The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:But, seriously... you were lying about knowing what Quin was talking about.

Because you're bad.

I'm not lying about anything.

If I am wrong about what Quin realized at the precise time he realized it, then it's a coincidence.

Long Con wrote:Waiting for half an hour to hear some honest Civ-sounding explanations really doesn't impress me.

In my mind I can see Scotty and Epi talking in BTSC about how to handle this.

Well your mind isn't worth two Canadian pennies this game.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
juliets wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Can we also discuss how weird the Quin NK was, especially considering he would probably be a top candidate for today?

Feels like an odd choice to me.
I agree. He received the second most votes and I would have seen him as a top lynch candidate for today. He did mention he knew who the denim suit was and I think someone said earlier maybe he was killed because he knew at least one other civ for sure. His most consistent suspicion looking at his late posts seemed to have been Boomslang. I posted about Booms earlier and right now am not considering a vote there. He also made a somewhat cryptic post that was something like "I just realized a thing. Not something I want to share". (sorry for not pulling the quote but I think my paraphrase is pretty close). don't know if maybe that meant something to someone.
I know what thing he realized and I'm not sharing either.
Actually, I'm pretty sure I know the thing he realized, and there's no way you would know it.

That would be a funny little coincidence then.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:My concern with lynching Made is that he voted 3J Day 2. If he wanted to protect Wilgy, he had the avenue of precedent to vote 3J Day 3. He did not do this.
Epi who do you think is bad?

My vote is probably going to one of you, INH, LC, or Sorsha.

Yes, I realize Sorsha looks like an odd pick, but here's what I see:

Sorsha wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: Back in game-land, I do find it odd that people aren't agreeing with my case, but failing to raise any real points against it, or suggesting a practical alternative.
It's a well thought out case but what it comes down to for me is: If llama is bad why would he go after me like that? He would know I'm civ and what good would going balls to the wall and lynching a civ like that on day one do?

I am confident I can imagine an evil llama going after a civilian lynch victim Day 1 and getting away with it.

The underlined is a little confusing: Why would evil llama knowing someone is a civilian change the fact that he wants to lynch civilians?

This is all she said about DDL:

Sorsha wrote:I have the worst feels for the following people:

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

Scotty- I don't like how he so easily jumped on llamas case on me. It was still day zero and he was already prepping to jump on a Sorsha lynch-train. Very unlike Scotty who is normally a low/no poster voter, especially day one.

DDL- maybe he's just busy but he was a big poster early in ASOUE as a civ and hasn't been yet here. He's been here but like Epi pointed out, hasn't said much.

A Person, blooper, Eloh- no content but have posted

Sorsha wrote:Voting DDL to break the tie again! So much fun

Let me ask everyone this: You're bad with DDL. He's getting votes but isn't around for whatever reason. Even if he were to survive and make it to Day 2, would he still not be a top candidate for the lynch? In other words, his days would be numbered. If you are bad, do you try to keep him around or do you try to salvage some credibility from his death?

In terms of the successful lynches, Sorsha has a nearly perfect record, voting at precisely the right time. Nobody at all is suspecting her.

So why haven't the Mafia tried to kill her yet?

Addendum: And holy crap there she is.

My concern with lynching Made is that he voted 3J Day 2. If he wanted to protect Wilgy, he had the avenue of precedent to vote 3J Day 3. He did not do this.

juliets wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Can we also discuss how weird the Quin NK was, especially considering he would probably be a top candidate for today?

Feels like an odd choice to me.
I agree. He received the second most votes and I would have seen him as a top lynch candidate for today. He did mention he knew who the denim suit was and I think someone said earlier maybe he was killed because he knew at least one other civ for sure. His most consistent suspicion looking at his late posts seemed to have been Boomslang. I posted about Booms earlier and right now am not considering a vote there. He also made a somewhat cryptic post that was something like "I just realized a thing. Not something I want to share". (sorry for not pulling the quote but I think my paraphrase is pretty close). don't know if maybe that meant something to someone.

I know what thing he realized and I'm not sharing either.

