The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:And it can be Mata, since when? Did I miss something? It's possible I did since I've been kind of in and out.

You're in and out and you're trying to get me lynched? Jesus! I've been NEGLECTING things to win this. Think about that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fair responses, but I still think you're probably Boddy.

I am not, and I swear to God, if you lynch me, I'll hold a grudge.

Come on dude.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, we know it's either you, Bass, or MR. It can't be Bass now, but I was leaning HEAVILY towards you from the beginning. I'm shocked no one voted for you today as it's very likely you're Boddy. Sorry man.

Because I survived a kill by a man? Read the roles.

MovingPictures07 wrote: I hope everyone else reads this carefully because it's damning evidence that Epig is Boddy. And worst case if he isn't, then it'd have to be MR, but I doubt that so much.

No, it doesn't HAVE to be MR. It could be Marahari.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Here's why:

1) The fact that S~V~S was targeted by Boddy first and the way you interacted with her about it
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 422#p85422
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 464#p85464
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 660#p85660

That's how'd I'd play it? I'd target SVS first and get her lynched and then....what?

MovingPictures07 wrote: 2) You never actually defend against any of the accusations that you're Boddy, seen here, earlier with S~V~S, and even with your "Why?" just now:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:well we dont even know if the indie has a kill yet or not so why worry about epig ?

Oh ffs.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Allowing for the assumption that Mr. Boddy has been active all game (he did reveal info about S~V~S Night 1), that means he is going to be either Bass or MR. One of them is Mr. Naughty.

Who says it can't be you?

The host?

For just two examples.

What can I say? Can I out myself? Can I tell that I got this PM or that PM?

MovingPictures07 wrote: 3) Even though you've appeared super helpful you have contradicted yourself multiple times and lied about suspicions (not gambits either), something you NEVER do as a civvie. You were convinced I was bad and tried to get me lynched D3 even though you said this after D1:

Epignosis wrote:Having been bad in the last two games, and having witnessed it both times from my teammates, I am willing to bet that Mafia didn't vote on Day 1. Although anyone could miss a vote for legitimate reasons, I've seen it far too often that Mafia miss a vote on purpose. So I would be looking at a missed vote followed by a reaction that belies the missed vote.

This, for example:

Mongoose wrote:WTF we had a lynch vote??

Mongoose posted seven times during Day 1, participating in a discussion of potentially suspicious behavior. Incidentally, two of those seven posts are ambivalent comments about missing voters. What I don't understand is that Mongoose voted in the Day 0 poll and voted in the Night 1 poll, but comes back later expressing shock that we had a lynch vote. What else would we have had between Day 0 and Night 1- a Parcheesi tournament?

You never actually gunned after Mongoose EVER after that post, you gunned after S~V~S all D2 and me all of D3.

AND you never once pursued your suspicion of the mafia member missing the vote. Both me and S~V~S made the vote, did we not?

Because I've been KEEPING A SPREADSHEET genius. Missed votes after Day 1 mean no Night powers. SIMPLE. Have you?

MovingPictures07 wrote: 4) I know you are typically helpful as a civvie but you've been pushing it really hard and OOT to the point where it's read to be almost trying too hard sometimes, conveniently trying to get the general consensus that you were Boddy (perpetuated by S~V~S, Bass, and i think others too) out of the thread:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 063#p87063
And it seems you did a good job since everyone keeps following your lead. In fact, it's the only thing you CAN do to win this game. And I feel bad about suspecting you hard as Boddy because you have played a really great game. But this point still stands.

"Trying too hard." That's your case? Get lost.

MovingPictures07 wrote: 5) Then there's your insane fixation on all things Mr. Boddy:

Epignosis wrote:I also have Mr. Boddy narrowed down to five people.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also have Mr. Boddy narrowed down to five people.

Lol.

That's allowing for no assumptions at all. If I permit myself one small assumption, I've got it down to three.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Considering there's still a killer about, it'd probably be unwise to be a pacifist right now.

