The Syndicate

I really don't give a shit about "NO U." I also don't give a shit about people getting mad about being caught.

insertnamehere wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:Assuming there is a hidden fifth mafia role, likely the silencer, then one mafia has to be dead, or else we would have lost by now. My money's still on SVS. Maybe 3J as well - who is either Moze, mafia, or maybe an independent Karen?

I want everybody's thoughts on who is mafia. Give your top two most likely people to flip scum in your eyes.

I'm at a point where I have the sneaking suspicion that we've already lost, and the mafia outnumber the civilians. At this point the only person I kinda trust is bea, and the fact that everyone trusts her makes me not want to trust her, because, how is she still alive? I think Epig is scum, and I doubt very much that I'm going to budge on this count.

I am currently leaning towards INH and espers being scum.

Cool beans. Still haven't seen a case against me that I comprehend, much less empathize with, but k. Right now in this game, I can't really defend myself, and none of my attacks are listened to, so I'm essentially pointless. Hence my new strategy of pointed apathy.

INH, who are your next two suspicions besides Epi?

Nothing I feel anywhere as concrete about, but bea is getting kind of inexplicable to me, and to be frank, you. I've always been kind of wary of your domineering the thread, so I looked at the voting records.

Here's your history:

Day 1 - Quin - Civilian, Wrongly Lynched
Day 2 - BWT - Civilian, Wrongly Lynched
Day 3 - N/A - SVS's day of wackiness
Day 4 - Matt - Civilian, Wrongly Lynched
Day 5 - Sorsha - Indie, Wrongly Lynched
Day 6 - Scotty - Not Scum, Nightkilled
Day 7 - Spacedaisy - Indie, Wrongly Lynched

That's not very good.

Also INH, can I see your case on Epi?

answered in it's own post

You're seriously looking at voting records?

Do me a favor, INH. Show me one living person with a good voting record. Go.

I voted INH. He dropped his vote on me, hoping to skate by again. Please end him.

I would not support a Turnip Head lynch.

I would like people to read back through INH's posts when fingersplints got lynched. He bitched about her lynch, but only when she was dead meat. He never said a word in her defense prior to that.

That's why my vote is on him.

I'm not interested in your angst-ridden series of interrogatives INH. I didn't suspect you because of Matt or 3J or anything with timmer. That was a fresh avenue of thought coming off the fingersplints lynch.

I'm not bad. My job is to work out who is, and I don't care if I have fourteen hundred failures, I'll press on, even if you think I should step back.

timmer wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.

In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.
Didn't Drumbeats vote the exact same way as TH... three times last night?
Yes? Wouldnt you like to respond to my criticisms of your vote?
Okay. I think INH is bad.
Hallelu!

timmer wrote:I'm not voting INH today I've decided that my gut is not based on enough at this stage.

That's a major turnaround, timmer. Can you explain what brought it about?

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?
What if I vote you. Is that a bad idea?

Why or why not?

Remember to fill in your bubble completely or it won't be read.
How about you tell me your current opinion on INH? You called him good.
I think you answered your own question. Do you think he is bad?

You called him good. Past tense. I asked you your current position on him. I didn't answer my own question. Only you could answer my question.

As for your question, no. My vote is on him for my health.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?
What if I vote you. Is that a bad idea?

Why or why not?

Remember to fill in your bubble completely or it won't be read.

How about you tell me your current opinion on INH? You called him good.

Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.

I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?

I voted insertnamehere.

DrumBeats wrote:Looking at INH, the timing of the FS defense is a bit odd, I agree. Because INH wasn't really convinced until just before FS was set to be lynched.

And looking back on the INH/Epi interaction - the "Nope"s seem to be about statements that are just false INH. You said I counted your self dunno, but I didn't. Just my guess on it.

Regarding Epi though, him bringing up the GTH reads makes me wonder. He has only commented on them in his case against INH. Yet, iirc, Epi was the first one to bring focus to Fingersplints yesterday. It makes me wonder if Epi brought suspicion on FS due to our GTH reads, since FS was the only one that seemed to be scumread across the board.

