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Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.
Sure beats being full of shit.keys56000000000 wrote:Please do so, I'm curious to hear if you have any actual substance to go with your bravado or if you are, as I suspect, an empty shell of a pseudo-intellectual.Epignosis wrote:I could teach a lesson on irony using this post alone.keys56000000000 wrote:If players vote for Chris based on this poor lynchtrain case, without offering much else, then yeah, that's lazy. That's not an ad hominem, because it's not something irrelevant to a case I'm making. The case I'm making is that some players are lazy, therefore it is apt to call them lazy. And I'm being sarcastic when I call this Chris lynchmob "eggheads". It's designed to mock their poor case. Again, not an ad hominem. I really think an English teacher of all people would know the difference, maybe you're just not a very good teacher.Dom wrote:You beat me to it.Epignosis wrote:keys56000000000 wrote:...where ad hominems are used ...keys56000000000 wrote:with lazy players... Later, eggheads.
Dom, do you ever have an original thought? Or do you just piggy-back on others all the time?
I could teach a lesson on irony using this post alone.keys56000000000 wrote:If players vote for Chris based on this poor lynchtrain case, without offering much else, then yeah, that's lazy. That's not an ad hominem, because it's not something irrelevant to a case I'm making. The case I'm making is that some players are lazy, therefore it is apt to call them lazy. And I'm being sarcastic when I call this Chris lynchmob "eggheads". It's designed to mock their poor case. Again, not an ad hominem. I really think an English teacher of all people would know the difference, maybe you're just not a very good teacher.Dom wrote:You beat me to it.Epignosis wrote:keys56000000000 wrote:...where ad hominems are used ...keys56000000000 wrote:with lazy players... Later, eggheads.
Dom, do you ever have an original thought? Or do you just piggy-back on others all the time?
keys56000000000 wrote:...where ad hominems are used ...
keys56000000000 wrote:with lazy players... Later, eggheads.
Chris wrote:I went for Epig without much reason other than I was tired of hearing about the lie detector shit, and he was acting differently enough for me to vote him just to end it. It wasn't a great reason, but I also didn't care who was lynched between the two of them.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 430#p90430Chris wrote:We were all set to lynch Epig, let's do that. If you still think that I'm bad after that, then lynch me.
Your entire rationale for voting Ep1:Chris wrote:I'll reiterate, just because I suspect someone, even if that someone is a civvie, it doesn't mean I'm bad.
That's a double standard. The courtesy you expect to be extended to you is one you don't extend to others.Chris wrote:Changed my vote.
*votes Epignosis*
I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.
MM & I were the only people getting talked about that last Day. Nobody else took more than one vote. Plus, like I told Dom, votes can be changed. Voting order is less relevant given these points.keys56000000000 wrote:That's a pretty reasonable conclusion there, Epignosis. But I don't know about your logic re: Chris. So it was 2 - 2 and Chris made it 3 - 2? What if it was 2 - 1, wouldn't Chris want to make it 2 - 2? I agree that The Master probably did vote for you in an attempt to save his only teammate, but it could have been any of those voters. There was a lot of momentum against MM, The Master would have been anticipating his lynch.
All that said, Bass at vote 19 stands out to me.
You can change your vote, so if someone else started taking more votes than me, no biggie. Looking back over the votes, that Day when it was Made and Snow Dog taking votes, Enrique voted Snowy second. So it happens.Dom wrote:While this is certainly possible, Epig, why don't you think it was one of the later voters? I understand that you're looking at Chris being the Master because he survived 2 NKs, but do you think it would make sense for the Master to vote for you later rather than sooner given how close it was? I'm looking at Chris for the same reason as I think you are, but I am unsure why you think the master would vote so early for you.Epignosis wrote:Chris voted for me when MM and I had two votes. I am of the opinion that The Master voted to keep his recruit from getting lynched.MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, weird result.
Epig, good point regarding Elo. That would be a weird distancing vote.
Chris, I haven't ignored this; I've been really busy. Over the next week or so I might not be able to respond to posts quickly at all.Chris wrote:Wut? Where did you get that from?MovingPictures07 wrote:Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith only have a percentage chance to survive NKs at that.