I don't see what's tricky about it. The smarter Day 3 move for me in the scenario you are describing would have been to vote for Wilgy too, but I voted for the independent.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I wouldn't have thrown DDL under the bus. Not twice. In retrospect I feel bad about doing it the first time.
I want to get off Mr Bones' Wild Meta Ride.

Wouldn't = / = didn't.

Epignosis wrote:I don't know why Scotty has to name the only two possibilities that exist: Either I am good or I am bad.

What else could I be?
Exactly. It was more of a stream of consciousness. I thought you were indie at worst as the Jean Genie, but because the only one with secrets has died, I don't think it was you. That and I've been conveniently lumping you in with civvies because you made the DDL case.

What's convenient about that? Why is it harder to believe that I'm a civilian than it is to believe I am bad?

There are two deceivers in the poll above. Two. Can you name any?

Well Scotty isn't here right now.

LC, why were you so sure of 3J, and why were you so sure of llama, and why should anybody give a good goddamn about keeping you around?

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Either Epi is another civ that I am about to go after a la Downton Abbey, or he is baddie McBadderson. If he is bad, he bussed DDL early without any qualms. Impossible? No, more likely than other options. But still a quandary
Another gripe.

What other civilians did you go after "a la Downton Abbey?" Please explain that to me.
I thought he was talking about going after Civ Epi in Downton Abbey.

That's what I thought too, but that's not what his sentence actually says.

I will strangle you with your own syntax, Scotty.

Get in here and answer my punctuated questions before I get my period and put a semi up your colon.

Scotty wrote:Either Epi is another civ that I am about to go after a la Downton Abbey, or he is baddie McBadderson. If he is bad, he bussed DDL early without any qualms. Impossible? No, more likely than other options. But still a quandary

Another gripe.

What other civilians did you go after "a la Downton Abbey?" Please explain that to me.

Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That water slide actually did kill a kid a while back.
Oh. I was not aware of that. I youtubed "extreme water slide", which is how I found that one.

Indeed.

Scotty wrote:Either Epi is another civ that I am about to go after a la Downton Abbey, or he is baddie McBadderson. If he is bad, he bussed DDL early without any qualms. Impossible? No, more likely than other options. But still a quandary

What are the other options? Please list them for me.

And why are they less likely than me throwing DDL under the bus?

I don't know why Scotty has to name the only two possibilities that exist: Either I am good or I am bad.

What else could I be?

I wouldn't have thrown DDL under the bus. Not twice. In retrospect I feel bad about doing it the first time.

That water slide actually did kill a kid a while back.

I don't fault people for believing in what they believe and being gung-ho about it. That happens all the time. My problem is the why. Why were people so sure llama was bad? I didn't see it.

I mean, that fucked up our perfect record man.

Mongoose wrote:
A Person wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Thanks, Epi! Always the egneteeggplant
Epi the eggplant

It almost looks like I had a Vomps Moment. I have no idea why that happened.

I'm a wizard.

Long Con wrote: I'm so, so sorry Llama. I'm sorry everybody. Don't ever listen to me again.

I wish I had the strength right now to hurl abuse at you.

Mongoose wrote:And yes, I saw it was 70+ hours for this day period, and that is just simply inexcusable on my part.

Perfectly excusable.

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry for missing the vote. A member of my family had a meltdown and that needed addressing.
Who would you have voted?

I get that's normally a useful question, but I don't know. Sorry.

I'm sorry for missing the vote. A member of my family had a meltdown and that needed addressing.

I don't know who is who or which way is up.

Mongoose. What the hell?

Secret power is to fuck with host posts.

Mongoose wrote:DrWilgy has been lynched. He was The Skort.

Once and for all.

Jhorts - Can block a player.
Skort - It's a skort!

Dragon D. Luffy - lynched Day 1 (JnCo)
DrWilgy - lynched Day 3 (Jhorts)

Okay, LC, what the hell?

What the hell?

