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by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:15 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Cobalt wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Cobalt wrote:That said, I'm moving my vote to SVS for now, as it doesn't seem that Long Con is gaining any traction, Epi.

In fact, it almost looks like he's keeping under the radar so as not to draw too much attention to himself.
I don't like this. Hard working civilians make traction. They don't go where the wind is blowing.

It reinforces my view that you and Long Con are teammates.
Oh.

That's cool. idrgaf.
No, you do give a fuck.

You're nervous. Put that vote back on Long Con or I'll burn your ass tomorrow.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:12 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Cobalt wrote:That said, I'm moving my vote to SVS for now, as it doesn't seem that Long Con is gaining any traction, Epi.

In fact, it almost looks like he's keeping under the radar so as not to draw too much attention to himself.
I don't like this. Hard working civilians make traction. They don't go where the wind is blowing.

It reinforces my view that you and Long Con are teammates.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:42 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

S~V~S wrote:The way I felt the other day, yes. I feel that you are often a bully, or felt that way when i said that. I overreacted, as I already said. But that is what i was thinking at the time I said that.
So you felt I bullied LC because I suspected him over his empty use of a word and his responses afterward?

I don't know how the hell else to play Mafia. Would you prefer I just vote and not post at all?

It's amazing to me that you call me a bully. I didn't call Long Con "full of shit." You called me that without giving a reason why. I don't mind. Do what you must. But I wouldn't call you a bully for it.

Post-game, I would like to know what I did that was bullying.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:31 pm
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S~V~S wrote:Linki, becasue YOU were the one attacking him.
So anyone I go after is automatically an underdog?

Thanks, but what? :confused:
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:26 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Another reason I believe S~V~S is Mafia:
S~V~S wrote:No, you're right. But he makes it sound so...horrible. When you do it it feels reasonable, when he does it it seems demagogue-ish. Huey Long like, I guess. And he knows (I hope) that this is said in a gameplay sense, not a real person sense. More than anyone I know, his game face and his real face are the most diverse. Sometimes it is hard to take that into account on my part, which is a failure of mine, not his. I need to learn to laugh him off, roll my eyes and move on. But for some reason I find it hard to do that. I am thinking I need to take a long break, or maybe even quit Mafia, tbh. I have always had that kind of reaction to that sort of aggression, maybe it's a "protect the Underdog complex. But lashing out at people for it has gotten me into trouble for years.
This links my "aggression" to S~V~S's need to "protect the underdog."

But what underdog was I going after at the time (and still am)? Long Con.

LC is not an underdog. He's a seasoned player. So why bring up the underdog "complex?"
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:21 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Golden wrote:One thing I don't think SVS ever does is lie about stuff like 'contacting the host'.

I completely believe she has been honest about all of that.

I do not think it necessarily points to her being civ, I still think she could be bad, but I by no means call into question the truthfulness of her talking about that stuff.
I don't question that either- just the timing of how she has chosen to present what information she has. I think it is misleading.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:17 pm
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S~V~S wrote:No, I am not. I freaked out on you over a silly day one standard Epi ploy. It was poorly done of me, and I was going to lose it. So I left.

What did I do that you think I was "caught"?
Very well.

You said you went to the host. Why not the mod? I know you said the host sees eye to eye with you on most things, but still, I find that unusual given how we, as a site, are pumping the mod-on-duty function.

Anyway, you said the host told you you were reading aggression where there was none. All right. But you imply later that I'm the only one you found aggressive. Now, early this morning, you acknowledged (presumably of your own accord) this, which says you should have rolled your eyes and went about your business (which is equally dismissive as you saying I'm full of shit, which you said in the post prior without saying why, but I don't mind).

If you were willing to divulge that you sought counseling from the host, I think you would have mentioned that early this morning, not just now. I think you are grasping at straws at the eleventh hour.