Anyway, read Sarah Jane's role. It CLEARLY says "if she is targeted by a hostile alien life form, there is a 50% chance that nothing will happen."
Also, Capt. Jack I've mostly decoded, but even undecoded his role gives a similar hint "he is extremely difficult to kill. Sometimes."
So, yeah. Last I checked there aren't any protections this game.
After you've now survived two kills,
Actually, your whole "MP is the Cyber Controller" theory from earlier might make sense if you are the Cyber Controller. We all know that baddies tend to talk about their own roles.
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Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%
Chris voted for me when MM and I had two votes. I am of the opinion that The Master voted to keep his recruit from getting lynched.MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, weird result.
Epig, good point regarding Elo. That would be a weird distancing vote.
Chris, I haven't ignored this; I've been really busy. Over the next week or so I might not be able to respond to posts quickly at all.Chris wrote:Wut? Where did you get that from?MovingPictures07 wrote:Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith only have a percentage chance to survive NKs at that.
Anyway, read Sarah Jane's role. It CLEARLY says "if she is targeted by a hostile alien life form, there is a 50% chance that nothing will happen."
Also, Capt. Jack I've mostly decoded, but even undecoded his role gives a similar hint "he is extremely difficult to kill. Sometimes."
So, yeah. Last I checked there aren't any protections this game.
After you've now survived two kills,
Actually, your whole "MP is the Cyber Controller" theory from earlier might make sense if you are the Cyber Controller. We all know that baddies tend to talk about their own roles.
Eloh voted MM second to last though. And the reasoning she gave for doing it could hardly be considered distancing:MovingPictures07 wrote:I forgot, Elo should be added to this list too.MovingPictures07 wrote:
I would like to find The Master though, so I think we should pay attention to people surviving kills (yes, I realize I did, but I also explained how I did, due to my prize), particularly those who say they don't know how they survived. At the moment, this would be BR.
Even though she said she knows how she survived... it's interesting to note now several facts:
1) Daisy and Dana were vouching for each other for quite some time, hard.
2) The Master killed Daisy last night.
3) Metalmarsh, who is now revealed to be Lucy Saxon, was gunning after Dana hard, after abandoning it for a few cycles.
4) Guess who else said Dana was "bad, bad, bad"? Elo.
Elohcin wrote:I didn't say I thought you were "not very civ" that is twisting words a bit. I said I thought Epi seems more civ than you. Meaning, I am more sure that Epi is civ than I am sure that you are.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why do you think I am not very civ? And why wouldn't a vote for Dana be a better alternative?Elohcin wrote:I know this is not the best way to go about this, but I am voting for the person I think is least civ rather than more suspicious. *votes MM*
Linki....I still think Dana is bad bad bad too.
As for Dana, why would I vote her when my vote would be meaningless?
Read the roles. He was recruited by The Master.S~V~S wrote:I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.
And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.
Well done.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I disagree?Epignosis wrote:Excellent.
Roxy wrote:Epi - you would have been ballsy enough to tip your hand and then use wifom for defense. You are a role checker or the role checker is on your team.
And why wouldn't they have checked Made or Enrique since both have been topic for discussion for some time now. That way they would know how to play it. You decided for a balls to the wall approach - which is pure Epi.
I'm ballsy enough to use WIFOM as my defense (I didn't. I used something called "math")- but I'm too scared to utter a statement for a lie detector? Bullshit.Roxy wrote:Epi - you could just say you aren't a robot for the lie detector, like zeek suggested but you didn't why?
Besides your refutation was not adequate - and if you are civ you would know "adequate " just doesn't cut it. give the lie detector something to check....
Chris check metalmarshs post he has been the only one lately working on them.
Who assigned specific roles? This is something Roxy has accused me of but has not produced a shred of evidence to show it. In fact, I asked her where I did:Roxy wrote:I am sorry to not have been here sooner we had a dinner to attend and it ran longer than I expected. DP took care of MPATHG for me so I could vote then relax some.
