The Syndicate

And this is not "tinfoil madness time."

ffs

At least five mafia are dead. This is the time to eliminate the most obvious candidates before throwing up your hands and saying "the dude could've killed himself" Night 2 for no fucking reason since nobody gets any credibility from merely being killed.

Nah.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:01 pm The tinfoil about teams killing their own members for town credibility is the strongest argument I can make against Scotty that doesn't revolve around POE. It's not very strong.

But...you don't get any credibility for being killed by the mafia, because you could be a civilian and come back mafia (in theory- I don't think that's happening).

What I want to know is this:

Who the fuck killed Scotty?

Because it wasn't Long Con.

And it wasn't nutella.

Scotty was killed by an Even.

Who was that Even?

we don't know if alignment is baked into roles or if roles are completely incidental to alignment. I kinda suspect the latter.

Yes, Epi, there are multiple Evens left. It would seem that at least one of them was on Cerberus. I think one of those was Scotty. Hell, tinfoil-madness-time, the dude could have killed himself. If not, there could be another one from Cerberus. I'm not sure who that other one is. Sorry.

I'm not interested in "the dude could have killed himself."

This is the Game of Champions, as you noted when you voted JackofHearts Day 1. Killing yourself isn't showing up.

I can't see the polls when I read Cerberus, so I was not clear that you were on the chopping block Day 5. That makes a difference in how I read what you posted. I still suspect you, but only for reasons I already suspect you, and not for anything new.

I would like to know who you think killed Scotty.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:01 pm The tinfoil about teams killing their own members for town credibility is the strongest argument I can make against Scotty that doesn't revolve around POE. It's not very strong.

But...you don't get any credibility for being killed by the mafia, because you could be a civilian and come back mafia (in theory- I don't think that's happening).

What I want to know is this:

Who the fuck killed Scotty?

Because it wasn't Long Con.

And it wasn't nutella.

Scotty was killed by an Even.

Who was that Even?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:59 pm I don't see how anyone can be cleared by being NKed in a game with two lives, possible target switching roles, possible post death alignment switches and an Even team featuring a guy who killed himself for cred. In a game Epi hosted, iirc.

Also, two things.

First, Long Con didn't exactly kill himself for credibility. And it happened late in the game when the mafia were almost cooked anyway.

Second, I didn't host that. I was cooking mafia with Illyria.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:52 pm If you believe Scotty is Strex, why?

If you believe Scotty is an Even, then who killed him Night 2?

Go.

Inbetween composing my response to Epi's turgid, repetitive wallpost of old, stale, laundry, I thought of responding to this.

Actually, I'm gonna let past me answer this one.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:15 am He was killed on Night 2, correct? This is pure, uncut, WIFOM, but there's been a kinda low-level suspicion brewing ever since the start of the game, or at least I remember someone mentioning it in Cerberus, that scum teams would be willing to nightkill one of their own early on, putting them on their second life, but giving them cover throughout the rest of the game. That's assuming alignments carry over after death, of course, but from my limited perspective, that appears to be the case.

I'm not ruling him out.

That doesn't answer either one of my questions.

If you believe Scotty is Strex, why?

If you believe Scotty is an Even, then who killed him Night 2?

Go.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:32 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:04 pm idk who to
vote for. lol. wat. help.
idk cbob? boomslang?

Why not kyle?

Kyle didn't care who was lynched day five; indeed Kyle didn't care about the lynch enough to even vote. Had he voted for sig, LC might not have been lynched. I find him an unlikely Even.

And Scotty mocking people isn't nice. I am not conducting.

I am not as certain that there was an effort to save Long Con in Cerberus as you are. I did not want to say this when I was being lynched because I figured it would just he turned against me, but the frustration about our lack of lynches had been mounting. The push by Scotty, myself, and others to get somebody lynched could very well havd just been a product of collective frustration.

Kyle was largely disengaged and I wouldn't expect him to put up a big fight to save his teammate. He just wasn't active enough at the time.

Having said all that, I do not remember exactly how things went down that day.

Even when it was happening, the whole pushing for a lynch, no-matter-what, convincing-cases-be-damned thing felt like a thin excuse for a witch hunt that I wasn't buying into. Out of the three people who were reeeeeally pushing lynches, one's a dead civilian, one's you, who I'm ambivalent about, and the other is Scotty. I feel like someone was using that pro-lynch fervor for nefarious purposes, and Scotty makes the most damn sense.

On Day 5, the dude was adamently against me for pretty flimsy reasons. Then I show up, defend myself and offer a case against sig, who wasn't around at all, and he jumps on it, changing the direction of the lynchwagon straight down the path of least resistance exactly when the Evens needed Cerberus to outvote Pikachu.

Since then, he's engaged in a pattern of disingenuous flippity floppity and illogical, dirty-feeling narrative pushing that I feel like I've written extensively about. At this point, I feel like people have kinda retreated into their own ideological bubbles in terms of lynch candidates, so any more case-making would just be shouting into the void.