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:....AND I was avoiding the thread since I did not want to have a meltdown, tbh. I could feel it coming on. But I decided it would be abysmally unfair to ruin Doms lovely role without even a fight. So I am rapidly getting over myself, and trying to make a come back :D

I say what i think always when a civ, I don't care how it makes me look.
You always say what you think when you are civilian, but you avoided the thread because you didn't want to have a meltdown on Day 1?

I think you're Mafia, and you're caught.
You haven't noticed that I have been avoiding mod discussions too, until they are over, basically? especially when they are adversarial? I have been avoiding YOU, I am ashamed to admit. But it's true.
If this is the case, then this shouldn't have been brought up here.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:04 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

S~V~S wrote:....AND I was avoiding the thread since I did not want to have a meltdown, tbh. I could feel it coming on. But I decided it would be abysmally unfair to ruin Doms lovely role without even a fight. So I am rapidly getting over myself, and trying to make a come back :D

I say what i think always when a civ, I don't care how it makes me look.
You always say what you think when you are civilian, but you avoided the thread because you didn't want to have a meltdown on Day 1?

I think you're Mafia, and you're caught.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:35 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:Townies moving forward should try to make sure everyone is examined equally.
Good luck with that. I disagree.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:04 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

DFaraday wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:And i'm a good guy AGAIN for the third time in a row!
I wouldn't really question that if you hadn't mentioned it...
That's why I posted Nick. That came off as forced if anything has.
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:52 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

One pill makes your participation score bigger
And one pill makes it small
And the pills that timmer gives you
Don't do anything at all

Go ask Alex
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:05 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

TinyBubbles wrote:And i'm a good guy AGAIN for the third time in a row! Which really doesn't help me train my mafia hunting instincts, like they say it takes a thief to catch a thief.
Image
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:56 am
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Long Con, you say this is a shoving match or pissing contest. Can you elaborate? Why do you characterize my posts, which were trying to garner discussion, as both a shoving match and "good to see"? I'm not sure how to reconcile those two separate thoughts.
I was commenting on two different sets of posts, though one leads in to the other. You were firing questions at everyone who was in the thread at the time to get them talking, to get some discussion going. That is what I liked, that's what was "good to see". Soon enough, your questions turned to Epi, and instead of answering, he questioned back at you, and you basically did the same back at him.
:suspish:

No sir. My third post (my first serious post) was a question directed at MP. That was Monday, 2:33pm EST.

MP had seven posts before this, none of which addressed me at all. In fact, he only addressed Devin, not "everyone who was in the thread at the time."

Epi shot first.

Should I attribute this to carelessness or mendacity on your part? :eye:
by Epignosis
Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:53 am
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Canucklehead wrote: Epi thinks "interesting" is a stupid word. I agree. The next time an undergrad hands me a paper telling me how "interesting" Measure for Measure is, I am going to set it alight and force them to watch their minutes of half-hearted effort burn to ashes in front of their eyes. HAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA. Take that, undergrad!
:slick:
Canucklehead wrote: Epi is ON FIRE this game.
Is this because an undergrad said I was interesting? :puppy:
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:33 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I plan to vote for Long Con in the next hour. Does anyone have a reason I should not?
There will still be 20+ hours left in the day. I have no objections which will actually sway your opinion one way or another, however.
If Long Con is bad, I have reason to think one of his people done chucked him.
does this mean you are focusing on Cobalt and MM? Why do you feel this way?
You're asking me to place a lot on the table on Day 1, but I am drinking, and I've already said what I've said.

MM always votes early. It's his gig. Everybody knows it. Including Long Con.
Long Con wrote:I did think it was strange when Hedgeowl was talking about bandwagon votes before voting even started. I thought it was a good sentiment for me personally to have out there, since Epig and Cobalt seem to wish for a bandwagon to happen on me, but it's an odd thing to say nonetheless.

S~V~S may be trying to pocket me with her defense of the word "interesting" and attack on Epig. My lynch would end up making her look better, and my survival with her in my "good books" would be advantageous as well.