Quin wrote:
Long Con wrote:Quin, what do you think of me?
I think you could have been buddying me earlier on. If llama is correct about his theory that one of you, me, or INH are bad, I'd probably say it was you. Outside of that, I think you're civ, but just not as likely to be as INH.

On the matter of llama, Epi pointed out something along the lines of him being civ based on Wilgy's decision to defend DDL instead of him. If llama was the role blocker, then Wilgy chose to protect the scum doctor over the role blocker or overalls. Before I would have leaned turned my read around on llama based on the direction Wilgy went there, but now knowing the doctors full power, I'd say it makes sense to protect DDL over the role blocker or overalls if they were both bad.

And as Scotty said, if he's hinting at being the Denim Shirt, he'd survive today.

Wilgy was the blocker, as LC pointed out. I had the roles confused.

Dom wrote:Hello all--

I've received word that Mongoose has lost power and will not be able to post on time. When she has power, she will post ASAP. Thank you for your patience here. We heart u

Damn. First she gets confused and now she has her ability blocked.

Stop targeting the host, people!

If it's llama's ass y'all want, take it. I'm not going to vote there, but I'm not going to obstruct it. If he's bad, great. If he's not, then you lynched a silenced person who can't say one thing in his favor and should stand in the corner. I don't mind lynching someone who is silenced if there is good evidence to do so and/or only one mafia left, but I don't feel like I can check either box.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I mistook one of juliets' posts for another, that's why I missed a few in between.
Guess they all look the same when you don't really read them.

I read them.

Also, sorry juliets.

I mistook one of juliets' posts for another, that's why I missed a few in between.

I like nijuu's confidence there. I suppose I take a different interpretation of llama's posts, but I'm interested to see where this goes.

Apparently I missed more than that. I don't know how that happened.

Damn I just realized too that I missed juliets' big ass post up there.

Let's do it this way: llama's bad. Who's his partner?

Well, I just noticed llama has three votes now. I don't have any interest in defending him when I had the role abilities wrong. I don't think I'll vote for him though. If he's bad, he's got a partner in one of you.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:You think the Day 1 lynch was between a pair of teammates, and Wilgy chose to try to save their protector instead of either their blocker or Overalls.
Wilgy WAS their blocker.

You are correct. I got Jhorts and Skorts mixed up.

That does weaken my defense of the llama significantly.

Okay. So LC:

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:May as well make one.

*votes thellama73*
So...

You think the Day 1 lynch was between a pair of teammates, and Wilgy chose to try to save their protector instead of either their blocker or Overalls.

I am inclined to believe that a mafia protector role exists for a reason. There is a secret for the civilians, there is a secret role, and there are prizes going out. It only makes sense that there is a threat to the mafia in another form than lynches, unless the protection extends to lynches the following Day, which, given that Mongoose is giving those out like Halloween candy, makes sense to me.

So is that what you believe happened Day 1?

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:What would llama's objective be in posting that about 3J? I mean gosh, if you're bad and the pitchforks are raised against 3J, you don't fight that (well, maybe I would, heh). thellama73 could have left that alone (assuming his remarks were influential) and used their Night kill for somebody else.

Epignosis wrote:(well, maybe I would, heh)
Ok, let's say you would, and pretend you did. What would your objective be?
I appreciate the competition. The kills we've seen would suggest that the mafia has no time for head games.
What about the idea that a baddie Llama would have known JJJ was Civ, and seeks cred for trying to save him?

Has anyone given him any credit for that? Do you think llama would have assumed anyone would give him credit for that?

Your posts are giving me the impression that you are working from a conclusion and trying to find premises that get you there.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:What would llama's objective be in posting that about 3J? I mean gosh, if you're bad and the pitchforks are raised against 3J, you don't fight that (well, maybe I would, heh). thellama73 could have left that alone (assuming his remarks were influential) and used their Night kill for somebody else.

Epignosis wrote:(well, maybe I would, heh)
Ok, let's say you would, and pretend you did. What would your objective be?

I appreciate the competition. The kills we've seen would suggest that the mafia has no time for head games.

