The Syndicate

Has sig responded to any of that?

All right, I'm here, and I'm going to power through. I am at the section where sig gets...ahem...ghosted?

Sloonei:

Spoiler: show

Be back later (maybe).

Okay- I have a game with my family and then Walrus III. After that if I'm not drunk and passed out, I'll finish reading and hopefully do something that satisfies Mac "I have nipples so I'm bad" Dougall.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:28 pm Why is everybody up sig's ass? Holy shit.
It's roomy.

Why is everybody up sig's ass? Holy shit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:25 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
Go on.
I have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.
Not going to happen. I'm here maybe a couple of hours in the evening. I work two jobs and have three kids. Games on the Internet that don't make me any cash draw the short straw.
But ... Mafia is life?

Debt is slavery. I eliminate the former and I am a free man.

Jesus, juliets, I almost edited your post instead of quoted it.

Long day. Not a bad day, just a long one.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:43 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:03 am Like honestly, Epi, what are you doing.

Your best effort and genuine feeling won’t get me lynched. You know just repeating shit like “Jack is bad” or “Jack should be lynched” isn’t going to do the trick.

What? Are you treading water or something?
I'm not town reading Jack (I'm still sorting him) but the middle paragraph is a good point. Epi, please give some thoughts on why you see him as bad (I haven't done your ISO so if you have and I missed it just point me there).

Here's what I had to say in case you missed it:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:08 pm I missed out on the fun last time around.

Spoiler: show

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:20 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.
Sabie Sabie. I didn’t get mislynched. I can even physically be mislynched.

I gathered a few votes and then told Nutella she better shoot me and claim the mafia was trying to frame her, which is exactly what she did.

I’ve correctly read Nutella like 8 games running on D1. She’s a baddie.
Oh right yeah sorry it was tony who also suspected nutella that game that got mislynched. Then I told everyone hey maybe they were right about nutella and she ended up being bad. Point is this seemed like a similar situation.

I'm heading home from work now and I'll catch up on what's been happening the last 8 hours. Haven't had a chance to read everything yet.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:47 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:40 am In looking through speedchucks ISO there really isn't much there. When he discussed the jack nutella dynamic he just says it was interesting which is a way to kind of seem involved and respond to what's going on without really putting in his own perspective or response to it. He hasn't really seemed like he's trying to figure things out or anything.

I guess I'm not surprised jack is kind of changing what he said before about nutella. It seems as though he is trying to see how people react to his accusations and I know he can be tricky like that. I don't see it as a bad look for jack right now. I don't know if it necessarily changes my feeling on nutella but I'm curious to see what her response is to that.
Can you elaborate on your feelings on Nutella?

I saw you basically be like "Jack is good at reading Nutella" but I didn't see much in the way of what you independently think about her, given the posts I'm missing.
Sure so I'm not always as good at reading nutella as you claim to be. I thought she seemed similar this game to how she was in the Australian game with her responses to being suspected. I recall she strongly defended herself and threw suspicions in all other directions to see if it would stick. I thought that was kind of how she was reacting here. I think I've mostly seen nutella be mafia or indie in the last few games I've played with her though so that's what I'm used to seeing.

sabie mentioned Jack and interacted with Jack a butt load of times (there are others; I'm not quoting everything), and she made sure to talk about other people in the same breath. That's the same phenomenon JJJ pointed out regarding her treatment of Radishes.

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
Go on.
I have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.

Not going to happen. I'm here maybe a couple of hours in the evening. I work two jobs and have three kids. Games on the Internet that don't make me any cash draw the short straw.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.

Go on.

Vote Jack and sleep well.

That's what I'm doing.

Good night all.

Also fuck you Sloonei I'm not reading it.

Could be, might be, definitely is a toss up.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:15 am Last chance to talk to me. I'm drunk and tired and have to work tomorrow and won't be with you until night again.
Tolstoy or Dostoevsky

The latter, easily. My favorite author.

Last chance to talk to me. I'm drunk and tired and have to work tomorrow and won't be with you until night again.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:03 am Like honestly, Epi, what are you doing.

Your best effort and genuine feeling won’t get me lynched. You know just repeating shit like “Jack is bad” or “Jack should be lynched” isn’t going to do the trick.

What? Are you treading water or something?

Jack is bad.

My feet are tired.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:56 am Hey Epi. Are you and sig the last two Anti-Monitors?

Yes.

Lynch Jack.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:43 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:25 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?
How does one do that exactly?
...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:36 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

This is not someone trying to actually solve the game.
This is someone looking to antagonize anyone who disagrees into exhaustion.
You literally just said to abandon all of our leads?

