The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:48 pm @Epignosis what were you talking about with regards to ddl and a moral victory?

I drink.

So link.

Then I can tell you what I was talking about.

And for the record, MacDougall in chat suggested saving JJJ last minute and I opposed him, donkey that I am.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:59 pm Ok

Wilgy or Quin

Pick one.

No. I'm not picking one or the other. I suspect you.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:12 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:05 pm Not buying it, QUIN IS BAD

you'll tell me why you don't buy it instead of what you did last game and drag my name through the mud for 20 pages. show me where sprityo is pushing a town agenda.

He's pushing a civilian agenda because I've watched him do it in my BTSC.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:06 pm Epi is probably gonna yell at me now but i dont care, im trying to round together information

I don't mind. I have been a donkey, so I don't mind:

I am a princess. A pretty one. With an entourage.

By stopping the lynch Day 1, I got BTSC with two random bitches. MacDougall and sprityo are my bitches.

Now, disclaimer: Either one of them could be bad, but I had already decided Mac was a civilian.

sprityo accused me of being bad in my own chat. Dude's a muthafuckin civilian in my mind.

The back and forth between Mac and me was bullshit.

Don't believe me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:34 pm Epi get back in chatzy so I can scold you.

Jokes.

The back and forth between sprityo and me is bullshit (although I think he does have a degree of suspicion in the back of his mind, given than I said I would protect Mac and Mac died, which is why he came into chat and all capsed me. And that's why he came in here wanting me around for the inquisition).

I don't think we should be dancing anymore, and I hate that MacDougall was killed right after we tangoed. If a civilian killed him, target yourself next time and do us all a favor.

Now lynch mafia.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:23 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:22 pm Also my gut says you're bad.

Your gut could use more fruit.

Your play reminds me of Soneji when he's bad and doesn't have time to supatown. He goes after stray suspicions he knows he won't be able to lynch, just to look like he's saying something.

You are not going to lynch me, because everyone and their dog is reading me as a civ. But you need to do something. So now you're digging this lynch on me which you had forgotten about since day 1, in order to appear to do something, since there is no delicious Jay wagon for you to eat.

That's cute.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:48 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:47 pm but the thing is, you're at this very moment questioning quin on his lack of power usage, which was only found out because of the exact line of questioning that you implied isn't worthwhile. B)

I hate you.

Teammates.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:15 pm speaking of contributive players, i have not seen high nor low of epi all day

You don't say.

I said this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:05 pm I am behind and will be such for some time. I will try to catch up and make an informed vote, but I am not going to post much today.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:22 pm Also my gut says you're bad.

Your gut could use more fruit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:19 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:38 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:23 pm Are we not going to try and figure out the night actions? I feel it could help us at least figure out a course of action

I’m still pretty gung ho on lynching quin unless there’s a good reason not to.

There are approximately 21742864823468 ways this kill could have ended on Mac.

Including the fact someone misdirected a misdirector (iirc someone said they did it on Quin) and made a random person hit a random person.

You are trying to discredit sprityo's effort to work out what happened to MacDougall.

I do not approve.

Sorry teacher I'll give you an apple tomorrow to make up.

I don't eat fruit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:43 pm Sprityo your time will be better spent if you explain why the hell you want to lynch Quin, instead of solving the night kill puzzle that we lack the information to.

Boo.

Why are you using your time telling him what his time would be better spent on?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:38 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:23 pm Are we not going to try and figure out the night actions? I feel it could help us at least figure out a course of action

I’m still pretty gung ho on lynching quin unless there’s a good reason not to.

There are approximately 21742864823468 ways this kill could have ended on Mac.

Including the fact someone misdirected a misdirector (iirc someone said they did it on Quin) and made a random person hit a random person.

You are trying to discredit sprityo's effort to work out what happened to MacDougall.

I do not approve.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:42 pm My problem is that with Jay and Mac dead, the ratio of useful town players/useless load is at an all time low. This is how mafias win. Never mind that we also lost Dunya and got a less talkative player instead (no offense speed, but you don't lead the town the same way).

It was fun to tinfoil about Jay being bad, but now I wanna be more practical.

Yeah, no.

You don't get to have the moral victory here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:32 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:26 pm I'm more suspicious of Epi after today.

I might ISO him.

Any outcome?

9/10 times I say I'll ISO someone I procrastinate it until the end of time

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:09 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:28 pm I think Marmot is scum and he is my preferred lynch.

I could go for this as well

Also I want us to think about Jay's death some more, the mafia had the most to gain through lynching him and I seem to recall MAc and Epi pushing his lynch.

Mac is imo seen as one of the best scum players as is Epi why wouldn't they be picked?

If someone who's been around the block before had anything to do with the mafia pick Mac would be high up he won the GoC in 2015 (?) as well as many other games as mafia. He's also seems to be leading us on a path of destruction.

IF we don't get results soon I suggest looking back over Epi, Nutella, and Mac. I wouldn't be surprised if we had one mafia within that group.

I am behind and will be such for some time. I will try to catch up and make an informed vote, but I am not going to post much today.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:47 pm I need @Epignosis to be present as well. i have questions for him

You don't have questions for me.

