The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:I meant for future games. Voting people becasue a baddie voted for the same person they did after them.

I know what you meant. People aren't here. People aren't paying attention. People won't remember this moment in Mafia history.

A precedent cannot be set on a thing people won't remember.

And that, as I have relayed, is not the only reason I am voting for you. sabie12 is not a typical bad guy. She was a NEW bad guy with no idea what to do.

Come on. There's no precedent there.

S~V~S wrote:This is a reallllllllyyyyy bad precedent to set. Really bad.

This is a speed game full of people who aren't paying attention.

There won't be any precedent.

S~V~S wrote:And i can't help what Sabie did. Next time a baddie follows YOUR vote in a game, Epi, I will point this out.

Have I used too many adverbs?

One adverb is often too many.

You may notice, that, despite my devil-may-care demeanor, I have not actually voted for you. Unfortunately, you continue to carry on as though the world is dead set against you. Pardon me.

(I hope everyone is reading my posts as a debonair southern gentleman from New Orleans in the 1920s)

S~V~S wrote:You have "read enough"? What exactly does that mean?

I believe the madam means that she has used her literary skills to a satisfactory extent, and that, at this juncture, no further analysis of the written word is required at this time.

S~V~S wrote:but I DO know who I think YOU are.

Goodness gracious, that sure is a relief.

S~V~S wrote: Linki, lol, no. I don't have a kill this game. If I did I would not kill you first since I killed you first last time I had a kill. Llama had to write it as he did, or you would be revealed as Mr Boddy, IMO. I really think you are he. But I had nothing to do with the kill attempt on you.

Why, of course you do. Two things:

You are more interested in taking out a non-killing independent rather than killers.

You claimed there was a 1 in 13 chance of me being that independent.

The way the kill and resurrection was written does NOT gel with Boddy's description.

I presented a large post of my thoughts on the non-sabie12 voters. Rather than examine that, you go ahead and try to vote me, even though you can't.

And you should've known you couldn't vote me, since you welcomed me back and in that same resurrection post was the note that says I couldn't be voted for.

A very green sabie12 followed YOUR vote when she was confused.

My, my, I do apologize. That exceeded two things.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:So Epi, do you advocate voting SVS over a low-poster/vote-misser?

Cause I found myself agreeng with your earlier notion that a teammate maybe found among the Day 0/Day 1 low-posters.

I'm thinking it over.

Worried about how it will make you look when I flip civ?

I voted for MR for the exact reason I said, his early vote. Which is a fairly awesome reason for day one. And Mr Boddy attempted to direct my vote today. I said no way, and he published info about my role in the thread. Personally, I think Epi could be Mr Boddy, but I could be wrong. That died/survived thing along with Llamas not saying how non-kills would be portrayed makes me think that.

So i am going to vote Epi.

No. I never worry about how I look. But how I smell? Now that's a completely similar matter.

S~V~S wrote:No wait, lol, I can't. Time to reread.

And huh.

lol indeed.

Is there something in the "Boddy" role description that says "Will be resurrected upon his first kill?" or "Won't be able to be voted for if someone tries to kill him?"

You wanted me out so badly, you tried to kill me, and now, after surviving a kill from the mob, you want to vote for me, but you can't. But why didn't you know that? Is it because you are not as invested in this game? Poor sabie12 could have used a teammate who was invested. Maybe she thought she had one when she voted MR.

Even if all of this is circumstantial, the fact that you are willing to vote an independent without a kill rather than try to take out Mafia smells most foul.

You dun goofed.

There are two killers out of twelve. Let's go with what we know: sabie12 is still quite new and this is her first time being bad. She did, however, have civilian BTSC her first game. That means she has not played a game where she was without support of some kind.

But sabie12 apparently has a pair of teammates who are absent / not invested / busy in real life / not helpful to her. She was not coached into voting for MR without saying why, I venture to say.

Exempting those who voted for her (there could have been "under the bus" business, but at this stage I am not entertaining that, since to lose a member means losing a kill), these are the possibilities as I presently see them:

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kevin committed the same peccadillo as sabie12. He voted without posting. No explanation. Even stranger, Boogs voted the same way, right after, with no explanation (and having never mentioned Mongoose at all). This was right after sabie12 had three votes. Having posted only once, I could see kevin being an unhelpful teammate to sabie12.

The counterpoint to this observation is that, were kevin and/or Boogs trying to save sabie12, they were ineffective at it, as MR had two votes already.

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Mongoose missing the vote is bizarre, as I have already noted.

However, I cannot imagine Mongoose being leaving a teammate to flounder, especially a new person. Also, I have led lynches against Mongoose for bizarre behavior when she was innocent. Not a counterpoint as much as a pair of misgivings, but there you are.

