The Syndicate

A wild mafia MacDougall appears!

[VOTE: Turstworthy Liberal] aubergine

I'd lynch Trustworthy Liberal before I'd lynch Hyena. Hyena was Evenstar's preferred lynch Day 5. She also voted 112 instead of Dragomir Day 1. I think she's like me in that she prefers to keep her team in tact.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:52 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:47 pm This is the most ironic thing I see in Mafia all the time.

"Guys, nobody is kicking up any fuss that Player A is getting lynched. It must be an incorrect choice."

"Gosh, you're right. We should lynch somebody else."

Stale wagons are not always good things.

Maybe Rabbit is scum. But I'm not a fan of letting the thread sit quiet at EoD.
Yes, this is the same way I feel. Something is wrong. Maybe everyone is just working or is so apathetic they don't show up for EOD but when the thread is silent at EOD in my experience the lynch is wrong.
I mentioned earlier I had errands to run. I just got home and showered.

I feel like I've pulled my weight this Day phase.
casing and mislynching a town great work epi

I haven't gotten to you yet.

Someone talk about this please:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:31 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:22 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:11 pm Feel no matter what iaafr is the Lynch and not worth just dropping mu vote to but problum being I am going be afk from this point till EoD unless i get off early which is extremely unlikely.

At this point Iaafr I head wagon by alot unless you count the DEAD option.

Neutral can live one more day due to limitation's and a janitor flip would be amazing right now.

Janitor ia very unlikely within the original group so that's a reason to push epi/iaafr by I feel if iaafr was the janitor if they have points they would be getting a better defense so.

Also I feel Dom and Epi could be wolfs together based on their defense for one another just a possiblity I am starting to belive more and more.

Gonna end voting [VOTE: Dom] aubergine actually i think people are clearing of interactions way to fast
No way is Dom mafia.
And furthermore, this is astounding:

Three mafia members have been exposed. Three.

Are you telling me that the best you can come up with on Day 6 after three dead mafia is that you feel Dom and I (two living people) could be bad together because we're defending one another? Why not vote for me if we're teammates? I already have one vote. Dom had none.

And that tacked on line (if it means what I think it means) is crapping on effort without saying anything specific about it. That's the same thing Evenstar pulled.

Get out of the city. You're bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:47 pm This is the most ironic thing I see in Mafia all the time.

"Guys, nobody is kicking up any fuss that Player A is getting lynched. It must be an incorrect choice."

"Gosh, you're right. We should lynch somebody else."

Stale wagons are not always good things.

Maybe Rabbit is scum. But I'm not a fan of letting the thread sit quiet at EoD.
Yes, this is the same way I feel. Something is wrong. Maybe everyone is just working or is so apathetic they don't show up for EOD but when the thread is silent at EOD in my experience the lynch is wrong.

I mentioned earlier I had errands to run. I just got home and showered.

I feel like I've pulled my weight this Day phase.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:47 pm This is the most ironic thing I see in Mafia all the time.

"Guys, nobody is kicking up any fuss that Player A is getting lynched. It must be an incorrect choice."

"Gosh, you're right. We should lynch somebody else."

Stale wagons are not always good things.

Maybe Rabbit is scum. But I'm not a fan of letting the thread sit quiet at EoD.

I have no problem with getting people off their asses and doing things. I'm talking about something more specific.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:26 pm Like, we have LLD self-voting, Pawn spending the game sheeping reads then going MIA, Epi with a track record of refusing to vote for scum, Hyena and to a lesser extent Juliets volunteering martyrdom to protect Elephant...and we're sitting on a stale Rabbit lynch?
How do you know I haven't voted for a bad guy?
You know what I mean.

English teachers.
That isn't a question of language. That's a question of "Epignosis has a track record of voting for people who aren't dead yet" is not remotely the same thing as "Epignosis has a track record of refusing to vote for mafia." Two completely different things.
Semantics of a phrase is still a question of language. My meaning was or should have been understood - of the scum we have uncovered, you have a record of not voting for them.

I can English too.

I've had two chances to vote.

This is the most ironic thing I see in Mafia all the time.

"Guys, nobody is kicking up any fuss that Player A is getting lynched. It must be an incorrect choice."

"Gosh, you're right. We should lynch somebody else."

