The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:Less than two hours to go and only three votes in? Come on guys, you can do better.

Made wrote:Imo, dh is right here. Speculating on who would and wouldn't kills elo is probably the wrong question. Perhaps a better question, a least a less (albeit slightly less) wifom question would be why kill elo?

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

That sounds terrifying.

For whom?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

That's another hard sell. I don't see a BTSC-Active SVS allowing an Eloh kill, but getting into the rabbit hole of "Would SVS be complicit in an Eloh kill" doesn't make sense to me. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, maybe she would just because we don't think she would, maybe she had no say, maybe this maybe that.

I wasn't selling. I was asking.

Now I'll sell you something: I'm good.

Granting that, who would kill Elohcin instead of me Day 1?

That's an impossible question. I'd do it, Just about any combination of players would.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

That's another hard sell. I don't see a BTSC-Active SVS allowing an Eloh kill, but getting into the rabbit hole of "Would SVS be complicit in an Eloh kill" doesn't make sense to me. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, maybe she would just because we don't think she would, maybe she had no say, maybe this maybe that.

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

That sounds terrifying.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:At this stage, I'm voting Made.

I see no reason to wait.

Why not Cookie?

Saberfish wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Saberfish, how many times have you played Mafia, both online and real life?

First time online. I haven't played with people in person in like a year or more.

Roxy wrote:Been listening to Jimi Hendrix and was thinking about next Christmas I bet you can play Stone Free or Crosstown Traffic for me on my next cd, right? I mean your Little Wing cover is fucking fantasic.

I appreciate that! It was my first time doing the vocals. When we would do it live back in the day, we would do the SRV version (instrumental).

Roxy wrote:My response is purple
Ok but I totes disagree with your assessment. It could be you who killed Elo for the wifom and to be able to point out a theory that only involves newbs. It could have been any of us tbf and imo.

Roxy wrote:Epi - Your entire list is of new players - except Timmer. Why? And why Timmer? Also I doubt very srsly that llama did not rand roles and put all newbs in a baddie group together. Unless you know something I don't - are we not supposed to random roles in every game we host? (maybe one or two tweaks tops?)

S~V~S wrote:I am not a fan of fixing bad formatting. Leaving it in all it's awful glory reminds people to be more careful when formatting And what possible malicious thing could be gong on?

I have been out all day, and am leaving again shortly. Will do my best to be well read

I posted my concern in the mod area. If you didn't see the original post, it wasn't mere bad formatting. It had part of the post appearing where the avatar should be.

That ain't normal 'round here.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Mod hat on: I investigated G-Man's post. I'm the only moderator online, and I wanted to make sure nothing malicious was going on. It appears to be something amiss with the spoiler tag. If the mod on duty or the host would edit G-Man's post to remove the first spoiler start tag and the last end quote tag, it should fix the formatting issue.

I won't do so, however, since I am a participant.

Is that better?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Cookie - I've said plenty about Cookie. Not a civilian. No way. I'm thinking Celestial now, though, because she strikes me as someone who isn't sure how to accomplish her goal. DH has defended her. Maybe Cookie is the john and DH is her whore. Fits. Fitting.

Hamburger Boy - Voted Metalmarsh- Metalmarsh lynched. Open and shut case.

Ika - Hope the hangover wasn't too bad and that the wallet isn't too empty. Did not vote. Probably for the best.

Mac's Mom - Crotchety old buzzard. Needs some prunes.

Saberfish - "Noticed some stuff" but couldn't be bothered to state what that stuff is. Asked about ties before voting. After the lynch, makes the obvious speculation that S~V~S, Hamburger Boy, or Roxy could be Killface. Voted thirteenth overall for Mac's Mom for a vague reason. Still not sharing what "stuff" was noticed. Voted someone who had no votes when eight others had at least one vote.

Sig - Last visit was the twentieth, so I can assume sig hasn't even opened his role PM.

TinyBubbles - Three posts. The third one includes a blanket defense of low posters. Votes MP because MP is getting married. That's noteworthy, because so is spacedaisy, yet TinyBubbles makes no mention of her. Tenth voter on a new candidate after six others had votes. TinyBubbles still hasn't expressed amazement at being a good guy for the fourth time in a row.

++++

Based on this, I say Saberface is Killfish.

You are an English Professor, so I'mma assume you have a dictionary and can look up the definition of the word defending .

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Cookie
Hamburger Boy
Ika
Mac's Mom
Saberfish
Sig
TinyBubbles

Seven new people who would not know the dynamics.

This will be my focus.

Why would that matter when Team KillFace has BTSC? Wouldn't a new player be likely to ask their experienced regulars where to place the shot?