So much of Made is this role Enrique is this role - how can anyone act so certain as to assign specific roles before the lynch is even over? I guess I am not smart enough to be able to place people in particular roles this early in a game. I guess a rolechecker could though
That said I feel better about voting Made over Enrique just bc Made is acting differently this game. I am not sure I should trust Epi quite yet and after his replacing in I have no ideas where his allegience may lie. Ergo I don't want to trust a case made by someone I can't yet trust.
*votes Made*
She said I claimed a role for Enrique. I didn't. She never answered my question. I know why she didn't. She can't.Epignosis wrote:Oh? What role was that?Roxy wrote:I am voting Enrique. If he shows as the role Epi said then I will be voting Epi until either him or me is dead.
Said it again, but can't show it.Roxy wrote:Epi 2 put him into a role and did not stop there he put Made into a role too. Yet you are ignoring those facts.
She never said what role I said he'd flip (because I didn't have that information), but:Roxy wrote:I am voting Enrique. If he shows as the role Epi said then I will be voting Epi until either him or me is dead.
That's a lack of conviction if I ever saw one. The case is stronger? What case? Hers? The one where I need role checker to kick ass? Sorry, I rock with a team or without one.Roxy wrote:I will prob vote epi
Mostly bc I feel the case is stronger than Metal or MP. Besides I really feel MP is civ this game. he has that indignant quality to his posts.
I recruited one.Roxy wrote:Oh I am sure you will live Epi - didn't you recruit players for this game too?
I probably am.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Then I hope you are laughing as much as I am right now?Epignosis wrote:Because I am uncertain about my alignment and would like to indicate that in a humorous manner?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why the question mark?Epignosis wrote:I disagree?MovingPictures07 wrote:It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.Roxy wrote:It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
You got it:Hedgeowl wrote:can you tell me where you suggested it? Searching dalek and emperor was useless so far in your posts.Epignosis wrote:Because I suggested it and people believe everything I say.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is totally baseless though -- what reason do we even have to think Made is Emperor Dalek?S~V~S wrote:It makes lots of sense, actually.Gotrees wrote:Good point. I suppose in that sense a save could still potentially make sense.Long Con wrote:I would think Made, if he were Emperor Dalek, would still not want to be lynched, and thus exposed as that role to the more suspicious of us. A save of him to keep his cover makes sense.
Made still hasn't voted against Enrique.
I hope I live. I would like to expose you.Roxy wrote:Or MM is civ/secret role/Master and Epi is still CyberMovingPictures07 wrote:It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.Roxy wrote:It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
Because I am uncertain about my alignment and would like to indicate that in a humorous manner?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why the question mark?Epignosis wrote:I disagree?MovingPictures07 wrote:It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.Roxy wrote:It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
I disagree?MovingPictures07 wrote:It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.Roxy wrote:It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
I believe it was me first.Hedgeowl wrote:Ok see this is the stuff i am finding curious post made/enrique. What made you think they were connected sabie. I need to keep reading back before this, but i am wondering.sabie12 wrote:Its a tough call btwn made and enrique. Theyve both survived nks under mysterious circumstances and Im thinking they might be connected. My vote is currently going to Enrique because I feel that voting him or made will finally find us a baddie. Looks like we are close to a tie so it may not matter which I choose anyway. Also sorry the typing is so atrocious. Im on my tablet.
I voted Mm for now since i didnt want to run out of time. i am trying to find if Epi was the first perosn to bring up a made/enri connection or if others were discussing it first.
No hard feelings sir.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm moving my vote to Epi. No hard feelings mate, but I don't want to be lynched.