What would llama's objective be in posting that about 3J? I mean gosh, if you're bad and the pitchforks are raised against 3J, you don't fight that (well, maybe I would, heh). thellama73 could have left that alone (assuming his remarks were influential) and used their Night kill for somebody else.

juliets wrote:Epignosis, what are you thinking about where your vote might go today?

One of them there people I didn't say I wasn't gonna vote.

Long Con wrote:And Juliets, as for my non-suspicion of Epi... I can't really remember anything specific and concrete, I just remember being struck by certain posts and thought processes he's put forth as very Civvish. Would evil Epi jump on replacing Civ Eloh so sharply? Maybe. I just think he's Civ.

Replacing a what Eloh?

Long Con wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Man, the JJJ kill has me in utter WIFOM knots over LC. It's an obvious setup move, but maybe that's a risk the baddies were willing to take to lift suspicion from him while pivoting to llama... Sigh. Honestly, I don't have any reason not to vote Quin again. Maybe I can get some momentum from people who don't want to lynch a silent llama?

Linki w/LC: It's possible he's Denim Shirt, but come on, "the fact that I'm still alive is off-putting"? Why would he include that if he knew he wouldn't be lynched after the vote? Trying to draw votes that could otherwise be used to lynch baddies is not a civ behavior.
Quin has had lots of suspicion all game. If he didn't get lynched by today, then his only ace in the hole is lost, useless. I can understand the angle of pushing the suspicion early in order to get off the hook.

I mean, jesus... the guy already survived one lynch.

Did he?

juliets wrote:Long Con what do you think about Made? What do the rest of you think about Made (except Epi, I already know what you think).

I am not likely to vote llama today because he appears to be silenced. I don't vote for people who are silenced unless I feel confident in their guilt and I am far from confidant about llama.

Made was relevant in the Wilgy lynch in an unexpected way.

Day 2:

JaggedJimmyJ
6
Boomslang (8), Quin (10), insertnamehere (12), Sorsha (13), Long Con (15), Made (16) 35%

Day 3:

DrWilgy
8
Scotty (4), thellama73 (7), Boomslang (8), Sorsha (10), nijuukyugou (11), Made (12), Elohcin (14), Metalmarsh89 (15) 53%

JaggedJimmyJay
3
Long Con (2), insertnamehere (6), Quin (9) 20%

Instead of sticking with his Day 2 vote and making it 5-4, Made made (heh) the deficit against Wilgy harder to come back against. Here's what Made said:

Made wrote:Do we know ties=no lynch?

thellama73 wrote:@Made, yes we know that.

Made wrote:Won't vote JJJ because doing so making it possible for Wilgy or someone else to tie it up so voting Wilgy. I don't really see what's there, but a lynch is better than no lynch.

Made's concern was that a lynch happened, even if he didn't agree with the outcome. He could have easily stuck with his 3J vote and tried to keep Wilgy alive. I think that is a strong point in Made's favor.

In the scenario where Made is bad, it would mean he saw the ship sailing on his teammate, and so he threw a vote down for credibility, pretending to care about ties creating a no-lynch situation. That's just not what I see when I look at the timing of his posts.

u fine boo

Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:My understanding is that a protect only works against kills. Are you saying the protect works against all Night actions?

I lay it out there like this:

Jnco protects Hedgeowl. Nevinera targets Hedgeowl with a kill and Clover targets Hedgeowl with a silence the same Night. Does:

A) Hedgeowl die?
B) Hedgeowl survive but is silenced?
C) Hedgeowl survive but is not silenced?
D) None of the above?
C

Again, sorry I made this difficult, that was not my intention.

Awesome.

Did the mafia know that?

My understanding is that a protect only works against kills. Are you saying the protect works against all Night actions?

I lay it out there like this:

Jnco protects Hedgeowl. Nevinera targets Hedgeowl with a kill and Clover targets Hedgeowl with a silence the same Night. Does:

A) Hedgeowl die?
B) Hedgeowl survive but is silenced?
C) Hedgeowl survive but is not silenced?
D) None of the above?

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