The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:indiglo said I bounced back and forth on gleam.

I voted him and asked him to talk. He talked. I moved my vote.

I said gleam gets lynched or killed often early and I didn't want to be a part of that.

I later said if Wilgy is bad, then gleam is too. That's an if-then proposition.

MM says I refused to vote gleam...but part of his post against me is that I voted gleam.

Is that a fair summary of my dealings with gleam?

Was there any "bouncing?"

Part of my post is that you voted gleam, yes. That was the point. You voted for gleam, then later refused to vote for gleam after you moved your vote. You used those words too.

You later offered a scenario where gleam was bad, which relied on DrWilgy also being bad. Why did you later state that you don't understand the six votes on gleam? You offered a reason for gleam being bad. Why did you dismiss others' reasons for him being bad?

I am inferring from this that it is okay for you to suspect gleam, but not okay for others to suspect gleam.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:- Epignosis seems absent. He is always weird and hard to read, but this time he is that AND absent. He is usually more active, and more of a protagonist in the game (recall Pikmin and Economics). And his d1 vote on Wilgy (although justifiable by Epi standards) could be an easy cop out of he was mafia. So I'm uneasy about him.

ika wrote:i will also defend her form that kind of crap too and if it end up coming here we will jsut leave. i joined a while back and invited her here. if this is hwo it is then i will jsut leave and she will come with me.

im going before i get irate and go into cap lock

indiglo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Go on...

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Have you figured it out yet?

No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.

ika wrote:i do analize them

Ooooow.

So this is maybe interesting. Epi bounced back and forth on his Gleam / not Gleam vote. But then Nero flips opinions one time, and Epi notes it as odd. I would really like more input from Epi on both those things. And also from Nero.

Thanks bunches and bunches.

Sloonei wrote:I keep trying to get him to analize you, Epi, but he just won't budge.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Have you figured it out yet?

ika wrote:i do analize them

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy

care to explain that one?

DrWilgy wrote:

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Idk, but for some reason I want to lynch both Ika and Wolf.

Can you elaborate at all?

Not really. Bad gut feeling from the both of you... Er, you two together more so.

thellama73 wrote:I could do it in 9 minutes.

RadicalFuzz wrote:I'm writing this as I'm reading, so if some points have already been addressed then ignore me.

Spoiler: show

Quin the assumption that anybody acting strange, presumably to perform a task, should be a town read is something I find odd.

Luffy are you concerned about getting heat for unfamiliarity, is that why you're calling Soneji to the stand to testify to your behavior?

Quin Wilgy does as Wilgy is. While I don't know what he's doing, in my experience that's somewhat the norm for him. I feel like the amount of conjecture we could do regarding the tasks is nearly infinite, so I'd rather not focus on that line.

Sloonei I like your point regarding Mongoose.

Enrique others might not share this sentiment but it irks me when votes are explained away with "it was a joke" statements. I also attain an irked state when defenses consist of "I'm town" and nothing else. Statements like those showcase both zero credibility and zero effort.

Ika usually having a working knowledge of the roles in a given game can help you determine motivations and possible underlying intentions behind certain statements or actions. A game without any night protections whatsoever would have to be played differently than one with several. And this could just be me again, but I have personally never seen anything remotely fruitful come of asking the question "are you town" and I doubt I ever will. The only answer that question provides is that the one asking it is attempting to appear inquisitive.

Wilgy I can safely assume it was to gauge reactions, or I can dangerously assume it was to evoke a specific one.

Matt the implications of light green on a rainbow and not voting for someone aren't the same. As I understand it rainbow lists usually only have 5 colors, but a thinking person doesn't have only 5 states of suspicion they put the other players into.

Diiny I like your sense of humor.

Luffy regarding Tranq & spirityo I agree with you. Voicing support for something is fine, but to have the only thing to your name be a "linki- yeah let's do that" isn't a good thing.

Sloonei that cop-out pun was horrible. Thank you.

At the risk of appearing as if I'm defending Golden, I feel like Luffy & Sloonei are both putting words in his mouth after Matt's post. His only non-null read (he said, specifically, color on the rainbow so I might be misinterpreting) was Long Con and then shortly after said he didn't want to vote for 7 players. He didn't say he thinks they're town, necessarily. I can see where they don't like Golden's actions but there is a distinction between town read and "rather not vote X" that is being ignored.

Wilgy, I see that your ping is ponged. Would you mind circulating it my way?

Gleam I disagree with you on the point that pointing out how people are acting in this game as opposed to previous is "literally" all you can do on the first day. It doesn't take a precedent of action Y in previous games to determine that action X in this game doesn't look good.

