The Syndicate

I note that lapuie was "lynched," and not "vanished."

Awesome.

Here Charlie is playing golf:

I'm tempted to spam this thread with Charlie Blackmon home runs.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:08 pm EOD is past my bedtime in this game so is anyone thinking we should do something else besides vote lap?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:18 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:12 am My point is this: If you want to keep lapuie around before endgame, what is your reason?
I never said I wanted to, I said I was fine with the lynch. Was just weirded out by what you said.

This whole avenue was just a dumb circle, so yes let us move on

We could argue to the extent that I get you lynched.

My point is this: If you want to keep lapuie around before endgame, what is your reason?

Look:

1. lapluie isn't contributing, so she won't vote when it's necessary to do so
2. The host has a somewhat replacement
3. There's evidence the MacDougall kill was poorly thought out
4. I'm not bad
5. Neither is anybody else
6. Can we get on with our lives?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:01 am On top of that, it should ALWAYS be presumed the hosts intentions are neutral and non alignment indicative. Assumptions as such can be right but they can also be wrong

I've seen too many counterexamples to make that presumption.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:58 pm Not to say it looks like I’m defending lapluie. I’m just saying how you’re acting is....odd

How is it odd? What would my regular behavior look like in comparison?

To say something has "run it's course" means it should be over with and it isn't.

I take that to mean this is over with but isn't because lapluie is still around.

Show of hands?

Especially when he has a replacement ready to go?

What is speedchuck's motivation at saying:

" I am uncertain whether to do this or just let things run their course. "

?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:06 pm Colonialbob is available to replace Lapluie, albeit at low effort since he won't be around at certain times.

I am uncertain whether to do this or just let things run their course.
The fact that you're asking confirms lapluie is bad. Let us lynch her.
Flawed logic at its finest

The fact that you just said "flawed logic at its finest" says plenty.

I think doing so even ends this. Super.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:06 pm Colonialbob is available to replace Lapluie, albeit at low effort since he won't be around at certain times.

I am uncertain whether to do this or just let things run their course.

The fact that you're asking confirms lapluie is bad. Let us lynch her.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:38 pm I trust you like I trust Mac’s mother-in-law

You should trust women you sleep with.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:42 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:37 pm I could see lap being bad at this point buuuuut I could also tinfoil and see Epignosis pushing a narrative involving an inactive scumteam he doesn’t believe in and setting up for the world’s easiest mislynch of someone who isn’t even here
And where do I go from there?

I get lapluie lynched. Vanish Spacedaisy.

Then I get sprityo lynched. Vanish Scotty.

It's then me, you, Kylemii, and Juliets.

How is that working out for me?

Bitches, I think ahead.
But...but that’s mafia.

Keeping basically townfirmed people alive makes sense when you imagine the mafia is trying to navigate 3 potential doctors.

Killed Quin, who was cop, killed one of the doctors yesterday.

I remember you poo-pooing the mafia for killing Mac last night, but I think it a great strategic kill.

You thinking ahead is killing someone every night. I don’t see why you’re patting yourself on the back here

First of all, the civilians are playing poorly if NOBODY is going to track me, watch me, whatever me at any point. Let's get that out of the way.

I am an absolute strategist when I am evil. All of the "doctors" here are within the realm of lynching. Mac could be lynched. I could be lynched. You could be with effort (because you're Scotty

).

No, the move was ignorant.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:42 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:37 pm I could see lap being bad at this point buuuuut I could also tinfoil and see Epignosis pushing a narrative involving an inactive scumteam he doesn’t believe in and setting up for the world’s easiest mislynch of someone who isn’t even here
And where do I go from there?

I get lapluie lynched. Vanish Spacedaisy.

Then I get sprityo lynched. Vanish Scotty.

It's then me, you, Kylemii, and Juliets.

How is that working out for me?

Bitches, I think ahead.
This is either one of those posts I’m not going to think about when the game is over, or one of those posts I’m going to think of right as I fall asleep that stop me from ever obtaining a modicum of peace.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:37 pm I could see lap being bad at this point buuuuut I could also tinfoil and see Epignosis pushing a narrative involving an inactive scumteam he doesn’t believe in and setting up for the world’s easiest mislynch of someone who isn’t even here

And where do I go from there?

I get lapluie lynched. Vanish Spacedaisy.

Then I get sprityo lynched. Vanish Scotty.

It's then me, you, Kylemii, and Juliets.

How is that working out for me?

Bitches, I think ahead.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:26 pm This lap lynch feels too easy.

Any lynch people agree on is going to feel "too easy."

I still like the lapluie vote. She said specifically that she can't catch up. That doesn't preclude sending in Night actions, which doesn't take long to do. Look at the poll, and pick somebody. A MacDougall pick also gels with the idea that someone isn't paying close attention.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:45 pm Lol I followed what you meant.

It's the purple. I thought I was talking to juliets.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:41 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:07 pm I still feel like the mention tag is bad.