I think Scotty's bad, I've thought that for a large chunk of the game at this point, and shitty voting record be damned, I might just end up voting him until one of us dies.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Hoo boy.



Glad I read that shit this morning and yesterday.

First, this was your reaction to sig not getting lynched (even though sig was good and LC was bad):

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:14 pm okay what the fuck

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

You look pretty adamant here that one of your tribe's lynches go through. A civilian sig survived while a mafia Long Con died, and your reaction was to be pissed that your tribe didn't score the lynch?

Second, your biggest complaints against Scotty were Day 1 when he and Sloonei were having a go at you to move shit along I guess.

Be mindful that Scotty was Scotty 1, who had yet to be killed by the Evens. He was innocent then.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:16 pm In terms of voting, I wouldn't be against going the Scotty route and voting for JoH. This is the Game of friggin' Champions. Champions, at the very least, show up.

You agreed with Scotty to vote for a (likely) civilian JackofHearts2005.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:05 pm People I'm looking at today, in no particular order:

Sig - Same reasons as yesterday. May vote for him.
Daisy - Not really done much other than go after Boomslang for kinda flimsy reasons and randomly vote for Wilgy. May vote for her.
Kyle - I suck at reading him, so I'm kinda fighting my instincts on this one, but I really didn't like his overreaction to the perceived overreaction of Boomslang's 70% comment. Not gonna vote for him today due to insanification.
Scotty - The Lorab thing is weak sauce. I myself sometimes struggle with having solid reads, and can be hella reticent to concretely voice my opinions, so Lorab is reading as a town-read to me. Scotty sure is posting a bunch, but I'm not really sure what all he's saying. Plus, he hasn't yet posted a Survivor Mafia 2 in The Drawing Board forum. We should lynch him solely for that. May vote for him.
Wilgy - Good ol' unreadable clusterfuck-y wiggly Wilgy. I appreciate his defense of me against Sloonei's nonsense, but he's still one big question mark to me, way more than perhaps any other player. Probably won't vote for him.
Nijuu - Like his Sig vote, but still a bit of a blank read. I know that this is WIFOM soup, but considering that it appears that mafia remain mafia after losing a life, I can't help but wonder if they'd NK one of their own early on just to muddy up the waters. It's a dumb reason to suspect Nijuu, as I'm well aware, but it's why I can't really loosen up and townread him. Probably won't vote for him.

You didn't agree with Scotty about Lorab though.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:50 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:46 am I have been doing most of my reading at work, which is why when I post it has more thoughts. I can't post as easily at work. So I know that when I was catching up once Wilgy started talking something he said jumped out at me and immediately made me think, "teammates." But I can't recall off the top of my head. I will need to find it again. I just don't have time tonight.

On another note, I think I was a lot more loud about the fact I didn't like Boomslang jumping on the dumb 70% thing. I get why it doesn't make sense as a statement, but I think Boomslang is a really smart dude. He should have been able to realize, that this statement is not one that logically would say "Baddie." So the fact that he based his vote on that dumb comment is what bothers me. in fact that is what bothers me about Boomslang overall. I have a high amount of respect for his intellect in general. And I struggle to find the logic in his suspicions. This could entirely just be a difference of how we think, that is my only hindrance in this. But I have no qualms about the fact I suspected Boom based on that. I think it's weird no one really talked much about the fact I took this strong stance about it. And even weirder that I don't even remember Kyle having made a big deal of it.

I don't have the immediate feeling of "TOWN" from Kyle that I have in the past, but I haven't had any kind of feel.

At one point in my read through, I had the thought that I believed either Boomslang, Blooper or both were bad but I didn't believe they were both good. I can't recall why now though. Perhaps something to do with how they interacted. I'll have to revisit to figure it out again.

Uh something else, I can't recall. Someone that had listed suspicion of me seemed fake as shit, but now I don't remember which one. Must research to recall.

That's all I can think of tonight. My energy went to researching Wilgy to decide if I was on crack or not regarding my perception of his meta. I decided that I don't think I am. However I will add this caveat. The older games lack this pattern. But I feel like it is present in all the games I checked from 2017 and so far in 2018. I didn't look through all 2016, I noticed the lack of it back in the 2015 games, but we're talking three years ago. I still feel fairly strongly that we are seeing bad Wilgy here. So much so I am willing to toss my vote there right now.

VOTE DrWilgy You asked for an aubergine fiiiiight, and I love you toooo. But I still think you are bad. But I love you, Baddie Badderson.

Coaching weak suspicions in "you're usually better" nonsensical sentiment. Boomslang is usually smarter (which Daisy and Sloonei seem to define as agreeing with their suspicions instead of having their own opinions) and DrWilgy is, I guess, more gimmick-y? The only thing from Wilgy's game-content that I've found disagreeable is his Boomslang vote today. Daisy's highly-subjective entirely-meta case against him just seems like formless finger pointing.

I'd vote for Daisy or Sig today over anyone else. I'm gonna try and ISO Scotty at some point and give my thoughts on him and his glut of content.