Because of the underlined, I didn't actually do the italicized. I just got shit going.

DrumBeats wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?
Talk to me about today's lynch.
I suspect all 4 baddies are still alive, so I'm going to try to figure out what combinations would make sense later today. Off the top of my head, I'd guess it's a mix of Daisy, Espers, Timmer, Bea, and Lorab. But that's without any actual analysis, I'll get to that in a bit.
You think all of the baddies are in the inactive camp?

I'm also in agreement with Scotty that at lease one mafia is dead, but I think it is between Eloh, Leetic, and SVS. I'm hypothesizing that the Scranton Strangler could have been involved, I doubt he was in the game that long without strangling somebody, civ or mafia.

You don't think 3J could have been bad?

insertnamehere wrote:So what we have here is the driving force and initial vote behind a civilian lynch trying to shift the blame and suspicion from himself to someone who (contrary to what he claims) genuinely tried to stop it, does everyone see this? His only two points are: He was too late to stop me from lynching a civilian, and therefore it's his fault, and he thinks DF isn't bad, so, therefore they must be in cahoots, did I get it all right? This is an absolutely barmy case, alright?

Do you think I should be lynched, INH?

DFaraday wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?
Talk to me about today's lynch.
I suspect all 4 baddies are still alive, so I'm going to try to figure out what combinations would make sense later today. Off the top of my head, I'd guess it's a mix of Daisy, Espers, Timmer, Bea, and Lorab. But that's without any actual analysis, I'll get to that in a bit.

So after the fingersplints lynch, does INH still feel genuine to you? It seems that way, since you didn't name him off the top of your head.

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

You called INH good and fingersplints bad. Any reasoning behind that?

What INH said about DFaraday:

Scotty (Good)
Enrique (Good)
DrumBeats (Good)
DFaraday (Good) - self

Turnip Head (Bad)

INH (I dunno)

No opinion then, but when the pressure came against DFaraday, INH suddenly had one.

INH- comma splicing his way through the question curse.

You were feebly trying to take the moral high ground when fingersplints got lynched. Yet you say you were "neutral" on her, and that you didn't know what the outcome would be?

Shaw.

insertnamehere wrote:wow, a seemingly random lynch with more than half of the players voting for one person, most of which saying in their posts "I just don't see a better option, so I guess out of the people who have votes, I'll go with FS," DIDN'T produce a dead baddie.

Color me shocked and awed.

Even though five people called her bad, you call her lynch seemingly random. I get you don't care about "gun to head," and neither do I, but the fact remains that five people called her bad, so it wasn't a random lynch.

I believe you knew she was good, and that you wanted her lynched. You put nothing more than a token effort to stop her lynch, and that consisted of telling spacedaisy she had seven minutes to change her vote- as though that would have done anything. You didn't make an effort to get anybody else lynched instead. You didn't try to convince anyone to not vote fingersplints. So your rant is hollow, and I'm looking right through it.

insertnamehere wrote:Then he says that he believes DF and FS are both baddie teammates, do you still believe that DF is bad, Epignosis?

Yep.

Regarding fingersplints:

INH (I dunno, feel kinda good)

DrumBeats (Bad)
Enrique (Bad)
DFaraday (Bad)
Scotty (Bad)
Turnip Head (Bad)

That's five people who called fingersplints bad. Did you voice any complaint then?

insertnamehere wrote:I like how you didn't exclude my "dunno" for myself

Nope.

What about shortly after?

insertnamehere wrote:I don't like how TH and DB are both falling back to their respective pet cases with DF and Scotty, both of whom I actually trust more than I do TH and DB.

Nope.

You didn't raise an objection to the fingersplints lynch until it was imminent.

insertnamehere wrote:aaaand now there's a weak-ass splints bandwagon. great.

