The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:A flower?

LizKeen wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:"I'd rather trust a man who doesn't shout what he's found."

"I'd rather trust a country man than a town man."

I was listening to that album, and I just now realized what you were quoting.

That's um..a disturbing image.

It's just this guy.

LizKeen wrote:Also Epi, now that you can speak fully can you answer me about Elohcin?

I can but won't.

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:Now, I have to go do a lot to get ready for my vaycay, or my wife will kill me.

haha, I just recently made Epi start packing for himself. Once we had three kids, it became too much to do his too.

Bullshit, we don't go anyplace.

I haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1, so I'm doing this right now:

Long Con has to have info on me. Has to. It's the only thing I can think of that would compel him to gun for me and raise such shitty and minute points. He "knows" something about me.

Attacking me when I can't use vowels? Check.
Attacking me on points I can't defend against? Check.
Turning a jovial observation I made into proof that I set up MM? Check.
Pressuring others to talk about me? Check.

Saying this?

Long Con wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?

We don't have to. We could just start voting Epignosis.

That says, "I have info." No two ways about it.

I already know three ways info in this game can be wrong (I helped lynch one of them Day 1). It is my perspective that Long Con's "info" is incorrect. If you have been a full participant in every sense in this game, you'll understand my meaning. Given that I won something for a sorry, half-assed attempt I made at the last minute, I suspect most of you have not been full participants.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No...I was tying it up. I would have voted the other way around had it been 7-6 Vompatti.

You still sounded proud. Do you still think Vompatti could be bad after the lynch result? Do you think some of the vomp voters were trying to save vomp? Can you recall who began the vomp suspicion?

linki: Golden, does that make you bad or does that make you a civ who was wrong about Zomps affiliation?

Do I really have to break out the orange crayon?

Elohcin wrote:I was taking care of your dinner

So that's why half of my plate was missing and you got full so early!

No...I was tying it up. I would have voted the other way around had it been 7-6 Vompatti.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And I'm the one who tied it up.

Why are you proud of this? You placed your vote on Vomps from what I see in the poll thread.

Just now seeing that, are you.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And I'm the one who tied it up.

LC's going to love that one.

I'll bet my vote really...

...bought him a vowel.

And I'm the one who tied it up.

Canucklehead wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Right now, I'm leaning towards an Epi vote. I didn't like his case on LK ("She's using a lot of quotes! She is thus bad! "), and I'm intrigigued by LC's reaction to the MM thing.

Yeah, that was a pretty reductive summary of the tiny fragments that happened to stick to my brain. I should probably go back and read what you actually said again.

Canucklehead wrote:Right now, I'm leaning towards an Epi vote. I didn't like his case on LK ("She's using a lot of quotes! She is thus bad! "), and I'm intrigigued by LC's reaction to the MM thing.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:"I'd rather trust a man who doesn't shout what he's found."

"I'd rather trust a country man than a town man."

I was listening to that album, and I just now realized what you were quoting.

S~V~S wrote:I asked for a link, Epi, since I did not want to ask you to talk, so put your ask golden snark away

I was hoping you would direct me to a post that reflected current attitudes on your part.

And yeah, splints, I see your point.

Linki. I think though that that is the kind of thing Epi would have done if bad, because it would have been unexpected, and most people project themselves and what they would or would not do when doing the woulda/coulda about someone else.

Nt snrk! pgnss ddn't hv sch pst. Pst cntnng wht S~V~S wnts dsn't xst.

S~V~S wrote:Epi, rather than asking you questions, can you link me in a vowelfree fashion to your thoughts on LC and MovingBass?

I see TH has voted for LC. I agree with Golden about Zomba, I don't love what she's saying, but when I really thought about it, I don't think she has BTSC.

N "lnk." pgnss plgzs, S~V~S. Cn Gldn hlp?

LC's bssssd wth m. pgnss cnnt ndrstnd hs tnnl vsn. pgnss hs nvr wtnssd ths bhvr frm LC bfr. Ths mks pgnss thnk LC hs nfrmtn rgrdng pgnss, bt sppsng LC ds, t's wrng.

