The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I would like to attempt to dissuade llama from voting for me.

I am taken aback that he has named me as Higuchi.

I hope we can talk before the vote.
"The best defense is a good offense." - thellama73

I'm offensive enough.

Spacedaisy wrote:Maybe I'll give you the same silent treatment you gave others earlier.

So...is this starting now?

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, you flat out said I was the one wanting to talk about her. Now you are turning around and pretending like I was the one implying that! Your case you just posted against me is flat out lies. no, I don't think she is Light. But even if she is we apparently can't currently lynch her, yet you and llama won't shut the fuck up about her. You may not care if a fellow player is having fun, but I do. I don't care if you find this acceptable or not. Frankly I don't give a shit about your opinion of how to play mafia. I'll play it the way I feel regardless of you. And yes, if she is Light we can't lynch her, so it only makes sense to give it a fucking rest for the moment. Come back to her later. I think you are incredibly afflicted with tunnel vision and probably wrong, but you will never admit to it, so whatever. I've said my piece and I think everyone playing this game can judge between what I have had to say and what you have had to say. So I'm done with you. Maybe I'll give you the same silent treatment you gave others earlier.

Ouch.

I would like to attempt to dissuade llama from voting for me.

I am taken aback that he has named me as Higuchi.

I hope we can talk before the vote.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Epi which sounds better:

Ohm, Director of COSINE

or

[My Characters Real Name], Director of COSINE
You shouldn't be worrying about that until you can tag things properly.[/ot]
I'll tag you properly in a minute mister.

Bros before...

Hey, wait a minute!

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi which sounds better:

Ohm, Director of COSINE

or

[My Characters Real Name], Director of COSINE

You shouldn't be worrying about that until you can tag things properly.[/ot]

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, you are going to try to paint it as if I am the one who is hung up on FZ and won't stop talking about her?

I don't paint. I write music.

However, I read your wording carefully: I am not trying to deceive people into thinking that you are "hung up on FZ. and won't stop talking about her."

So no, I'm am not trying to do that because it isn't true.

Spacedaisy wrote: I think anyone with eyes capable of reading this thread could see otherwise. But nice try. My give her a break for bit was based on the fact that she obviously is not currently lynchable, whether detective or Light. And she obviously is personally frustrated and tired of the constant attacks.

I don't give a shit about that. If you're personally frustrated or tired of constant attacks, play Checkers. Mafia isn't for you.

Spacedaisy wrote:Whether or not she is bad is irrelevant at the moment since we can't seem to currently lynch her. Thus, give it a rest and let's find Higuchi. Your attempt to portray me as the one obsessed with FZ is so transparently false it is unbelievable to me.

I want people to read this a time or two. First, it's irrelevant whether someone is bad depending on whether or not that person can be lynched. I think the "Give it a rest and let's find Higuchi" indicates that FZ. is indeed Light from your perspective. Finally, spacedaisy thinks I'm portraying her as obsessive with FZ. That's a little silly. Know why? I AM the one obsessed with FZ. spacedaisy has done nothing save defending FZ.

Spacedaisy wrote:Go home Epi, you're drunk.

I've been home.

Okay. I'm back.

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, you are going to try to paint it as if I am the one who is hung up on FZ and won't stop talking about her? I think anyone with eyes capable of reading this thread could see otherwise. But nice try. My give her a break for bit was based on the fact that she obviously is not currently lynchable, whether detective or Light. And she obviously is personally frustrated and tired of the constant attacks. Whether or not she is bad is irrelevant at the moment since we can't seem to currently lynch her. Thus, give it a rest and let's find Higuchi. Your attempt to portray me as the one obsessed with FZ is so transparently false it is unbelievable to me. Go home Epi, you're drunk.

Juliets, it is more based on the feeling of you being generally blendy. I think the people I have felt the least amount of engagement from are the ones who most likely were biding their time until Higuchi has his death note and then will be jumping into the fray more. So I can't say you have done something suspicious, it's more the feeling of you staying on the fringe that makes me put you in that list. That's all.

