The Syndicate

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:No I have an obscene amount of glee about you accusing me of posting not much when I've posted a decent amount.

Number of posts doesn't mean quality. You just pop in here today to post whom you think you're voting for. No reason why.

And you were 15th in the "Who has the most compelling shit to say" day.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62&start=920#p2755

(Notice that your # of posts was greater than mine, your # of words was half, your # of theories was a third)

Yet you get no scrutiny. That's how it works in this game, yeah? Just say only enough not to get noticed by not saying too little.

Is Herman a silent killer, DP?

Illyria wrote:Epi, sorry I am fighting off migraine. So I will say that until your monster post, I had only a suspicion. After you posted I felt more sure about as you were tap dancing really hard to give us a rope a dope (lookit the left hand!).

I am not lying when I say I am not Herman. When your migraine wears off and you are comfortable, would you please consider the data I've laid out? I feel as though it's been ignored and now, just because I've taken the time to present it (and I did make an error, and I did admit it), I'm assumed to be Herman.

DisgruntledPorcupine is on the list too, has rarely posted, and seems to take an obscene amount of glee in voting for me along with S~V~S.

S~V~S wrote: OK, this post kinda does it for me. It sounds kind of like Epi really, really loves this role. A few things.

I'm not Herman.

S~V~S wrote: If we all decide who we think the MV might be, he is far from impossible to lynch. And teammates vote for each other ALL THE TIME. So looking at the potential Herman list and saying "Anyone who voted for these people can't be the MV" is a total double WIFOM deluxe with cheese.

Indeed. I realized that was no good when I tried to go through with my investigation this afternoon.

S~V~S wrote: And pointing out the fallacy of my post does not make the rest of it less valid, nice job of trivializing. And "Oh, I think Herman is dead, yeah, so the MV can only be killed at night (not true, BTW) so lets move along people, nothing to see here~"

I've been working with my theory all afternoon. I'm convinced now that Herman is still alive (thanks to a friggin post I missed).

S~V~S wrote: I am gonna vote Epignosis now.

*Does So*

Linki~ all mafia is circumstantial, my friend. There is seldom a smoking gun.

Very well. Alea iacta est.

Translation: "Sit back and speak rarely like AcesofSpace and DisgruntledPorcupine do."

Thanks for the tip.

Illyria wrote:Wow, it is rare to see someone dig their own grave so cheerfully. Well done epi!

What? There are five possibilities as to who Herman can be. Why are you and DH so convinced I'm him? You don't offer any evidence. It's just mindless "Tee hee, okay, you're him cuz you're like, making a big deal about him and stuff."

Yes, Herman did not kill when I was voted for. Noted. But that's circumstantial, and it also makes for poor odds.

Never mind- I no longer believe juliets was Herman. Here is why:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:A question for the Host

@ MP~ do ones powers go through on a night you die? Sorry if this was already asked, i may have missed it

Yes, they do.

juliets was killed on Night 6 and received no lynch votes. And there were no missing PMs. So unless juliets PMed "I don't wish to kill anyone today," juliets cannot be Herman.

This is fun!

How are you so sure juliets was not Herman? Do you know something about juliets that the rest of us don't?

I'm not accepting "unlikely" in this audit. You can narrow down the list more based on your own criteria if you wish, but I just want observable facts for now. I did mistake Boomslang, but where is a vote for Dom?

++++

OK

Herman killed on nights 1, 2, 3, 4,& 5.

People who received votes on Day 1 are: BoatsBoatsBoats, Boomslang, Captain Bunny Killer, DharmaHelper, insertnamehere, Leech, S~V~S, Vompatti

Source: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62&p=1717#p1718

People who received votes on Day 2 are: bea, chaindeath, LoRab, rabbit8, S~V~S, The Truth, triceratopzeuhl

Source: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62&start=560#p2109

People who received votes on Day 3 are: rabbit8, Mr. Droopy Cash, insertnamehere, Vompatti

Source: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62&start=1160#p3452

People who received votes on Day 4 are: Vompatti, BoatsBoatsBoats, insertnamehere, rabbit8, DharmaHelper

Source: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62&start=1160#p3453

People who received votes on Day 5 are: DharmaHelper, Little Tiger, Flyin' High, triceratopzeuhl, timmer, reywaS

Source: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62&start=1640#p4016

++++

Now then, disregarding the players whose identities were revealed (or players who died before more Herman killings), that leaves me with this list:

AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom
Epignosis
Jokreher
juliets

My old list did include Boomslang, who received a vote on day one, so Boomslang isn't it (sorry Boom!).

