The Syndicate

blindfaeth wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Professor Zoom (???????) – He wants to kill the Flash family more than anything else in the world. He’ll search every even night for a Flash. ~~ ~~ ~~~~s ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~, ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~.

If he finds anyone Flash at night, that Flash will die.

The syntax looks awkward to me, but I think that's the gist.

This can't be correct. Flash has an s in it.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I voted epi. I agree with what everyone is saying.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:If Epi had not pushed so hard to lynch Elo - a low/non poster and saying she did not wish to really play without first considering a replacement I would not be voting for him but he did so voting Epi

He himself has said many times low/non posters are more likely civ/town.

In the present context I said that?

Did I say present context? No. I said you have sid that many times - which is an Epi trueism

Roxy wrote:If Epi had not pushed so hard to lynch Elo - a low/non poster and saying she did not wish to really play without first considering a replacement I would not be voting for him but he did so voting Epi

He himself has said many times low/non posters are more likely civ/town.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Long Con wrote: I doubt he'll die even if he gets the most votes anyway.

Why do you doubt he 'll die?

I don't think anyone will die in this lynch because Magenta is pretty likely to stop the lynch. I might as well stop being coy about it. I'm pretty sure I have her secret figured out.

Magenta – She is a former love interest of Wally West and has magnetic abilities. She can prevent one lynch during the game. If she does, she will gain BTSC with the Detectives.

If I were Magenta, I would stop the Day One lynch and get my BTSC with the Detectives ASAP.

Wouldn't that mean that the Detectives have BTSC already?

Indeed it would.

S~V~S wrote:The point was you said you decided to NK/lynch her before the game even started. SO with that thought in mind, when Timmer tried to sign up after roles went out, you stuck to that idea rather than suggesting to her that Timmer take her role?

Not buying it. Although if LC is right, it won't matter.

fingersplints wrote:If Elo doesn't want to play she should be replaced. It's only Day 1. I don't want to risk losing a valuable civvie role. I think it would have been more fair to the host for him to have cut a role then to lose a more important role for this reason.

I'm considering voting Epi now. I don't like that he is pushing this.

S~V~S wrote:I just looked, this thread was opened Sunday at 7:45, Timmer tried to sign up Sunday at 3:48. There was a willing replacement if Epi wanted to play so bad, and Elo did not.

I kinda am not as sure I buy that story anymore. Splints is right; this seems like a desperation play to me.

FZ. wrote:I just read Epi's post and all those following. I too wonder why not just let Timmer replace her, or anyone for that matter. Also, since he admitted that he doesn't necessarily think she's bad, would civvie Epi really let a non baddie die just like that? Also, like SVS and Splints said, I can see him using this as a manipulation, because if he's a baddie and is taking her down in a lynch, he can then kill someone else during the night, if he even has a NK. Maybe that's his was of making her think he isn't bad.
I'm not sold on this theory, but the fact that he's willing to let someone who he doesn't know is bad, die, makes me think he doesn't really care if the civvies win.

Epi, can you please explain why you have no problem getting a possible non baddie lynched, instead of trying to replace Eloh?

Between llama and Epi, I'm still more worried about llama, but I have about 2 more hours to decide.


linki: BF, he was wording it to make it look like a brilliant discovery. No, I don't buy it. Sorry

Roxy wrote:FZ - Tbh when Epi hosts he never mk's non players and instead replaces them as soon as he is asked to otherwise they roll along without doing anything. I do not understand why heis so willing to lead a lynch on Elo (who by his words does not want to play) instead of getting her replaced. It goes against everything I Know about Epi inre: to replacements/nonplayers.

Sophie wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Since it has been touched on already, and even though I was trying to be tactful, I will just spell it out.

I got lynched in HSK the day before spring break started for us. I had no Mafia during spring break (I'm sorry- I don't consider LMS Mafia), and was bummed. Flash had been in sign-ups for weeks. Eloh signed up so her pouting husband could have something fun to do. I decided I would kill her Night 1 if I could, or, if that couldn't happen, I would try to get her lynched.

That's right. My wife loves me, and I'm trying to kill her.

With her having no knowledge or interest in the theme, I figured that she would commit herself if she had BTSC, and I would have left her alone (well, in that case, I still might have Night killed her, but I can't).

I say this because I'm not trying to play the Eloh expert, distract you from talking about me, be mean-spirited by going after my wife Day 1, or whatever else I've been accused of doing. She has a gazillion cakes to make, and she signed up so I could play.