Would you like to know who Boddy is?

Epignosis wrote:Anyone could be any Boddy, but it takes a certain some Boddy to fool every Boddy, and I am no Boddy.

Epignosis wrote:Allowing for the assumption that Mr. Boddy has been active all game (he did reveal info about S~V~S Night 1), that means he is going to be either Bass or MR. One of them is Mr. Naughty.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Allowing for the assumption that Mr. Boddy has been active all game (he did reveal info about S~V~S Night 1), that means he is going to be either Bass or MR. One of them is Mr. Naughty.

Who says it can't be you?

The host?

Lol.

Frankly, I'm still not even thinking about Mr. Boddy. Gotta catch this last killer first.

I am not bothered either way. Wadsworth is going to be tougher to pin though. I've narrowed him down to four individuals. Boddy, two.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, I guess that's true, since Wadsworth doesn't kill every night. Got it.

Actually, I would prefer we eliminated Boddy first.

Wadsworth will either kill or not tonight. No changing that, and he won't be able to kill for two Nights following. Two people voted and two did not. So Wadsworth has a choice to make.

With Boddy, we can eliminate him on Day 5 or 6 at the latest.

These were ALL posted during Day 4 and Night 4.

Insane fixation? Or because I have kept a spreadsheet?

I also haven't "made comment about Boddy all game." That's simply not true.

In other words, please be specific on these "insane attempts." I have been specific in everything I've done. Not one vague word from my mouth.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dammit, I can't believe I missed the vote, just barely. Sorry folks!! Will catch up after I worry about Dr. Who first.

I am trying so hard to win here, and you miss another vote. Come on man.

Sorry man, totally didn't think I would.

Kind of surprised on the consensus that Bass was Boddy to be honest. That's not who I was thinking.

Great. Please. Who. Is. It?

Dude, now is not the time to hide shit. There's W and B. I want them both out ASAP.

I'm pretty sure you're Mr. Boddy, sorry to say it. I wish you were a civilian, but too many things you've said and the way you've made comments about Boddy all game, in addition to your insane attempts to seem as helpful as possible, tell a story.

Why?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dammit, I can't believe I missed the vote, just barely. Sorry folks!! Will catch up after I worry about Dr. Who first.

I am trying so hard to win here, and you miss another vote. Come on man.

Sorry man, totally didn't think I would.

Kind of surprised on the consensus that Bass was Boddy to be honest. That's not who I was thinking.

Great. Please. Who. Is. It?

Dude, now is not the time to hide shit. There's W and B. I want them both out ASAP.

Also, Rikki Tikki Tavi ftw. I love kipling.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dammit, I can't believe I missed the vote, just barely. Sorry folks!! Will catch up after I worry about Dr. Who first.

I am trying so hard to win here, and you miss another vote. Come on man.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I never looked at it that way .

Can you tell me how you looked at it?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:sorry

It's okay. You're not cleared. You could have been by not voting. Don't know why you voted if you are being truthful.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I would like to point out that ninja said she was only 99% sure how she survied the lynch. I think if it was because of her role she would be 100% sure. I will be most likley voting ninja.

Or you can outline the alternate scenarios in which she survived the lynch. That wasn't just a survival. That was a switch.

This is were we talked about it and you didn't say anything about the cook when we talked about.

With great power comes great responsibility.

If you're telling the truth, my spreadsheet is fucked up because of you.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Only I voted for her that night fool because I thought she was bad because of the lynch that svs got lynched instead of her. Thats why I was asking the questions about the switch to her trying to she if she would claim a role I knew she wasn't. I was wrong in the long run but at the time it felt right until she came back civ.

You're claiming to be the Chief who spent his switch. That's even less helpful. What this means now is that, if you are Boddy, you will survive, and if you are the Chief, you have your stop, and will survive.

