now.

Indeed.

Long Con wrote:Epig, can you tell the story again of the time that you went rogue against your baddie team and outed them all? Was that what happened? Did you turn rogue based on your role, or did you just decide to "go rogue" on your own to shake things up as a big gambit to win? Or even just... for a laugh?

None of the above.

In Bioshock Mafia, I was on a team with Snow Dog, Hedgeowl, DFaraday, and Bullzeye. Our team was fully in tact for much of the game. However, I got "hypnotized" by an independent, Nevinera. I was drinking a good bit that night when it happened and I foolishly copied and pasted the entire PM to my teammates. Upon realizing my error, and, being the only one with a full knowledge of the video game, I bluffed about returning to the team at a certain point in the story (Point Prometheus, to be exact). I even went so far as to make up PMs from the host and paste those in the chat room. I had a kill, and my new partner had a kill, so on Night 8, we took out two of my team, and someone else just happened to be killed coincidentally. Unfortunately, I got hypnotized again by Lorab, but that didn't matter much: I had been in a conference in Charlotte, and on the way home, the bus broke down at a McDonald's. I used Micky D's Wifi to get in a quick vote for DisgruntledPorcupine, but that's about all I could do. That was enough to get people talking about me and when I got home, I was lynched. Nevinera actually went on to win with the neutral roles. Crazy stuff.

I've said what I needed to say. Chris can keep reaching for the stars. His armpits will still smell.

Good night.

Think about it folks: Chris' major point against sabie is that her voting record was too good.

I'm inclined to follow that shit.

Chris wrote:When did Sabie role check me Epig?

After I came back alive after night 6, she voted for me Day 7. Because I had the 2 NK attempts, of course. I suppose she could have checked me on night 7, but she had already voted for me under the accusation of me being The Master.

So, a known baddie, comes in and votes the guy who just laid out an incriminating case, and your conclusion is that she role checked me, and that's why she voted me?

DId I mention she never even mentioned my name prior to Day 7?

Sabie checked you NIght 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8.

Sorry- I remain fuzzy on the details.

I want to remind folks that role checkers gun for other bad guys unless they're gunning for Chris. That's Chris' own logic.

Chris wrote:LC, I just wanted to point out about Epig's point of Sabie the role checker voting for me twice.

First, since when does anyone trust a baddie?

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Chris wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Chris wrote:And by that I mean, I'd vote Epig or Bass just as easily.

They are the remaining Cybers.

Yep. We sure are. Come and get us.

Neener neener.

Oh yeah, this reminded me... I think your little whatever last night, was a result of you feeling that your team was named, and that it was hopeless. I backed off my accusations in hopes you wouldn't target me.

Don't know what happened, but I'm alive.

I believe it was TH who said that you seemed like a defeated baddie whose team was just decimated.

I agree.

Yep. You got me. Come on. Lynch me.

Chris wrote:And by that I mean, I'd vote Epig or Bass just as easily.

They are the remaining Cybers.

Yep. We sure are. Come and get us.

Neener neener.

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I understand completely.

Chris wrote:LC, I just wanted to point out about Epig's point of Sabie the role checker voting for me twice.

First, since when does anyone trust a baddie?

S~V~S wrote:Didn't they both win BWT's card game Friday night?

I don't know. I played once and was a runner up. My response to you was a joke.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:zeek got resurrected with MM in the same breath. That...bodes poorly.

Why?

I had the impression that they both won prizes the other night? What prize could you give a deadie other than a rezz?

Let's hope MM does not do too much mischief before we can lynch him again.

A "Well Done, You Disgusting Disgrace Against Humanity" prize?

zeek got resurrected with MM in the same breath. That...bodes poorly.