NEVER!S~V~S wrote:Were you to occasionally play it OUR way, you might get a civ win or two. Just saying :whistle:
My endgame strategy is to have fun. And I am accomplishing that. The only full game I have ever won was my very first here, and I was evil. So I amuse myself whenever possible.Long Con wrote:The vote is already justified, you made sure of that with your sly not-quite-LD-statement. I don't know what your endgame is for a "strategy" like that.Epignosis wrote:Say what you like to justify your vote if/when I flip. I play the game my way. Always.Long Con wrote:If you're gonna use sketchy language on purpose to get people's suspicions up to prove some point, then you getting lynched for it kind of makes you look foolish. There were so many ways to have ended this differently. "I'm not a baddie" instead of Sketchy McSketchersons.Epignosis wrote:On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
Say what you like to justify your vote if/when I flip. I play the game my way. Always.Long Con wrote:If you're gonna use sketchy language on purpose to get people's suspicions up to prove some point, then you getting lynched for it kind of makes you look foolish. There were so many ways to have ended this differently. "I'm not a baddie" instead of Sketchy McSketchersons.Epignosis wrote:On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
And, if I may offer a compliment, I respect you for that.S~V~S wrote:Epi doesn't believe in "playing like a civvie". This is the only thing he's said in this game that has given me pause since he replaced back in. But it isn't enough to change my mind, I will risk looking foolish~ I do it with class & styleMovingPictures07 wrote:If you are a civvie, for god's sake, save yourself.Epignosis wrote:On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
Now, gotta go for real, BBL folks.
On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).
Guess we'll see.
Spoken like a drunken caveman.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I going to go ahead a vote Epig
I don't want people to read your posts. They're threats to my existence.Roxy wrote:If you don't mind I would rather people read MY posts to know why I voted foryou not a carefully worded post you made.
Unusual answer from you inre: sabie.
Epignosis wrote:I see you suspect me as a Cyberman, Roxy.
I have been gunning for Enrique since the beginning. And I had Made pegged as Enrique's teammate for some time (since this post, if you want to know). A couple other posts reinforced that view, and even after I died, I still kept up. Unlike what you are accusing me of, I don't reveal all of my cards before the flop. I often bide my time on a given suspicion and see how things will play out. Now given that much, with Enrique's lynch and Made's lynch so close, I observed that Enrique voted quickly for Made, but Made refrained from voting for Enrique. A civilian with no BTSC would vote to save himself (except Ep1). Under the impression that they were teammates, that refusal to vote for Enrique made things clearer.
Let's assume your theory, that I am now a robot (well...I was a robot but never mind) is true, and that I had info on Enrique and Made. This means that in three nights, the robot role checker would have had to have checked BOTH Made and Enrique, the latter of whom Ep1 happened to openly suspect- hard. My domain is language, not mathematics, but accounting for deaths and the fact that they wouldn't check their own crew, I estimate that the chance of both checks happening by Day 4 is 4.2%. Of course, that doesn't account for role blocks or the panoply of human interaction over the Internet. Finally, your theory means that I would have had to be willing to tip my hand to accomplish something that would happen without my intervention.
Which scenario is more likely?
She didn't vote for me, so she's doing better than you regardless of what she's read or hasn't read.Roxy wrote:Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.
Nah. I'm more of a phone sex kinda guy.S~V~S wrote:I think most people are thinking you are a cyber kinda guy.
...Roxy wrote:Epii - can you quote and link where you said this robot statement?
You already have a title. You're just not allowed to see it.birdwithteeth11 wrote:So when do I get a title? You should get on that and give me something funny/creative. You slacker. :P
Obviously, see what the other mods think. I feel more dashing!MovingPictures07 wrote:Duly noted. I just was playing around to see if I liked certain colors better.Epignosis wrote:I liked it. Do it again. Yellow sucks.MovingPictures07 wrote:I was just messing around with the color scheme.Epignosis wrote:I am writing a post, but why was I purple a second ago?
Also, the kids are in bed, so I'm finishing my post.
Looking forward to it.
I liked it. Do it again. Yellow sucks.MovingPictures07 wrote:I was just messing around with the color scheme.Epignosis wrote:I am writing a post, but why was I purple a second ago?
I spent this afternoon writing my lie detector defense, dealing with children, and helping with cakes. I have not finished the post I started. And now I'm watching 2 hours of TV. I have 48 hours in a Day. And it's the weekend. No hurries and no worries.MovingPictures07 wrote:That's a lot of confidence coming from someone who hasn't named a single suspect since voting for Enrique early on D5, as far as I can remember.Epignosis wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't know how I feel about Epig 2.0 at the moment. I am a bit worried that we haven't seen much in the way of baddie hunting from him, and I could VERY easily see him as a Cyberman, but the LD statement stuff doesn't really convince me. I suppose I could see why people would vote for him, but I just don't feel there's enough thread evidence.I'll leave the baddie hunting to you. I'm too busy lynching them.MovingPictures07 wrote: and I don't like how we're seeing very little baddie hunting from Epig 2.0. So that's why I'm considering him as a candidate.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't know how I feel about Epig 2.0 at the moment. I am a bit worried that we haven't seen much in the way of baddie hunting from him, and I could VERY easily see him as a Cyberman, but the LD statement stuff doesn't really convince me. I suppose I could see why people would vote for him, but I just don't feel there's enough thread evidence.