I'll be with you in 15.

I'm actually watching Death Note.

juliets wrote:Now, was that really necessary Epi?

It was a joke.

FZ. gets credit for saying FU?

Come on. I thought it was hilarious.

And I'll be a little nasty on this one: If you think I'm Higuchi...

...haha...

FUCK YOU for thinking it.

Spacedaisy wrote:Obviously you believe FZ to be Light and think she passed the note to Higuchi to save herself. Assuming that you are correct, why are we still discussing FZ right now, shouldn't we be discussing who might be Higuchi?

Look at your sentence starting with "Assuming." I think the detectives should be aware of my thoughts.

Whether you choose to discuss FZ. now is up to you. You choose what you discuss.

Spacedaisy wrote:Personally you top that list of suspects as far as I am concerned, and your insistence on still discussing FZ at the moment doesn't dissuade that opinion.

So vote for me?

My "insistence on still discussing FZ. at the moment" means 1) you misread me (see above) and 2) It is YOU who is hung up on that.

I think it's funny. Remember when I called you out on Day 1? I do.

Spacedaisy wrote:Now, other people I might look at for yotsuba who might be Higuchi are Zeek, Juliets, bass, and DP. Maybe BR, but honestly I'm all over the board where she is concerned. Those are my thoughts for whoever it was that last asked me. FZ is obviously either Light or a detective who can't be lynched. If Higuchi did just received his death note it certainly does not look favorable for FZ, but even if she is Light then she just passed her death note and there is not much we can do about it, so why don't we give her a break for a bit? It's the most logical course of action at the moment.

FZ. is obviously either Light or a detective who can't be lynched?

And you're on me because I'm still talking about FZ.? You're still talking about her. But what you're saying is this: "Give her a break for a bit."

People someone tell me I'm making these posts up.

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die.
Let's play a game.

Assume for a moment that Higuchi got his Death Note recently. Say, yesterday afternoon. Who passed it to him?
This is easy. Light did. It would have to be FZ, or someone trying to set FZ up (much less likely, let's be honest, but still possible).

Where are you going with this...
Not going anywhere. Just asking questions.

Others are free to chime in on this one.

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die.
Let's play a game.

Assume for a moment that Higuchi got his Death Note recently. Say, yesterday afternoon. Who passed it to him?
This is easy. Light did. It would have to be FZ, or someone trying to set FZ up (much less likely, let's be honest, but still possible).

Where are you going with this...

Not going anywhere. Just asking questions.

thellama73 wrote:Epignosis is my top suspect today, which I don't think is tunnel vision-y at all, since we've been working together almost all game.

Make a case, padre. I am almost sure of your role. Do you know mine?

Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die.

Let's play a game.

Assume for a moment that Higuchi got his Death Note recently. Say, yesterday afternoon. Who passed it to him?

Ricochet wrote:SPOILERS FOR EVERYONE ELSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOW

FZ., the first is L, in a clip from the episode (and the day) in which he died. That is an anime-only foreshadowing scene in which he has one last conversation with Light (and cleans his feet for some bloody reason - hey Epig, did you ever feel this scene had idk weird biblical connotations). The second is Yagami Light, just laughing like a maniac (don't remember the scene, episode).

It did, and it was ham-fisted as hell.

Turnip Head wrote:We don't need all the Sympathizers dead to win, just the four Kiras. Light, Misa, Higuchi, and Mikami.

I wanted to point this out this morning, but I was unable. It's Day 10 and so-called detects don't know what they have to do? Weird.

FZ. wrote:I want to hear more of SD's thoughts as well as Zeeks and BAss. I also want to know who Epi is going to go after now that he can't lynch me.

Let's play a game. Rules are above.

Turnip Head wrote:I think Russ is good with words too. His words make it clear to me that he hadn't made up his mind about Boo.

OK. I reread it. I can see that.

Turnip Head wrote:It makes me think Russ was still unsure about Boo.

I think Russ is good with words and smarter than that.