Ninja Blooper never claimed a role. She said she was "99% sure" she knew how she survived. To me, that indicates that the Cook was involved. And you used a lynch switch for that?

Why don't people TALK before votes are cast? Isn't that the point?

Fantastic. Who should we look at that would switch the vote to Blooper?

No need to be cryptic. You've had your chance to name names. Name a name and say why.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Mongoose wrote:I hate to see Bass throw in the towel :/

not throwing in the towel. watch what happens tonight then look at who would switch the vote to blooper the night she died.

Yeah, this is the post of someone who doesn't care.

Why would I look at "who would switch the vote for blopper the NIGHT she died?"

Blooper got lynched. That's a day thing.

And the lynch switcher is a civilian, so why would I look at that person?

I think we have our man.

No lynch tonight. Then we do it again tomorrow.

Matahari wrote:I feel kind of icky about this. What point could Bass be hoping to make? To show that he will die and is not Boddy? Or that he will live because he is Boddy, and then get lynched tomorrow? I don't get it.

I thought Epig had sound reasons for MR being Boddy, but he didn't seem to believe them as much as I thought he did. Ok, so it doesn't matter now anyway, I'll vote Bass too. I just wish I felt better about it.

I apologize for not coming back and saying why I backed up on MR. It has to do with this:

Boddy would not be calling attention to Boddy (my premise).
MR called attention to me, whom he thought was Boddy WHILE Bass directed attention away from me.

Furthermore, Mongoose is defending MR, and MR's responses sound genuine to me.

No, fuck this. I have been helpful like a mutha. I did not go "lol" when somebody is participating in earnest. Voted Bass.

If you're civilian, I am sorry, but I am this close.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Let me help everyone out. I going to vote myself because I want to prove a point.

That's swell, although not as helpful as I would hope. If you're the Chief, please switch your lynch to MR or Matahari.

lol

That, also, is not what I wished to hear.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Let me help everyone out. I going to vote myself because I want to prove a point.

That's swell, although not as helpful as I would hope. If you're the Chief, please switch your lynch to MR or Matahari.

I was hoping to hear from MR.

Matahari wrote:Happy birthday again Boogs!

I'm still waiting to hear why Mongoose is leaning more towards Bass, Epig made some solid points about MR, but I don't know what the solid points are yet about Bass. unless I missed something glaringly obvious which I'm prone to do when subbing in to a game

I am thinking about my comments against MR in the context of something else I said. Just had supper...let me cogitate a moment.

To anyone still under the impression that I am Mr. Boddy, I offer these words in my defense:

In Monty Python, I was last man standing and I killed every other Night. Even then, it was difficult to invest myself fully because I knew that my prospect of winning was nil. Now consider my activity and attentiveness in this: I have analyzed the thread multiple times, scrounging for any revelatory scrap I may have missed. I have kept detailed notes, maintained a spreadsheet, been bold, been apprehensive, been wrong, been right, and so far, been hopeful. That is not the attitude of someone who believes that victory is far from attainment.

If I were Mr. Boddy, what personal benefit would there be in my suggestion that we hunt for Boddy in the upcoming days? Not only that, but that I named three specific people who had to be Boddy? It would be in my best interest to keep the focus on the last remaining Mafia team member- but I did not do that. Does any of this describe the behavior of a last man standing independent bent on winning? It does not: It describes the behavior of someone bent on clearing his name.

Look at the civilian roles. Your read need not even be a careful. A cursory examination will suffice. Look at who tried to kill me. I did not survive a lynch, and I did not survive a kill from anybody else.

If none of this persuades you, then I plead with you to at least let me try to clear my name. If Bass, MR, or Matahari are not Boddy, then I will vote for myself. I would rather lose because of my own foolishness than that of others.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Sorry to be absent today. I spent last night in the hospital.

I hope you are doing all right.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Only here for a second, but I'll try to be back later, real busy day.