You defended Wilgy and voiced more suspicion of Daisy or sig than Scotty.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:30 pm @Scotty if I moved my vote to sig, would you follow me?

You asked Scotty if he'd help you lynch sig.

It's like, what- you need someone whom you suspect's support for you to vote sig on the very Day Long Con was being lynched in the other thread?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:27 pm Screw it, leap of faith.

sig aubergine

Here you hope sig gets lynched.

He doesn't.

You look upset.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:14 pm okay what the fuck

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

So people who want to push a lynch through no matter are disingenuous before Day 5, but you're not on Day 5, the only time in Cerebus you tried really hard to push through a lynch?

Do I have that right?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:49 pm This is part of the reason I thought you were bad, Sloonei. I no longer think so, but can you see my perspective?

"I don't really think this happened but I don't actually remember it and aren't going to read it to figure it out."

@Epignósis missing THAT vote was critical, it could have been the difference between LC being lynched or not.

Long Con was getting lynched sooner or later. I sure wouldn't have made any effort to save his ass.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:32 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:04 pm idk who to
vote for. lol. wat. help.
idk cbob? boomslang?

Why not kyle?

Kyle didn't care who was lynched day five; indeed Kyle didn't care about the lynch enough to even vote. Had he voted for sig, LC might not have been lynched. I find him an unlikely Even.

And Scotty mocking people isn't nice. I am not conducting.

I am not as certain that there was an effort to save Long Con in Cerberus as you are. I did not want to say this when I was being lynched because I figured it would just he turned against me, but the frustration about our lack of lynches had been mounting. The push by Scotty, myself, and others to get somebody lynched could very well havd just been a product of collective frustration.

Kyle was largely disengaged and I wouldn't expect him to put up a big fight to save his teammate. He just wasn't active enough at the time.

Having said all that, I do not remember exactly how things went down that day.

You should reread it. It is fairly illuminating. And the lynch was very visibly tied, you should at least consider ithere may have been someone trying to save LC before lynching people on POE. I mean you are dismissing it out of hand without even reading it.

I read it as early as this morning and I don't think anybody tried to save Long Con- least of all the guy who got killed Night 2 by Long Con's team.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:04 pm idk who to
vote for. lol. wat. help.
idk cbob? boomslang?

Why not kyle?

Kyle didn't care who was lynched day five; indeed Kyle didn't care about the lynch enough to even vote. Had he voted for sig, LC might not have been lynched. I find him an unlikely Even.

And Scotty mocking people isn't nice. I am not conducting.

That whole damn team was a mess. I'm not on it and I can tell that much.

LC gave up the name of the other tribe and failed to offer the most obvious excuse for it.

nutella quit talking about anybody and focused on her tests.

They've missed kills or failed to kill.

Kylemii missing a vote at a critical juncture doesn't move me one bit about a team that hasn't been sharp.

Hell, Lorab missed several votes and she was bad.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Please explain to me how Scotty is the most likely person to have killed sprityo. What qualifies him for this achievement?

already explained this. you were instrumental in lynching Nutella and LC, Sloonei is unlikely to have used his role in a nefarious way, and spacedaisy is less likely to be even by extension. That leaves Scotty

By extension of what?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:00 pm Remind me- was there not a time where Speedchuck was removed from the poll after tribe swap? Am I just misremembering?

He was.

I know because I read the entire damn thread recently.

Yeah, that’s a wildcard. Have we never seen that happen again? Could it have been a random BTS reward? I don’t recall a role reveal giving that. And I don’t think it’s you, Epi. I don’t think it’s Dom, unless his role isn’t really what it says it is

Once again, I'm a donkey.

Quin was killed and shown to be someone immune to anything except kills.

Which goes back to "You/Dom have to be haiku/poll remover"

Or

Some role flip has lied to us.

The later opens a huge can of worms since it could be literally anyone.

Being off the poll need not be a targeted role ability. It could be an "effect."

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:00 pm Remind me- was there not a time where Speedchuck was removed from the poll after tribe swap? Am I just misremembering?

He was.

I know because I read the entire damn thread recently.

Yeah, that’s a wildcard. Have we never seen that happen again? Could it have been a random BTS reward? I don’t recall a role reveal giving that. And I don’t think it’s you, Epi. I don’t think it’s Dom, unless his role isn’t really what it says it is

Once again, I'm a donkey.

Quin was killed and shown to be someone immune to anything except kills.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:00 pm Remind me- was there not a time where Speedchuck was removed from the poll after tribe swap? Am I just misremembering?

He was.

I know because I read the entire damn thread recently.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Please explain to me how Scotty is the most likely person to have killed sprityo. What qualifies him for this achievement?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:37 pm Don't do this to me Epi.

Everybody is on the poll today (which still says Night 15).

Everybody was on the poll Day 15.

Lots of people were off the poll Day 14.

I can't really tell with Day 13 without spending more time on this than I care to.

Quin was killed Night 12.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:02 pm I think lynching Sloonei right now is a bad move.