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:26 pm Like, we have LLD self-voting, Pawn spending the game sheeping reads then going MIA, Epi with a track record of refusing to vote for scum, Hyena and to a lesser extent Juliets volunteering martyrdom to protect Elephant...and we're sitting on a stale Rabbit lynch?
How do you know I haven't voted for a bad guy?
You know what I mean.

English teachers.

That isn't a question of language. That's a question of "Epignosis has a track record of voting for people who aren't dead yet" is not remotely the same thing as "Epignosis has a track record of refusing to vote for mafia." Two completely different things.

In the Day 2 thread, Evenstar effectively shit on my interrogation of iaafr.

This also indicates they are partners:

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:53 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:47 pm investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!
*blinks*

that

is significant

and says that 112 is almost certainly town

scum are not going to hard defend their godfather under these kinds of harsh anti-claim conditions

aight who pushed the idea of the Godfather first they scum

This is an over-the-top reaction if I've ever seen one.

I was the one who commented on the godfather being the most important mafia role.

I got shit for it from both of these two.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:17 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:55 pm radishes, who has been foremost pushing you on that logic

lmao
It's a good thing I checked rather than accepting this because it ain't, it's Epignosis.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:38 pm Now watch iaafr be bad if he's lynched or Hyena be good. I just have been a part of too many mislynches and that has shaken my confidence.

I will be stubborn.

I am trusting Michelle and will not be voting Pawn, Quin, or Dom. That much is clear. It was Day 5, and Michelle named four names. Those were three, and one was Elephant whom she called bad and was bad. That's four targets. I'm not overthinking it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:26 pm Like, we have LLD self-voting, Pawn spending the game sheeping reads then going MIA, Epi with a track record of refusing to vote for scum, Hyena and to a lesser extent Juliets volunteering martyrdom to protect Elephant...and we're sitting on a stale Rabbit lynch?

How do you know I haven't voted for a bad guy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:22 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:11 pm Feel no matter what iaafr is the Lynch and not worth just dropping mu vote to but problum being I am going be afk from this point till EoD unless i get off early which is extremely unlikely.

At this point Iaafr I head wagon by alot unless you count the DEAD option.

Neutral can live one more day due to limitation's and a janitor flip would be amazing right now.

Janitor ia very unlikely within the original group so that's a reason to push epi/iaafr by I feel if iaafr was the janitor if they have points they would be getting a better defense so.

Also I feel Dom and Epi could be wolfs together based on their defense for one another just a possiblity I am starting to belive more and more.

Gonna end voting [VOTE: Dom] aubergine actually i think people are clearing of interactions way to fast
No way is Dom mafia.

And furthermore, this is astounding:

Three mafia members have been exposed. Three.

Are you telling me that the best you can come up with on Day 6 after three dead mafia is that you feel Dom and I (two living people) could be bad together because we're defending one another? Why not vote for me if we're teammates? I already have one vote. Dom had none.

And that tacked on line (if it means what I think it means) is crapping on effort without saying anything specific about it. That's the same thing Evenstar pulled.

Get out of the city. You're bad.

TL's list of posts are blocked here.

I don't know that I'll have a chance to study them after I leave here given the errands I have to run.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:11 pm Feel no matter what iaafr is the Lynch and not worth just dropping mu vote to but problum being I am going be afk from this point till EoD unless i get off early which is extremely unlikely.

At this point Iaafr I head wagon by alot unless you count the DEAD option.

Neutral can live one more day due to limitation's and a janitor flip would be amazing right now.

Janitor ia very unlikely within the original group so that's a reason to push epi/iaafr by I feel if iaafr was the janitor if they have points they would be getting a better defense so.

Also I feel Dom and Epi could be wolfs together based on their defense for one another just a possiblity I am starting to belive more and more.

Gonna end voting [VOTE: Dom] aubergine actually i think people are clearing of interactions way to fast

No way is Dom mafia.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:40 pm Going through Elephant's posts from yesterday... he goes on and on about how vanity isn't the same as his town self, and it looks like nothing vanity does it right, and then takes a 90 degree turn and votes DFaraday because "he needs to be sorted".

Were you afraid to pull the trigger on vanity, El?