Dare I suggest that Mac and Dom ignore each other for the time being? There's plenty of mafia to go around. Just a suggestion.

I'm around for about one more hour, so if anyone has anything to ask or say to me, do it now. Don't wait until I go to work and say "Epi is quiet."

Jack should be lynched.

sig isn't mafia. Fuck outta here with that.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:22 am I’m fucking goat

Look man, I don't judge. To each his own.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:21 am I left Dom and Epi off of the joint list. Both of them were listed as "incidentally present" on my list, which wasn't really a judgment of alignment either way. Radish named them as names, but didn't have a ton to say about either of them. Jay had Epi in his top tier of green reads, and Dom in the orange tier.

So put Epi in the "mixed reviews" category and Dom in "neutral/negative".

How am I a mixed review?

What I don't join is your sig vote. It makes no fucking sense to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:17 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:49 pm Sloonei's Shoes is a p good band name
The Paprika Sneakas.

I join your applause of that quip.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:01 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:53 pm New Nutella is very very likely town.
Old Jack is very very likely mafia.
All I can say is you better be town or all your love taps and me being like “Epi is my fifth suspect at best” is gonna look like distancing and I’ll be annoyed.

Who's your partner?

I won groceries tonight. Took third in a basketball tournament.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:53 pm New Nutella is very very likely town.

Old Jack is very very likely mafia.

Or anyone can answer for that matter.

nutella- your take on Jack in light of sabie and Radishes?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:36 pm So much for the thunderdome then

I don't know what that means either.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

How does one do that exactly?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:13 pm Epi is like idk my 5th to 8th highest scumread. He’s not even really on the menu. I’d rather get GMan or Mac.

G-Man I get. I have my own grievance.

I have read so much shit about Mac and I still don't understand what people see there. I see an angry old man who yells at anything that yells back.

Meanwhile, Radishes is dead. sabie is dead. There's shit to work with there.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:08 pm Alright jack v epi thunderdome is juicy af fight fight fight

Why? Jack hasn't said a word about me. He's a little bitch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:50 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:44 pm I want trough Sabie's ISO to ctrl+F Jack. There's some serious waffles and terrible "I don't see why Jack would go after Nutella if scum, cause Nutella could just flip town." Still votes Nutella. I also love how Sabie votes Mac because he followed Jack blindly, when Sabie was doing exactly the same. (Well, she actually refused to listen to Jack's turn on the read, but you know.. it's still bad).

I don't know if Jack/Sabie is a thing though. Can't really make my mind up. And jack DID turn the Nut read around with competing Nut/Radish wagons.

@Turnip Head Real talk. Why in Zoidberg's name do you read Sabie as town?
It’s not. I may have kinda ignored Radishes a lot but Sabie was trying to pocket me and get me to do her dirty work.

Horseshit.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm Also food for thought that I'm workshoping:

N1 there was no kill

This is correct.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pmand Sprityo/Dom started to pursue Mac more heavily.

I'll take your word for it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm Now there were a few things floating around about that,

I'm not sure what you mean here. What things?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm but given some of the voters on his wagon and how Sabie flipped I think Team 1 tried to kill Mac and it didn't work since he has the one night kill protection. Which led to a push from some of the players on his wagon to flip him to gain civ credit.

This bit is begging the question. Your assumption is that Mac was the N1 kill target and that the Night 1 killing team went after him, which is why Mac is bad. There are also a host of reasons why someone could survive a kill. I doubt very seriously Mac was the Night 1 kill target. I wouldn't kill him. He was doing fuck all.

I am not opposed to lynching MacDougall. I need to be convinced. This doesn't do it for me.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm And If Mac is mafia, Epi is a teammate for sure since he tied it up.

If.

I missed out on the fun last time around.

Spoiler: show

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:20 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.
Sabie Sabie. I didn’t get mislynched. I can even physically be mislynched.

I gathered a few votes and then told Nutella she better shoot me and claim the mafia was trying to frame her, which is exactly what she did.

I’ve correctly read Nutella like 8 games running on D1. She’s a baddie.
Oh right yeah sorry it was tony who also suspected nutella that game that got mislynched. Then I told everyone hey maybe they were right about nutella and she ended up being bad. Point is this seemed like a similar situation.

I'm heading home from work now and I'll catch up on what's been happening the last 8 hours. Haven't had a chance to read everything yet.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:47 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:40 am In looking through speedchucks ISO there really isn't much there. When he discussed the jack nutella dynamic he just says it was interesting which is a way to kind of seem involved and respond to what's going on without really putting in his own perspective or response to it. He hasn't really seemed like he's trying to figure things out or anything.

