The Syndicate

RainyDay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:36 pm Hello, all! This is my first game here. Here's hoping I don't die N1. And also hoping I didn't jinx it with that. What's the etiquette on this forum for that kinda thing?

Rainy has only two posts, and this is the first.

I'm don't know Rainy, but I am going to go out on a limb here and call the wording of this one post genuine.

The most useful thing to do at this point, I suppose, would be to ask what we would be doing if Rej was not on the poll.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:42 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:08 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:44 pmi'm bored.
e4
you sunk my battleship

All right. You got me. I laughed.

Re: Girl Genius (Day 1) Dom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:44 pmi'm bored. e4

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:44 pmi'm bored.

e4

To be more precise, I'm looking for something in a somewhat similar vein of this exchange:

Rej: Can someone sum up things for me?
Andre 3000: Man, ain't but four pages. Get yo lazy ass on and read them things yo self.
Rej: Andre 3000 is not a civilian. Lynch him.

People lynch Andre 3000

Dead Andre 3000: Damn, damn, damn , damn (trumpet plays).

Civilians rejoice: "Hooray! Scholarships and candy for Rej! And a plate of yams with extra syrup!"

Okay, so this is a "bait post" now:

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:11 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:40 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:33 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:20 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?
It's only 4 pages to read...
I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".
It's literally all the help I can offer, as I haven't read them.

I skimmed through and I had hard times getting reads, so my question, was my civillian way of getting either a short summary or get other reactions out.
A bad guy here would take the most convienient answer to my question just to show activity.

Here, Rej acknowledges that his question could have been "bait."

The key here is thus:

Provide a short summary = Civilian
Give a convenient answer to show activity = Mafia

Forgive me Rej, but does that actually work? You indicate that it does:

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:46 pm So again a civillian, especially one who hasn't cought up himself is telling me to read it myself. I still think it was timmer's convenient way in bringing his own DP forward to look like civillian. I tend to never townread people like him and it's often correct.

I almost never do this, because usually I don't care, but maybe this time it's worth it:

Rej, can you cite other scenarios in which this specific variety of "bait" caught bad guys?

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:46 pm
Timmer had a wagon of 3 votes on him, while I was offline the "wagon" got change on me. It was again opportunistic same as when he gave his convenient answer to my summary question. Would a civillian do that? I just had my eyes open and I am convinced I cought a bad guy. While timmer is playing opportunistic and turned everything against me.

timmer didn't do a thing to move votes from him to you. I moved mine to Creature for instance.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:19 pm I don't know what to think about Drag.

I figured you of all people would know what to think about drag.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:57 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:41 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:24 pm

Sloonei thoughts?
Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.
I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )
I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).
I got it we’re good

At the other one- I will try to kill Sloonei early when I am scum because I am now permanently scared of him.

To further the point to Dom, if scum wants to kill Sloonei on average early, the town does not want to kill Sloonei on average early
idk what i even did to you, i am harmless
you’re scary

When I'm bad, I might leave him alive to toy with him.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:53 pm oooh we use expected value in mafia these days?
the mathematician in me just freaked. :#

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:42 pmwhat is ~EV?

Negative expected value.

It's an investing term. In a nutshell as it relates to Mafia, what I mean is that lynching Sloonei Day 1 will be a big net loss long term because he's an active, thoughtful participant, but he is also one that I find is more easily sorted as things play out. Let him live early (unless something obvious happens), but feel free to put him through the wringer at any point. I hope that makes sense.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:37 pm As I've said often, lynching Sloonei Day 1 is -EV.
I’m going for this route next time I’m scum I think I’m gonna have a slight vendetta for a while.

How do you mean?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 pm I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.
Sloonei thoughts?
Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.
I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).

As I've said often, lynching Sloonei Day 1 is -EV.

I'm going to move over to Creature for now. See how that feels.

Timmer was cool as a cucumber after garnering the votes he did. I have to think about that. It's been a while for me with him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 pm I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.
Sloonei thoughts?

Oh I'm sorry. I thought you were asking Sloonei for thoughts about me.

Spoiler: show

Wayward quote tags.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 pm I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.
Sure.
I think the "fellow civillian" line was suspicious in its own right. What do you think? For me, it was very...

Fixed your image.

I don't know. It could be more like:

In all seriousness, the thing that grosses me out over that isn't "fellow civilian," but rather the existence of the quotation marks.

The entire exchange doesn't add up, and if timmer is innocent, Rej tipped his hand there.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 pm I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.
Sure.
I think the "fellow civillian" line was suspicious in its own right. What do you think? For me, it was very...

Fixed your image.

I don't know. It could be more like:

In all seriousness, the thing that grosses me out over that isn't "fellow civilian," but rather the existence of the quotation marks.

The entire exchange doesn't add up, and if timmer is innocent, Rej tipped his hand there.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:02 am lynch

Oh boy this is a fun thing for my autocorrect to have jumped on
This feels awkward. It could be a neutral thing, but in my mind, it still warrants a vote.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

I don't understand this vote.

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

This Baltimore pitcher has pegged the home plate umpire. Twice.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:41 pm it has been very hard to read this thread while also watching the red sox bang dingers against the yankees.

I'm telling you, I don't know what it is, but Boston has Masahiro Tanaka's number.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:36 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:55 pm And Epig, I'd like to hear a reply from you about my response to your "why did he comment on that?" case, please.
It's late and I'm having bourbon and watching Mike Trout.

Can you simplify your question please?
Me no read Day 0.
Day 1 start.
1 post made.
Me read that.
Me comment on that.

You.
Why he comment on that.

Now you go.
Where at now.

Oh. The timing thing. I find it mildly suspicious still, but it's circumstantial. The conversation it generate in the very least was worth something.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:55 pm And Epig, I'd like to hear a reply from you about my response to your "why did he comment on that?" case, please.