That's my hidden agenda.

Thus, here I am trying to remove a player who probably is not vested in this, and who I do not think has BTSC (and is therefore unlikely to be one of the six Old Rogues), and I'm the one with the most votes.

The irony is not lost on me.

Addendum.

i understand the elo being busy with RL stuff bit, but what i dont get is you being so adamant to lynch her, if you think she isnt bad. Even if she is and will be busy, if she is a civvie, i rather try to lynch a baddie, today, tomorrow, and all game. I know uninvolved civvies do not help and, heck, im always against low posters in most games, but this is the first day and maybe elo can find time later to get involved in this. I dont think if wise for you to want to lynch her just cause she is busy. In any case, lets try to find something with the lynch, or try to at least vote for someone you think could be bad. but thinking that elo is good and try to lynch her, even if i understand your RL reasons, isnt wise for this game, imo.

this all assumming you and her are civvie, wich i dont know. but i wanted to point this out as soon as i was catching up and stumble upon this post.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:No no, I did the math you guys.

Ohm doesn't want to have children, does he?

Do you have a vested interest in refuting my maths?

DharmaHelper wrote:No no, I did the math you guys.

DharmaHelper wrote:I know my role, and I assume everyone here knows theirs as well (Depending on whether or not Made has opened his PM yet.)

So, I know Epi is not my role.

If you are a civvie or a non-baddie, you also know that Epi is not that role as well.

It is then mathematically 100% certain that Epi is a baddie, since he can't be my role and (see above) he can't be any of your roles.

DharmaHelper wrote:That is literally the first and last time I will address anything Epignosis related.

DharmaHelper wrote:Gosh remember Death Note Mafia when Epi was so right about Me, Llama, AND FZ? Remember how fun that was :P

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Is my math wrong if I'm right about her not having BTSC?

Was the purpose of this revelation meant to preclude me from being any of the non-killing evil roles?

Your math could be right, sure... but at the end of the Day the math doesn't mean anything if she isn't bad. I watched you argue for days in Death Note mafia to lynch FZ, and your math overwhelmingly supported FZ being bad, and yet she wasn't. I guess I'm just more interested in reading Elo as a player rather than following any math probabilities that could point to her alignment. And her responses have made me feel much better about her today than I did yesterday.

I'm not sure what the purpose of your revelation was, but it let me know that your motivations for lynching Elo weren't pure within the context of the game. And I just wanted to point out that simply not having an NK at your disposal doesn't automatically make you an Old or Indy Rogue, that's all.

linki @ Llama: You WERE NK'ed in X-men, and then Elo (a civvie as well) rezzed you back into the game. That's how much we DIDN'T lynch you for wanting to be King of the Morlocks :P

Turnip Head wrote:Okay, so, hmm. What did Elo's response do for you, Epi? She basically asked us to lynch her instead of you, which doesn't seem like a great baddie tactic. I assume you still think she's worth lynching since she doesn't have time for the game, but do you legitimately suspect her of being bad? I don't think I do after seeing her response.

On the other hand, even if you don't have the ability to NK your wife as planned, there's only two baddies who have the ability to kill, and they don't have BTSC with the other baddies. So... your newly revealed motivation for lynching Elo doesn't really preclude you from being those other baddie roles. So... I'm on the fence about you now.

DharmaHelper wrote:A mercy kill on his wife is also an easy out for a baddie Epi to not bother making legitimate cases/efforts.

That is literally the first and last time I will address anything Epignosis related.

Turnip Head wrote:Epi, has anything other than Elo caught your eye so far?

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Did Epig speak about Eloh's likely behaviour when she has potential for BTSC? My recollection is that he's really pushing how unlikely it is that she's one of those Old Rogues, while simultaneously pushing the idea that she's a New Rogue... but those roles have a very similar potential for BTSC.

And there seems to be seven roles that have no potential for BTSC, and four of them are ones we don't want to lynch.

And it's probably not worth mentioning that EVERYONE has potential for BTSC via the Map, since that's kind of random and fleeting for the most part.

I've said that I don't think she's read any of the role descriptions but her own.

As a fellow Mafia wife I don't like your assumptions here. Maybe she's playing it cool. LC can't always read me and certainly couldn't make assumptions this early in a game. Quite possibly she's out playing you here.

For future reference, I am not defending Eloh here, I'm just sticking it to the man.