Matt both Luffy & Sloonei used your points to pressure Golden but you missed it. After having played a game with you I was under the impression you would be on the lookout for anyone supporting you, but that's not the case here.

Gleam the problem of minimizing civilian deaths in this format is that we're "outnumbered" from the beginning. While it's preferable to dispose of scum first, each individual team from the beginning has more enemies than allies. Statistically speaking, trying to save civilians on day 1 when you yourself act as if there's very little information on day 1, is a poor decision.

Wilgy the irony of your avatar combined with "getting the heebee jeebees from [me]" is not lost on me. Also going to reiterate your statement, what are everyone's thoughts on me? And again, I informed you that my presence would be scarce this weekend so if you're in any way surprised that I was missing for a long period of time then that's on you.

Diiny being cautious about one's appearance isn't scum in and of itself.

"People like yourself are a pretty common trope in movie bad guys. They have some ideal that may even be morally sympathetic to the viewer, but you still use the end to justify your means of sacrificing a few innocent lives along the way. I think that is the wrong attitude."
Gleam this isn't some life-or-death survival game where he's sacrificed your crippled sister to better his odds of winning. Mislynches are going to happen, statistically. I guarantee you the number of games won without mislynches is smaller than the number of games won with them. And, again, this game in particular there are three teams and only one can win, so that makes the logic hole in your mission statement even larger.

Wilgy just because I didn't put a question at the end of that statement doesn't mean I wasn't looking for an answer. With what I know of you I assumed you would respond to that statement as is, and sure enough you did. What's the problem? Also I have to thank you for reminding me that Scotty never answered my question. Scotty made a small list of 3 players that hadn't checked in, but didn't include my name when at that point I hadn't said jack. Why or how did he miss me?

Gleam makes a good point. The normal result of players tying for a lynch vote would be both of them dying, no?

That's better.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote: If humans were perfect, this game would be impossible.

I'm perfect. Are you?

Well, I'm sick right now, and I consider that apersonal moral failing, so I guess not.

Who is a cop, Epi? Is it Dragon? (hint: yes)

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

sig wrote:I don't like Nero's vote what so ever. It seems like he picked a player who already had two votes. I think one of the other people with two votes is a cop, and Nero switched his vote to save them.

That´s a little far-fetched. We are supposed to catch baddies here, and in that moment Chaindeath seemed to me like the most scummy player. I was not happy with any of the major wagons, so I went with him. Do you believe both me and Ika(and the other players with two votes) are cops then? If so, why didn´t you vote for any of us?

I do agree with some of the above posters that Slooneis vote did seem like an act to save a teammate.

Another one? Jeez. Have any of you guys ever seen a baddie ever make such a brazen last second vote to save a teammate like I did? Because I've never seen anything like that happen in any game of mafia ever. I've seen lots of townies do it to prevent what they see as a mislynch, though. In fact, this is the third consecutive game I've done it as a townie on Day 1. Not that anyone's counting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

Is he your mafia partner? Did you happen to bump into him somewhere else beforehand?

thellama73 wrote: If humans were perfect, this game would be impossible.

DrWilgy wrote:Epiiiiii!!! Why were you so concerned with what I know about you from Zodiac? Are you hiding anything from me?

Also, did you vote me based on suspicion or based on me simply not responding?

Long Con wrote:Cool result for the Sockfaces, and though it wasn't a Cop, at least that puts all the Traitor discussion firmly behind us.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:hey im a stool pigeon now

no, that was not a role claim. that's my post count title.

Going by that, I'm a Hitman.

I did notice there was some synchronicity between the roles and the site titles.

Bitch, I'm Skeletor.

Could be a secret role.

Skeletor: Each night, you may bone a player of your choosing.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:hey im a stool pigeon now

no, that was not a role claim. that's my post count title.

Going by that, I'm a Hitman.

I did notice there was some synchronicity between the roles and the site titles.

Quin wrote:hey im a stool pigeon now

no, that was not a role claim. that's my post count title.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm sorry, your responses could be genuine but you are filling every box of my checklist.

- First you were not trying to hunt scum.
- Then people called you out and you literally accused all three people who were suspecting you. In other words, OMGUS.
- Then you say you are trying to protect civs when you had never posted a single civ read.
- Then you pull the "no lynch" theory out of nowhere. Which is a objectively bad theory because we can't win the game unless we try to lynch people.
- And now you are pigbacking on someone to validade your own points, when that someone doesn't actually have the same opinion as you. I've got lynched twice before as mafia for doing that, and lynched another mafioso for it. I think it's a good scumtell.

I refuse to vote for agleaminranks. Gleam gets lynched early all the time. I think the last time he told us to sit and spin or something.

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:In Zodiac I was AFK and made one post before I missed the vote and was subsequently NKed. Not a good comparison, my boy.