MP gt rplcd, s pgnss thnks h ws bng hnst whn MP ws frstrtd. Thrfr pgnss thnks Bss = nt bd.

LizKeen wrote:

Epignosis wrote:LzKn rmvd pgnss’ psts frm cntxt.

I couldn't figure out what pgnss meant. The closest I could get was prognosis.*facepalm* I posted and comment the posts of yours that didn't make me feel like you were being particularly civvie in the order you posted them. If I had posted all of your posts people would still be reading it because it would be epically wrong. Do you requote all their posts when you're trying to make a case?

Hmm.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Wll wll wll.

will will will?

I think epi wants your stuff :P

Gldn gt th dbl ntndr!

Wll wll wll.

Golden wrote:OK, Epi, questions. Sorry for asking you questions while you can't use vowels. Mind you, you are the one bringing up a new theory, so I'm not that sorry.

Yesterday, you seemed (to me) to agree with the zombs theory that SVS and I were talking about. Today, you have espoused what appears to be a different theory.

So what I want to know is this:

Was I correct in thinking that you can see the merit in yesterday's zombs theory?

Have you now moved away from thinking that is correct? Or can you just see two different possibilities? Or do you think the two theories are somehow linked and part of one unified theory (a la Einstein)?

Have you, as of now, identified any candidate for the 'sudden case' you are looking for?

Th ndrlnd. Jst nw thght pgnss hd.

& N. Glrck slncd?

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:My own personal thoughts, though, on Epi's theory.

It would have to be one hell of a coincidence if:

1) The blond beast targetted SVS, thus was about to be the beneficiary of the will we all already know about if she died; AND
2) Gilrick had a role check masquerading as 'you are the beneficiary of my will', and he happened to target the blond beast.

Indeed... Epig's "theory" would imply that he thinks S~V~S is lying... or that this grand coincidence happened.

SVS ddn't thnk ppgnss thght sh ws tllng ls.

juliets wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:"Role Check. Host post instead of PM. Creative host!"

But what does that mean is what I'm really asking. What does a role check have to do with the article in the paper. And what does "host post instead of PM" mean?

lnk

Canucklehead wrote:"Role Check. Host post instead of PM. Creative host!"

S~V~S wrote:But who put it in the night post? The host doesn't just put stuff onto the post.

Rl chk.

Hst pst nstd f PM .

Crtv hst!

Golden wrote:the Blind Beast

Pgnss thnks Glrck trgtd smn t gv hs wll t. Th prsn h trgtd ws th Blnd Bst, Crl vn Trsslr.

*rl chck*

f Pgnss s rght, ppl shld lk fr sddn cs md gnst smn.

rabbit8 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I meant to add, that's a total paraphrase of the exact content of Ender's Shadow, but the meaning is accurate.

I always hated Bean.

Nvr rd Crd.

Long Con wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:TH being quiet this long? Is there some way they could both be silenced?

If she does not post all day and TH does not who would fake it? Not sure but I doubt there are two silencer roles. Maybe an item could account for this?

I would say Zomb would fake it since she is in the hotseat, and TH was not - I don't see any reason why TH would need to fake a silencing at this point.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:BR’s dth ws nt th rsn pgnss sspctd MM.

Yes, I'm well aware that you avoided that as much as you could.

You didn't suspect MM for killing BR, you suspected him because of his self-vote and my subsequent vote on him. You didn't think it was worth mentioning or thinking about the recent history between the two (which we both know you are WELL aware of) because you didn't want it to lead back to you.

It's like in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Shadow. The main character, Bean, is envious of Ender Wiggin and avoids attending any of the 'extra' Battle School classes that Ender is running. He gets called on obsessing over Ender, and he acts incredulous, saying "What do you mean? I'm not obsessed, I don't even go to his classes!" To which Graff replies "Yes, we've noticed. Not even one." And Bean realizes what they see, and thinks sheepishly, How utterly obvious.

That's you. You avoided the subject too much in order to look like you didn't do... what you DID do. Ya dun goofed this time, Epig, and it is utterly obvious.

Nh.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:BR’s dth ws nt th rsn pgnss sspctd MM.

Yes, I'm well aware that you avoided that as much as you could.