Sensible questioning here from LC.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:18 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:09 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
I've got an idea. How would you feel about lynching vanity or elephant, and then using the (maybe?) vig shot to kill Ty4on? That way, we get the info from people voting between vanity and elephant AND we get the other group's lynch killed to give them info.
Leashing the vigilante was a good idea in the championship where the role could be mafia-aligned, but leashing them here does not seem useful. I believe the vigilante was with us yesterday, or they couldn't have targetted DFaraday. If we want to be sure to not lynch the vigilante accidentally, the safe option is to lynch Ty4on or Nanook. I don't advocate the vigilante holstering, if mafia find out who they are, they will probably die in the night; but that decision is one the vigilante must make. That said,
Caught in the middle of crafting a "just right" response, Elephant?

I'm not sure I understand LC's grievance here, but okay.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:20 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?
Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".
Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?
Ask me tomorrow

If this is a teammate interaction, LC stops it before it ever has a chance to develop into anything useful. That's nice I suppose.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:49 pm I doubt I will move my vote. Elephant is someone I've had suspicion of for a while, Hyena is someone I've townread for a while... Pawn is a bit of a scumlean, but I have no real case to back that up right now.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:56 pm Note that Elephant is still one of the voters on himself. He could do a last-minute switch.

I'm not wild about the Day 4 vote for Trustworthy Liberal, but from the looks of it nobody was voting Elephant, so meh. Long Con looks like a natural accuser of Elephant.

++++

Marrying the above with my observations regarding Long Con and Dragomir, I think it's highly unlikely Long Con is mafia. Add to this that LC is a schemer: The same reasoning by which I defend myself vis-à-vis preserving the godfather applies to him equally.

ColinIsCool has zero mentions of Elephant, zero mentions of Dragomir, and one mention of Evenstar:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:39 pm Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?
No idea. She's my top townread.

But Rej had a juicy interaction with Evenstar Day 1:

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:46 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:56 am
Rej wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:31 am

Just skimmed again through million of posts and forgot half of the content.
I will just relax as I rly have a bad day today and I wasted my energy into carrying home the Cats/Dogs game with Novas and Speedchuck

Here some crappy GTH reads to satisfy your hunger:

Nutella - good
Michelle - good
Sprityo - good
the guy with the rabbit avatar - good
I have no clue who this guy is but this entrance instantly makes me hate him
You leave Rej alone he’s a nice person and I like his emojis.
thank you

Evenstar
2 options you really are scum and you just mention my obviously scummy behaviour to set up something going on against me
or you are a honest civillian who saw my bad play and simply questions me, but then still harshly puts a bad read on me because of a fucking D0 ISO.
Youu will be surprised, my D0 Iso really is bullshit.

So which option?

Michelle
I think you have some too high expectations of me, I didn't meant to cause confusion with bullcrap-reads.
I skimmed through and I still have 4 pages to read, but I highly think you are a civillian who is putting much effort into game.

I didn't sign up here to give my 100% effort and catch up 1000 posts twice each to ensure I got everything + doing ISOs.

I am glad I rolled a pedestrian role to hang up in the civillisation so don't mind me too much, I will try to play clean and fun.

Since my min effort + new faces I am not able to generate reads on wolves, feel free to slaughter me or integrate me into towncore.

I will go sleep for now and I will catch up alot tomorrow...rly alot I feel, anyway good night, and tag me if anything.

Rej expressed four quick draw opinions (two of which have proven correct) and Evenstar crapped on him right out of the gate.

In response, Rej spends a little too much time entertaining Evenstar's "accusation," going so far as to paint two conflicting scenarios and then puts the ball back in Evenstar's court. Evenstar has a few lazy "Rej is bad" comments. In my experience, teammate distancing doesn't look like this.

++++

I wasn't expecting to find much of anything studying these two, but what do you know? I did. I think it's unlikely that ColinIsCool is mafia.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:49 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:44 pm I actually think you are town because you seem so confident in actually believing what you're saying. But it's wrong and I implore you to do something useful.
More deflecting.
Deflecting from what? Give me something to answer.
She won't. Why are you still engaging her case if you feel it has no backing behind it?
I just want to get her to see some modicum of reason and/or get her to do something productive for the game. If she continues to refuse, she's probably scum. I had reason to think you two weren't actually scum together though.
I want everyone to see this so I'll tag everyone.

Mere posts after calling me town, now it's conditional on me finding them town. If I dont find them town, theyll think I'm scum.