I'm going to go through this a second time, as I do see one mistake I made.

DharmaHelper wrote:AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom

Again, of those people you mentioned only Aces and DP and YOU can possibly be Herman, based on prior voting.

Between the three of you, only one of you had a vote the two nights Herman did not kill. That would be you.

You fail to take into account possible role blocking. That's why you cannot disqualify people based on Herman NOT killing.

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
I would be interested in a lynch of Epignosis.

I would also like to talk about who may be Hermans partner. Getting rid of Herman would be a good start for getting rid of him and his recruit. Does anyone have a list of Hermans kills and Epignosis' votes? I have toleave for work very shortly, but I may be able to get on it tonight if no one else does.

I would be ok with an Epi lynch, I am just not as sure he is Herman...

I most certainly would not be okay with such a thing.

My mind is made up that Herman is dead, and I strongly believe juliets was Herman. In order to detect The Mysterious Voice, deeper sleuthing is required, which I am prepared to do now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Mysterious Voice – Master and controller of many alternate dimensions. It is looking to invade and fully conquer the third dimension, and its first step in doing so is enslaving mankind and anything else that gets in its way. (Secrets) A power not to be trifled with, The Mysterious Voice starts off every lynch period with negative three votes against it.

This indicates that The Mysterious Voice will be extremely difficult to lynch.

As the ultimate puppetmaster, The Mysterious Voice can select up to four players each night and switch around their night targets to its liking.

This alone made it a nigh impossible task to determine who is who by reading into the night posts.

Additionally, any night action that targets The Mysterious Voice is automatically redirected back at its sender until Herman the Planet Smasher dies.

Yet another wrench in the gears of clearheaded cogitation.

However, this means that, in conjunction with the negative 3 lynch votes, The Mysterious Voice could not have been night killed until Herman's demise. In other words, The Mysterious Voice is (was?) damn near invincible.

Once Herman is gone, The Mysterious Voice does not inherit the kill from Herman and cannot redirect any night actions but can still use its switch power.

If we accept my assumption that Herman is history, then this means The Mysterious Voice is vulnerable, but only really at night- hopefully the Residents may do us a favor and unwittingly off him (as I suspect they did regarding Herman on Night 6).

Assuming a non-switched night kill, DharmaHelper was targeted by Ziltoid's army, but mistakenly killed (then brought back). This likely means that Ziltoid meant to attack DH, but DH had some manner of protection. Hence, DH is likely a civilian or, less possibly, a Resident. However (!)

It begins searching for a new slave the night subsequent to Herman’s death; the player it chooses has their win condition altered to that of the Duo and they gain BTSC. If the target chosen is The Omnidimensional Creator, the recruit attempt fails automatically. When The Mysterious Voice’s current slave dies, it searches the subsequent night for another slave; this continues until The Mysterious Voice is eliminated. Any slave recruit that already has BTSC retains it with its former team, but no longer feels allegiance to them. Once The Mysterious Voice is nightkilled or lynched, the Duo loses; assuming a slave or Herman is still alive, that player dies as well.

If I am right about Herman, The Mysterious Voice would have had to choose a new slave on Night 7. This of course is not information presented in the night post, and unless somehow The Mysterious Voice was role blocked, we are safe to assume that one of us now serves him.

S~V~S wrote:
Getting rid of Herman would be a good start for getting rid of him and his recruit. Does anyone have a list of Hermans kills and Epignosis' votes? I have toleave for work very shortly, but I may be able to get on it tonight if no one else does.

I may be misunderstanding your pronoun / antecedants, but Herman has to be killed before The Mysterious Voice recruits anyone.