It's late and I'm having bourbon and watching Mike Trout.

Can you simplify your question please?

Whee.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:24 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:07 pm @Creature why are you voting TonyStarkPrime? yout vote gave me sheepy vibes
is there a reason why you wanna get a big wagon running? why so eager?
I voted TonyStarkPrime for reactions.

Big wagons cause more infospreading because it puts someone in spotlight, making that person squirm more while also making others need to justify their stances around said person.

I doubt you'll be making Tony squirm.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:15 pm i mean, is that the only reason? I would like to hear more on why the vote...

I have no reason except what I posted. Do I need anything further to vote in the beginning of Day 1?

Why are you worried about my timmer vote? Your vote is there too.

Rej wrote:why you voting timmer now, you just pointed out he and me could be team mates

I've got a vote on timmer.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:27 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:53 am Stop handing out underserved civ cards. Treat it like a scholarship, not candy. Only give it to the best ppl.
What is a "deserved civ card," who gets to hand them out, and who gets to determine what is deserved and who is the best?

And what makes a scholarship more valuable than candy?

So many questions.

Most importantly is this one: Why does it bother you that people are calling other people civilians so fast?
A deserved town read is one where the recipient has shown qualities of a townie. There's solid reasons supporting why they're town.

Anybody can hand them out.

This is a stupid question. Scholarships gives you opportunities, candies give you fat.

It bothers me because, they supported by nothing. Comes off as TMI. If you're joking then that's cool, if you're not then why the town read.

So to you, there's no utility in watching a mafia member squirm as he or she attempts to change a previous civilian opinion into a mafia opinion? There's no benefit to going back after a mafia member gets lynched and seeing whom that person called a civilian?

Okie doke mate.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:35 pmThis is a stupid question. Scholarships gives you opportunities, candies give you fat.

And Willy Wonka would beg to differ.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:17 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:07 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:59 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:18 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:07 pm Also I labelled you as bad from your first post, what do you think about that?
You are mistaken. What did you see you thought was bad?
Hmm we'll see. I'm not really sure, I guess I felt something was off about your usual opening post. It felt kind of cold and distant rather than welcoming. A replica instead of the genuine thing. The heavy punctuation I think lol.
Nova, are you sure you're not thinking of some other post? This was my first post of the game (below). It has two periods and two commas. Is that heavy punctuation?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:28 pm hi everyone, I'm here. Happy to see some friendly faces and welcome to the newcomers, I hope you enjoy the game.

That's the one! No mistake, it's you. I guess heavy punctuation might be an exaggeration, but the cold and distant feeling are still there. Maybe it's the lack of exclamation point lol. Gut feeling was that it is fabricated, I'm not getting your usual energy and enthusiasm. Feels like you're just replicating it to keep up with your usual opening posts.
You're nitpicking.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:13 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:08 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:03 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:49 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:53 am Stop handing out underserved civ cards. Treat it like a scholarship, not candy. Only give it to the best ppl.
No. Throw out town reads like candy. See how everyone responds to there being candy in the area. Then throw out more candy.
No. Throw out scum reads like rocks. See how everyone responds to there being rocks flying in the area. Then throw out more rocks and aim better.
Why make giving town reads painful?
Rocks refers to scum reads.
Oh. That's not enough then.

Throw scum reads like a spear. See how everyone responds to a spear being thrown at them. If they try to dodge or deflect them, the person is scum. If they take it like a man, they're town. Then throw out more spears, this time with better aim so the remaining scum don't dodge or deflect them again.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:07 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:59 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:18 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:07 pm Also I labelled you as bad from your first post, what do you think about that?
You are mistaken. What did you see you thought was bad?
Hmm we'll see. I'm not really sure, I guess I felt something was off about your usual opening post. It felt kind of cold and distant rather than welcoming. A replica instead of the genuine thing. The heavy punctuation I think lol.
Nova, are you sure you're not thinking of some other post? This was my first post of the game (below). It has two periods and two commas. Is that heavy punctuation?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:28 pm hi everyone, I'm here. Happy to see some friendly faces and welcome to the newcomers, I hope you enjoy the game.

That's the one! No mistake, it's you. I guess heavy punctuation might be an exaggeration, but the cold and distant feeling are still there. Maybe it's the lack of exclamation point lol. Gut feeling was that it is fabricated, I'm not getting your usual energy and enthusiasm. Feels like you're just replicating it to keep up with your usual opening posts.

This is all horseshit.

timmer's last post before this one quoted below was over three hours prior:

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

That's 3:19pm EST.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:20 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?
It's only 4 pages to read...

That's 3:20pm EST.

Of all the things timmer could have commented on in that window, why that?

And then the punchline:

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:33 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:20 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?
It's only 4 pages to read...
I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:34 pm [VOTE: timmer] aubergine

This reeks of a teammate interaction to me.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:53 am Stop handing out underserved civ cards. Treat it like a scholarship, not candy. Only give it to the best ppl.

What is a "deserved civ card," who gets to hand them out, and who gets to determine what is deserved and who is the best?

And what makes a scholarship more valuable than candy?

So many questions.

Most importantly is this one: Why does it bother you that people are calling other people civilians so fast?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:26 am Epi and Mac are still just messing around which is normal, but I'm expecting some weird ass shit from one of them soon.

Why just one?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:42 pm Also-- why didn't anyone like my sonnet? I haven't played in a while and I WANT ATTENTION!

I noted it, but your iambs need work.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:03 pm I hate it when I shave and miss a spot.
MAybe that is the spot that you would have cut yourself and gotten an infection and died.

Infections better not fuck with my body. I probably have something that will eat it up.

I hate it when I shave and miss a spot.

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