Why "right now"?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:03 pm My suspicion of Sloonei has increased, but not to the extent that I would consider voting him today. Continuing to pound Strex (which may not exist anymore) is something a potentially remaining Even could do to stay...how do you say..."engaged." That's just not enough for me to vote for Sloonei today, and we have the luxury of giving him time to clear his name from being an Evil Even.

Now to consider where my vote will go.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:29 pm Sorry if I'm being stupid but

How are we sure which kills were made by Evens/Strex?

Did we ever confirm the theory that evens kill on even nights?

Marmot was the blizzard guy that stopped all Night actions and presumably the Night 4 kill. Presumably Marmot would not prevent his own team's kill, since they were out for blood.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:00 pm Holding an AMA for myself because I love attention. I’ll answer anything to the best of my ability, so shoot

Make an argument for Epignosis being bad.

That's not a question, sorry.

I instead have an argument for why he’s good.

I mean, I don’t wanna blow up his spot, but I think Epi has a good role and I want him to stay around to use it again.

Would that suffice?

Epi is the haiku dude.

Day 4:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:35 pm Life- a shit sandwich
The more bread you have on hand,
The less shit you eat

Day 12:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:03 pm DharmaHelper died
He was David Lynch two times
And yet was not lynched

I have spoken in verse twice.

The rules don't say anything about self-targeting that I have seen.

DharmaHelper was all up on my ass roundabout Day 9.

I wasn't speaking in verse at any point around that time.

Go on and marinate on that for a while.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:31 pm N10:

Golden wrote:As it happened, they never showed up at all.

Sloonei brought it up before and I dismissed it because [reasons] but Golden does like to hint in his host posts. We originally were like “Awwww it’s Wilgy because Wilgy wasn’t around” but Wilgy wasn’t an even killer (we assume).

And there aint no way in hell that I would have purposely withheld a kill in mid game. Boomslang was the only person without a post on N10. You tell me a better explanation for that.

Nor would I.

If Boomslang is Even, then it means were have four Evens, given that somebody had to snuff sprityo (again, making the usual assumptions), and since odd kills are still going on, it likely means there's one more Strex out there. So I dig it.

I remembered this:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:43 pm Night will end at approximately 5:58 pm eastern standard time today which means pms are due in to me and Golden by 3:58 pm eastern standard time. Also please remember this rule:

4) You may not target someone on two consecutive nights unless your role says otherwise. Some roles will have their targets randomised if you do not send a PM, so if you want to make a tactical choice not to use your night power, please PM the host to check first. All targeting roles need to send a PM to both golden and juliets at least two hours before deadline.

I really don't want to be running randomizations and I know you probably don't want your abilities randomized so please get those pms in on time. Thanks in advance and let us know if you have any questions.

This implies that people were not sending in their shit when they were supposed to. That was Night 3 though.

Furthermore, if no kill took place because of inactivity, it means kill targets aren't randomly assigned.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:59 pm Wow, and you call ME tinfoil, Epi, lol.

I don't see how anyone can be cleared by being NKed in a game with two lives, possible target switching roles, possible post death alignment switches and an Even team featuring a guy who killed himself for cred. In a game Epi hosted, iirc.

Epi said this re Sloonei:

Sloonei's first role was one that could steal powers and use them on other people, and there was no limit on how many times he could use the ability. If you believe Sloonei is an Evil Even, then it means he could have eventually copied LC and nutella's very powerful roles multiple times and caused wicked chaos. I understand Sloonei was on a different tribe than both of them and this opportunity never presented itself, but all that would have had to have happened was Lorab pushing the button Night 1, potentially putting Sloonei in the same tribe as Long Con and nutella, and he would have had a field day copying their vote manipulations and fake revelations.

Nope, I fully believe he used his powers for good. I saw his role, some, um, things, made sense to me that had not before.

I don't think being NKed clears Scotty. I think he fits two sets of criteria, so I voted for him.

I don't understand how anything I've put forward is "tinfoil."

I did not clear anyone without caveat, and I certainly didn't clear anyone solely on the basis of being Night killed. I think you are misunderstanding the purpose of my bringing that up:

There were two Evens on Pikachu at least. There had to be one on Cerberus for Scotty to die (again, assuming no mafia could kill on another tribe). Scotty did not kill himself, did he?

If that's true, then an Even on Cerberus killed Scotty, and that unknown Even had to be transported to Pikachu to snuff sprityo. Unless you believe Scotty turned, which apparently you do, then Scotty is cleared- at least enough for me to refrain from voting for him.

I meant Even. I had written Strex so many times in that spot.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:31 pm Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, Scotty and Sloonei are being cleared from Strex due to pressure/voting, correct?

Unless either turned, yes. That's pretty much it.

Part II

The following only applies if we assume that a) No mafia member had the ability to kill on a tribe he or she was not on, and b) No mafia member, intentionally or inadvertently, killed one of their own. If either of these are true, especially the former, then all of this can go out the window.