Long Con wrote:Did Epig speak about Eloh's likely behaviour when she has potential for BTSC? My recollection is that he's really pushing how unlikely it is that she's one of those Old Rogues, while simultaneously pushing the idea that she's a New Rogue... but those roles have a very similar potential for BTSC.

And there seems to be seven roles that have no potential for BTSC, and four of them are ones we don't want to lynch.

And it's probably not worth mentioning that EVERYONE has potential for BTSC via the Map, since that's kind of random and fleeting for the most part.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Elohcin was a baddie without BTSC in Death Note, but she posted quite a bit (for her) in that game.

And to add to this note, Elohcin did have potential for BTSC in Death Note.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epi - I do not believe that on Day 0 with one word and one letter you can say with any degree of certainty that Elo is not an Old Rogue -wife or no.
MM is right you are distracting from yourself with Elo and shame on you !

How am I distracting from myself when I have done nothing but bring attention my way?

Do you think Elohcin is even reading the thread?

With how far I am, I'd be inclined to say she is not reading the thread.

How you can already be making assumptions when she's said all but two words (up to the point I've read) doesn't sit right with me. I understand your logic, but I need more concrete evidence.

Sophie wrote:you guyyyys, im drunk
was with my friend and got drunk
remember my drunk rant in rm? i rememebr timemer was there, and little tiher, it was funny
anwyways, my friend came to visit and got drunk with wine and wanna read the thread but its difficult cause everything is blurry }
havent drinked in months, how nice is the feel of a nice glass of w3ine when you hadnt have it in a while, right?? withe wine in the balcony. anyways, i havent drinked in ages almost felt like an old person suddenly, i friend i havent seen since january 4st my birthday came visit and we drunked a had fun. was nice to finally relax for a while, life has been so serious lately

anuuwauyyys cheers, ts community

Turnip Head wrote:He could just be speaking candidly. I know a few other players like to say that they "always play their baddie game". I've seen Epi say that, MP too. It usually doesn't do them any favors when they say it, either :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If I recall, Epignosis said something almost exactly the same in a recent game. Something like Epignosis originally learned how to play as a baddie, so he always plays like a baddie.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I AM THE MAP

What happens if we lynch the map?

Some quantum entanglement shit I guess.

S~V~S wrote:You could be right about her, certainly uou know her better than I. But this on top of your request for sidekick applications, that felt like dropping a hint for Blacksmith.

As of right now, that's what i think.

S~V~S wrote:

Sophie wrote:Changeable votes mean one can vote now and then change it as many times as one wants?
Just to clarify, i ve never played a game in when that happens, and at first it confused me seeing people voting so early

Yeah, as often as you want, Just post you're changing in the thread.

Linki, it's not a loaded question. It is how I see it. I think it's a big fat distraction, tbh.

S~V~S wrote:Epi, I don't think it's a misrepresentation, I think it's pretty accurate.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:So llama is deliberately trying to act in such a way that is like a previous Civ game? Is that supposed to make us think he's Civ in this one? Kind of heavy handed.

I look forward to hearing from him. Perhaps it was Zero shenanigans. But perhaps it was, as you say, deliberate.

As someone who also is married to someone you mafia with, wha do you think of Epi declaring Elo not an Old Rogue based on one 2 word post?

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I don't agree that Elo being disinterested in the game so far means that she's not an Old Rogue and/or is bad, Epi. In fact, I know that circa Harry Potteer mafia, Elo being uninvolved was a civvie tell of hers in your eyes.

That was over a year ago. You don't think Eloh has become a more nuanced player since then?

And this setup is different: As far as I know, only two Old Rogues start with BTSC and can gain it. Only one New Rogue can gain it but doesn't start with it.

I think that she has. You are the one making her sound like she has not; no BTS and she loses interest. I have seen her play a sound civ game with no BTS. Perhaps two games stretches her thin. I know I have issues juggling that at times, and I have been playing for a long time.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't agree that Elo being disinterested in the game so far means that she's not an Old Rogue and/or is bad, Epi. In fact, I know that circa Harry Potteer mafia, Elo being uninvolved was a civvie tell of hers in your eyes.