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Canucklehead also missed the vote. She has said very little, having only two on-topic Day posts, and both reference something I said. Her activity fits in well with the absent teammate.

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kpence voted for himself. That also fits in with the unhelpful teammate.

The counterpoint is that kpence voted for himself.

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Finally, S~V~S for reasons I raised. I'll let her provide the counterpoint.

Mister Rearranger wrote:So Epi, do you advocate voting SVS over a low-poster/vote-misser?

Cause I found myself agreeng with your earlier notion that a teammate maybe found among the Day 0/Day 1 low-posters.

I'm thinking it over.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yes, it does. But a 6 in 7 chance of being good, and I am in fact good.

I would advise all civvies to not allow yourselves to be blackmailed. You have nothing to hide, just like i had nothing to hide.

Weeeelllll...more on this.

I am currently busy in the Dr. Who Memorial Library. I shall meet you in the Billiards room momentarily.

Gee we're playing in two games together and you are making moves at me in two games

I can stop if it's making you uncomfortable.

S~V~S wrote:Of all night powers, one of the ones I like least (when I am targeted by it) is the vote force. I love Llamas mechanism for allowing it to be circumvented. There was nothing Mr Boddy could possibly know about me to make me anything other than a civvie, so i had no fear of what he might say.

thellama73 wrote: Mr. Boddy
Can blackmail someone each night, threatening to reveal info about their role unless they vote as he directs. Survives the first attempt on his life.

I am curious about the wording here. We have had one Night. Are you implying that you refused to vote as Mr. Boddy directed on Day 1, or that you told him you wouldn't vote the way he wants for Day 2?

Either way, that Day 1 vote looked questionable to me.

S~V~S wrote:I don't want to cote for any nubs on Day One~ I do not want to go random either. I think I am going to vote MR for voting Epi so early.

You did not want to vote for any new people on Day 1...okay, but hold on:

S~V~S wrote:I also have to make a quick decision, since I am not a fan of random.

Not a fan of random, but you voted MR for voting me so early. MR only voted me 94 minutes before you voted. What this implies is that the criteria for your vote was in fact random. Anyone could have voted for me first.

What I find especially noteworthy is that sabie12 voted alongside you right after. She did so without posting. Eventually she came back and said this:

sabie12 wrote:Honestly I have no idea what's going on because I'm out and I just had to vote.

Of all the people on the list, all fourteen people, why MR? Why would someone who, for her first time being bad, follow your vote?

S~V~S wrote:Yes, it does. But a 6 in 7 chance of being good, and I am in fact good.

I would advise all civvies to not allow yourselves to be blackmailed. You have nothing to hide, just like i had nothing to hide.

Weeeelllll...more on this.

I am currently busy in the Dr. Who Memorial Library. I shall meet you in the Billiards room momentarily.

S~V~S wrote:Goodbye, Hello Epi

This highly raises the odds of you being trustworthy. While it is possible that you are Mr. Boddy, it is only 1 in 13 or so, which is pretty slim.

Also Mr Boddy, I do indeed have a male role, and do not respond well to blackmail Make of THAT what you will

Indeed. It also means that you have a 1 in 7 chance of being bad.

Naughty, naughty, naughty sir.

Having been bad in the last two games, and having witnessed it both times from my teammates, I am willing to bet that Mafia didn't vote on Day 1. Although anyone could miss a vote for legitimate reasons, I've seen it far too often that Mafia miss a vote on purpose. So I would be looking at a missed vote followed by a reaction that belies the missed vote.

This, for example:

Mongoose wrote:WTF we had a lynch vote??

Mongoose posted seven times during Day 1, participating in a discussion of potentially suspicious behavior. Incidentally, two of those seven posts are ambivalent comments about missing voters. What I don't understand is that Mongoose voted in the Day 0 poll and voted in the Night 1 poll, but comes back later expressing shock that we had a lynch vote. What else would we have had between Day 0 and Night 1- a Parcheesi tournament?

Canucklehead wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am going to look like a total skeez for saying this, but sabie WAS my top suspect. I held my vote just in case, and then once it was safe, I voted elsewhere.

Why?

Why am I going to look like a total skeez or why did I vote elsewhere?

If the latter, two reasons:

First, rather than waste my vote on a foregone conclusion, I chose to put pressure on different suspect, however slight that pressure may be. Second, with sabie turning up bad, my last minute vote for her could have been construed as a vote to gain credibility by turning on a teammate. And we wouldn't want that, would we?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am going to look like a total skeez for saying this, but sabie WAS my top suspect. I held my vote just in case, and then once it was safe, I voted elsewhere.

What do you think of my analysis of Blooper then?

I read it twice. Frankly, I am more interested to see what she has to say about it.