I guess I'm not surprised jack is kind of changing what he said before about nutella. It seems as though he is trying to see how people react to his accusations and I know he can be tricky like that. I don't see it as a bad look for jack right now. I don't know if it necessarily changes my feeling on nutella but I'm curious to see what her response is to that.
Can you elaborate on your feelings on Nutella?

I saw you basically be like "Jack is good at reading Nutella" but I didn't see much in the way of what you independently think about her, given the posts I'm missing.
Sure so I'm not always as good at reading nutella as you claim to be. I thought she seemed similar this game to how she was in the Australian game with her responses to being suspected. I recall she strongly defended herself and threw suspicions in all other directions to see if it would stick. I thought that was kind of how she was reacting here. I think I've mostly seen nutella be mafia or indie in the last few games I've played with her though so that's what I'm used to seeing.

sabie mentioned Jack and interacted with Jack a butt load of times (there are others; I'm not quoting everything), and she made sure to talk about other people in the same breath. That's the same phenomenon JJJ pointed out regarding her treatment of Radishes.

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:34 pm @Dyslexicon

ISO on Ted in some random order:

(There's no specific post that I find particularly AI, so I won't quote anything, but...)

-He bounces his reads around a bit (claims his page 2 reads based on 'swag' are serious, but never comes back to it; suddenly drops a vote on Nutella and only gives a reason for it later; then switches to vote me, again without justification), but doesn't try to justify his progression. Maybe a bouncy scum, but I get the impression he just doesn't care how he comes across. Good look.

-His tone is consistent - loose and carefree and not afraid to be a bit fun, but easily switches back to serious gameplay when necessary. Another good look of someone who isn't worried about how they come across.

-He isn't trying to stand out or lead a charge or anything, but equally isn't afraid to engage in discussions, even ones that don't involve him. No waffling on reads, just straight to the point. Also something I consider a good look.

Overall, ISOing Ted has made me nudge him from null+ to a lightish green. Macro play is decent so far, in the sense he doesn't seem concerned about his image.
Ted teammate material.
Ok, i found this (plus you think sig is town, and neither svs nor dizzy are radishmates). But this isn't much. Do you want to lynch ted for this? What does your lynch priority list look like?

I'll be with you once we get the youngest to bed (half an hour or so). Plus I see there's more to work with anyhow.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:04 pm Hit the wrong button.

When I was in third grade I got sent to the principal for calling my teacher a "harridan" lolol

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:56 pm Old people say, "by cracky" and wave their came at you, don't we, Epi?

By gum, you're right old chap.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:25 pm I want more thoughts from Epignosis. I don't recall him having any stances on anyone besides jay, and I don't even really believe that one is real. He has been very detached from the topics the rest of the thread is talking about.

The beauty of Mafia on The Syndicate is that you can click a little button under my picture and read anything I've posted here, which makes your memory moot.

No one is getting 100 posts a phase from me anymore. I'm available when I'm available, and that's at best a couple of hours in the evening. If you have something specific you'd like to ask, by all means, ask.

Off to play some A Link to the Past with my lads.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:51 pm Real talk tho epi, when young people say things like "mood"or "that's a mood" it means they heavily relate to the sentiment being expressed (sometimes in an abstract/surrealist way)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:27 pm Epi scum reading and pressuring Ted while at the same time completely ignoring my vote/point against him is such a mood tbh. I don't know what to do with that. Maybe I'm just that inconsequential lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:31 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:30 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:27 pm Epi scum reading and pressuring Ted while at the same time completely ignoring my vote/point against him is such a mood tbh. I don't know what to do with that. Maybe I'm just that inconsequential lol
1. My vote is already on ted (for now)
2. I don't know what a "mood" is.
3. I don't know why I need to acknowledge your vote or point against him. Do your thing.
You're such a mood tbh

Then that makes no son of a bitching sense.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:46 pm To answer Dyslexicon:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:33 pm I just tied it up.
Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:33 pm

That's the when.

The why was mostly fucking around. I had an early suspicion of Radishes ages ago. No suspicion of Mac. So I did a thing.
Thank yous.

So what you are saying is that you are not on the Radish team, but you are on the Mac team?

Yes.

I can't talk for another twelve minutes.

I still don't know what a mood is.

To answer Dyslexicon:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:33 pm I just tied it up.

Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:33 pm

That's the when.

The why was mostly fucking around. I had an early suspicion of Radishes ages ago. No suspicion of Mac. So I did a thing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:18 am I wish I'd asked him to explain why those names in particular stood out to him.

You still can.

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