If I were making a rainbow list at this point, I'd have Sloonei, Hedgeowl, S~V~S, and Epig as slight Mafia reads, and Golden and MP as slight Civ. I guess I don't need to invoke the rainbow to just say that. I want to read back over the Gumshoe stuff to see who else seemed to be trying to cast it in a worse light than I think it is, I don't think Sloonei was the only one, just the one that stuck out to me.

Linki: Thanks, MM, good to know I can always count on your support. If you did vote, could you let us know if votes are changeable in this game? :grin:
LC posted this "linki" 15 minutes later after MM voted.

I am not saying it didn't take him 15 minutes to post this. Just stating the time frame.

Cobalt's second post said
Cobalt wrote:Long Con, I'm coming for your weave this game. Image
Two minutes later, LC said:
Long Con wrote:My... my weave? :puppy:
Cobalt made it sound like her vote for Long Con was vengeance for another game. But does anybody really do this?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:20 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I plan to vote for Long Con in the next hour. Does anyone have a reason I should not?
Because I think SVS is a better choice and because I think if LC is not bad, having three votes before anyone else has any is a hard deficit to overcome and a very easy place to put bandwagon votes.
I'm listening.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:18 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I plan to vote for Long Con in the next hour. Does anyone have a reason I should not?
There will still be 20+ hours left in the day. I have no objections which will actually sway your opinion one way or another, however.
If Long Con is bad, I have reason to think one of his people done chucked him.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:13 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

I plan to vote for Long Con in the next hour. Does anyone have a reason I should not?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:45 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

I don't care to focus on 27 people. I picked two. I will be voting for one of these two today.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:37 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Because I am awesome in a way you will never know?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:22 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epi how do you feel about Cobalt and MM?
I don't.
So you don't have a read on either one?
I want to lynch either Long Con or S~V~S. I'm not interested in talking about Cobalt or MM.

Do you have anything to say about Cobalt or MM?
Why have you made up your mind so early?
Why are you asking me this now? I made up my mind yesterday.
Why did you make up your mind yesterday?
Suppose there's an alternate universe where we get to vote out two players today. Who's the second person we throw votes at?
I'm not answering that question because it would require me to explain something a fourth time.

S~V~S.
nijuukyugou wrote:I'm so touched
In the head.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:25 pm
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Sloonei wrote:I feel as if I'm getting a better sense of how to read you, and right now I'm leaning town. Still early.
People keep saying this.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:24 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epi how do you feel about Cobalt and MM?
I don't.
So you don't have a read on either one?
I want to lynch either Long Con or S~V~S. I'm not interested in talking about Cobalt or MM.

Do you have anything to say about Cobalt or MM?
Why have you made up your mind so early?
Why are you asking me this now? I made up my mind yesterday.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:10 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epi how do you feel about Cobalt and MM?
I don't.
So you don't have a read on either one?
I want to lynch either Long Con or S~V~S. I'm not interested in talking about Cobalt or MM.

Do you have anything to say about Cobalt or MM?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:04 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epi how do you feel about Cobalt and MM?
I don't.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:25 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

So, Sloonei, who are your Day 1 suspicions right now?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:56 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:I have not developef a strong read on either LC or SVS, and so I can not support a lynch against either of them.
Do you expect to develop a strong read on anyone in order to support a lynch against anyone?

If so, how will this happen?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:42 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Yeah, I'm a dude.

What gave it away?

It wasn't my avatar, was it?

Was it?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:31 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:Okay thanks for clarifying gender

@Sloonei I'm saying if you were mafia it could have been a strategy to say you were a noob, however you said you were not a noob this was something I noted as being a more civilian/ independent action who is attempting to stake a claim so to speak much like what CObalt did so to not be brushed off. So what I'm saying is this imo makes you less likely to be a mafia. If that makes sense?

Okay I wasn't sure if you thought they were together or not thanks for clarifying. A few posts not much but I did notice some looking back it isn't anything damning, I think your posts are well put together you ask questions which is another indicator that you aren't a mafia.