If we want to catch Boddy today, isn't everyone in agreement on this matter who it is? Seems like one player in particular is probably Boddy. I'm curious what people are thinking here, so for now I'll refrain from mentioning who I think it is, and I'll come back.

Since I am not in agreement with who it is, I don't like the implication here.

I can only hope that people will trust me a little while longer.

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:MP is good for sure! I'm a slightly nervous horse about the mongoose though.

That makes sense, Vomps, as I'm a slightly nervous horse about you as well.

Glad you didn't die, MR. Feeling pretty good about you.

Bass - I think that's a brilliant point, but it's one of those wifomy issues as well. Would Mr. Boddy intentionally do something rookie in order to dispel attention? Would Mr. Boddy do something so rookie in order cover his tracks or make us think it's a newer player when it's Captain Veteran? I'm not sure.

Also: We know now thanks for Mr Boddy that Sockface is male, but that's not exactly revealing information since most of the roles are male.

So you would rather lynch Bass instead of MR?

Boogs is not Boddy.

Vompatti is not Boddy.

Will wonders never cease?

I have a strategy and I think I have decided that between Bass and Mister Rearranger, Mr. Boddy is MR Boddy. Below are my reasons why, and after that, I will outline my strategy for eliminating him.

Mister Rearranger wrote:We could always lynch Epi since I'm fairly sure he's gotta go eventually.

But if the kills work in the way he theorizes they do, I'd advocate getting rid of at least 1 more baddie first.

We've gotta think though: If 2 of the team die, is there only a kill once every 3 nights? Does the LMS inherit any kills? Things to think about...

Despite the smiley in the first line, this is seed planting. MR is completely serious about lynching me. The second line even confirms its serious ("I'd advocate getting rid of at least 1 more baddie first"). But what is implied in this sentence? It's implying that Boddy is not a baddie. Subtle, I know.

That third line says "We've gotta think though." Read the questions that follow the colon. What could be learned by thinking about those things? There's no way anyone could figure out the answer by thinking about them. So why pose them? Because by talking about the LMS role, it makes it look like he's not it.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Wait, why lynch Epi?

I'd say there's nothing to think about regarding the Mr. Boddy role until we see evidence of it. Until then, I'm going to assume it's relatively harmless in the fact that it doesn't kill and doesn't say "secrets" by it.

To address both lines:

The LMS can't win with the civs.

Like I said though (and in agreement with you), the priority shouldn't be on figuring out anything about Mr. Boddy quite yet.

How do you feel about Canuck this game? I know she's checked in and said she's busy/struggling to get into the game, but the way Day 1 went down leads me to believe that sabie's team hasn't been all that active to begin with.

To the question, "Why lynch Epi?" the answer is given: "The LMS can't win with the civs." That resposne doesn't answer the question. It begs the question.

If (like MR said), "the priority shouldn't be on figuring out anything about Mr. Boddy quite yet," then why does he say in his previous post, "We've gotta think though: If 2 of the team die, is there only a kill once every 3 nights? Does the LMS inherit any kills? Things to think about..." Hardly seems genuine.

If Boddy isn't a priority, then neither are those questions we "gotta think" about. Again, it's just a subtle way to look concerned about the LMS while assuring others that that they don't have to be.

What, I wonder, wold have happened if people would have lynched me, and my civilian role revealed?

"Aw, damn Epi. RIP. Guess we better hunt those baddies."

I don't believe there would have been any examination in MR's subtle push to get me lynched because I was not a "real" suspect- I was just a " safe backup" since a few people (like evil Hedgeowl!) weren't sure where to vote.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Ftr: My opinion about Epi possibly being bad have to do with his survival, and the way he's interacted with certain parties whose votes seemed like they could have been forced.

MR (I suppose) realized that he didn't actually answer the question put to him: "Why lynch Epi?" But he does here.