Five people called fingersplints bad, and you didn't criticize or scrutinize that fact until after the votes are cast. Over an hour before that, you defended DF using intimidation:

insertnamehere wrote:If TH + Lorab get DF lynched, and he flips civ, they're gonna be my top two suspects for tomorrow.

Just putting that out there.

You didn't lift a finger in her defense until it was too late. Your "effort" is almost comical:

insertnamehere wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I'm not silenced, many apologies. I'm failing at multitasking. I voted and went to post, but at the same time I was trying to rush into the Syndicate Sim, which I am exceedingly late to, and I had some computer glitch issues at the same time which shut all my windows, so I forgot to post. Frankly I have no good reason for voting Splints. I have no good reason for anything, nor any great desire for anything. I simply tossed my vote out in an effort to not miss the vote.
we got seven minutes left in case you want to change it.

No, you were really okay with fingersplints getting lynched.

You were not okay with DFaraday getting lynched.

It's amazing to me how such little activity there is. How does anybody find out who is bad around here?

I changed my vote to fingersplints.

This is the deadest thread I have ever witnessed in the history of Mafia.

DFaraday wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
fingersplints wrote: Wouldn't you say this is a bit hypocritical though given that you are now mentioning suspicion of me after Epi pointed it out?
One big difference is though that TH asked what everyone thought on his case, and I responded... Whereas Epi mentioned me and you "latched onto it."
Not really. You were accused of latching on three separate occasions, whereas you've only brought up the once with me. Although you now say you don't suspect me, which is weird after your post indicating that my BWT vote was suspicious.
You two have danced around suspecting each other.
I've said before I think she's bad. I definitely want to hold onto my vote for self-preservation's sake though.

I voted you just to make sure.

Yep.

Votes are still changeable. Why are you holding your vote?

DFaraday wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
fingersplints wrote: Wouldn't you say this is a bit hypocritical though given that you are now mentioning suspicion of me after Epi pointed it out?
One big difference is though that TH asked what everyone thought on his case, and I responded... Whereas Epi mentioned me and you "latched onto it."
Not really. You were accused of latching on three separate occasions, whereas you've only brought up the once with me. Although you now say you don't suspect me, which is weird after your post indicating that my BWT vote was suspicious.
You two have danced around suspecting each other.
I've said before I think she's bad. I definitely want to hold onto my vote for self-preservation's sake though.

See, I think you're bad and so is she.

DFaraday wrote:
fingersplints wrote: Wouldn't you say this is a bit hypocritical though given that you are now mentioning suspicion of me after Epi pointed it out?
One big difference is though that TH asked what everyone thought on his case, and I responded... Whereas Epi mentioned me and you "latched onto it."
Not really. You were accused of latching on three separate occasions, whereas you've only brought up the once with me. Although you now say you don't suspect me, which is weird after your post indicating that my BWT vote was suspicious.

You two have danced around suspecting each other.

fingersplints wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
fingersplints wrote:One of the last games I played I was teammates with him. I'm not seeing the same game here.
What are the differences between DF's game here and the one where you were teammates?
It's more of a problem with I can't connect him to anyone else in the same way. I'm no dfaraday expert but he mentioned his teammates a lot in that game. Lots of early distancing. I feel like most of the people he is talking about this game are people who have been civs. It's little, but to me it just feels different

Does it make sense to do the same thing you did in another game? You called DF a hypocrite in one post but you're adamant that you don't suspect him. Why is that?

fingersplints wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I think they are pretty good points, and would be interested in hearing DF's response.

fingersplints wrote:I'm liking the points against Timmer. I'm not feeling like this is his civvie game, but I'm hoping it isn't that he is just busy. I find he searches for baddies more actively then this as a civvie. Something feels off.

fingersplints wrote:Epi, I think you have a point about Matt. I didn't like Matt's day 0 interactions, but I have a hard time articulating my thoughts without it seeming a bit "no u"ish.

I'm sad rabbit died without me getting a chance to vote him. I'd consider voting for Matt, but for the time being I'm going to vote leetic for now. I haven't played any Mafia this year, and I'm scared of getting modkilled for missing votes.
I'm noticing a trend here.