You have questions for whomever kept me from protecting Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:24 pm
You're a parody of yourself.

What does that mean?

I still believe MacDougall is a civilian.

And there was one other I can't find.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:10 pm Yeah cool story Luffy. Next time add more sex scenes please. Maybe some robots.

@Epignosis

Firstly, who said this was a lost cause? Pointing out that the situation is fucked doesn't mean it's a lost cause. When I raised the point that I felt it was a pseudo lylo I didn't imply that if we lynched a civ I was going to give up, nor did I imply anybody should. I was pointing out that it was a very important day to get right. We got it wrong. So tomorrow is worse.


Secondly, why are you refuting that the situation is dire? The situation IS dire. We need to be better moving forward. If we go around thinking it's fucking roses then half the town will phone in their shit again.

What is with the timing of raising the point though? I can't see anyone bemoaning that the civs are doomed? The timing of the post is fucking weird.

Kiss my ass, MacDougall.

I wasn't even talking about you.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:24 pm Pretty sure we’re fucked.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 pm Still fucked though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:48 pm
So you are saying that you are feeling like the civs in this game think it's a lost cause and are giving up?

Mac, I know you can read. Read my original post again.

I am saying that any feelings that this is a lost cause for the civilians should be shut down because they are demonstrably bullshit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?

One of us provided an example, and it wasn't you. More civilians doesn't equal more chances to win because there are also more Mafia. And the Mafia MO is to make for a difficult thread environment to catch them in. With more of them doing that, the thread is a much harder place to find Mafia.

What is there to be gained from you trying to pacify our pessimism here? Why did you feel the need to make a stand against the thought that we are in a dire situation? What is the inspiration? What posts caused you to go on this tangent?

Yeah, fuck it.

We're done.

No reason to bother, everybody.

Just go home.

Mafia won.



It isn't a tangent. It's a point of fact.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:26 pm I'm more suspicious of Epi after today.

I might ISO him.

Go ahead. I'm a donkey.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:09 pm JJJ has until about Easter to give his legacy reads.

I already gave a pile of them. If you want specific reads substantiated more, say the names.

That was a joke on how long it takes to tabulate votes and stuff.

JJJ has until about Easter to give his legacy reads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:55 pm Tell me:

Which of your teammates did I bag before you?

Yes, you did it once. Congratulations, bravo.

It will remain once this time. I can understand why you'd overestimate your ability to read me with Mountains in mind. You'll learn.

Lynch this man.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:40 pm2. This is not pointless conjecture. There are votes that count. Votes that count twice. Votes that don't count if this or that. That isn't conjecture. Those things or variants of them exist. If they don't, a number of people are lying. That you think you will advance the civilian win condition by mindlessly setting up a tie because of one role makes me think you want a tie for evil reasons.

Who claimed vote-altering powers? A number of people?

I don't know who claimed them. I remember reading about them.

This seems important. I hope we can get some more solid facts on that. If we're going to side with you on this, then facts are what counts.

I don't care who claimed what. I recall a few people claimed stuff regarding their votes counting or not counting depending on this or that. That is enough for me to believe that, in a game this size, given that they probably aren't lying, other people have vote manipulations one way or the other, and that, given the nature of this setup, mafia have some action in that regard as well.

Long Con saying that "facts are what counts." Sheesh, maybe you have gone soft.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:49 pm
~ I think read this guy as a civilian, but he has nonetheless done what I perceive to be a lot of damage to the game. This is not some petulant gripe, this is serious: he has contributed to the worsening climate for dunya, who was an obvious civilian (speedchuck carries on that credit). He has been rigidly confident in his read on me without having lynched a separate mafioso first, meaning he thinks he can snag me without interactive clues. He still hasn't done shit with his exercise. These don't have to make him bad, but if y'all fail to press him on these issues and any other you identify, then you are asking for it.

Oh?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:55 am

BABY MOUNTAINS GOTTA GO

JaggedJimmy has been lynched. He was...

Spoiler: show

Chocolate Hills, Philippines (120 m) - There are so many of these hills in this area that they haven’t all been counted yet. There are so many hills, and they look like chocolate kisses when the grass dries out. This distracts another player nightly, roleblocking a player of Chocolate Hills’ choice.

You have until 22:00 MST on Sunday to submit your night actions, as I will be incapacitated tomorrow.

Tell me:

Which of your teammates did I bag before you?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:40 pm2. This is not pointless conjecture. There are votes that count. Votes that count twice. Votes that don't count if this or that. That isn't conjecture. Those things or variants of them exist. If they don't, a number of people are lying. That you think you will advance the civilian win condition by mindlessly setting up a tie because of one role makes me think you want a tie for evil reasons.

Who claimed vote-altering powers? A number of people?

I don't know who claimed them. I remember reading about them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:25 pm If you are a civilian, you would have acknowledged that other forces are likely at work, and that a civilian could be lynched, nobody is cleared, and even worse, people may make untrue assumptions. You would not have conceded so easily that a tie is in the civilians' best interest.