Could be just me. Don't think it is.

juliets wrote:epi you may not know this yet but is that the last thing Russ said about boo?

Yes- from what I can tell.

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:boo I started off being absolutely convinced was detective. Then he had a spat with...Epi, I think? Since then I've read him as somewhat grumpy and with a MAJOR dose of tunnel-vision. I'm worried that shut down his interest in the game, and I'm trying to decide whether I think it's permanent. If he could go back to posting more analytically then I would feel a lot better about him. For example, his bea case was kind of a "believe, I promise I'm right" deal in the vein of Zomba's on Snowman, but that's not really boo's (best) play style like it is Zomba's. So I'm kinda waiting on the return of Detailed Analysis boo, but he has my eye for now.
Okay Epi so then what do you make of the underlined part of Russ' post in that case?

Looking forward to the rest of your thoughts. Hopefully it's not all Russ-centric...

No, what do YOU make of the underlined part?

Don't put it all on me if you're going to be detective-friendly.

It's 10PM, so I am moving onto other things for now.

Since people are inpatient, here is what I have so far:

Russ posted this on Night 4:

Russtifinko wrote:
FZ. wrote:Russ, while you're here, can you actually talk about the players and what you think about them?
Yes indeed!

As I said before, I think TH has made it clear through his behavior that lynching him is a waste of time. Llama has seemed to be his normal, slightly wacky, gun-ho baddie-hunting self. I started out thinking Epi seemed really bad, but have flipped my stance since he thought he would potentially be lynched and came off as very genuine. Hopefully most of that could be gleaned from my previous posts and votes. I have agreed with most everything Rico has said. He was one of the ones not sad about Yotsuba dying (although clearly lynching them shouldn't be a priority). He's also posted helpful analysis, so even though he suspects me I'm doubtful that he's bad.

boo I started off being absolutely convinced was detective. Then he had a spat with...Epi, I think? Since then I've read him as somewhat grumpy and with a MAJOR dose of tunnel-vision. I'm worried that shut down his interest in the game, and I'm trying to decide whether I think it's permanent. If he could go back to posting more analytically then I would feel a lot better about him. For example, his bea case was kind of a "believe, I promise I'm right" deal in the vein of Zomba's on Snowman, but that's not really boo's (best) play style like it is Zomba's. So I'm kinda waiting on the return of Detailed Analysis boo, but he has my eye for now.

Russtifinko wrote:I think that the content and quality of llama's posts strongly indicate he's a civ, and yes, as a civ he is without fail very opinionated and talkative. So I think people should lay off and let him play his game.

Llama, as I said, I think we're both civ, but I think one of us is being flummoxed, because we're trusting pretty much exactly the opposite people.

According to Russ:
Llama = good
boo = Russ started out thinking boo was good, but boo had Russ' "eye for now." No case, but got downgraded from "Detective." Look at Russ' wording: "I'm worried that shut down his interest in the game, and I'm trying to decide whether I think it's permanent." That's an odd thing to utter.
Epi- Russ started out thinkg I was bad, but flipped his stance (and later would agree with me on FZ.)

I wonder what Russ would have to say about boo now.

Given boo's sudden go against me as Higuchi, I think boo is Higuchi.

Turnip Head wrote:You said "Bingo" in big capital letters so I thought you had something.

Oh I do. But writing takes time.

Turnip Head wrote:C'mon mang gives us the goods

I said I was going to read the game. Did you think I could whip out my conclusions in an hour or two?

Human time doesn't work like Shinigami time.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:boo was bad in Shawshank:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 7&sr=posts

That's the only time he's been bad in one of my games. If you want to read, go for it.
I'm pleased you posted this. I just read through it, and to me it doesn't seem like the same boo from this game. In five days, he only had 2 pages of posts. In the first five days of this game, he had more than five pages. I think he seems vastly more involved here.

So...number of pages of posts is indicative of alignment?

You aren't looking at the content of the posts.