Regarding sprityo, I spent about ten minutes writing an argument against him, only to realize I read something he said wrong, and so I got rid of everything. I was pissed too, because I thought for once I was on to something hot.
So you don’t feel like he is bad any longer or you just don’t have the same reason you thought you had before?
My thought was that he used a track on Spacedaisy Night 3, which would be super dumb, when he could have used it on me. Turns out, he used it on Night 2. I still think it was a poor use, but not nearly as poor.

Again, I'd vote for him and hope to get lucky. My main suspects at this stage are lapluie and Colin, and I've contributed a vote to the former.

And I'm talking to Spacedaisy.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:07 pm I still feel like the mention tag is bad.

Regarding sprityo, I spent about ten minutes writing an argument against him, only to realize I read something he said wrong, and so I got rid of everything. I was pissed too, because I thought for once I was on to something hot.
So you don’t feel like he is bad any longer or you just don’t have the same reason you thought you had before?

My thought was that he used a track on Spacedaisy Night 3, which would be super dumb, when he could have used it on me. Turns out, he used it on Night 2. I still think it was a poor use, but not nearly as poor.

Again, I'd vote for him and hope to get lucky. My main suspects at this stage are lapluie and Colin, and I've contributed a vote to the former.

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

I still feel like the mention tag is bad.

Regarding sprityo, I spent about ten minutes writing an argument against him, only to realize I read something he said wrong, and so I got rid of everything. I was pissed too, because I thought for once I was on to something hot.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:36 pm Thanks sprit. I don't remember ever seeing such a role before.

Also, I meant to say before that I am in agreement with trying to find someone that Scotty, Daisy and I can agree on. With that in mind I'm going to read Kyle, lap and Epi. I hope they didn't post as often as Golden.

No worries. I've been lazy.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:51 pm
But someone is sending in kills, so I’d err on the side of lynching someone active for now
Why can't lapluie send in kills?
You think she’s just actively be inactive?

I don't understand the question.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:51 pm
But someone is sending in kills, so I’d err on the side of lynching someone active for now

Why can't lapluie send in kills?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:39 pmUh, *Kyle is

Reported.

*there hasn't been anything

Kylemii inhabits a neutral zone for me, because he asks a lot of neutral questions and usually ends up finding the answer himself. I'm trying to go over how an evil Kylemii could use his BTSC with Turnip Head to his advantage, and I'm coming up short, but even then Kylemii has never struck me as a terribly manipulative sort.

I would vote Kylemii in hopes of getting lucky (which is what I've basically been doing this whole time), but there's been anything that makes me want to vote for him.

sig was probably bad then.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:00 pm I’ll give you that my role can easily suit any alignment, but I don’t quite get why you think a mafia doctor is unlikely if there are other vanishings happening (INH).

That happened during the Day. A traditional doctor couldn't have prevented that.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:34 pm omg he was actually telling the truth
I don’t get it man.

The apparent existence of multiple doctors has made me disinterested in whether or not you could be lying about your role, as some have suggested. I have no problems believing a second predictor exists.

None of that speaks to your alignment, which is where my interests lie.

A doctor in this particular setup, from everything we've seen, would have zero utility on a mafia team. A guy who can increase his voting power would be.

The other thing of note is that removing MacDougall was not an optimal choice. If the mafia are going into the endgame with three civilians in juliets, Spacedaisy, and Scotty, all of whom are unlikely to be lynched before them, then what made MacDougall an attractive target? It doesn't seem very well thought out to me. I've had to accept over the years that people aren't perfect, and don't always make the right decisions when it comes to elimination candidates.

Colin, you wear MP's quote down there as a badge of honor.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:31 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:14 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:03 pm I am bored. Please don't kill me. I need this.
You won't die.
... you lied to me.
You didn't die. You vanished.
Case and point.

What did you do last night Epi?

Apparently nothing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:14 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:03 pm I am bored. Please don't kill me. I need this.
You won't die.
... you lied to me.

You didn't die. You vanished.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:03 pm I am bored. Please don't kill me. I need this.

You won't die.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:24 am Everything you said sounded like you were accusing Epignosis of being a complete asshole Golden.
Not a complete asshole.

Yeah, I'm done.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.

Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.

Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.

I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Ok well:

Exactly what instances were scotty and I not on the same page?
Exactly how little effort did we put in?
Exactly what effort do you expect?
Why do you expect that effort? What do you think is townie about it? What do you think is bad about the opposite?

Four or five questions meant to highlight my hypocrisy.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:08 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:05 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:03 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.

You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.
Why?
I have no idea why you and Scotty haven't done so.
No. Why would we do that?

Why would we not just each make the cases in our own heads. Why would we ‘work together to facilitate a case’

You keep saying we should. You can’t answer the question of why we should.

There’s nothing town-leaning about acting as a hive mind.
I didn't say anything about a hive mind. I never said you two had to vote together.

I said

"make a transparent effort to get on the same page together."
And I explained to you why I didn’t have time for effort.

But you don’t give a shit about that.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:12 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:11 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:08 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:01 am Mac
Epi

It’s not my fault I got my role description that I did. It’s not Daisy’s fault she got the one she did, read my town on day one, and gave me a token of trust.