While I have disputed the first part of his reason, I can forgive someone for considering it (and many of you have). That second part though? He makes a vague claim and does not elaborate on it or provide specifics: "The way he's interacted with certain parties whose votes seemed like they could have been forced."

Well now let's see.

S~V~S, as we saw, was the Night 1 victim of blackmail. So no one was forced to vote Day 2. There was no victim of blackmail on Night 2, so unless Boddy was blocked, missed his vote, or didn't turn in a PM, then it is likely that someone's vote was forced on Day 3. MR made his claim on Day 3 at 4:54pm EST. Who are these "certain parties" and how did I interact with them? How can he tell their votes could have been forced? He doesn't say.

Now I am about to get all grammatical on this.

"Could have been forced" is a conditional present perfect tense, which indicates something that happened at some point in the past but continues into the present. In other words, MR's suspicion of me hinges on there having been a forced voter on Day 3 by 4:54pm. Who voted by then?

Bass the Clever.

and...

...that's all.

How had I interacted with Bass on Day 3? I asked him to outline other ways the Day 2 lynch had a different outcome than expected (at 4:22pm EST) and...

...that's all.

My only other interaction with Bass came after MR made his claim (5:55pm).

MR claimed I was suspicious because of how I interacted with certain parties. "Parties" is plural, folks. It means more than one. Only Bass had voted on Day 3 when MR said that, and no one's vote was forced on Day 2 or Day 1, so he couldn't be referring to any votes on those Days.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, I guess that's true, since Wadsworth doesn't kill every night. Got it.

Actually, I would prefer we eliminated Boddy first.

Wadsworth will either kill or not tonight. No changing that, and he won't be able to kill for two Nights following. Two people voted and two did not. So Wadsworth has a choice to make.

With Boddy, we can eliminate him on Day 5 or 6 at the latest.

Could be Boogs or Mongoose.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Allowing for the assumption that Mr. Boddy has been active all game (he did reveal info about S~V~S Night 1), that means he is going to be either Bass or MR. One of them is Mr. Naughty.

Who says it can't be you?

The host?

Lol.

Frankly, I'm still not even thinking about Mr. Boddy. Gotta catch this last killer first.

I am not bothered either way. Wadsworth is going to be tougher to pin though. I've narrowed him down to four individuals. Boddy, two.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Allowing for the assumption that Mr. Boddy has been active all game (he did reveal info about S~V~S Night 1), that means he is going to be either Bass or MR. One of them is Mr. Naughty.

Who says it can't be you?

The host?

Boogs wrote:Guys i am sorry! I am at a friend's and missed the vote :-(

That's every Day but Day 1.

You've made every Night poll.

Allowing for the assumption that Mr. Boddy has been active all game (he did reveal info about S~V~S Night 1), that means he is going to be either Bass or MR. One of them is Mr. Naughty.

Anyone could be any Boddy, but it takes a certain some Boddy to fool every Boddy, and I am no Boddy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Considering there's still a killer about, it'd probably be unwise to be a pacifist right now.

Would you like to know who Boddy is?

Mongoose wrote:The Knife are a Swedish electronic music duo from Gothenburg, formed in 1999.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

I chose the Knife.

Because, you know, Genesis:

Hedgeowl wrote:Boom!

You made me doubt myself- that was very well done. We need an applause smiley. Here:

Excellent. I choose the atomic bomb. I win. Or, we all lose.

I cannot help what others say about me. Or, maybe I can, but I choose not to. I certainly can't direct how people vote.

And to be fair, when your defense comes in this late, you don't give people time to process. I have ten minutes to decide, and I see Mongoose has voted for Vompatti.

Hedgeowl wrote:Once again Epi is leading a case against me that will prove false. While he claims to read people well, he has only ever lynched me a civ. I urge you to looks at the facts and not skim through his case, which i addressed.

