The Syndicate

Let's do the thing LC blasted me for earlier:

sabie's off the poll.

Where are you voting and why?

I'm voting timmer because I think he's saying the things he thinks needs to be said to survive rather than saying the things that need to be said to lynch mafia. He's playing like a mafioso. He is skating, not searching.

Now all of you go.

I think it's clear that I do not object to a sabie lynch. Timmer suggesting that I called her out (nobody else had) and am now trying to defend her is dumb.

I objected to a complacent lynch and a foregone conclusion, which is what it looks like we're getting.

Maybe I didn't save at the right times. Save early and save often, folks.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:17 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:08 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:04 am Huh:

Creature voters: Jack, timmer, juliets, Dyslexicon, Michelle

All living people. All people I said would kill active Syndicate members (maybe Michelle).

sabie voters: Long Con, TSP, Epi, Creature (dead), Quin (dead)

CAn you spell this out for me?

There are no conclusions here. I was comparing the previous vote to the other thing I wrote.

Another crazy note: every single person who had voted for sabie is now not voting for sabie. Every person who had voted for Creature is now voting for sabie.

I saved the vote totals at various times. I want to check that out.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:17 am juliets: Would juliets kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes.

Epi, I don't know what makes you think this. Maybe you can explain.

Though I'd rather you explain why you're voting for timmer first.

Are you saying your wouldn't deliberately target active Syndicate regulars? I felt like you would want new(er?)(ish?) people to stick around longer.

If I applied the same exercise to myself, it would have said "Yes." Same as yours.

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:31 am I'm definitely leaving my vote on sabie, but I'll say that epig's push towards me feels pretty bad.

We do NOT need to leave an inactive sable aside for today. Because she ISN'T inactive, in fact she is deliberately doing the bare minimum needed to survive in the game without having her powers modblocked.

I would NOT normally kill off longtime syndicate players, Epig should remember that I tend to want to lynch inactives and players I don't know, because I generally trust that I can get the long-timers whose games I know well lynched.

But the key here is that he keeps referring to sabie as inactive, when she very definitely is NOT, and he knows this and is ignoring it.

And at this point, with a sabie lynch looking like it would happen, to see this sudden idea of "no, we have to lynch other than sabie, uhm,... that guy" it tells me that a successful sabie lynch would tell us a LOT about who the bad guys are in this game.

Now, I'm at work today and will try to post, but then I have a ladyfriend staying over for the weekend, so i'll be a bit absent.

sabie's teammate. Boom.

Today was unexpectedly taxing and I'm going to be at the dentist office all afternoon. My advice is to lynch someone other than sabie. I realize that sounds bassackwards, but the fact is there's multiple mafia members skating by. Catch a live one. I'll be back tomorrow evening.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:04 am Huh:

Creature voters: Jack, timmer, juliets, Dyslexicon, Michelle

All living people. All people I said would kill active Syndicate members (maybe Michelle).

sabie voters: Long Con, TSP, Epi, Creature (dead), Quin (dead)

CAn you spell this out for me?

There are no conclusions here. I was comparing the previous vote to the other thing I wrote.

Huh:

Creature voters: Jack, timmer, juliets, Dyslexicon, Michelle

All living people. All people I said would kill active Syndicate members (maybe Michelle).

sabie voters: Long Con, TSP, Epi, Creature (dead), Quin (dead)

TSP was on timmer and is now on sprityo.

All I'm getting at is this: Lynching sabie most likely nabs an inactive civilian or an inactive mafioso. She isn't submitting the kills. That much you can be sure of.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:46 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:44 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:34 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:34 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:31 am Continued: but that doesn’t really mean anything if those are the standard kill targets and there are four other people with guns. There’s no real way to analyze it in a data set like that with this sort of player base.

All of the mafia kills have been active Syndicate regulars. I don't care that others were killed by other people.

How can you tell which ones are mafia kills?

Did I say I could?

Well I mean that was the implication I read by all the mafia kills have been by Syndicate regulars but I think we might be miscommunicating here

Not your fault. I meant to say, "All of the kills have been active Syndicate regulars." Disregard the qualifier "mafia."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:39 am I’d lynch several people before Timmer. There have been 2 or 3 posts that feel like they come from town Timmer with a certain role. They aren’t that tough to fake but I’ve got nothing in Sprityo or Sabie or Michelle’s defense except a guy I kinda trust (Epi) saying he kinda thinks Michelle is town.

What are the two or three posts?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:34 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:34 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:31 am Continued: but that doesn’t really mean anything if those are the standard kill targets and there are four other people with guns. There’s no real way to analyze it in a data set like that with this sort of player base.

All of the mafia kills have been active Syndicate regulars. I don't care that others were killed by other people.

How can you tell which ones are mafia kills?