What is your views on an LC lynch and the fact that CObalt is pushing it?
I do not like the push for LC to be lynched, for a couple of reasons. The first being that I don't agree with th cases that have been made against him. I believe LC's version of the story of Epignosis's. That is not to say I think Epi is scum, or even necessarily wrong. I just see things more LC's way.
But more importantly, it's way too early to begin narrowing down suspects at all. There were calls to lynch him before the game had even started. That sort of approach is completely backwards from my point of view. Day 1 is about finding out as much as we can about every player in the game, not focusing on one target and seeing what shakes out.
which is to say i do not currently support the lynching of Long Con, but it's very early.
What is your opinion of S~V~S, then? You've said very little of her.

You did say:
Sloonei wrote:That is an inordinately high number of suspicions to develop in such an early phase of the game. I've never played with SVS before and do not know anything about their usual playstyle, so I do not know quite what to make of all this yet. But I've found this Day 0 to be pretty interesting.
This implies to me that you have played with Long Con before (since you have commented more extensively on him). Is that true?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:56 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Is that a link to a chatzy I see? :faint:
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:42 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Golden wrote:What was the vibe of your PM, epi?
Inebriated.

Seriously, I'm good with multiple days. There seems to be more conditional language involved beyond the person getting lynched, however.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:34 pm
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MovingPictures07 wrote: (2) my replication (yes, Epi, Choi et al 2010 the auditing one, not the Biology one)
:eye:
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:29 pm
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Golden wrote:Thats how I interpret it too, Epi. 17th role would be in the civilians, but it sounds to me like I've landed a baddie role description. Although possibly, since they might 'stop time', it's actually a civilian who can stop a lynch (and go straight into a second day) and if they are lynched you go into the second day as well.
I picked five, so I don't think you can go by the numbers to figure out an alignment. :shrug:
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:24 pm
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Golden wrote:My PM was full of stuff about stopping time, a second day will follow, and a lot of conditional stuff about 'if lynched' or 'if they die'. And something about a song cycle.
+1

I was interpreting this as the anti-Joshua. Lynch him and you get another day.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:05 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Epi is reading as standard throw-everything-at-the-wall Epi to me
:|

I had a brief exchange with MP, went after LC for how he characterized it and construed his purpose in commenting on it, and I'm also suspicious of S~V~S for reasons I gave yesterday.

Is "throw-everything at-the-wall" how you are really reading me?
Would you object to this analysis of you? Why?
I'd rather hear DF respond first.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:51 pm
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DFaraday wrote:Epi is reading as standard throw-everything-at-the-wall Epi to me
:|

I had a brief exchange with MP, went after LC for how he characterized it and construed his purpose in commenting on it, and I'm also suspicious of S~V~S for reasons I gave yesterday.

Is "throw-everything at-the-wall" how you are really reading me?
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:23 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Long Con wrote: I don't think "tug of war" is the metaphor I would use for the exchange between you and MP.
I should hope not. It was a crude joke. ;)
Long Con wrote:I'm surprised by how defensive you got about it. In the last part of the quoted post, you have me voting for you and MP over this. I didn't comment on it to say it's suspicious, or even that it's unusual for the two of you. I said I don't know what to make of it, and you are reading a lot into that and feeling threatened by it. All it means is that you guys asked more questions than you gave answers, and that left some things hanging, cut off others before they could become discussions. Maybe I'll "know what to make of it" when there's more answers and opinions, and less stonewalling.
You think I'm feeling threatened and getting defensive? About a suspicion I initiated against you?
Long Con wrote:Epi for his defensive reaction to the "shoving match" comment. He's turned it into an excuse to suspect and vote for him, when it was just a comment on the situation. And he's accusing me of lying about saying things to gauge reactions, when the shoving comment wasn't even the first time I did it.
Yes, that it what I'm accusing you of. Nail on the head. You had two posts prior (this one and this one, putting an eye on DFaraday and Scotty, respectively. I could (maybe) see how these are attempts to gauge reactions, but don't you think those two attempts lack subtlety? They're so blatant that you had to know no one would take them seriously enough for you to learn anything.