Now if I am wrong about Herman being dead, then we still have a list of possible suspects:

AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom
Jokreher
Juliets

Relying on this list of possible Herman the Planet Smashers, then, we may be able to narrow down who could be The Mysterious Voice by seeing who voted for these people (surely The Mysterious Voice would not cast a vote for Herman and negate a kill opportunity). Following that reasoning, anyone who voted for one of these people above is unlikely to be The Mysterious Voice. I cannot do that right now; perhaps this afternoon (early release due to weather).

Still not Herman.

Actually, "Lo," is kind of biblical. "Lo, I am a civvie. Fear not!" haha

S~V~S wrote:
And, lo, I really AM a civvie. No trick.

But that has to suck! Getting a mean gift like that. Do you think there's more to it?

1. If you really are a civilian, that sucks S~V~S. Maybe it's a trick though?

2. DH, I'm not Herman. But your suspicion doesn't mean you were evil.

3. Guess I need to figure this one out: This blind musician, nicknamed "The Viking of 6th Avenue", considers himself an independent crusader of justice, but will only strike others if he feels he is being threatened or misunderstood. Once he feels he is being adequately threatened, Moondog will use his spear and all of his willpower to attack any perceived enemies. If he loses the means or will to do so, he then wanders the streets in hopes of concealing himself. (Secrets)

And why would Moondog think me evil and assault me?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:HANDING OUT BREAD AND JAM JUST LIKE ANY PICNIC

Sorry- had to!

Ironic. I listened to that earlier tonight. Such a great album!

My son listens to SEBTP every night now. He gets excited when I play "Firth of Fifth" on the piano. "That's track number free! Number free!" he says (th isn't his best phoneme). Wow, he just got up and hit "play," so it's back to "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight."

Voted 4.

BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think out of the 3 people I mentioned, the one that seems the most attractive to me is SVS, so she is getting my vote.

Votes SVS

Voting SVS as well. She hasn't come up with any insane theories, so that's good in my book.

My theories are not insane.

But I'm going to vote for S~V~S also (and hope against hope we do not rue our decision).

S~V~S wrote:We can't say, i was asked my opinion, I gave it

I was responding to the person above you. You actually ninja'd me, and I couldn't be bothered to change my post (cooking and all).

S~V~S wrote: Certainly, i could be wrong (look Flyin Highs book, coming out soon, "All the Times SVS Was Wrong"~ it's a big book with tiny print and no pictures). But i think he said something in the post, and that is what will happen.

Who can say if this poll is a lynch at all?

Consistent unpredictability in an Avant-garde game implies that unpredictability is normalcy.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Don't forget:

We can now suspect these people of being Herman the Planet Smasher.

AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom
Jokreher
juliets

Look at Herman's power: If he receives a single vote, he cannot harm us! Let's make sure all of these people receive at least one vote.

Wrong Epig :P


As the only person on that list to receive a vote Day 6, and since Herman didn't kill Night 6, that makes you Herman.

This is some fantastic reasoning now, isn't it? It fails to consider role blocking or the possibility that juliets was Herman.

DharmaHelper wrote: Epig didn't put himself on his own list? Go figure :P

There's quite a simple explanation for that.

Don't forget:

We can now suspect these people of being Herman the Planet Smasher.

AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom
Jokreher
juliets

Look at Herman's power: If he receives a single vote, he cannot harm us! Let's make sure all of these people receive at least one vote.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Interesting. I wonder what to do here...

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Woah, Joke is still alive?

That was your first response to the possibility that you could be Herman.

In fact, I encourage the people here to vote for all those I have named at least once. That will keep Herms from killing someone.

I'm not fucking Herman. God, I spent an hour on that shit. Look, if I get killed by Herman, I've done you a service.

Given the knowledge regarding Herman the Planet Smasher, I went through the past votes. I therefore suspect that these are the only people who can be Herman the Planet Smasher:

AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom
Jokreher
uliets

Look at Herman's power: If he receives a single vote, he cannot harm us! Let's make sure all of these people receive at least one vote.