Hilarious backtrack from a position they accidentally put themselves in and can't find their way out of.

Further, they disconnnected Eva and I. Wanna know why? If Eva flips town and is lynched today, Nutella plans to try and lynch me tomorrow because "one of us is scum but not both guess I got the wrong one whoops"

classic scum chaining lynches.

This is the nail in the coffin. Everyone needs to see this backpedal into flail.

Peering through the swamp that is in this post, I detect a faint glimmer of something useful.

If Eva flips town and is lynched today, Nutella plans to try and lynch me tomorrow because "one of us is scum but not both guess I got the wrong one whoops"

If LLD is mafia, she already knows Evenstar is bad. The question is if I think that, in the midst of all this outpouring of rage trying to have nutella's head, was LLD calculated enough in the moment to include this bit of double-reverse psychology chicanery? Or is it a genuine thought? I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:33 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm @Master Radishes
@sprityo
@Evenstar

Were ya’ll alone in limbo yesterday? And if so, what happened? And if not, same question.
Yeah. Open votes, no maj. We did our backs and forths, but Sprit only popped in last few minutes, voted me, I voted Eva because obviously, and Eva switched from voting Sprit to me at :00.

It was fun and dramatic.

People need to believe me on her now, though.
I'll give you Eva later if you give me Nutella now

Does this come from an Evenstar teammate?

++++

I'm not going to quote the more unpleasant posts regarding nutella. I've reread them though. Others can do the same if they wish. The reasons I believe LLD isn't on a team are unfortunate, but they exist.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:36 am Elephant's mafia and is just going to slip by to the end somehow, calling it now.

Well, 112 was half right.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 am actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Okay.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:12 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:53 am From my interaction with Master Radishes, where Benson butted in, I have Benson as town if Radishes is town, and Radishes leans town on me. @Master Radishes was not perfectly certain of Benson's alignment, but much in the past 12 hours has revolved around Benson. Nutella observed Benson and 112 scumreading each other, and somehow concluded that it probably made one of 112, Benson, and Radishes not town. If that is true, 112 is scum. Iaafr townread 112 and Benson, and scumread nutella, but iaafr's reads are very flexible, and iaafr also has very high confidence in Benson, and I am suspicious of that. I can see iaafr as scum in this constellation. Epignosis had a slow start, and asserted more authority later on, townreading nutella and attacking iaafr's scumread of her. Epignosis plays intransparently, and I can see that playstyle as a cover for powerwolfing; excepting six players from lynch today without accompanying town reads strikes me as a bold but efficient possibility to protect his wolf buddies.
Getting the puzzle of these six players to line up correctly establishes a much needed town core. My current layout is Benson, Master Radishes, and nutella as town, and 112, iaafr, and Epignosis as uncertain scum. I need to research 112, a lot depends on them.

I also have Juliets, Hyena, and Creature as provisional town, but don't see them as connected as the others. I would love to see @Hyena and @Creature evaluate each other directly.
It's really bad practice to say at least one of MR, Benson and I have to be mafia based on early-game inklings and banter.

Much does depend on me, yes.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:10 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:52 am I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?
Why is this of such immediate importance?

Dragomir named at least two teammates in this "shocked" reaction (Evenstar & Elephant).

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:08 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:02 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:02 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:56 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:17 am
This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?
@112
they're probably all town and connected by the interconnectivity of the universe.
[VOTE: 112] aubergine
It probably comes as no surprise to you that I am not particularly happy with the level of thought that you display in this answer.
idgaf
I was literally about to type up a post about you that essentially said 'regardless of alignment, 112 is playing as if they dgaf.'
to be honest i'm still feeling off after the trip

like, more awakened than off, but it's still affecting how much time/energy i'm spending on the game. i've been only in thought for a few days.

Elephant made an attempt to pressure 112 into talking and 112 brushed him off like he was poisonous dandruff.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:47 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:17 pm apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod
You could've talked to Jack?

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:15 pm holy moly this 112 wagon

and i have v read everyone from it at least once this game!
I just looked through the 112 ISO. Their strategy appears to be to scum-read players, and then to pocket them by flipping to a townread. I see this done on nutella, iaafr, Benson, MacDougall, maybe others. The only straight town-read without a negging is vanity. Evenstar calls 112 out on pocketing at one point, and 112's reaction is a bit strange. #406
why is my reaction there strange?

