The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:31 am
This is the biggest load of shit I've ever seen Epignosis dump into a Mafia thread.

Sorry, but you'll have to wait until next year to nominate that for "The Biggest Load of Shit Epignosis has Ever Dumped into a Mafia Thread."

Yo (I'm pretty sure that's Yiddish for "What's up with this?"):

speedchuck isn't on the poll.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:56 am You won phenon because you took over as town leader, which you did by purposefully emulating your civvie style. Low activity allowed it to happen, but it wasn't the sole cause.

I was able to take over as town leader because of the low activity. I was unable to take over as town leader in Mountain Mafia because of the high activity. Cultivating a thread environment that benefits my faction is perhaps the most important skill I have developed over the years as a Mafia player. I was actually close to getting there in Mountains too, but when dunya replaced in she re-ignited it (to her credit).

I'm the one who put out that fire. dunya didn't even vote for you. She voted alongside you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:11 am JaggedJimmyJay remains my #1 suspect. He wasn't trying to learn anything about Kyle or from other people. He was just trying to look like he was.

3J, you're bad at pretending.

I'm interested in an elaboration on this. Are there examples of Jay using his standard day 0 maneuver in a game where Jay was mafia? Did he do this in phenon or pirate?

I'm not interested in examples in which so-and-so did such-and-such as mafia.

What 3J describes is something that is very easy to replicate Day 1 when you are mafia, and on my end it looks like a quick way to establish early credibility: He is patting himself on the back for generating content by calling you bad based on some "tell" that apparently everyone but you knew didn't exist.

That doesn't impress me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:59 am The votes appear to be changeable.

I was in bed, but I assume this means 3J voted for me before even finding out if votes could be changed or not.

Do you think a civilian 3J would cast a potentially permanent vote so early?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:51 am Number of relevant posts in this thread before I pooped: 0

Number of relevant posts in this thread after I pooped: 150+

You're welcome.

Relevant posts within twelve hours of the game starting (while most people were in bed): 0

Relevant posts since then: More than 0.

JaggedJimmyJay remains my #1 suspect. He wasn't trying to learn anything about Kyle or from other people. He was just trying to look like he was.

3J, you're bad at pretending.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:25 pm I guess I'll ebwop it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:19 pm what do you think is his motivation right now?

The nip the Sloonei/Jay teamwork in the bud as quickly as possible, if not merely for you and I then for other observers of you and I, because if left unchecked it usually ends in civilian victories.

If that were my plan, do you think I'd employ it in such a way?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:04 pm I would expect you two to act the same way as you are acting now: Verifying each other and validating each other.

A weak civilian team is going to just go with that.

And I'll have none of that.

Nope.

1. Sloonei has not validated me in this game.

2. We have cooperatively read each other as civilians as civilians on numerous occasions, which is why this fake paranoia is being expressed. You know the trend exists as it is the inspiration for this accusation, and yet you cannot substantiate the accusation in this case whatsoever beyond "if the civilians listen to you two they're doomed". It's empty bullshit and you know it.

Epignosis is my top suspect.

You are mine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:56 pm How would you expect them to act when they are both bad together?

Answer your own question, and then describe how the play you've seen from us in this thread so far fits that description while failing to fit the description of the civilian-civilian Jay/Sloonei dynamic.

I would expect you two to act the same way as you are acting now: Verifying each other and validating each other.

A weak civilian team is going to just go with that.

And I'll have none of that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:30 pm Jay and I have been scum partners once. It was in Street Fighter. He bussed me on Day 1 and then subbed out.

I find it hard to believe you have only been partners once.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).

How would you expect them to act when they are both bad together?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:20 pm Yes.

Anytime I see this and the like:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:00 pm Jay do you have a read on Sloonei yet?

Civilian. He saw the potential utility of my poop and went right to work with it. His interrogation of you looks authentic and he doesn't seem concerned about appearances with his demeanor and his reads.

I assume.

I don't believe you. You'd think we're mafia teammates in every game you play with us. You don't. Fake read. Die.

Are you the only one allowed to spew "fake reads?"

Anyway, it isn't fake.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:01 pm When you two are teammates, you will maintain a significant advantage over people who blindly assume you will lead the civilians to victory.

I'm here to make sure that doesn't happen.

Do you suspect that we are teammates in this game right now?

Yes.

Anytime I see this and the like:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:00 pm Jay do you have a read on Sloonei yet?

Civilian. He saw the potential utility of my poop and went right to work with it. His interrogation of you looks authentic and he doesn't seem concerned about appearances with his demeanor and his reads.

I assume.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:47 pm Y'all please tell me about Epignosis's last post.

He rightly asserts that I shouldn't be assumed good because I make stuff happen. He then parlays that into "hang Jay and Sloonei", as though "doesn't make him good" is equivalent to "makes them bad".

No thanks. I won't be needing any of that today.

This isn't a parlay.

This is a hedge.

You and Sloonei are lapdogs to each other.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:48 pm Insincere

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:48 pmBogus

When you two are teammates, you will maintain a significant advantage over people who blindly assume you will lead the civilians to victory.

I'm here to make sure that doesn't happen.

Same shit. Different יְוֹם

3J does stuff.

Everyone assumes 3J is doing stuff to make stuff happen, including the stuffed.

Epignosis implies, "3J is full of shit, and is making shit up, and should not be assumed good for it."

Stuffed still is like, "No gee. He's here to help me."

Nope.

3J and Sloonei can hang.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.

If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.

I'm talking about the option in which you tell him, "You're full of shit and evil."

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

FZ. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

Did I hear someone say, "information?"

Sorry, can you explain what you meant by that? Coming back from a long break, I'm going to be a little slow...

I really don't think it's worth going into.

That scientist has eight fingers.

I don't think he knows what he's doing.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

Did I hear someone say, "information?"

Oy vey.

Do I have a confession to make!