But I hate that you oppose the idea that I could have knowledge so strenuously to the point it affects your ability to enjoy the game because you don’t have the same.

If you want me to seek a replacement I’ll seek a replacement. But this is not fair to speed or anyone else. This is a game that enables infogathering and infodumping. It is what it is. I can’t help it. I can’t help that I don’t play it the way you think I should play it. I’m sorry if it causes you to be frustrated at me or the game.
Please stop overreacting so much Golden. I do not have the benefit of information so you need to just deal with the fact that I remain sceptical and stop throwing your toys out of the pram every time I ask a question when something unusual occurs. I don't want to "just accept it" or whatever it is that you expect of me because I'd feel like a complete fool if I just did that and then we lost.
I’ve never asked you to ‘just accept it’
It's also a game that enables lying. I need to decide whether you are lying. I can't do that when you get pissy every time I ask you a question.
And I can't decide if you're lying when you never answer a question with a straight answer.

You asked me four or five questions. I asked you one question about why you haven't been trying to get on the same page with Scotty and you went on a tirade against me and my "hypocrisy" with S~V~S.

And then said that I didn't give a shit about your father. That burns. Hell no I don't want to play Mafia with you.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:08 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:01 am Mac
Epi

It’s not my fault I got my role description that I did. It’s not Daisy’s fault she got the one she did, read my town on day one, and gave me a token of trust.

But I hate that you oppose the idea that I could have knowledge so strenuously to the point it affects your ability to enjoy the game because you don’t have the same.

If you want me to seek a replacement I’ll seek a replacement. But this is not fair to speed or anyone else. This is a game that enables infogathering and infodumping. It is what it is. I can’t help it. I can’t help that I don’t play it the way you think I should play it. I’m sorry if it causes you to be frustrated at me or the game.
Please stop overreacting so much Golden. I do not have the benefit of information so you need to just deal with the fact that I remain sceptical and stop throwing your toys out of the pram every time I ask a question when something unusual occurs. I don't want to "just accept it" or whatever it is that you expect of me because I'd feel like a complete fool if I just did that and then we lost.
I’ve never asked you to ‘just accept it’

It's also a game that enables lying. I need to decide whether you are lying. I can't do that when you get pissy every time I ask you a question.

I can't wait for the day when I can roll in here calling people 100% civilians left and right and get away with it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:04 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:21 am Like honestly epi if you come at me about my ‘effirt’ in mafia... it’s the most hypocritical thing you can do.

You give no effort to be transparent. You give no effort to ever try to appear town. You avoid town cores. You piss around with people. People ask you questions and you make no real attempt to answer them.

This is the thing I hate most about playing mafia - that others think THEIR expectations of how I should play drives how I should play.

I don’t give a shit about how you think I should play. But attacking for lack of effort under the circumstances is just shitty.

(And yes, I am a bit sensitive about ‘effort’ right now since I nearly lost my job for ‘lack of effort’ who’s working 60 hour weeks).

I won’t stand for your hypocrisy. Why don’t you try making genuine efforts to be transparent and then maybe I’ll take advice from you. In the mean time, how much effort I put in to a game is my call and mine exclusively.

In this game I’ve put in substantial effort. Check out the post count.

I will not be bullied into forcing Scotty, daisy or Mac to have ‘transparent effort about getting on the same page’ with me. I’ll talk about my views in the thread, they will talk about theirs, and in the end each person will vote as they choose.
Golden I think you are overreacting man. You should try to see it from our perspective here. What's the use of having a public town bloc if you don't coordinate them as a voting bloc? This is your bloc so it's your responsibility imo. Nobody begrudges you being away from the thread because of personal reasons but you were posting and here as much as anyone even though you didn't realise it so a simple effort towards getting your town bloc voting together would have made a lot of sense given how adamant you were about sig's alignment.

Agreed.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:03 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:57 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:52 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?

Seems fishy to me.
Don't question him.

He'll get mad.
You’re the one who refused to answer questions, while also shutting your ears to the answers I was trying to give.
You tried to turn this into a hypocrisy issue while equating S~V~S with Scotty. Nah.
I never equated the two, you did.

No I didn't. You brought up S~V~S's name.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:52 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?

Seems fishy to me.
Don't question him.

He'll get mad.
You’re the one who refused to answer questions, while also shutting your ears to the answers I was trying to give.

You tried to turn this into a hypocrisy issue while equating S~V~S with Scotty. Nah.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:52 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?

Seems fishy to me.

Don't question him.

He'll get mad.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:46 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:43 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.

Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.

Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.

I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Ok well:

Exactly what instances were scotty and I not on the same page?
Exactly how little effort did we put in?
Exactly what effort do you expect?
Why do you expect that effort? What do you think is townie about it? What do you think is bad about the opposite?
I said I'm done, Golden. I meant that. You can run this game. You're already doing it.
I didn’t run the last phase and you’re coming at me for NOT doing it.

But ok then. If you won’t actually engage in your suspicion, I can’t engage back.

I said I'll leave you be. Isn't that good enough for you? Get the win, Golden!

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