Which is fine, but you were mafia and I can generate a gut feel from it.
Comparison is this:
- Little content early game focusing around singular topics.
- This game being my ideas regarding the traitor role, and that game being you addressing a kindness issue.

I do also believe that you like being bad, so seeing you afk as a baddie gave me a spook. "Perhaps your meta had changed?" was my reaction, and I'm sure it played into why I was pinged.

75% of the playing field in Zodiac was mafia.

I don't know how you could generate meaningful data from a game of that nature.

Mafia didn't know that, so a mafia would still act like a mafia regardless. I think Zodiac actually did a good job allowing multiple players to play as mafia, and letting the players see how they would play as mafia.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm sorry, your responses could be genuine but you are filling every box of my checklist.

- First you were not trying to hunt scum.
- Then people called you out and you literally accused all three people who were suspecting you. In other words, OMGUS.
- Then you say you are trying to protect civs when you had never posted a single civ read.
- Then you pull the "no lynch" theory out of nowhere. Which is a objectively bad theory because we can't win the game unless we try to lynch people.
- And now you are pigbacking on someone to validade your own points, when that someone doesn't actually have the same opinion as you. I've got lynched twice before as mafia for doing that, and lynched another mafioso for it. I think it's a good scumtell.

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:In Zodiac I was AFK and made one post before I missed the vote and was subsequently NKed. Not a good comparison, my boy.

Which is fine, but you were mafia and I can generate a gut feel from it.
Comparison is this:
- Little content early game focusing around singular topics.
- This game being my ideas regarding the traitor role, and that game being you addressing a kindness issue.

I do also believe that you like being bad, so seeing you afk as a baddie gave me a spook. "Perhaps your meta had changed?" was my reaction, and I'm sure it played into why I was pinged.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:whys sloonei bad mr nosis

Mongoose does what Sloonei accused her of. All the time. And I have missed Mongoose something fierce.

Never have I ever played in a game with Mongoose.

Enrique wrote:whys sloonei bad mr nosis

Sloonei wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Oh wow, imagine seeing you in these parts!


In other news, I think it's transcendent that we are having the Voting a Non-Participant discussion again, and on my first day back!. Historically, I am very fond of this tactic (that is, in the absence of anything meatier -we've certainly had meat in the room on day 1, so to speak).

This post just caught my eye. I acknowledge that Mongoose has expressed some pretty legitimate reasons to not be active thus far, but when a player goes out of their way to express both of the thoughts expressed in the bottom paragraph, and then doesn't provide the thread with any meat herself, I can't help but see it as a player who is potentially trying to fluff up their own posts by spouting pro-town sentiments without actually contributing anything to the townie cause. Or the family cause. or whatever.
Putting my vote on Mongoose and then passing out.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hunting inactives? I don't remember you doing that since Guess Who mafia, or is my memory bad?

That's right. I've had a serious change of heart since hosting Arkham.

Did many people be inactive in that game so you decided enough is enough?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hunting inactives? I don't remember you doing that since Guess Who mafia, or is my memory bad?

S~V~S wrote:I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

What are you implying?

agleaminranks wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I wish I understood what this plan was so I could go ahead and tell you all how foolish it is.

I'll summarize:

Assumption: Don doesn't want to change votes often because that increases the probability of voting for the traitor.

Problem: Cops can use that fact to spot players who are hesitating to change votes. Therefore more likely to be Dons.

Solution 1: Everybody avoids changing votes unless necessary so we cover the Dons.

Solution 2: We all coordinate so we all vote for every single player one after another. Therefore both Traitors are triggered and the problem is eliminated.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I voted Long Con for making me look bad in Arkham.

That's legit. He was accused of the imbibing of alcohol because of my error. :lol: As if Epi would ever!

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yay Game

Old school, right into the lynch~

Certainly refreshing but bad timing for me personally. I'll be in Margaritaville all weekend for a wedding. So we should find the po-po quickly

MovingPictures07 wrote:All:

We've decided to slightly change the wording to the Stool Pigeon role to more accurately represent the timing and nature of events in the role, as well as to fix a balance issue. Here is the way it was written upon game's start:

Stool Pigeon – At the beginning of the game, he selects a number which corresponds to a member of his family (excluding The Don). He will learn the role of the player selected. After being arrested, he may choose to reveal the identity of this player to the Police, and if so, he is released and immune from being arrested again.

Here is how it is written now:

Stool Pigeon – At the beginning of the game, he selects a number which corresponds to a member of his family (excluding The Don). He will learn the role of the player selected. If he is in danger of being arrested, he may choose to reveal the identity of this player to the Police, and if so, he is saved.

Thanks for understanding and apologies for any confusion.