DharmaHelper wrote:Also, further proof the adverb thing is crap

Made wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So Scotty was an Xtacle, who didn't approve of Long Con's plan.

Could you repeat that in stupid people?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Wah wah wah I wish somebody would do something about all the non-participants making Mafia not fun for me wah wah wah

*votes Epi*

Somebody did do something about that

Long Con wrote:

Cookie wrote:Can anybody explain to me what the deal is with people using adverbs? I don't understand why it makes someone appear bad.

I don't suspect all adverbs, but I recognize that they can be red flags.

You can "just say something" or you can "craft a sentence". Civvies aren't trying to deceive everyone, so they are free to just say things. Baddies are trying to deceive everyone, so they may tend more toward crafting sentences. "Trying to sound Civvie", is one way of putting it.

Here's how I see the Scotty adverb thing - when he says "I honestly don't think you're on Crews' team", it feels like he's crafting it. An honest man doesn't need to tell everyone how honest he is.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Cookie wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi won't be getting my vote for some time. He's making nonsense points and ignoring actual suspects. Clearly civvie Epi.

Do you have enough experience with him to call this a civvie move? I mean, all Epi has done is insist I am lynched.

@My most recent post for Scotty asking why he only considered a few angles for KF, he answered it later on so nevermind!

When you get a chance, read Death Note mafia.

That game you won. I remember tha- wait, nope, nope. You didn't.

That was that game I had to flush out a guy who almost never posted in order to win, and you had to...I forget what it is you had to do it, but you didn't get it done.

I actually meant the game where your top like...five suspects were the most important civvies in the game :P

DharmaHelper wrote:

Cookie wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi won't be getting my vote for some time. He's making nonsense points and ignoring actual suspects. Clearly civvie Epi.

Do you have enough experience with him to call this a civvie move? I mean, all Epi has done is insist I am lynched.

@My most recent post for Scotty asking why he only considered a few angles for KF, he answered it later on so nevermind!

When you get a chance, read Death Note mafia.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Oh we're playing that game :P

Aight well you vote for Cookie if you want.

What game are we playing?

Frosted Ringo

DharmaHelper wrote:Oh we're playing that game :P

Aight well you vote for Cookie if you want.

DharmaHelper wrote:

DH: What makes you say Cookie seems more engaged here and less engaged in Watchmen?

She actually has an opinion of her own in this game

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'd rather you explain this:

"This is a very different cookie than in Watchmen mafia, which I will have to keep an eye on."

How is Cookie very different?

Tonally. She seems much more engaged in this game, my experience with her in Watchmen was basically "Hey, Cookie, could you please play?"

Cookie wrote:Like G-Man, I have no idea what the Watchman is about and I have no idea what to investigate. I will wait until I get home tonight and maybe someone can make suggestions?

Also, I'm new to this site and have played before but with people who don't scumhunt and rely solely on night results from cops, trackers, etc. So I'm excited for a more challenging game.

Cookie wrote:After catching up on the thread, I have a few small things to say:

1) I'm new to this site so don't think I am a good candidate for policy voting (please), for those of you who support it.
2) I've never heard policy voting but I think it's good to identify that problem within mafia games. I've always hated it and having to explain that, in terms of probability, we are more likely to lynch a townie. That being said, I do not support it in any way.
3) I don't think G-Man is suspicious. Having said that, I barely remember who posted what because everyone is new to me. It's easier if I knew people and can put a personality to the post, so when I get to know everyone a bit more, I will be able to scumhunt more efficiently.
4) How do I vote not to lynch someone? On the site I use, we vote "no lynch." Is there an alternative name for it here or do I just not vote?

Cookie wrote:

Golden wrote:Cookie, there is usually no 'no lynch' option here, and missing the vote isn't usually considered an option (see the rules for epi's view on participation).

Oh, thanks! I mean, I read the rules but there was also lots of mumbo-jumbo that I didn't understand about Watchmen and stuff. I'll reread now. : )

Cookie wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Cookie wrote:After catching up on the thread, I have a few small things to say:

4) How do I vote not to lynch someone? On the site I use, we vote "no lynch." Is there an alternative name for it here or do I just not vote?

On this site you have to vote for someone because we have the P-Score. It's a way to track and rate players based on participation. If you miss too many votes, your P-Score will be docked and you might not be allowed into a future game if the host of said game requires a higher P-Score than what you have. Someone more acquainted with the P-Scores take over from here because it's still newish to me as well.

Thanks! I didn't understand what P-scores meant until now. I'm guessing it's the line under my avatar that says "Participation Score." Thanks!