Pikachu:

colonialbob
Dragon D Luffy - Killed Night 14 by the Evens, so his first life was not Even.
Dharmahelper
dom
Epignosis
Long Con - Evil Even
nutella - Evil Even
Quin - Killed Night 12 by the Evens, so his first life was not Even.
speedchuck
sprityo
S~V~S - Killed Night 6 by the Evens, so her first life was not Even.


Cerberus:

Boomslang
DrWilgy - Strex
insertnamehere
JackofHearts2005
Kylemii
LoRab - Strex
Marmot - Strex
Ninja
Scotty - Killed Night 2 by Strex, so his first life was not Strex.
sig
Sloonei
Spacedaisy


Strex conducted no kills against Pikachu until Jack, but the kill could have been submitted before the switch, and Wilgy and Marmot were both switched over with Jack. This somewhat implies that all of Strex was on Cerberus from the beginning.

If that's true, then it means Strex had no idea what was going on in Pikachu before Day 8.

The Evil Evens killed people on both tribes. Scotty was killed Night 2, which implies that at least one Evil Even is among the original Cerberus population. That's Boomslang, insertnamehere, Kylemii, Scotty, Sloonei, and Spacedaisy.

Scotty was killed by a Cerberus Evil Even Night 2. That would mean Scotty did not come to Pikachu and kill sprityo. Scotty and Sloonei both argued over which Strex members to kill first.

This clears Scotty, and he should not be lynched today (unless you believe he turned or is a malevolent independent). I note that at this moment, both S~V~S and Kylemii are parked on Scotty.

Sloonei's first role was one that could steal powers and use them on other people, and there was no limit on how many times he could use the ability. If you believe Sloonei is an Evil Even, then it means he could have eventually copied LC and nutella's very powerful roles multiple times and caused wicked chaos. I understand Sloonei was on a different tribe than both of them and this opportunity never presented itself, but all that would have had to have happened was Lorab pushing the button Night 1, potentially putting Sloonei in the same tribe as Long Con and nutella, and he would have had a field day copying their vote manipulations and fake revelations.

I have a hard damn time believing that role existed on a team with Long Con and nutella. A hard damn time. Unless you believe he turned or is a malevolent independent, Sloonei should not be lynched today. I'm marking Sloonei off the list.

That leaves Kylemii and Spacedaisy, neither of whom voted for sig Day 6 when sig was tied up for Long Con on the other tribe.

This will require further investigation.

Pikachu 2:

Epignosis
Kylemii
Scotty
Sloonei
Spacedaisy


Cerberus 2:

Boomslang
colonialbob
dom
Dragon D. Luffy
insertnamehere
Quin
S~V~S

If you believe that Strex was limited to Cerberus until Day 8, then there is less reason to suspect those who migrated from Pikachu to Cerberus. That would be colonialbob, Dom, DDL, Quin, and S~V~S. If I had to name one of these as Strex, it would be colonialbob for the same reasons I gave Day 13 in my big damn post. Boomslang and insertnamehere remain secondary suspects at this time.

I wrote up most of that yesterday morning. The reason I was pissed yesterday evening was because I couldn't find the saved draft and thought it was gone. Then I found it. I didn't bother editing it.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:44 pm Ok, all caught up. I don't like Sig's explanation of the haiku confusion on a personal level, but I guess that's a playstyle disagreement. Not going to push it when we have juicy nightkill responses to make.

I wasn't involved in killing Blooper, but I strongly suspect that whoever did kill her is laughing their asses off at the WIFOM they just created. I'm betting it's one of the older players who understands the couples meta. Coupled with sig's good point about a ballsy scum team being willing to NK their own for the wifom...

Marmot needs to show up and give us something to chew on. Wilgy has also been super blendy so far. About the only thing we've gotten from him is some gentle needling of Sloonei based on a point made by Scotty. And a cryptic comment about Kyle — why is he a "hero and patriot" for voting Blooper?

I also have an eyeball on Lorab right now. "Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone" at the end of Day 1 is so noncommittal, then she votes Sloonei for "peer pressure" and the active voices in the thread don't really get on her for that lack of reasoning. She then jumps in, first post of Day 2, to begin the WIFOM about me and the Blooper kill.

Boomslang called out all three known members of Strexcorp in this one post.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:58 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:34 pm @Scotty

Why do you have cat food in your pantry?

You never know when the feline master race will knock on the door. You truly never know..

The feline master race does not knock.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:38 pm


I refuse to lynch this man.

Wilgy targeted INH and then Marmot was the first to quote it (and INH posted the Vocaroo link a second time- I'm not sure if that's relevant, but Scotty quoted the second post).