Did I say I could?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:31 am Continued: but that doesn’t really mean anything if those are the standard kill targets and there are four other people with guns. There’s no real way to analyze it in a data set like that with this sort of player base.

All of the mafia kills have been active Syndicate regulars. I don't care that others were killed by other people.

I changed my vote to timmer. For this Day phase to be successful, someone other than sabie needs to be lynched. sabie is the comfortable choice to mafia whether she's bad or not. Shit needs to happen.

Dom: Would Dom kill active Syndicate regulars? Perhaps. I don't presently regard sig and Dom as teammates, and I don't view Dom as a nutella recruit for obvious reasons.

Dragomir: Would Dragomir kill active Syndicate regulars? In the words of Snape, "I have no idea."

Sloonlexicon: Would Sloonei kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes.

JackofHearts2005: Would JoH kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes.

juliets: Would juliets kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes.

Long Con: Would LC kill active Syndicate regulars? I don't think he'd make a career out of it- I believe what he said on the matter to an extent. That doesn't prove anything, of course.

Michelle: Would Michelle kill active Syndicate regulars? Maybe. I have some reasons to believe Michelle is not mafia, however.

Owner of a Lonely Heart: Would Owner kill active Syndicate regulars? Maybe. Same boat as Michelle minus reasons.

sabie12: Would sabie kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes, but sabie isn't here, man.

sprityo: Would sprityo kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes, but sprityo isn't here, man.

timmer: Would timmer kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes, that bastard would.

TonyStarkPrime: Would TSP kill active Syndicate regulars? Yes- see Fallout (although to be fair, "active Syndicate regulars" made up most of the field). In looking at that one, I was killed Night 1 there (Night 2 here), LC was killed Night 2 there (still alive here), sprityo Night 3 there (subbed in here). I don't see much correlation unless TSP hates me.

Fun fact: Active Syndicate regulars have been getting killed off on the regular.

Not so fun fact: sabie isn't here.

Therefore: sabie isn't doing the killing.

Question for the field: Who is?

Today took a violent shove from "not very busy" to "holy shit, today is week 1 of NFL preseason."

Easiest coin of the year if you do your homework.

Thursdays are light for me, so everybody is getting a read through.

Friday will be busy again, unfortunately.

Fair enough.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:58 pm Epi - Why was Sabie such an obvious better lynch to you than Creature who you also supported a lynch on if your case on her is that she is dead weight?

sabie is dead weight. Six posts. I can't work with that. She is also someone who has been around but not posting. She is someone who would be keen on taking out certain Syndicate regulars. I think the pieces fit.

Creature was a curmudgeon who wasn't helpful in the slightest. I didn't suspect him per se, but I'm not sorry he's out. I don't want to play and hear little bullshit complaints. I hear those in real life.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm I advocated lynching sabie because she's dead weight to the civilian faction. That still holds true now. You tried to analyze her posts, which seemed like overkill.

What the actual fuck. I tried to analyze posts that is overkill? Are you serious right now. That is how I play mafia. I read posts and analyze them.

My gripe was that you acted like sabie had a variety of posts to sort through. She had six. Analyzing six posts is pointless.

But I'm not concerned. I just wish you had voted sabie and not Creature and now you are voting Michelle for reasons I don't understand.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:53 pmsabie has six posts. Trying to come up with how she is or is not suspicious is a futile attempt. She hasn't done anything. You are putting too much into her posts when there's nothing to go on now that we're in Day 5. It's phony to me.

Few posts ago I was "protecting" her? I don't know what to tell you. My reads are genuine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you're fine. I'll move my vote.

Although since it's just you and me talking, if you're bad I'm probably fucked anyway you look at it.

I advocated lynching sabie because she's dead weight to the civilian faction. That still holds true now. You tried to analyze her posts, which seemed like overkill.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:47 pmShe has six posts. What in the hell else can you find suspicious? There's nothing there. That's my point.

But there was. Or at least I thought so when I saw it the first time around. I don't understand where you're coming from right now or if you're arguing just to argue

sabie has six posts. Trying to come up with how she is or is not suspicious is a futile attempt. She hasn't done anything. You are putting too much into her posts when there's nothing to go on now that we're in Day 5. It's phony to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 pm I despise the argument that we lynch on the basis of gathering information.

Number one, it means you don't actually suspect sabie, but you want to lynch her anyway. That's how mafia get away with bullshit lynches.

Number two, you don't get information. You get circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, I don't really love it either or think it's a good reason to lynch. But I would like to know Sabie's alignment. It's not something I look away from as a factor, but it's not the reason we should lynch anyone on this stage (or hardly at any stage)

What's your take on juliets?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:43 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:40 pmYou noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Yes? What's your point?

You finding one suspicious post when she has six is hardly inspiring.

I still don't get your point. I found one specific sentence actually, that I found suspicious. And LC and Juliets agreed with me on that.