No. One thing civilian JJJ doesn't give two shits about is pointless conjecture. You are making two bad decisions at the same time:

1. Read JJJ with iron confidence given an incorrect perception of how he'd play under whatever conditions.

2. Refuse to acknowledge the validity of a strategy because of conditions which have no objective existence in this game. They are cans and coulds. It's also possible one of the mafia members is a fig newton. Who cares.

Defend your logic if you want. You'll know soon enough at least that I really believe what I am saying to you. Nobody can tell me I didn't try.

1. I am not making an incorrect perception of what you would do under whatever conditions. I am calling your cases weak and poorly thought out. I don't care about your post count or your burn out. What you have posted, in my own judgment, is phony to me. That doens't require circumstance or conditions- it's my judgment, and that's how this thing works. I am but one vote, however.

2. This is not pointless conjecture. There are votes that count. Votes that count twice. Votes that don't count if this or that. That isn't conjecture. Those things or variants of them exist. If they don't, a number of people are lying. That you think you will advance the civilian win condition by mindlessly setting up a tie because of one role makes me think you want a tie for evil reasons.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:15 pm I recognize the role.

It isn't the only role.

And you are acting like it is.

If the mafia team has some extra vote and they want to waste it on Day 3, then they be my guest.

You are encouraging this lynch to hinge on the nature of a single role. You are even throwing an all-caps battle cry KEEP THE TIE out there.

If you are a civilian, you would have acknowledged that other forces are likely at work, and that a civilian could be lynched, nobody is cleared, and even worse, people may make untrue assumptions. You would not have conceded so easily that a tie is in the civilians' best interest.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:16 pm Jjj is NOT mafia, he's even willing to die, this is insane

Explain to me how saying you are willing to die makes you not mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:09 pm But JJJ, you think there's not a single behind-the-scenes vote out there?

I don't know. There could be. I have no reason to assume that. I don't have time for maybemongering.

Fuck your tie madness. That's what I do when I'm bad.

What you do when you're bad is this:

WEEEE TIES ARE FUN.

I am trying to use gwilly's role to its fullest potential. If y'all can't even recognize that opportunity then please bloody lynch me. Get me out of this headache.

I recognize the role.

It isn't the only role.

And you are acting like it is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:56 pm Don't let mafia tell you to keep the tie. Bury the mafia.

I like Epi.

[VOTE: JJJ] AUBERGINE ... ?

What is the whole AUBERGINE thing anyhow?

Civilian right here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:56 pm Don't let mafia tell you to keep the tie. Bury the mafia.

If you're a civilian you have wasted so much of your own time. Jesus.

I've wasted so much of my time regardless due to poor personal life decisions.

This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. This game is RIFE with secret powers and strange shenanigans and fuckery.

And JJJ acts like this proposition is a slam dunk.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:53 pm Guys please. Can you just fucking pick who you think is a werewolf and vote for them and then stop with the shenanigans. You should all be policy lynched for this garbage.

What’s the problem? You either lynch a mafioso, or you eliminate one suspect while clearing another.

That’s not a bad situation.

So the mafia have absolutely no secret ability to affect the lynch vote total, you're saying?

Don't let mafia tell you to keep the tie. Bury the mafia.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:04 am Have some opinions:

Bad guys:

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay, rundontwalk

derp.

What did you mean by this?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:08 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:55 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

because we're lynching a baddie today thank you

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuse me princess

Link ftw

That should say "assess me."

I am a teacher and automatically write "assessment." Bleh.

I am confident that JJJ is bad. If I am wrong, assessment as you will, but I believe in my shit.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:44 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:27 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 am civscape is a pretty cool word, i'll give you that, but hear me out: what the actual literal genuine fuck does it mean

Linguists don't define words. We let the masses use them and then figure it out.

you used it. what did it mean in that use?

No. You seem to be more enthralled by that word than I am. I know what I meant by throwing it out there. What does it mean to you?

And why do you care about a made up word in a mafia game?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:27 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 am civscape is a pretty cool word, i'll give you that, but hear me out: what the actual literal genuine fuck does it mean

Linguists don't define words. We let the masses use them and then figure it out.

where was this attitude during the "information" debate

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 am civscape is a pretty cool word, i'll give you that, but hear me out: what the actual literal genuine fuck does it mean

Linguists don't define words. We let the masses use them and then figure it out.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:54 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:52 am i got your dumb joke epi

Took you a while. Do you get why JJJ is bad? That's more important.

what do you mean took me a while I got it when I read it


and....maybe? I'm not 100% sold

I was amusing myself on the timing of your post. I'm self-centered.

A civilian JJJ does not have to burn himself out. He would still not lie down and take this.

He is bad. He is going mum. He is a big voice until someone challenges him. People give JJJ free reign over the civscape (ooh, did I just make a word?), but they never challenge him until it is too late.

I don't have a problem with him feeling burnout. I'm feeling burnout myself, and I'm a civilian. This isn't about that.

JJJ's cases have been shit. His treatment of my exercise has been shit. He is not a civilian. Lynch him.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:52 am i got your dumb joke epi

Took you a while. Do you get why JJJ is bad? That's more important.