LzKn rmvd pgnss’ psts frm cntxt.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Golden wrote:Funny. My recollection of dom is quiet dom, dom you forget is playing. If I had to say my perception of him in this game, it's that he is less blendy and more talkative than usual. I haven't forgotten he is playing.

A Person, though...

That's the thing about A Person though. From what I always remember, he's one of the most non-active mafia players I've ever seen. And that's the same regardless of it he is good or bad.

Not saying he is one or the other, but that his lack of posting isn't enough for me to determine which one it is.

f AP dsnt pst, thn hw ds smbd fgr whtr AP s bd r gd?

Golden wrote:Dom

1) In llama's night post, there was a story about how the mafia (specifically, the Blonde Beast of Bremen) got his hands onto the will. The will that we know SVS has.
2) However, SVS still has the will, and what's more believes she might have survived a NK attempt.
3) If SVS is right that she survived a NK attempt, that means that if she had NOT survived, the Blonde Beast of Bremen WOULD have had the will.
4) The host wouldn't choose to post a false story in his newspaper for kicks. Its far more likely that a player must have put it there.
5) Simon Grundt could have been a candidate as he would have gotten info straight from the host, except he is bf and dead.
6) It seems unlikely any player would choose to post false information in the thread when it would just be immediately revealed to be false. It makes much more sense that a player would choose to post information in the newspaper that they believe to be true. If the baddies were targetting SVS, they could have posted that story believing that at the time it would be published, it would be true. Therefore, we would read it, and believe that the will was that of gildrick.
7) But because the baddies didn't get the will, it's evident the post is a lie.
8) It follows, then, that the most likely explanation is the baddies did it to try and get heat off zombs.

That good enough? (also linki, if bwt's was enough, then sorry for expanding it so much).

juliets wrote:Epi, my thoughts right now on Liz is that she should have spent time defending against the two cases out there on her rather than give us half a case which she then said she didn't believe anymore and a recitation of Vompatti's posts. I'm pretty sure she said she had a case to present prior to the two cases against her but given the situation I think she should have defended first. I'll still hold judgement until I see her response but I'm not liking how it's going so far.

How do you feel about her Epi?

Bd. Mkng lk sh's hlpfl snc sh qtd Vmptt? Bllsht. Hr actvt rqrd lttl tm. Sh md ppl thnk sh ws nt cpble f pstng hr thghts rgrdng rbbt8, bt tht tk lttl ffrt!

juliets wrote:On Zomba I've been trying hard to understand the case on Zomba but with SVS and Golden's recent posts I'm leaning bad on her. I think it went down exactly how Golden said. And i see bwt has responded much in the same vein, saying what SVS and Golden are saying.

Yes and i did notice they both missed the vote.

Zmb & LzKn bth mssd vt.

Golden wrote:I think epi's posts have been self-explanatory so far. I'll try to help out if they get long and hard to understand.

Gd vcblry.

*bt Vmptt & rbbt8.

jlts sd ths.

LzKn pstd bt Vmptt. Dd nt dfnd.

jlts wht r jlts's thghts rgrdng LzKn?

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LizKeen wrote:MM, that's why I kept saying to be careful.

And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.

Oh and welcome Bass.

Ds ths mn LzKn wll gt lnchd?

I would rather lynch Zomba, tbh. That will story stinks of rotten fish to high hell, IMO. But I also would like to see who turns up silenced today. It has to be either LC or TH imo, and both of them generally post later in the evening. If it is TH, then I am wondering if this is not a frame. Silencing & insanifying her two biggest accusers is a bit overkill, yes?

Linki, Juliets I believe he is referring to the NP which says that Blondie Beastie has the will.

pgnss ndrstnds wht S~V~S s tlkng abt.

LizKeen wrote:MM, that's why I kept saying to be careful.

And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.

Oh and welcome Bass.

Ds ths mn LzKn wll gt lnchd?

Elohcin wrote:I'm not bad, if that's what you're thinking.

Dsn't m wf ndrstnd nglsh?

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
Lgh t p.

I'm trying, I'm trying! 10 more lbs to go. The goal is in sight!