BINGO.

boo was bad in Shawshank:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 7&sr=posts

That's the only time he's been bad in one of my games. If you want to read, go for it.

Turnip Head wrote:Are you reading the thread chronologically or just individual players?

Both. Multiple tabs. Cross-referencing.

I'm examining boo next.

FZ. wrote:And now, I'm going to bed. If anyone wants to actually look at bad behaviour and not just make crazy and ridiculous speculations, I'll be here tomorrow

Bad behavior is not worth looking at nine times out of ten. I keep trying to tell you this. Bad guys try really hard to be good.

Don't they.

Regarding the already-lynched-but-not-dead:

If you are Higuchi and you survive a lynch, what is the most logical thing to do? Fake Shinigami.

I'm going to continue my reading while paying close attention to TH, MM, Mata, and FZ.

I read Boomslang, and it made me sad.

I don't usually give these but:

RIP Boomslang. I hope to net you and Russ a win now.

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Going to reread the entire game now.
Holy shit good luck dude

I don't need luck. Just beer, quiet children, electricity, and Internet.

I now have all these things.

After Roger Rabbit though.

Interesting.

Going to reread the entire game now.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This game FINALLY got interesting.
You mean after you shut up about FZ for more than five minutes? I agree completely.

I do what I do.

This game FINALLY got interesting.

Turnip Head wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Who would you guys like me to lead you towards? There are so many good options.
Now I know you're just bullshitting.

It takes you until Day 10 to figure that out?

Doesn't make him bad.

There's only one Yotsuba you should be trying to lynch right now.

FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?
Yes.
Should we treat them with the amount of seriousness as with your previous one?
No, because that was rude.
Come on, what do you want from me? What would you have said to defend yourself from things you couldn't have defended?

I wouldn't have said anything. I would have taken the lynch and worked from there. I'm surprised you fought the way you did.

thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?
Yes.
Should we treat them with the amount of seriousness as with your previous one?
Yes.

I'm trying to help you out.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?
Yes.
Should we treat them with the amount of seriousness as with your previous one?

No, because that was rude.

I have to cogitate.

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?

I may have a few.

FZ. wrote:Wait, it's day again?

I think that's a clue, no?

FZ. wrote:llama and Epi, have you ever considered that maybe you were kept alive every day so you can keep pushing me lynch?

Have you ever considered that maybe I pushed your lynch so I could be kept alive?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:We continue to lynch the unlynchable, Kira continues to kill the killable.
You can try convincing people instead of browbeating if you believe we are wrong.
Nah.

DharmaHelper wrote:We continue to lynch the unlynchable, Kira continues to kill the killable.

You can try convincing people instead of browbeating if you believe we are wrong.

Jesus, I've seen people lie about their kids.

FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:People lie about real life stuff too. For that reason I do not let it factor into whether or not I vote for the person. I've witnessed too many people taken in by it.

What role you got in this game has nothing to do with what is happening to you in real life.
I disagree. I would never use something like that as an excuse, but I'm pretty sure it would affect my game (hence why I dropped out in that game). I don't know why he didn't drop out, but I can totally see it affecting him as well.

linki: It's okay Julliets

You disagree because you would never do it? Then you haven't hosted enough. Good Lord, I've seen some whoppers and people bragging about it in BTSC.

I'm NOT saying that's Bass' thing. I'm just saying it happens more often than you think. I've seen people lie about having friends over. I've seen people lie about the power being out. I've seen people lie about having schoolwork. I've seen people lie about bad weather.

It happens. Often.

I myself never lie about real life stuff either in a game- that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

People lie about real life stuff too. For that reason I do not let it factor into whether or not I vote for the person. I've witnessed too many people taken in by it.

What role you got in this game has nothing to do with what is happening to you in real life.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Bass's third "suspect", llama, has vanished from his radar, replaced by yet another unlynchable (and in this case pretty much confirmed) baddie. Is there a reason for that? Does that make sense?
sorry but like said before I wasnt really paying attention when I made that list.
Jesus Tap Dancing Christ.

On Water.

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