But those two posts are very different from you saying this:
Long Con wrote:I'm not too pinged by this truce thing, and I don't know what to think about the shoving match between MP and Epig yet.
I don't know what kind of reactions you thought this post might generate. Rather, this is the kind of thing you say in order to AVOID a reaction, not get one. So I don't believe in this particular instance, you were gauging reactions, which is what you implied you were doing.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:20 pm
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Re: [Day 1] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:Dragon D. Luffy has been replaced by Cancucklehead. :) She cannot be lynched today.
:eek:

:scared:

:puppy:
what are you so scared of, little puppy?
You didn't witness the maelstrom of deceit that was Canucklehead in Roger Rabbit.

They still whisper about it in Toontown. :mafia:
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:57 am
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Dom wrote:Dragon D. Luffy has been replaced by Cancucklehead. :) She cannot be lynched today.
:eek:

:scared:

:puppy:
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:49 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Long Con is still my #1 suspect, however.

His manipulation is transparent to me.
Long Con wrote:I'm not too pinged by this truce thing, and I don't know what to think about the shoving match between MP and Epig yet.
In case I haven't been clear, here is what I see is happening in this one line:

Long Con mischaracterizes and trivializes the exchange MP and I had Day 0. He quoted a bunch of posts from MP and me and called it a shoving match. He said he doesn't like the term "pissing match" (Glad he forewent "tug of war" :phew: ). Neither of those terms accurately describes what was going on there.

However, this serves the neater purpose of giving LC a place to vote if either an Epignosis or MP lynch gains momentum. He comments on it without saying anything meaningful about it (except for making it sound uglier than it is), which shows his audience that he is aware something is going on there, all the while leaving himself free to vote for either of us if the opportunity presents itself.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:27 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:We are only in Day 0. So far, regarding me, S~V~S has stated or implied that:

1. I am trying to get people who used a certain word lynched
2. I am playing mind games to trick people
3. I am making a cryptic gambit
4. I am throwing out fake suspicions as part of a fishing expedition
5. I am distracting people (from what has yet to be articulated)
6. I am possibly distancing from Long Con

That's a lot of commentary for a Day 0 on one person. :smoky:
I said there are a lot of explanations for your behavior. Tell me o brilliant one how this makes me bad? It doesn't.
There are a lot of explanations for anyone's behavior.

++++
Sloonei wrote:That is an inordinately high number of suspicions to develop in such an early phase of the game. I've never played with SVS before and do not know anything about their usual playstyle, so I do not know quite what to make of all this yet. But I've found this Day 0 to be pretty interesting.
To be fair to S~V~S, only a couple of those items could be construed as "suspicions." I do try to keep things fresh (for myself at least) whenever a new game starts, and that has led to me using tactics and techniques that may seem unorthodox. That much is true.

But what doesn't smell right is this: If my Day 0 suspicions aren't genuine (i.e., mind games, fishing expeditions, cryptic gambits), then why does she feel the need to say the following?
S~V~S wrote:I did a search when Epi made a big deal of it, and three people had used it. I was one of them. When they came for me, to paraphrase that WW2 German pastor, there was no one left to speak for me. If Epi led a lynch on someone for use of a common word, I might be next.
This implies that I *could* lead a lynch against someone for using a common word, and that S~V~S believes that if I campaign against people using that word (I'm not, because that's a terrible simplification of my Long Con suspicion), I'll eventually get to her, as though I am capable of directing the thread as some rhetorical Pantokrator...

...yet...
S~V~S wrote:This feels somewhat distractionary to me. Either you don't want people to talk about the other discussion today, or maybe you're doing some rather fancy distancing with LC, since it is unlikely that he is going to get lynched over "interesting". Or maybe you are just doing some standard issue Epi mind games and intentionally enigmatic crap. Not sure which, maybe all, maybe none.
Despite implying that I could lynch all the people who had (up to that point) used the word "interesting," S~V~S says that it's unlikely Long Con will get lynched over "interesting."