This likewise moves the needle in 112's favor.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:18 am I would like to kill Long Con more than I would like to kill elephant. Long Con is more classically scummy in my opinion.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:51 pm @Long Con
@Quin

Did ya’ll miss me? I haven’t seen you since I got back. Gimmie some #content.
Soonish. I'll give you my catchup hot takes, still reading up. Epignosis - Evenstar took a turn when Epi decided she's not scum but is actually town, for the Four Reasons. I was seeing Ep as the Civ side of things there, but this turnaround could be a calculated pocketing ploy. LLD and Eva voting nutella is not that cool, nutella has looked very town over the days, and the timing of Eva's vote wasn't the best. 112 maybe sketchy. Michelle maybe sketchy.
This is a very reserved style of writing and the post seems to follow a checklist.
112 captures part of the spirit here

i think ive said this w.r.t nut, perhaps incorrectly, but i dont feel a town undercurrent with long con's thoughts. on elephant, individually, i'm torn. i'd rahter kill long con than elephant.
very good post. thank you.

Only quoting this to show that iaafr wanted to lynch Long Con instead of Elephant.

++++

I have the opposite take on 112 that I do for Hyena. The content looks clean and favorable for 112, but plopping a vote on Trustworthy Liberal both Day 1 and Day 5 when 112 has already expressed suspicion of Elephant multiple times is a cop out. 112 should talk about that.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:13 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:10 pm I'm back, can someone point me to the case on Trustworthy Liberal? I see he or she is taking votes currently. I see I've been pinged, I'll get to those.
his iso

I mean, come on.

Hyena's interactions with Elephant start out fun and free and result in this:

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:39 amI like elephant.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:41 pm Master Radishes, why are you messing with my friend Elephant? :[ That's not allowed right now.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:45 pm So, here's the deal. I'm betting that there's one scum on the Evenstar wagon [Texas, sprityo, Quin, Michelle] and that there's another scum on the nutella wagon [Evenstar, Nanook, LLD].

I'm reading Eva and Nanook town at the moment, and I didn't like the circumstances in which LLD voted for nutella, so let's call her scum. On the Evenstar wagon, I'm cool with Sprityo, and don't know about anyone else. Based on how my convo with Michelle is going though, I'm probably going to call her scum, too. I'm probably going to vote between those two right now, and maybe Tony as a backup third option.

I'm not lynching Evenstar, nutella, or Elephant today.

Also, TL is probably town in spite of him calling me scum.

Ouch.

In the end, Hyena voted Dragomir in a messy End of Day 1. Okay.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:58 pm Secondly,

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:38 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:36 pm gotta take a ~20 minutes pause

hopefully I don't miss the deadline again
If you do miss it, I will make it my personal mission to lynch you D3 if we're both alive.
I'm going to postpone this mission of mine.

Since it seems that we won't be joining the others all at once, I feel more inclined to resolve Vanity and Elephant today if possible. I had hoped I'd be able to go after some of the people in the other people today, but if we're stuck with this group, I'd rather move forward knowing at least one of their alignments.

This post I like. This was Day 3 following an ugly boo lynch (which I still don't understand) that Hyena helped with. What I'm seeing in this post that points to Hyena being a civilian is the resolve to lynch vanity or Elephant. While it is unfortunate that vanity went before Elephant, Hyena made good on his inclination to get Elephant lynched directly after.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 pm Elephant, it might just be me but you seem a tad more... overwhelmed(???) today with everyone back? Like, I don't feel like you're trying to have as much influence over the thread as you did the past couple days, whereas nutella is still, like, consistently showing her presence here.

Given how conflicted Hyena was about nutella (he spent several posts reviewing her), this reaction exists almost as an epiphany, as it were.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:03 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:02 pmoh shi... o:
Sup man?
You never bantered with me. >:[
This is kinda banter
True. I really do think Elephant is town. Between Nutella and Elephant, I'd always lynch Nutella. TLib is probably the Vig considering how much he's talked about how the Vig might not be able to shoot anymore.

I don't understand this post though. How do you go from "we need to lynch vanity / Elephant" to "vanity is dead, cool, Elephant is good. I'd rather lynch nutella."