Elohcin wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:This has been a very interesting night. I don't have much to add now but I am looking forward to what the day brings.

You have not had much to add all game.

I've done a piss poor job that past two games I was in so I am taking more of an observant approach this time around - a thinker more than a doer. However, when something suspicious sticks out, I will give my input.

Yay for no kill last night.

Linki: haha Epi! Not that you're cursed, but that your idea was stolen. At least we can understand you with this curse and you can still get your points across.

Lgh t p.

Rl fckng rgnl crs.

I'm afraid Golden scooped me on some things I wanted to say. Benefit of the waking hour, I suppose. If any of this is redundant, oh well.

LizKeen wrote:Is there usually this much requoting in Syndicate games? I'm really wondering if it's a mafia tactic just to be a massive distraction. If so then you're doing well.

The Legend of Zelda was an active game: With all the quoting and "requoting" present in it, I don't understand how LizKeen could consider this a Mafia tactic "in Syndicate games." This is a self-defeating thing to say: If there usually is this much requoting in Syndicate games (and a cursory glance at past games, including the one LizKeen was actually in, shows this to be the case), then how can anyone label it a mafia tactic? How many Mafia are there in this game? Surely there are more than five people making extensive use of the quote feature.

LizKeen wrote:I'm going back and re-reading (a task I dread) everyone bf was suspicious of so he won't have died in vain. The mafia would have most definitely wanted him so and I'd say there's at least one if not more of you in those 8 votes. Black Rock is off the hook obviously and I'm giving Zomb the benefit of the doubt now so that at least narrows it down to 6 for me.

Of the six left, LizKeen selected four, but so far has only been able to publish her opinion of S~V~S.

LizKeen wrote:No, before. I put it out there because as I no longer have it that is probably the most useful info I will have. I thought mafia had stolen it but I see that is not one of their abilities so I can assume it's in the hands of the celestials.

I have been rereading since my last post and had several posts I had quoted and commented on up to page 15 and then screwed up and lost it all. I'll have to start again tomorrow. Based on what I had reread I would say my current suspicions are SVS, rabbit, LongCon and Vompatti. But I'll have to go into that further tomorrow because it's really late and I'm tired.

I thought LizKeen's large case on S~V~S (something I have never seen her do) was weak, reaching, and misrepresented a number of things, not the least of which was S~V~S not voting blindfaeth right away and then deciding to vote for him much later.

LizKeen wrote:Also, fingersplints, you just seem to keep floating in and out making brief comments. I know you're busy, but you were far more vocal in the Zelda game when you were civvie. I'd like to get some others players thoughts on you since I don't have a plethora of past history to go on.

LizKeen has The Legend of Zelda game in mind as she is participating in this one. Look at fingersplints' posts in that game. You know what I see a lot of? Quoting and "requoting." fingersplints, whom LizKeen acknowledges was a civilian in LoZ, was doing something LizKeen was thinking just a few posts prior could be a Mafia tactic.

LizKeen wrote:MM could be bad, I'm just a little scared to put a vote there since I know (and said in an earlier post) that the mafia was going to go after an easy lynch today. On the other hand I previously said it looked like SVS was trying to avert lynching MM and if she would turn out to be bad then it would seem she's trying to help a teammate. Whichever way MM flips is going to be very telling.

If LizKeen is bad, then she already knows what the Mafia are planning to do. The underlined strikes me as trying to appear helpful without actually saying anything of substance. "The Mafia was going to go after an easy lynch today." Well, wow- do Mafia often make it their thing to go for the hard lynches? And what are easy lynches anyway?

What's even more bizarre is that LizKeen voted for Zomberella on Day 1, her reasoning being that Zomberella had outed herself somehow (outed herself as what, precisely?); yet on Day 2, LizKeen gives Zomberella this ominous warning to be careful where she votes, and that everyone should be on the lookout for easy lynches. MM got lynched almost unanimously, so what were we supposed to be looking out for?

To top it off? Both LizKeen and Zomberella missed the vote. I guess that's one way to avoid an easy lynch.

***Some of the quotes pulled in this post I trimmed for relevancy.***

I have to get my ass to bed. I'll elaborate further in the morning.