So either I am serious about my suspicions but feeble to do anything about them, or I am faking my suspicions and S~V~S fears she will be on a list of people taken out by them.

These two ideas are not compatible.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:59 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

We are only in Day 0. So far, regarding me, S~V~S has stated or implied that:

1. I am trying to get people who used a certain word lynched
2. I am playing mind games to trick people
3. I am making a cryptic gambit
4. I am throwing out fake suspicions as part of a fishing expedition
5. I am distracting people (from what has yet to be articulated)
6. I am possibly distancing from Long Con

That's a lot of commentary for a Day 0 on one person. :smoky:
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:39 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Some say Epi, some say Epig. Or Rob.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:24 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:you responded to the post, therefore it's possible that somethig was learned.
Nothing was learned, Paprika.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:21 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

That was to Sloonei.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:18 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

No. Long Con didn't learn anything by saying this:
Long Con wrote:This all got very interesting. I see MP07 is going full-swing with the Question-Hammer, good to see! Gets people talking.

Here's the general rule I use with new players. If it comes down to a vote that's based on very little, I'll probably avoid going for them in the spirit of community friendliness. If there's a bigger or more stand-out suspicion on a new player, then I'll probably vote for them despite their newness.

I'm not too pinged by this truce thing, and I don't know what to think about the shoving match between MP and Epig yet.

Linki: I also suspect Gumshoe and Devin of being criminally fraternal in some subtle way. :smoky:
If he has, then I need him to show me post game how this works. He is justifying why he was using vague terms.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:13 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:You said you didn't know what to think about it. Why say that? Useless. Form an opinion and then state it when you have one. You had other things to say, but you decided to drop that in there and call it a "shoving match."
Yes, that's what happened. I'm glad that you can play your way and I can play my way. Makes for a richer, more fun game of Mafia. You can stay silent and form opinions and only speak when you have them, that's one way to do things. Another way to do things is to make a comment first and then observe the reactions of those who are commented about. You can learn a lot.
Nah.

I don't buy that you were doing that.
why not?
Long Con didn't focus on what he learned, as he implied. He focused on what I called him out on. That's why his style wasn't to garner reactions. It was to say something without saying anything. Now he's making up reasons.
Your reaction is ongoing, and so is the learning. I thought you wanted me to stay silent until my opinions are formed, now you're attacking me for what I haven't said yet? :omg:
Please run for office in America. :noble:
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:11 pm
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Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:You said you didn't know what to think about it. Why say that? Useless. Form an opinion and then state it when you have one. You had other things to say, but you decided to drop that in there and call it a "shoving match."
Yes, that's what happened. I'm glad that you can play your way and I can play my way. Makes for a richer, more fun game of Mafia. You can stay silent and form opinions and only speak when you have them, that's one way to do things. Another way to do things is to make a comment first and then observe the reactions of those who are commented about. You can learn a lot.
Nah.

I don't buy that you were doing that.
why not?
Long Con didn't focus on what he learned, as he implied. He focused on what I called him out on. That's why his style wasn't to garner reactions. It was to say something without saying anything. Now he's making up reasons.
maybe he responded to what you called him out on because you called him out on it. Why should he share everything that he might learn right away?
Because he didn't learn anything.

Do you think he learned anything?
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:06 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
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Views: 145106

Re: [Day 0] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

S~V~S wrote:I reread it, and I still find it interesting. I want to see where it goes, and tbh, I found you jumping on a word to be MORE interesting. Which was why that was what I chose to comment on.

Which was perhaps your intention :shrug:

And I am sure I will lay awake all night in fear at being on your suspect list.
What did you find interesting prior to 4pm EST and why?

What am I distracting from? You didn't say. :ponder:

Without naming every possibility, what is your current opinion of me and why?

And my intention isn't to keep you up at night. My intention is to lynch you if you are bad. And I think you are. Sweet dreams. ;)

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