I'll leave the baddie hunting to you. I'm too busy lynching them.MovingPictures07 wrote: and I don't like how we're seeing very little baddie hunting from Epig 2.0. So that's why I'm considering him as a candidate.
I actually did say it, but you don't read my posts.S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote for Epignosis now~ I might change it to Metalmarsh, but for now, it is Epi. Gee, the insanified zeek was around for two more whole hours. He probable did not want to bring it up again during the night cause he was afraid he'd be killed, poor bastard
And I agree, this use of the LD DOES suck, but again, the cat is out of the bag. We don't like it, but it is what it is. You can say all these noble things, but I do think that you are not willing to say you are not a robot because you are one. In this life.
I am not a robot. Five easy words to type. And an LD can detect a sentence said at any time, not just at night. He detects at night, but the statement can be made any time.
When I made my statement, I noted that it's difficult to find a statement you're allowed to check. Some hosts do not allow "I am not a baddie" to be checked, for example. Furthermore, I have not seen a single minute of Dr. Who. I know that in my previous incarnation, I was a robotic canine. No way in hell was I about to research each of the characters to see if they were androids or some other non-biological entity. And are Daleks robots? I don't know. Three of them look like robots, but the Dalek Sec sure as hell doesn't. Is the Dalek Sec what those things look like underneath their armor? "I am not a robot" is a flawed statement from my perspective. Therefore, I crafted what I considered to be the most comprehensive sentence. In retrospect, I could have used a different verb tense in my statement to provide it the airtight nature Long Con was looking for, but I didn't. Sorry.juliets wrote:Epi I am looking forward to whatever you have for us this afternoon and I'm inclined right now to think you are civ. What I don't understand is why in hell you just don't make the robot statement so all of us can put that behind us. As a civ, do you really want us to spend so much time on that one issue? SVS said maybe you are possibly saying "I am what I am"; I just think you are being plain ole' stubborn. Or, you're not civ and there's a reason why you don't want to make that statement, a reason that I cannot see when I read your original statement about role-checking. I guess there is the possibility that you are civ and don't want to make that statement but I don't see any robots in the civ characters. I have to say the whole thing causes me some uneasiness because it could so easily be dispensed with.
Second, if you will consider the context of my statement, you may note that zeek did not ask me what he did out of the blue. He asked me because Roxy was under the impression that I had info. Nope- just paying good attention. When I phrased my statement, I was conscious of Roxy's suspicion. I had her in the forefront of my mind when I made it (even if she didn't notice it 
). Third, zeek was around after I made my statement. He even posted to tell us that he's awesome at code cracking, that there are no lynch stops, and that there's not one single capote (thank God for that). It would not have been difficult for him to express dissatisfaction with my sentence; that he did not in the span of two hours leads me to believe that my statement satisfied him. Finally, zeek asking me to make another statement during the Day (i.e., when he wasn't insane) wouldn't be useful until the next Night (since lie detectors don't detect during the Day). 
That's because the sex sucks.Black Rock wrote:It looks like I have super powers, LC is going to so jealous when he gets home and I show him how I can walk through walls. So very jealous.
I already wrote it. In the future.keys56000000000 wrote:Don' you have a sci-fi book to write? Post your pennies or get off the pot, tease!Epignosis wrote:Look for mistakes in the hosts' poll. Shit, I got to vote Enrique four,five times.keys56000000000 wrote:*clicks Submit Vote harder*
Look for mistakes in the hosts' poll. Shit, I got to vote Enrique four,five times.keys56000000000 wrote:*clicks Submit Vote harder*
Must have been a small someone.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Black Rock had someone slipped through the Dalek's grasp, and she hadn't even been aware of it!