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:40 pm I actually don't see the comparison between this lorab and fiddler lorab? early game fiddler lorab at least one announced intentions and thoughts on relevant players, even if they weren't strong, meanwhile here she's not actually pushed any topics at all and her vote was for Sloonei for peer pressuring her? like for sure I am not saying that her posts here are the ingredients of a civ, but fiddler lorab (mafia) put effort into making it seem like she cared about the roof

This is a defense of Lorab.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:44 pm Vote Nijuukyugou aubergine

Even though Wilgy and Lorab had two votes each, and sig had three, Boomslang stayed out altogether and voted nijuukyugou by himself.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:48 pm vote boomslang aubergine

Even though Wilgy and Lorab had two votes each, and sig had three, Kylemii stayed out altogether and voted Boomslang by himself.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:19 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:34 am i was like just going to ask kyle for a list of GTH reads. I don't think that would work now.

this aint scaffolding King of Town rodeo, Shouter B)

boomslang target boomslang bad boomslang bad

DrWilgy good S~V~S good arr! good

insertnamehere Catherine Martell? inh good? ing good?

JackofHearts2005 suspicious hylotheism good jack good

Kylemii good Folding Raincoat good kyle good

LoRab bad? Emperor Dalek bad? lorab bad?

Marmot delusory? marmot bad? marmot bad?

Nijuukyugou White Rabbit Nijuukyugou Mafia Nijuukyugou good

Scotty good Acolyte of Death good scotty premonstration Diabolic Manipulator sig words rapparee bad

Sloonei good sloonei sugarplum sloonei good

Spacedaisy good spadecaisy Moving PIctures spacesdaisy good

Kylemii called Lorab bad but did not vote for her Day 2. It looks like he called sig bad too and didn't vote there either Day 2. During that time, Pikachu had a tie of DDL (5) and speedchuck (5). A bad Kylemii might be inclined to keep the lynch in Pikachu in play by not adding to Cerberus consensus. Kylemii voted the same way instead of voting for sig Day 3. I say this because one of Kyle's votes could have been Kramered, but not both.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:34 pm Gonna comment while I read. Sorry if I post preemptively and someone has already said it on a subsequent page.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:00 pm
but why was it so frustrating? what was the actual source of frustration for you? was anyone expecting sig or anyone to say whether they'd written a haiku

Um, yes? That was exactly what I expected when I asked "Anyone else willing to make that claim?"

what kind of person would have the forethought to lie about doing a haiku but not have the forethought to have just done a haiku when they signed up in the first place? I also don't necessarily think a civ who hadn't done a haiku would have a good reason to tell the truth about it?

I don't think "forethought" comes into it. We weren't told that haiku gave the lynch-immunity advantage before the game, so if somebody didn't send one in, they could easily have an "oh shit" moment.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:34 pm Hilarious thoughts while I'm reading this (mostly unhelping mudslinging) thread (meaning no offense - it's just mafia as usual):

What if...NO ONE was bad in our tribe? Perish the thought. But it would be funny.

What possible town benefit is there to bringing this up? At best, it's conjecture; at worst, it's planting a seed of doubt that encourages us not to vote, giving baddies a free day.

Mostly my own conjecture, since I like to just post my thoughts. I've really been bothered by the thought, though. Well, more bothered by the possibility of a very small number of mafia in this game. I'm seriously traumatized by last year's GoC and getting super mad IRL about it, which I don't want again, ever. But sure, perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned it. My intention was not to prevent baddie hunting - it was to post my now-thoughts, which I don't get a chance to do very often.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:31 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:12 pm To be fair, this is actually the stuff he gets worked up about IRL

She's not wrong, you know :P Also, in your linki roundup of people, you didn't mention a leading suspect: me. What do you think of me anyway, old sport?

I think you're good. I think your getting worked up over people accusing you Day 1 (the usual) makes you look good (or the frustration is genuine). And your suspicion of me makes you look even better, because you're actually reading into my posts and trying to pull something out of it, which is a good civ look IMO. You're not correct in your suspicion, but I like your hunting.

Perhaps inconsistent, but I also appreciate Marmot's defense of me in the last two pages (I read the thread...a bit strangely. Last, first, and then the middle). I'm usually fairly suspicious when someone buddies up to me like he's been doing (and perhaps I should be more so), but I get good vibes. Let's see if that changes as I continue to catch up.

nijuukyugou, have your opinions of Boomslang changed since you wrote this? If so, in what way?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:03 pm Ugh, this week. I am so sorry for missing another vote. I got caught up in holiday prep yesterday (with the added bonus of having to figure out if we should cancel last night's worship services/celebration due to weather) and then spent a lot more time today at work than I had thought I would. Normalcy should return tomorrow afternoon (although I may have to go back to jury duty Monday--we had to do a long questionaire and then the judge will interview us for jury selection--btw, one of the questions on the questionaire was what our hobbies are, and I was so tempted to write "playing mafia" but better judgement won out).

I think Sloonei was the right choice for spy (despite previous reservations about Sloonei). And I can't wait to hear what is going on there. I'm fascinated that DDL would have had to have at least 6 votes, if he started with -2. Out of 11 players on that tribe, that's a good amount of consensus, which is interesting--especially given the amount of trouble we've been having.