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:19 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:18 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:15 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:14 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:13 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 pm

This is kinda banter
True. I really do think Elephant is town. Between Nutella and Elephant, I'd always lynch Nutella. TLib is probably the Vig considering how much he's talked about how the Vig might not be able to shoot anymore.
LLD had every chance to make the same accusation towards Nutella the previous day as she did earlier today. I literally spent a dozen posts showing evidence that Nutella was flip flopping between Elephant and Vanity. LLD said she was busy, but... like... I dunno what to make of that? All I know is that she could have made a huge impact the previous day in our group.
Iaafr is making chaos just like me. I'm comfy calling him town. Evenstar could go either way, but bias is telling me she's town, too.
I will say that Master Radishes seemed like he was trying to make a point about Evenstar. I didn't really read it, but I sensed frustration from him. A towny kind.
Radishes is never ever town for very good reasons that I hope you consider tomorrow if you live
Okay, I'll pay more attention to him tomorrow. There were just more interesting people to poke and prod at.

I think this particular interaction looks good for Hyena.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:54 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:51 pm I can't be voting hyena any harder than I already am :/
If I flip town, can you promise me Elephant won't get lynched tomorrow?
Like, I want lynched who people think would clear the other. I don't want you guys to chain lynch us one after the other.

Hyena should answer for this. I don't understand the mindset behind it.

In the end, Hyena voted Elephant, but I have no idea why.

++++

In summary, the voting record looks good. The content is messy and confusing. That's probably a good thing. I think Hyena should address the bits of confusion so I can form a clearer opinion.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:33 am You can take my name off the list cause I can’t be lynched anyhow.

At this stage, it's critical to determine those that should probably not be lynched under any circumstances.

Dom - As I said previously, I'd wager money Dom is good, and Michelle called him good.

Quin - Michelle called him good.

Pawn - If I had to lynch one of Michelle's three good guys, it'd be Pawn, but I don't have to, so there. Michelle called him good.

juliets - I maintain my Day 1 stance regarding juliets.

Epignosis - I include myself on this list to comment again on why it would be a mistake to lynch me. I understand the suspicion- I get it. However, if you ultimately choose to vote for me, you will have to do so believing all of these things:

Spoiler: show

You need to reconcile those four points before you vote for me.

++++

That leaves the following eleven.

112
Hyena
iaafr
Jackofhearts2005
Lady Lambdadelta
Long Con
MacDougall
Master Radishes
ColinIsCool
sprityo
Trustworthy Liberal

I will try to whittle this list down further before the deadline.

Damn, I'm dumb. I've been questioning whether there are five or six mafia involved. But the first page says:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:19 pm The roles listed below appear in the game in some capacity.

Janitor
Role Cop
Godfather
Strongman
Roleblocker
Vanilla

If I'm reading this correctly, it can only mean there are six mafia members, which means there are three remaining: Janitor, Strongman, and Vanilla.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:16 am
Iaafr i do see where your coming from not alot of resistance to your lynch which makes me feel you are likely not scum Town reading Mac and he would be your partner if you were.

How much resistance would you expect from a largely decimated mafia faction?

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:47 am i guess hats off to eva for apparently spewing me as her partner to NOOBS

You were happy to accept the bullshit she said about you and you let everybody buy it.

That makes you complicit.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:46 am
epig/pawn compatible as well?

No.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:16 am If we're saying there's a wolf in Epi/Rabbit, I lean towards Epi. I can't quite get over how subtly but firmly he was saying 'no' to lynching Eva, how he apparently did the same for Elephant (I still haven't checked to verify), and how he was on the 112 wagon in D1. He's not actually found any scum at all so far, despite looking like he's doing a lot of work to do so.

"Looking like."

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:28 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:09 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:08 am Too easy, Rob.

Did I move my vote?
No.
The more you fret about me the less I trust you.
I fret because you (Mac, LC, Dom) make obvious intellectual mistakes that blow my mind.

Stop making those.

Do not lynch me and go "Fuck. That shouldn't have happened."

But that's exactly what will happen if you let it.
Sounds like you're calling me stupid. That's a bit mean.

Very smart people make mistakes. I'm not calling you anything.

LLC! Ha. I'm used to typing LC. I meant LLD.

Lynch: iaafr, LLC, Hyena more or less in that order.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:11 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:37 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:11 pm I can't convince you.

my final reads today because I may sleep at Eod
Elephant lock scum
scum leans LLD, Hyena

town: Quin, Pawn, Dom
town leans: Nutella, Jack.Eve, Epi
I am almost prepared to accept this as gospel and move on.