She has six posts. What in the hell else can you find suspicious? There's nothing there. That's my point.

I despise the argument that we lynch on the basis of gathering information.

Number one, it means you don't actually suspect sabie, but you want to lynch her anyway. That's how mafia get away with bullshit lynches.

Number two, you don't get information. You get circumstantial evidence.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:40 pmYou noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Yes? What's your point?

You finding one suspicious post when she has six is hardly inspiring.

Look, if sabie is a civilian, then whatever.

We have sabie six posts.

Creature "I am bored with this site I wish I was out of this game"

sprityo has a whopping four posts.

What am I to do with that?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:12 pm So when we last left us, sabie was the leader to be lynched and Creature took it instead. I won't say I'm sad to be without his cheerful company, but someone please explain to me why sabie wasn't the better option.

It's kind of blah to defend now after he flipped town, but I thought he was more likely scum out of the two. Him flipping town makes the D1 Rej wagon not necessarily so sketchy boots though, and the off-wagon voters may be more sketchy boot.

I'm not asking anyone to defend someone who is a dead civilian. That's pointless.

I'm asking why sabie wasn't the better option. You're avoiding that conversation. I think you protected sabie.

I'm still town /shrugface. My reason for voting Creature is in my posts though. Recap is that I had a bad feeling from his cheap shot at me D1 which followed when I replaced in again, his whole wagon D1 was confirmed town or not mafia and then I didn't like the "I don't care but I do care at EoD" attitude. Also Creature flipping town > Sabie flipping town was my thinking (but if Sabie continues to lurk I'm not sure I agree with that anymore). In regards to Sabie she could go either way for me because she has barely posted. I noticed one thing that I found suspicious about her in her posts (the "Nut has had wrong reads" part), but it might just be referencing the already flipped people or something Sabie just said. Do you have reasons for Sabie being scum?

You noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Yeah, Sloonei was a weak civilian. I should have called him out from the beginning but I didn't.

My vote is on Dyslexicon now.

Oh, and now you're voting Michelle.

Excellent.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:12 pm So when we last left us, sabie was the leader to be lynched and Creature took it instead. I won't say I'm sad to be without his cheerful company, but someone please explain to me why sabie wasn't the better option.

It's kind of blah to defend now after he flipped town, but I thought he was more likely scum out of the two. Him flipping town makes the D1 Rej wagon not necessarily so sketchy boots though, and the off-wagon voters may be more sketchy boot.

I'm not asking anyone to defend someone who is a dead civilian. That's pointless.

I'm asking why sabie wasn't the better option. You're avoiding that conversation. I think you protected sabie.

I voted for Jack.

Quin's fine. Read his role.

Since I was too busy winning my family a second vacation when this happened, I'll ask now:

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:59 pm Ok, I'm changing my vote to sabie. That quote against nutella's read summary really didn't look good. Creature I'm voting based on his meta and I've decided that isn't as strong as the sable case.

linki, Oh sorry Dizzy I should have brought that quote forward.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:14 pm I thought I found something important with that nutella quote but maybe I was too hasty. I hate that this is happening at EOD.

linki, ok timmer you're right about being able to defend. Lets Lynch Creature.

juliets, what did you think you found that was important regarding the nutella quote?

So when we last left us, sabie was the leader to be lynched and Creature took it instead. I won't say I'm sad to be without his cheerful company, but someone please explain to me why sabie wasn't the better option.

The good news is the mafia whiffed on this. I don't know why Quin is more of a threat than I am, but there are you are.

RIP Othar. Maybe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:04 pm Sabie looks bad but not as bad as Creature.

Honestly, Tony’s bucket thing looks pretty bad. Seems like the kinda thing I’d come up with to justify stupid reads.

“I arbitrarily guessed there are +1 scum in this arbitrary bucket. Therefore *bad vote*”

My heart would not be broken over a Tony lynch.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:30 am Still prefer Creature or maybe Drag. I don't think the defeatist reaction when game picks up and people replaces in is town.

My heart would not be broken over a Creature lynch.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:28 am Sprit's ISO is even thinner. And they replaced in to fill a void. >_>

Nobody is talking about him or Michelle either. If scum is lurky lurkers I'm going to be annoyed cause that's boring.

I look at whom the mafia have killed and I have to ask who would be afraid of that crew. I think sabie fits the mold. Nobody is talking about her, and hell, I didn't even realize she was in this until she said something. So thanks sabie!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:42 am Scum buckets:

Sprityo
Sabie
Creature

Dom
Dys
Drago

LC
Owner
Creature
Drago

Everyone else


I am willing to bet that of these four buckets each has at least one of the remaining mafia members. If I’m wrong which bucket doesn’t have one?

I don't understand this.

I want to lynch sabie.