Cookie wrote:

Spoiler: show

Cookie wrote:After catching up on the thread, I have a few small things to say:

1) I'm new to this site so don't think I am a good candidate for policy voting (please), for those of you who support it.
2) I've never heard policy voting but I think it's good to identify that problem within mafia games. I've always hated it and having to explain that, in terms of probability, we are more likely to lynch a townie. That being said, I do not support it in any way.
3) I don't think G-Man is suspicious. Having said that, I barely remember who posted what because everyone is new to me. It's easier if I knew people and can put a personality to the post, so when I get to know everyone a bit more, I will be able to scumhunt more efficiently.
4) How do I vote not to lynch someone? On the site I use, we vote "no lynch." Is there an alternative name for it here or do I just not vote?

Welcome, Cookie!

Why do you not think G-Man is suspicious? Can you elaborate?

Why would you want to vote a "no lynch"?

I don't think G-Man is suspicious because, at this point, I don't suspect anyone's posts to be suspicious. Also, I don't remember who's posted what in the thread because there are so many people to keep track of, therefore, anyone who might have been suspicious would have been more memorable (or their post would have been).

I had been mistaken last night. After I voted for what to investigate, the list of players became available to vote and I saw Epi said we had until midnight to vote so I was panicking that no one else was voting anyone else and so I wanted to vote no one. I didn't want to be responsible for casting the only vote, resulting in a lynch of that person who might have been civ.

Cookie wrote:Hi guys!! Excited to play!

Cookie wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Whenever I think of Cookie, I think of Billy Sunday in Men of Honor.

Why?!

Cookie wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I would like to lynch Cookie Day 1.

Why again?

Cookie wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I would like to lynch Cookie Day 1.

Why again?

Cookie wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Totally stoked to start playing this game! I’m pretty sure I’ve played at least one game with most of you, but if I haven’t, hello new guys! My strategy this game is going to be a little fast and loose, but I’m ready to wreck face.

Does anyone have any questions for me? Really nervous since I haven’t even seen a single episode of this show… Anybody know who Brent/Trent are? Killing one of them is gonna be an interesting decision, and I feel like I’d make a better choice if I knew more about them. Every Day 0 Poll is almost always nerve wracking.

Who wants to take bets on the first person to ask if anyone has poll info? At least there are only two options. Seems less likely there would be too much oddness with just two options to go off of.
The one problem I can see us running into pretty early is the lack of activity from some of the newer folks, but I’ll hold off judgement on that until more people start to trickle in or the days start to tick by, whichever comes first. Having inactive players (however intentionally) is only going to hurt the civs as the game goes on; having just won a game based on that, I don’t plan on tolerating it if I can help it. Everyone needs to pitch in.

This post is getting a little long but it’s late so it will probably be my only post of the night, better to make it count. Happy to be playing a full game again! I don’t think I could handle a 24/24 game again so soon after Watchmen. Ready to take my time and read everything carefully. Don’t expect me to fuck around with ISO’s or rainbow lists or whatever though.

Rainbow lists, as (inexplicably) popular as they’ve gotten, piss me off because they are annoying and serve no real legitimate purpose. Others obviously disagree, but I figure I’d best get my thoughts on the matter out early; I won’t hold it against anyone who wants to make one, but I won’t really hold those lists in a high regard either. But that’s probably my stubbornness influencing my game. I don’t adapt well to change. Now before I get too ramble-heavy, I’m gonna bounce outta here; bye guys!

What... I like rainbow lists. It helps me organize other peoples' thoughts in my mind. I'm a visual person so maybe that has to do with my preference. I've never made my own rainbow list (although I've only just learned what they are in Watchmen).

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Significantly weak reasoning.

How is my weak reasoning significant?

In magnitude.

DharmaHelper wrote:Significantly weak reasoning.

Saberfish wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So,

Mac's Mom, HamburgerBoy, Saberfish, this is your first game on The Syndicate. What thoughts do you have? Any suspects?

On it's face it's possible that the lynching wasn't randomized and SVS, Hamburger, or Roxy are Killface since his vote is worth two.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Oh, all right.

ika, some advice:

If you're not really drunk, and just faking for the game, then please get some acting lessons. If you cannot afford those, I recommend learning from John Huston and Sinclair Lewis.

If you are really drunk, then please stop playing cards, or at least have a ginger ale now and again when you do, and don't bet on pocket sevens.

im sobering up at this point. i took theature in HS so i knwo some acting.

as for later pfffff. nah i like pocket 7, i mean if you want to talk about not playing hands i will almost alawys play 7-2 cus thats fun hand