Who else today has lead a case? Anyone? I feel like I've been talking to myself this Day 4. No offense, I hope, but I'm here, vocal, and I have, for the first time in my history as a player, kept extensive notes and a spreadsheet, all in the spirit of this being Clue. I feel like I have deduced enough that I shall make it a habit.

And I never claim to read people well. I read three people well consistently. That is all.

I understand your Internet woes, although I do wish you could have responded a little sooner. I like time to think. I have 30 minutes to process what you've said.

Hedgeowl wrote:I get it. Of the three of us i am the only one with posts and votes to analyze, but I am not going to be the baddie lynch you want. Also, i know how we all react when someone votes for us that they must be bad or they would know i am a civ, but based on what has happened in game with Epi being rezzed after an NK it was either or role power or a prize. Since SVS was obviously a blackmail attempt it would seem that boddy is also an active player. It doesnt seem unlikely to me.

The resurrection, properly speaking, was neither a role power nor a prize. You will have to think about why a host would bring someone back from the dead and not allow that person to be lynched the next Day. It isn't difficult, but I won't spoil the fun.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also have Mr. Boddy narrowed down to five people.

Lol.

That's allowing for no assumptions at all. If I permit myself one small assumption, I've got it down to three.

Are you leaning more towards a Hedgeowl vote than a Vomps or Mata vote due to your assessment of the NK targets and her specific behavior? I presumed it to be so, but thought I'd check.

I'm almost tempted to just vote her now because I can't see me changing my mind.

I would like to hear what she says in response to what I wrote. The thing is, allowing for my assumption, she's one of the three Boddy possibilities too. I rather believe she's Mafia though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also have Mr. Boddy narrowed down to five people.

Lol.

That's allowing for no assumptions at all. If I permit myself one small assumption, I've got it down to three.

I also have Mr. Boddy narrowed down to five people.

Mongoose wrote:These are some interesting extrapolations, but surely this isn't foolproof?

If Mafia involved foolproof ideas, I wouldn't play it.

Matahari wrote:

In conclusion, Mrs. Peacock is Hedgeowl, Vompatti, or Matahari.

I hope you won't mind if I count myself out, not that I expect anyone else to, but I have my reasons for omitting my own name.

So you think it is possible that the theory of the baddies being new/uninvolved players has cred? Was Hedgeowl very involved at the start? or MIA?

She was around, but consider:

I was targeted for the Night 1 kill. Eloh was killed Night 3. I would have a difficult time believing that sabie12 and two brand new people would try to take me out AND my spouse (since it is well known that I can read her well). This suggests that somebody in the killing group is familiar with me enough to want me out early.

Folks, I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but Canucklehead didn't vote on Day 3. That means that, were she Mr. Green or Yvette, she wouldn't be able to take down anyone with her even if she wanted. So unless I am wrong about Elohcin's role (and I have no reason to believe I am), then this was the work of two killers.

Perhaps Mr. Green is a liability role, and the "accident" happens regardless of whether or not the player voted (i.e., Mr. Green wouldn't get to choose who goes down with him).

In any event, these are the people active on Night 3:

MR
Bass
Matahari
Vompatti
Hedgeowl
Nijuu
Eloh
Epignosis

Two of these are unfortunately dead. sabie12 put a second vote on MR before she even had a vote, so I have marked off MR. Bass was the first one to call out sabie's vote and the first to vote for her, so I marked off him.

That leaves the two replacements (for kpence and kevin) and Hedgeowl.

I understand that Hedgeowl voted for sabie12, but she voted last and late. My primary issue with Hedgeowl concerns her Day 3 posts:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Im going to go ahead and vote ninja blooper.

I can't get my head around why she would put a 3rd vote on sabie Day 1 and break the tie if she were her teammate?

Like, maybe she's the Night 1 killer and needed to participate to guarantee her night action...and was also in a rush. But that's a lot of maybes.