Regarding that last post, you were more concerned with how you would look rather than articulating your thoughts. Why?
What trend? Discussing other people's suspicions? Oh shit you caught me!

Regarding your second comment, Not true at all. I'm literally never concerned with "how I look" when posting. The last one you posted is actually me trying to say "I'd rather vote this way but I'm clearly forced to vote a certain way."

I don't see how anyone gets "I'm literally never concerned with 'how I look' when posting" from "I didn't like Matt's day 0 interactions, but I have a hard time articulating my thoughts without it seeming a bit 'no u"ish.'"

fingersplints wrote:I think they are pretty good points, and would be interested in hearing DF's response.

fingersplints wrote:I'm liking the points against Timmer. I'm not feeling like this is his civvie game, but I'm hoping it isn't that he is just busy. I find he searches for baddies more actively then this as a civvie. Something feels off.

fingersplints wrote:Epi, I think you have a point about Matt. I didn't like Matt's day 0 interactions, but I have a hard time articulating my thoughts without it seeming a bit "no u"ish.

I'm sad rabbit died without me getting a chance to vote him. I'd consider voting for Matt, but for the time being I'm going to vote leetic for now. I haven't played any Mafia this year, and I'm scared of getting modkilled for missing votes.

I'm noticing a trend here.

Regarding that last post, you were more concerned with how you would look rather than articulating your thoughts. Why?

Scotty wrote:Sorsha:
Sorsha's going to be sort of a catch-all for suspicions, because I think she definitely had times where she seemed civ and some where she seemed Mafia. I would say that civs and Mafia alike could have used her as a scapegoat because she was playing both sides. But let's look at the patterns with her:

Epi votes Sorsha early. Sorsha has been the target of Epi's ire for a few days now.
I'm going to do a quick segue way because I stumbled upon a few things in looking through Epi's post history..
Epignosis wrote:Serge is bad.

Serge wrote:I do think JJJ and Quin are both at the same team.

Quin feels like he's on the forefront of scumhunting but what I feel he's doing is intentional chaotic brewing of the mechanics and roles stew. That post, #savemepandanderin (as if hashtags weren't bad enough) serves just to confuse people. Since it's been given the go ahead by Dom, it means his role is not at all connected with Pam and Erin, but in the off chance that it'll plant the seeds of doubt on anyone's mind that he is indeed related to them, he took that chance. Also, it is pure nonsense in the context of the game to post and I can only see someone as scum would make the effort to do.

JJJ on the other hand, GTH is quite uncharacteristic of you. You also forgave Quin. Also, bad vibes. I don't feel Superman JJJ right now, but Lex Luthor JJJ. Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor.
"GTH is quite uncharacteristic of you."

That's bad distancing, folks.
This was from day 4. Do you still think serge is bad? You seem very sure. Are you still sure?

Sure? I always seem sure.

Serge quit. If he's bad and not sending in Night actions, excellent- he's not priority. I'm okay with his lynch regardless. I say if nothing solid comes up for Day 6, lynch Serge.

Scotty wrote: I'm gonna ask this of you again:
Epignosis wrote:I am of the opinion that 3J was bad.

Who among you was going to mount the charge against him?

Required reading.

I'm going hunting for his teammates.
What evidence makes you feel like JJJ is bad, and Mafia would kill him. I can sorta understand an SVS kill, but JJJ looked uber civ to me. Please please please use your big boy words and not just post songs from the overrated Band Kansas?

You are musically ignorant. You win a prize:

As for 3J, when does he not look "uber civ" to you? His independent claim was a way to skirt the inevitable, "Why haven't you been killed yet?" It was a plot. A scheme. I saw through it.

I'm silenced, k?

Enrique wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Did you guys know I didn't vote for Gabe?
I need to hear some strong opinions from this man.
Kansas is the greatest rock and roll band ever.

Keep 'em coming.