I am going to look like a total skeez for saying this, but sabie WAS my top suspect. I held my vote just in case, and then once it was safe, I voted elsewhere.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yay! Awesome and unusual result for day one

Not unusual result when I'm around.

What the hell, old man? You voted for kpence. Get out of here.

Does that change what I said?

No, I'm just messing with you.

I'm just glad I don't have to lynch you. I was beginning to feel bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yay! Awesome and unusual result for day one

Not unusual result when I'm around.

What the hell, old man? You voted for kpence. Get out of here.

Does that change what I said?

S~V~S wrote:Yay! Awesome and unusual result for day one

Not unusual result when I'm around.

nijuukyugou wrote:

BRAVO, YE TENTACLED QUEEN OF THE DERPS.

I voted kpence. Get it together.

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Mongoose has two votes.

14,568,966,101,599.011568546514684

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, about 5 minutes to vote left... and Sabie is gone. Why the hell wouldn't she at least say SOMETHING? I know she's relatively new, but I've never seen her do this yet.

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She posted in other games.

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Ha, you posted the same number twice.

Has it occurred to you that I might be doing that on purpose? Thank you for intervening, host.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, about 5 minutes to vote left... and Sabie is gone. Why the hell wouldn't she at least say SOMETHING? I know she's relatively new, but I've never seen her do this yet.

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She posted in other games.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote: True. Now I want two explanations. In less than ten minutes.

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Me too, haha. This is seriously the strangest Day 1 I've participated in for quite some time.

(also, yay 50)

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I also feel like I have to use my vote to save myself (familiar place, yeah Alex?).

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:sabie's in here, too. Perhaps she is explaining herself as we speak?

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She's actually been in here since I originally said I was going to give her 5-10 minutes to explain herself, and it has been that long. I'm still waiting, but I won't wait much longer.

And I realize my vote is predicated on WIFOM... but considering I was heavily contemplating randomizing, it's all I got.

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Shit I forgot my number!

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do people think of Blooper?

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She's a talented baker (but not as good as Eloh), she's funny (but not as funny as Eloh), she's pretty (but not as pretty as Eloh), she puts up with my bullshit (but not as much as Eloh), and she teaches British literature (okay Eloh blows at that one).

Not voting either of those ladies.

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LOL.

Why are you not voting for them? And which knocker seems most suspicious or are you unsure?

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kpence for giving you a shot at redemption. He would have been better off not posting at all. It isn't difficult. And he caught his mistake within a minute of making it. And now he votes himself. And since then has nothing else to add to the discussion. Prior to that, he had not posted either.

Unlike others, I assume that people come into here knowing how to play the game and read our documents. When I visit another forum, I read their founding documents.

And a self-vote is not an accident. Read the title: "Who shall be the first Little Indian to go?" Unless you are Cherokee and visiting your former allies in France, you don't vote for yourself.

Horse shit.

What fucking number are we at?

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So you think he sabotaged on purpose then?

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I don't know man.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do people think of Blooper?

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She's a talented baker (but not as good as Eloh), she's funny (but not as funny as Eloh), she's pretty (but not as pretty as Eloh), she puts up with my bullshit (but not as much as Eloh), and she teaches British literature (okay Eloh blows at that one).

Not voting either of those ladies.

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LOL.

Why are you not voting for them? And which knocker seems most suspicious or are you unsure?

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kpence for giving you a shot at redemption. He would have been better off not posting at all. It isn't difficult. And he caught his mistake within a minute of making it. And now he votes himself. And since then has nothing else to add to the discussion. Prior to that, he had not posted either.

Unlike others, I assume that people come into here knowing how to play the game and read our documents. When I visit another forum, I read their founding documents.

And a self-vote is not an accident. Read the title: "Who shall be the first Little Indian to go?" Unless you are Cherokee and visiting your former allies in France, you don't vote for yourself.

Horse shit.

What fucking number are we at?

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MovingPictures07 wrote:What do people think of Blooper?

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She's a talented baker (but not as good as Eloh), she's funny (but not as funny as Eloh), she's pretty (but not as pretty as Eloh), she puts up with my bullshit (but not as much as Eloh), and she teaches British literature (okay Eloh blows at that one).

Not voting either of those ladies.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:What does Epig have to say about MR? And why hasn't he explained which knocker he finds most suspicious (or did I miss this)?

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Because I had other shit to do. Like record my daughter dancing to Echolyn.

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Fuck kpence.

Welcome kpence. I hope you enjoy your time at The Syndicate!

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Boogs wrote:I can finally answer lol. We are both on the same contest team, if it wasnt obvious from the polls.
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Thanks for clearing that up Boogs.

What do you think of MP messing up his team's post count? Suspicious or genuine mistake?