Ok , internet back up and baby in bed. The way I reread the posts during the lynch it felt like Ninjablue was waiting to save a teammate and then gave up. She voted with 2 minutes left to go it appears and then 5 more votes came in right after hers. I agree that the third vote to break a tie seems unlikely, but with so many people possibly about to vote she may have panicked. However, her vote for you again made no sense to me since sabie had also voted you early with no threat to herself. That said, I am thinking it is much more likely that it's an absentee at this point. Idk what llama will do about kpence, so kevin and canuck are where I am looking today. Going to reread whatever there may even be.

In this post, Hedgeowl gives her reasons for why she would be in favor of a Ninja Blooper lynch without committing to one. I find it ironic that Hedgeowl would think that Ninja Blooper was waiting to see if she could save sabie when Hedgeowl was the one who voted last in that crowd extremely close to the deadline. Mark this well: Hedgeowl waited until the very end to vote.

However, she is "thinking it is much more likely" that the killer is an absentee "at this point," which is to say, 8:18 pm EST.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Wait, why lynch Epi?

I'd say there's nothing to think about regarding the Mr. Boddy role until we see evidence of it. Until then, I'm going to assume it's relatively harmless in the fact that it doesn't kill and doesn't say "secrets" by it.

To address both lines:

The LMS can't win with the civs.

Like I said though (and in agreement with you), the priority shouldn't be on figuring out anything about Mr. Boddy quite yet.

How do you feel about Canuck this game? I know she's checked in and said she's busy/struggling to get into the game, but the way Day 1 went down leads me to believe that sabie's team hasn't been all that active to begin with.

I agree with this as well. It definitely says last man standing, so I read that as not-civ aligned. To me that means whoever Mr.Boddy may be, although I can only see one option at this point, I would take any advice with a grain of salt. He would be motivated to kill baddies first for fear of being killed himself I'd assume, but it's also no loss to lose civs in the mean time. I have no intention of voting for a Boddy suspect over a baddie suspect though. I think it is important to eliminate those with kill powers first fo sho. Especially since without a kill last night it looks like we can eliminate the frequency of kills if we find a teammate.

Here, Hedgeowl says that she has "no intention of voting for a Boddy suspect over a baddie suspect." She thinks that it is "important to eliminate those with kill powers first fo sho." Mark this. 8:23pm EST

Hedgeowl wrote:Well, my suspects are dropping like flies...

I read Canuck's 8 posts this game and it appears she may have voted MR or kpence. I think if your teammate had just been lynched and voted MR, you'd be unlikely to agree that's where your vote would go too, but who knows. Her posts don't give me much suspicion atm.

Canucklehead wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am going to look like a total skeez for saying this, but sabie WAS my top suspect. I held my vote just in case, and then once it was safe, I voted elsewhere.

Why?

Also, sorry llama and everyone for missing the vote. Glancing through, I probably would've voted for MR or kspence had I been around but who knows what I would have done if I'd actually been here in real time...

She didn't vote Day 2 either, so we have little or nothing to go on there. I am honestly thinking I will vote Epi today as my Boddy suspect as the next best option until Llama can give us an idea of whether there will be replacements. It seems pretty likely that one of these two is bad, so I look forward to replacements giving us more to engage with if that may be the case.

Votes Epi

At 9:00pm EST, 37 minutes after saying that she had no intention of voting for someone she suspects of being independent, she votes for me.

Notice also that she maneuvered out of her Canucklehead suspicion after MR voted for Canuck, rather than place a second vote there. Notice that she maneuvered out of her Ninja Blooper suspicion after Bass voted Nijuu. There was also no waiting to vote nearly last this time.

Also, what do I have to do with whether or not there are replacements? If, as she claimed, that it's "pretty likely" that one of the two replaced persons has a bad role, and if, as she claimed, she had every intention of voting for someone she believed was bad, why suddenly vote for me? Why not take that 50/50 chance?

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In conclusion, Mrs. Peacock is Hedgeowl, Vompatti, or Matahari.