Enrique wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Did you guys know I didn't vote for Gabe?
I need to hear some strong opinions from this man.

Kansas is the greatest rock and roll band ever.

Did you guys know I didn't vote for Gabe?

I'm not budging from my spot.

News flash: 3J was bad. I believe that.

juliets wrote:Epignosis and Bea - what are your reasons for voting Sorsha? Did either of you do a case and I missed it or were there just enough reasons you saw in the thread?

I see why people are voting for timmer but I'm worried his lacking is due to RL so I don't especially want to vote him.

There are others to consider but these two are the leading vote getters at this time.

RIP indiglo. You may have been bad but I wasn't seeing yet. Hopefully see you next game.

It's tough to make a "case" against fifteen posts, but I'll pull the exchange I had with her:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

Sorsha wrote:How is saying I'm keeping an eye on TH throwing him under the bus? When reading his defense of SVS my mind immediately went to AWR where he staunchly refused to believe she was bad even though evidence pointed to it. Here it didn't even seem like he was considering her to be bad... which he would have no way of knowing that was the case, unless he was bad.
If I'm reading this correctly, Sorsha suspects Turnip Head, but the reasons she's providing- in my mind- would be points in his favor, not against him. Unless Sorsha is supposing two mafia teams (which I see no evidence of, because of what I highlighted in yellow), how does Turnip Head's opinion of S~V~S in a game when they were on opposing factions have any negative bearing on him here? In a two-mafia world, you're all hunters and it helps to figure out the other competition.

Sorsha wrote:And how do we both know that she wasn't bad? I don't want to be hung up on was she/ wasn't she since I don't see a way to find out for sure at this point, but it is possible she was bad. I don't think it's as far fetched as some people seem to be thinking. I don't know if SVS was bad or not. Do you bea?
In the red text, Sorsha asserts that if S~V~S were a civilian, then Turnip Head is her #1 suspect (which I don't understand, since Turnip Head would have been right about it). Yet Sorsha is unconvinced that the killed S~V~S was a civilian. What does this do to her position on Turnip Head? She doesn't say.

Epignosis wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I was at the beach all day. I took a good shower, but I'm still finding sand and bits of shell in my crevices.

Sorsha wrote:I'm not going to reply to every single person who has a problem believing that svs might have been bad & killed by her own team. Maybe it makes more sense to me because I was on a baddie team who did that exact thing in the past It wouldn't be a dumb idea.

My suspicion of TH relied solely on how svs would flip at lynch so at this point I have no suspicion of TH. I never know what to think when it comes to Matt. I didn't see anything wrong when looking through indiglo' posts, since bea asked me about her, except that her suspicions seemed pretty safe to me- finding the usual suspects that everyone else is talking about suspicious but nothing beyond that. Looking at splints it seemed like most of her posts are giving info about the tv show and how it might reflect into role/team mechanics and also a few safe suspicions. Didn't get to lorab or anyone else yet.

I think I'm going to vote for inh I noticed he finds me suspicious but he hadn't said why, unless I missed it. I have the feeling it's because I named him earlier + the adversity to my thoughts about svs? I dunno. He could let me know I guess.

I'll vote inh for now, not sure if I'll be back later tonight or not. I've got a lot going on this weekend & tomorrow. Tomorrow is my birthday so who knows when I'll be around.
You dropped that line right on top of a big paragraph about other things. I'm not satisfied. Your suspicion of Turnip Head was, according to you, based on S~V~S getting lynched. That didn't happen, because she got killed. Ninety times out of a hundred, killed people are good people. You now say you have "no suspicion" of Turnip Head. I do not see how that follows.
I even said back then if svs flips civ then I would suspect th, not that I actually suspected th at that time.

I don't get what is hard to understand about that.
Mmm. Let's see.

Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

Sorsha wrote:How is saying I'm keeping an eye on TH throwing him under the bus? When reading his defense of SVS my mind immediately went to AWR where he staunchly refused to believe she was bad even though evidence pointed to it. Here it didn't even seem like he was considering her to be bad... which he would have no way of knowing that was the case, unless he was bad.