S~V~S wrote:I don't think Epi has BTSC either becasue if he did, he would have gotten someone else to throw this last distraction bone into the thread, rather than doing it himself. But, same as for Elo, at this point I don't see lack of BTS as as all that much of a threat.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:So Elohcin was lacking the interest even before she even got her role? I believe that discounts your theory that Elohcin lacked interest based on her role and whether or not she has BTSC.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epi - I do not believe that on Day 0 with one word and one letter you can say with any degree of certainty that Elo is not an Old Rogue -wife or no.
MM is right you are distracting from yourself with Elo and shame on you !

How am I distracting from myself when I have done nothing but bring attention my way?

Do you think Elohcin is even reading the thread?

You are distracting from yourself with your "lynch Elo she is not an old rogue" thereby making people look at Elo and your record at reading her.

She could be reading the thread and keeping up but not posting as its day 0 and tbh it was a lot of ot talk. Do you think she has been reading the thread? Do you know everything she does all day while you are at work? What does her reading/not reading the thread have to do with you calling her out after she only posted one word and one letter - also knowing in large games she tends to be quieter until the number of players dwindle a bit?

Elohcin wrote:In. Let the games begin so my husband will shut up

Roxy wrote:Epi - I do not believe that on Day 0 with one word and one letter you can say with any degree of certainty that Elo is not an Old Rogue -wife or no.
MM is right you are distracting from yourself with Elo and shame on you !

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:TH do you believe epi about elo?

I don't. Elohcin was equally as inactive in LMS yesterday, though she did offer an explanation over there, and not here.

What don't you believe exactly?

I don't believe you want to lynch her because she is disinterested. You didn't have a single word to say about her until after I pointed out that she hadn't checked in, and after she commented on her Day 0 vote choice. You immediately said, "I want to lynch Elohcin", but then waited to offer any sort of explanation. I see this as a method to distract from your previous advertisement for a sidekick since that comment drew some heat. Do you still want to lynch Elohcin?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:TH do you believe epi about elo?

I don't. Elohcin was equally as inactive in LMS yesterday, though she did offer an explanation over there, and not here.

DharmaHelper wrote:

After game after game of people depending on me to read Eloh for them, I decided I would quit doing it. It got to the point that my alignment was predicated on Eloh's, and that if I was ever wrong about her, I must be bad. Earlier on I had no qualms about it, but the novelty has worn off, and as I said, I think Elohcin is a better player now. By now, if she has a team made up of certain people, they might devise a way to exploit my read of her. It doesn't mean I won't notice certain things, but, as I said, I'm retiring as the Elohcin expert because the pressure is annoying, prone to abuse, and at times, unfair. I figured that if I stopped doing it, people would quit asking me about it.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think I've ever seen Epi call Elo out this early in the game. It has my attention. She's said two words so far. Which word did you find more suspicious, Epi?

All the ones she didn't say.

She strikes me as disinterested. She is never disinterested if she has BTSC. That means she isn't Captain Cold or Heat Wave. The possibility of BTSC would also keep her interested, so she isn't Golden Glider or Blacksmith. That means if she is an old rogue, she has to be Mirror Master, Weather Wizard, or The Trickster.

And if any of you are those roles, then it reduces her chances of being an old rogue even further for you.

You will, ofc, forgive me if I do not believe you straight away bc you have been wrong before.

Bf - I get what you are saying about the baddies signaling each other but I do not think Bullz is being dismissive nor do I feel you are defensive.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think I've ever seen Epi call Elo out this early in the game. It has my attention. She's said two words so far. Which word did you find more suspicious, Epi?

blindfaeth wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Which jokes are you referring to?

Monkey Boys jokes? Epi searching for a sidekick? Or other?

A bit of both really. I always see day 0 as a doss, good for a laugh but not much else. I know I'm far from alone in that opinion. So it surprises me that so much seems to be being made out of so little.

No one is making it a big thing. Epignosis hasn't even really responded to it. I am not aggressively pursuing him. (Likely because there isn't a vote this period, but still :P ) It's not possible you are both bad two games in a row is it?

Sorry BF, did I touch a nerve there? Awfully defensive for someone who isn't being directly called out.

You're awfully dismissive of an idea that you shouldn't be opposed to. Whether it's what episode did or not, you can't deny that the baddies will be trying to signal to eachother.

thellama73 wrote:Is it Day 1 yet? I want to lynch people.

blindfaeth wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to lynch Elohcin.

Why?

DharmaHelper wrote:Guys, guys, come on. Its not like Epignosis would make his non-civvie role painfully obvious on purpose.

Suguru Shimura - Epignosis

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