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Hedgeowl wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Well hey, I can finally post.

Epignosis wrote:

Boogs wrote:Mp we have to work together, sockalicious one.
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Are the two of you on a team?

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Funny, I was just about to ask you the same question Vis-à-vis MP...

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This seems like a purposely obtuse question since all we've talking about is team knockers.

Check the poll and you can easily see who is working "together" today.

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You know, you're absolutely right. I didn't notice that. How ignorant of me. I would never pose an obtuse question for the purpose of staying on topic and increasing our post count.

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If you HAD to decide on a knocker who was bad, who would be your choice and why?

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Boogs wrote:Mp we have to work together, sockalicious one.
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Are the two of you on a team?

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not waiting on an answer from somebody; I just was trying to make a point that Epig's analysis, while interesting and logical, could be flawed since there were two players who missed the vote, and we don't know whether neither, one, or both are baddies, therefore in the last scenario only living one other baddie to "spread" their vote.

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Then, if you would like to place you weight on that last scenario, you are welcome to do so, and vote one of the two who missed the vote. Is that what you would like to do? If not, then how is my thinking flawed?

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I didn't say it IS flawed; I just said it could be flawed, you could be incorrect. Given what little we know at this stage in the game, I don't see anything particularly illogical with your theory, though I doubt I'll be using it to cast my vote.

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Of course it could be flawed. Did I say my thinking was perfect? Empty statement.

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Tee hee.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not waiting on an answer from somebody; I just was trying to make a point that Epig's analysis, while interesting and logical, could be flawed since there were two players who missed the vote, and we don't know whether neither, one, or both are baddies, therefore in the last scenario only living one other baddie to "spread" their vote.

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Then, if you would like to place you weight on that last scenario, you are welcome to do so, and vote one of the two who missed the vote. Is that what you would like to do? If not, then how is my thinking flawed?

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nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Damn all of you. Fuck up your numbers already!

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You misunderstand your beautiful purpose in this design.

Your purpose in this tripartite event is to keep posting as long as I am awake. When I crap out, you may go to sleep. Instead of working tomorrow, take off and continue to post. I will ensure that the Knockers pull out a W.

A tempting suggestion (the day off, not the helping). I'll just post during the useless totally useful meeting during my incredibly necessary completely disposable planning period tomorrow. By then I might be up to double digits!



MP, what question are you waiting on for an answer?

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Who are you suspicious of?

And by the way, the meeting thing won't help, since I'll be in there with you.

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nijuukyugou wrote:Damn all of you. Fuck up your numbers already!

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You misunderstand your beautiful purpose in this design.

Your purpose in this tripartite event is to keep posting as long as I am awake. When I crap out, you may go to sleep. Instead of working tomorrow, take off and continue to post. I will ensure that the Knockers pull out a W.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Epi I never saw your explanation of why you would go after the knockers. Of the door that is. Not mine...hehe.

It's here on this page.

MovingPictures07 wrote:You're saying you're confident both people who missed the vote aren't bad?

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No. I am saying you ask empty questions, and empty questions make me want to vote for the asking party.

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It's not an empty question if you don't know the answer.

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When the answer is "yes" to "could" the question is almost assuredly an empty one.

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Elohcin wrote:Epi I never saw your explanation of why you would go after the knockers. Of the door that is. Not mine...hehe.

It's here on this page.

MovingPictures07 wrote:You're saying you're confident both people who missed the vote aren't bad?

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No. I am saying you ask empty questions, and empty questions make me want to vote for the asking party.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:My only point was that it could throw a wrench into your analysis.

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It doesn't.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:The non-voters probably didn't know the game had started.

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But couldn't a baddie have missed the vote?

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Yeah, I think a Mafia member could have miss a vote. What the hell does this question accomplish?

"No, MP- a mafia member could NOT have possibly missed the vote because the two people who missed the vote could NOT possibly be bad."

I keep warning you about these empty statements and questions.

Addendum: Thank ye Mongoose.

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Well, I like epic knockers. What can I say?

Seriously, I already answered this question. Also, I feel sorry for you nijuu.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am narrowing my suspicion to the group the voted "knock."

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Can you elaborate?

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Yes. The man with info on the poll is not bad, so we know the killers have no info on the poll. I think it is now no secret the purpose of this poll. Therefore, I think the killers would have spread out. Examining the group that voted the same way I did is my way of narrowing my focus (and, of course, exempting myself).

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I am narrowing my suspicion to the group the voted "knock."

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S~V~S wrote:Llamas discipline has frightened us all away

Now that's just elephant talk.

Elohcin wrote:We ought to get clue Epi, I bet the kid would like it.

We have three children. Where have you hidden the bodies of the other two.

I suggest it was Mrs. Scarlet in the library with the rope.