Fascinating indeed. From the perspective of Strex, this would have meant the tally was DDL (4) to sig (4). With sig being good, the longer this team can keep the heat on him, the longer they stay alive given the anemic lynching going on in Cerberus. I would suggest that this makes DDL look less likely to be Strex, since there was no effort made to save him, but Wilgy is weird and Lorab probably genuinely missed the vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:40 pm I feel better about both Drwilgy and Marmot now than I did roughly 24 hours ago. I feel like both of them have shown a genuine effort to figure out what's going on in this game in that time. I'm feeling less inclined to vote for either of them right now.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:27 pm Screw it, leap of faith.

sig aubergine

How is this a "leap of faith" if INH was the one making the case against sig in the first place (which he did piecemeal on his phone, if you will recall).

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:14 pm okay what the (f)

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

Note: I edited the profanity since it can trigger the filter at work.

Is this the reaction of a civilian witnessing the lynch of the first mafia member, or is this the reaction of someone upset that there weren't enough votes on a civilian sig to prevent Long Con from being lynched?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:20 pm sorry I missed the vote, my shower ran a little long and I had to leave immediately to avoid being late, good to see the other tribe is doing well.

Kylemii missed the vote entirely.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:21 am Looks like niju has been silenced. Not sure if powers go through the night of death, or if there is another silencer.

I also don't see a reason why we wouldn't try to lynch the same as last round. In fact, sig has seemed even more suspish since then. So, as aubergine and babaganoush are delicious, vote sig

Out for blood. Ready to lynch sig who had just been Night killed by her team. I think S~V~S should reevaluate Lorab's methods.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:39 pm We have too many Stubborn Stevens on this team lol

Note that on Day 6, Scotty and Sloonei were arguing with each other about which member of Strex to lynch. Yet:

Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:37 pm So... are we just going to forget the consensus we had around sig yesterday? Might not matter because colonialbob, but placing a continuation aubergine. Vote sig.

sig just got Night killed. A mafia member (Lorab) was still pushing to lynch sig. Boomslang was still pushing to lynch sig.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:19 pm Nothing sig has done has made me suspect him less, so, may as well throw a vote his direction.

sig aubergine

I thought we used to have a puking smiley face on here.

And Kylemii missed this vote too.

During Day 7, Cerberus found their inner strength and lynched Marmot.

Also of note (I won't quote it), Lorab made a Vocaroo post. This would be Wilgy targeting a teammate (which makes me wonder about INH being targeted).

JackofHearts didn't quote her, but he also made a Vocaroo post. I don't think it's meaningful.

Night 7, Lorab pushed her button, and the tribes switched up. JackofHearts was transplanted to Pikachu, and so it is unclear if he was killed before or after the shift.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:39 pm why does he HAVE to be LC's teammate?

I see why ou think he aws PROBABLY LC's teammate.
But I don't see why you think he MUST be LC's teammate.
Why can he not be on another bad team?

Becasue he spent all of that time and energy trying to lynch YOU instead of LC. Why the hell would a baddie from team A go balls to the walls to save a baddie from Team B? Either he's LC's teammate or he's not bad, imo.

I could be wrong there, but where the hell was everyone else all day when I was here by myself lol? Do you think DDL's vote in the LC vs Dom vs sig lynch does NOT look bad?

I wonder if INH (Evil Even) read this post and decided to go ham defending DrWilgy (Strex).

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:58 am I’m confused why suspicion seems to have moved away from DDL.

In answer to your questions ACS, I don’t remember why I was feeling good about Scotty. Just general tone I think. Daisy I have no idea. Blooper I’ve had suspicion of on and off. wilgy has also been Suspish, but keeps wilgying out of it. Sig I’ve been back and forth on all game.

Here, Lorab wanted suspicion back on DDL, even though S~V~S and speedchuck were just discussing him.

I truly do hate myself. This concludes Part I.

Never mind. I'm good.

Be back in a bit.

Well, I'm pissed.

Not a lot of talkers after the lynch?

The problem now is that we could have had a good Sloonei who could have opened things up, and now we have to start all over with Sloonei.

It's bogus that you went after Sloonei for that.

In Syndicate Mafia II, no civilian dominated the thread or took the lead. You bad guys did that. Civilians lost.

Dominating and leading is a civilian attitude. Not a mafia one.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:01 pm I don't think we're talking about the same thing

You dominated and lead the Day 15 phase. And to be honest, I don't think you were listening to anything anybody else had to say. It lead to a bad result.

That's my perception of it.

And this is coming from someone who dominated and guided the thread Day 15.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.

Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.

I don't agree with this method.

I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."

I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.

Is this to say you disapprove of the theory that has been dominating and guiding the thread for the last three phases?

This dominating and guiding the thread business is part of the problem. That makes people not part of the dominating and guiding clique feel unimportant. We are 20 some individuals, not a hive mind. We need to keep that in mind and not let us it others off if they don't agree with every aspect of heterodox thought.

If I can dominate and guide the thread, I will do so.

You don't win this game by making people feel important.

I think if S~V~S so vehemently disapproves with people stating "We know" this or "We know" that, she would have jumped on this Spacedaisy claim. Sloonei made it, and she went after him. Spacedaisy makes it. Now what?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.

Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.

I don't agree with this method.

I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."

I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.

Is this to say you disapprove of the theory that has been dominating and guiding the thread for the last three phases?

The theory is fine. The method is shit.

In any event, I'm sorry I wasn't able to put any time into this today. Work started back up and has resumed shaving minutes off my life.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:31 pm Let's say Sea Salt that you can only vote for one of the followng four Me Epi or Scotty. Who is it going to be? Because feel confdent that one of us s an Even and am not afrad of beng part of a four PoE pool because I know t's not me. I'd rather put my ass on the lne and get us movng n the rght direction than let the tinfoil lead us off trac. So who is it in your opinion yle?

SVS did I tae myself out of the group? No, I did not. Focus on this group and 'm certan we will get an Even.

Hell is Sea Salt?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.

Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.

I don't agree with this method.

I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."

I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.

6:55

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:55 pm fuck it

voting sloonei to tie it up, and to see how others react

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

6:58

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:58 pm Kyle is reading civ for me, Sloonei is reading more indie/possible baddie. Had to go with the one who's given me more reason for suspicion.

I don't think Sloonei has properly justified his "weirdness," IMO.

Big damn detective role right there.

I think lynching Sloonei right now is a bad move.

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

And Jesus take the wheel.

My suspicion of Sloonei has increased, but not to the extent that I would consider voting him today. Continuing to pound Strex (which may not exist anymore) is something a potentially remaining Even could do to stay...how do you say..."engaged." That's just not enough for me to vote for Sloonei today, and we have the luxury of giving him time to clear his name from being an Evil Even.

Now to consider where my vote will go.

This phase ends at an inconvenient time for me, and I've been unable to consider things carefully. I am cooking now and I have two deadlines tonight, one at 7:00pm EST and one at 7:05pm EST. So you can see why this is bad timing for me.

I'll do my best though.

This is the fishiest thing I've read all morning, and we're starting to study the period of literature during which Moby Dick was penned.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:24 pm LoRab's second post in this thread:

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:42 pm Hey, y'all. I'm heading home today, so should be back to somewhat normal mafia schedule. Voting Wilgy so I don't forget another vote. I've been reading the thread when I have time, and the points on him make sense.

Aubergine is conveniently a food I can eat during passover (which starts next Friday, so differently quirky schedule coming up soon).

All of her subsequent posts expressed a similar attitude toward wilgy. Strexcorp had decided he was expendable and they could bus him. It stands to reason any other hypothetical teammates would also be on board with this plan. And I'd add that this strategy suggests there were multiple partners remaining at the moment, meaning there'd still be at least one Strex left right now.

The first person I decided to look at was Dom because I don't care for him popping in here to say "yuck" to me and nothing else. I'm petty. Here's what I found:

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:22 pm I have suspected DDL, Nutella (now dead), LC (now dead), Speedchuck, and Epignosis.

Now that I'm interacting with Wilgy, I do see reason to vote for him, but it is sudden to me and it is strange that we are all voting Wilgy, but discussing speedchuck.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:22 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:12 pm Listen--

I'm always ready to be a slut for discussion.... but the amount of talk about someone we cannot lynch today and the blind bandwagon on another player makes me uneasy.

Daisy-- I saw that the case is mostly based on meta-- is that correct?

My suspicion of him is, others' suspicions of him are not.

I would say that I think ti's strange that wilgy has time to make a few joke posts but not enough time to do anything else-- replacement request or not.

I barely scanned the pikachu thread since I left it and saw he made a non-content post with a 0_o face. So... yeah... I don't like that.


What are the other cases against him? I have not read Cerberus from before I joined-- nor do I plan to.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:37 am

I'll vote Wilgy.

and so on

I did a search for LoRab and Dom interacting with one another and it turned up nothing substantial. A few indirect links and Dom thanking her for providing a thread summary in Cerberus.

I struggle to understand how the strategy of eliminating Wilgy from their team suggests how many people were on a given team at the start.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:46 pm Sloonei could be an Evil Even. No question there. He's compatible, and I think some of the evidence brought against him regarding his activity in the other thread is noteworthy.

Question for the field:

If you are LC's teammate in Cerberus, and you know he fucked up by naming your thread, what do you do?

I feel like me answering this would just create a giant mess.

I'm not an Evil Even.

I don't think you are. But I have to be fair if when it comes to the criteria by which I'm using to judge anybody else.

I approve.

If you were balancing this game, what might the sizes of the two mafia teams be?

3-4 each

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:46 pm Sloonei could be an Evil Even. No question there. He's compatible, and I think some of the evidence brought against him regarding his activity in the other thread is noteworthy.

Question for the field:

If you are LC's teammate in Cerberus, and you know he fucked up by naming your thread, what do you do?

I feel like me answering this would just create a giant mess.

I'm not an Evil Even.

I don't think you are. But I have to be fair if when it comes to the criteria by which I'm using to judge anybody else.