And how do we both know that she wasn't bad? I don't want to be hung up on was she/ wasn't she since I don't see a way to find out for sure at this point, but it is possible she was bad. I don't think it's as far fetched as some people seem to be thinking. I don't know if SVS was bad or not. Do you bea?
If you didn't suspect Turnip Head, then there was no reason to bring him up in this context.

What's your take on this, juliets?

I want to lynch Sorsha, but apparently making three posts getting her to expand upon her thought process was harping on the subject.

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I'm also starting to grow worried about our under the radar players. DF, Enrique, INH, Daisy, timmer... these are all people I don't lean one way or the other on, and haven't looked closely at. Everyone is on the table as a suspect right now.

Turnip Head wrote:Scotty, if you really truly suspect Matt I think you should put your money where your mouth is, put your low poster crusade on pause and vote for him. Let's see what kind of support it generates.
Mmm hmm.
I don't get it.

Just harping on your inconsistency.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm also starting to grow worried about our under the radar players. DF, Enrique, INH, Daisy, timmer... these are all people I don't lean one way or the other on, and haven't looked closely at. Everyone is on the table as a suspect right now.

Turnip Head wrote:Scotty, if you really truly suspect Matt I think you should put your money where your mouth is, put your low poster crusade on pause and vote for him. Let's see what kind of support it generates.

Mmm hmm.

Turnip Head wrote:RIP indiglo.

Serge, I know you've mentioned Epi once or twice, but looking at your post history, 90% of your posts are about game mechanics and roles. This is my warning to you that when I see that sort of ratio, I assume the player is less willing to talk about players and suspicions. So... if you're a civ, you should stop doing that :P

I need to review my opinion on Scotty in light of Matt's flip and I want to look at Sorsha and Epignosis. On first read through it did seem like Sorsha was being inconsistent re: her thoughts on me and how they related to SVS, and then she stuck to that inconsistency when Epi called her on it, as if unwilling to say her thought process was wrong... but I also got the feeling that Epi was harping on that inconsistency a little too much, so I need to wrap my head around that whole situation.

When three posts = harping on.

Serge wrote:Weak sauce.

Says the guy who thinks he can nail mafia by night polls.

I'm voting either you or Sorsha today.

Sorsha wrote:That is showing exactly what I am talking about Epi.... IF svs were lynched and came back civ I'd be looking at him. She wasn't lynched so it's the end of that story.

Turnip Head is either bad or he isn't- his alignment isn't dependent upon S~V~S getting lynched.

Sorsha wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I was at the beach all day. I took a good shower, but I'm still finding sand and bits of shell in my crevices.

Sorsha wrote:I'm not going to reply to every single person who has a problem believing that svs might have been bad & killed by her own team. Maybe it makes more sense to me because I was on a baddie team who did that exact thing in the past It wouldn't be a dumb idea.

My suspicion of TH relied solely on how svs would flip at lynch so at this point I have no suspicion of TH. I never know what to think when it comes to Matt. I didn't see anything wrong when looking through indiglo' posts, since bea asked me about her, except that her suspicions seemed pretty safe to me- finding the usual suspects that everyone else is talking about suspicious but nothing beyond that. Looking at splints it seemed like most of her posts are giving info about the tv show and how it might reflect into role/team mechanics and also a few safe suspicions. Didn't get to lorab or anyone else yet.

I think I'm going to vote for inh I noticed he finds me suspicious but he hadn't said why, unless I missed it. I have the feeling it's because I named him earlier + the adversity to my thoughts about svs? I dunno. He could let me know I guess.

I'll vote inh for now, not sure if I'll be back later tonight or not. I've got a lot going on this weekend & tomorrow. Tomorrow is my birthday so who knows when I'll be around.
You dropped that line right on top of a big paragraph about other things. I'm not satisfied. Your suspicion of Turnip Head was, according to you, based on S~V~S getting lynched. That didn't happen, because she got killed. Ninety times out of a hundred, killed people are good people. You now say you have "no suspicion" of Turnip Head. I do not see how that follows.
I even said back then if svs flips civ then I would suspect th, not that I actually suspected th at that time.