It's clear to me that the mafia assumed Michelle was the alignment checker.
Let's start here.

Quin, Pawn and Dom off the table.

I realize that isn't helpful, but it is to me.

Assuming Michelle was the alignment checker, then she used her "leans" to show those she had no info on but had an opinion on based on what she checked.

It aligns nicely, I must say. I'm following this.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:11 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:29 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:26 pm I don’t know if I’ve seen a single Hyena post but in my catch-up a few pages back there’s a lot of talk there. Bullet points?
My lean is that if iaafr is bad (and I believe he is), Hyena is bad too.

That last phase looked staged the more I look at it.
I gotta say the Hyena posts where they “re-interpret” everything or whatever gave me a weird feeling in this direction.

I agree.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:37 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:11 pm I can't convince you.

my final reads today because I may sleep at Eod
Elephant lock scum
scum leans LLD, Hyena

town: Quin, Pawn, Dom
town leans: Nutella, Jack.Eve, Epi
I am almost prepared to accept this as gospel and move on.

It's clear to me that the mafia assumed Michelle was the alignment checker.

Let's start here.

Quin, Pawn and Dom off the table.

I realize that isn't helpful, but it is to me.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:08 am Too easy, Rob.

Did I move my vote?
No.
The more you fret about me the less I trust you.

I fret because you (Mac, LC, Dom) make obvious intellectual mistakes that blow my mind.

Stop making those.

Do not lynch me and go "Fuck. That shouldn't have happened."

But that's exactly what will happen if you let it.

No, I'm not fucking this up. YOU are.

Dom, Mac, Long Con:

Don't fuck this up because you want to be pedantic.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:52 pm To answer your question though, I skirted the question because I'm a civilian. Why should I entertain it further?
I expect a civilian to be honest about the nature of the question, you know? The mathy deflection is fun and clever, but not honest.

And my feelings, of course, weren't hurt. I was just taken aback. I'm not being a Clown.

So...I'm not honest because I used math?

Get out of here.

To answer your question though, I skirted the question because I'm a civilian. Why should I entertain it further?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:49 pm Jesus. I don't think my question is comparable to Mac's many posts. Why you gotta hurt my feelings? I can't ask you a question?

I apologize for hurting your feelings. I was being big man. Big man pounds chest. See? Boom boom boom.

Seriously, didn't mean anything by what I said.

Colin, why are you on Radishes?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:45 pm You know what's shit. The current state of society in general.

Agreed.

Face it: Neither of you clowns are going to lynch me. That's you MacDougall (Clown 1) and Long Con (Clown 2). It isn't going to happen.

So you two should play to your win conditions. If your goal is to win as a civilian, then figure out if I'm wrong about iaafr.

If you're bad, keep doing what you're doing.

Ooh, nasty faces from Mac. I'm scared. Bitch please.

I "skirt" implications because I can and because they're shit.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:20 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:17 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:29 pm If iaafr and pawn are civs, then I think Epi is much more likely to be bad.
Agreed
Empty thing to say. That literally applies to anyone.
Ok, why do you skirt the implication here, that this is an inference drawn from thread interactions? Dom's not doing math here, he's making connections in other ways. I know I don't have to explain this to you.

Still empty language.

Make people explain shit.

Don't let them say obvious shit and move on.

That said, Dom is not my enemy. But I don't let my friends say empty shit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:35 pm I think iaafr is the right choice. I'm not moving.
New King of Fuck Mountain over here.

I take it you disagree. Why?

I think iaafr is the right choice. I'm not moving.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:22 pm If ColinIsCool and MacDougall are civilians, then Dom is much more likely to be bad.

Duh.
I don't understand. Did I miss something or is this because of something that happened in the dream levels.

There are ten players.

Two of them are bad.

One says "If Charles is lynched and is shown to be good, then Dave is much more likely to be bad."

That's an obvious thing to say. It's simple math.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:26 pm I don’t know if I’ve seen a single Hyena post but in my catch-up a few pages back there’s a lot of talk there. Bullet points?

My lean is that if iaafr is bad (and I believe he is), Hyena is bad too.

That last phase looked staged the more I look at it.

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