I don't get what is hard to understand about that.

Mmm. Let's see.

Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

Sorsha wrote:How is saying I'm keeping an eye on TH throwing him under the bus? When reading his defense of SVS my mind immediately went to AWR where he staunchly refused to believe she was bad even though evidence pointed to it. Here it didn't even seem like he was considering her to be bad... which he would have no way of knowing that was the case, unless he was bad.

And how do we both know that she wasn't bad? I don't want to be hung up on was she/ wasn't she since I don't see a way to find out for sure at this point, but it is possible she was bad. I don't think it's as far fetched as some people seem to be thinking. I don't know if SVS was bad or not. Do you bea?

If you didn't suspect Turnip Head, then there was no reason to bring him up in this context.

I was at the beach all day. I took a good shower, but I'm still finding sand and bits of shell in my crevices.

Sorsha wrote:I'm not going to reply to every single person who has a problem believing that svs might have been bad & killed by her own team. Maybe it makes more sense to me because I was on a baddie team who did that exact thing in the past It wouldn't be a dumb idea.

My suspicion of TH relied solely on how svs would flip at lynch so at this point I have no suspicion of TH. I never know what to think when it comes to Matt. I didn't see anything wrong when looking through indiglo' posts, since bea asked me about her, except that her suspicions seemed pretty safe to me- finding the usual suspects that everyone else is talking about suspicious but nothing beyond that. Looking at splints it seemed like most of her posts are giving info about the tv show and how it might reflect into role/team mechanics and also a few safe suspicions. Didn't get to lorab or anyone else yet.

I think I'm going to vote for inh I noticed he finds me suspicious but he hadn't said why, unless I missed it. I have the feeling it's because I named him earlier + the adversity to my thoughts about svs? I dunno. He could let me know I guess.

I'll vote inh for now, not sure if I'll be back later tonight or not. I've got a lot going on this weekend & tomorrow. Tomorrow is my birthday so who knows when I'll be around.

You dropped that line right on top of a big paragraph about other things. I'm not satisfied. Your suspicion of Turnip Head was, according to you, based on S~V~S getting lynched. That didn't happen, because she got killed. Ninety times out of a hundred, killed people are good people. You now say you have "no suspicion" of Turnip Head. I do not see how that follows.

I voted Sorsha ha ha

Civilians are going to lose this one.

I'm voting Matt, Scotty, Sorsha, or Serge.

Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

Sorsha wrote:How is saying I'm keeping an eye on TH throwing him under the bus? When reading his defense of SVS my mind immediately went to AWR where he staunchly refused to believe she was bad even though evidence pointed to it. Here it didn't even seem like he was considering her to be bad... which he would have no way of knowing that was the case, unless he was bad.

If I'm reading this correctly, Sorsha suspects Turnip Head, but the reasons she's providing- in my mind- would be points in his favor, not against him. Unless Sorsha is supposing two mafia teams (which I see no evidence of, because of what I highlighted in yellow), how does Turnip Head's opinion of S~V~S in a game when they were on opposing factions have any negative bearing on him here? In a two-mafia world, you're all hunters and it helps to figure out the other competition.

Sorsha wrote:And how do we both know that she wasn't bad? I don't want to be hung up on was she/ wasn't she since I don't see a way to find out for sure at this point, but it is possible she was bad. I don't think it's as far fetched as some people seem to be thinking. I don't know if SVS was bad or not. Do you bea?

In the red text, Sorsha asserts that if S~V~S were a civilian, then Turnip Head is her #1 suspect (which I don't understand, since Turnip Head would have been right about it). Yet Sorsha is unconvinced that the killed S~V~S was a civilian. What does this do to her position on Turnip Head? She doesn't say.

I'm down with that. Scotty?

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