Additionally, I was wondering about why I got targeted by a Residents member but then my name didn't appear in the summary. I went through the roles:

The Sinister Exaggerator – Loves to exaggerate! (Secrets)

Maybe we should compare what is said in the post to what is said in the summary.

I voted Portal 4. No reason, really, except that it isn't 2.

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

reywaS wrote:

juliets wrote:I've looked in the portalscope through all 4 portals and agree number 2 looks the best. Should I provide any more info about each portal or do you guys think that will help baddie?

I'd like to know more, but if you think giving up any more info on the portals would benefit the baddies and shouldn't be told then I understand.

Pretty much this. Having looked through it myself, I would recommend we not openly discuss what each one reveals as it could help the baddies.

I'm also going to trust Juliets on this one. I think she has the right idea.

Uh-uh. If Portal 2 looks the "best," then it's probably "The One that Doesn't Belong" and I refuse to vote for it, given our host.

I've not said anything today because I've spent it working on my first Mafia experience. Please check it out: viewtopic.php?f=7&p=4324#p3116

I thought about that - like, is it too good to be true - but there was no way I could see to distinguish which of the other three would be "good". Others who look may feel differently of course and vote differently.

Of course there isn't a way to distinguish which of the other three would be beneficial. That would be too easy. But picking the "nice" one with the pretty women and the free pizza and the flowers and the good music (whatever is there, I do not know)- that's silly. Pick any of the others I say, and take your chances.

Of course, maybe I'm just a blithering idiot.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

reywaS wrote:

juliets wrote:I've looked in the portalscope through all 4 portals and agree number 2 looks the best. Should I provide any more info about each portal or do you guys think that will help baddie?

I'd like to know more, but if you think giving up any more info on the portals would benefit the baddies and shouldn't be told then I understand.

Pretty much this. Having looked through it myself, I would recommend we not openly discuss what each one reveals as it could help the baddies.

I'm also going to trust Juliets on this one. I think she has the right idea.

Uh-uh. If Portal 2 looks the "best," then it's probably "The One that Doesn't Belong" and I refuse to vote for it, given our host.

I've not said anything today because I've spent it working on my first Mafia experience. Please check it out: viewtopic.php?f=7&p=4324#p3116

Son of a hell.

Anybody get upset if I roll a four sided die for this one?

Dom wrote:Nothing has changed my mind. I find her more suspicious than the case against Epi. Although, I wouldn't mind looking at him later. I just think FH is bad more.

This experience should be called "Dilemmas," not "Mafia."

I feel as though any explanation I could offer would only make me look even more suspicious. Not offering one has the same effect. I'll go with the former course of action and leave the judgment to my virtual peers:

Anyone who knows me, knows I favor my cups, and I am usually in them around 10:30 at night. So I gave the resurrection vote to the cast of a die (that I keep at my desk for Gladiators). Probably foolish, but there you are. (I hear you veterans now, "Ho ho, playing the booze card! Nice try Ep!")

Never mind that I was oddly assaulted for my vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis was trying to forget his mistakes in voting, and trying to convince himself that he would not make another mistake. But a green eyeball materialized. The figure held an old-fashioned Tommy gun in its hands. It hissed, "For voting chaindeath!" Epignosis ducked behind a piece of furniture as the shots rained down upon him. Epignosis cried out! When the shots stopped, Epignosis cautiously raised his head, and saw no one.

Now what strikes me as odd about this night post is that even though I evidently escaped some kind of execution attempt, my name doesn't appear in the enlarged summary. Now either the Sock made a mistake, or something else is going on here.

Anyway, speaking of dilemmas, if I don't vote with the crowd and Flyin' High turns out to be evil, then that's another stroke against me, isn't it?

That seems strange- why would you assume to vote for him?

I rolled a six sided die and got a six. So chaindeath.

Probably evil, given my luck.

In other words, you're a shitty communicator.

DharmaHelper wrote:Going to go to bed, but before I do I just want to say that my methods may seem whacked out but, obviously, they work.

Luckily =/= obviously.

DharmaHelper wrote:Must...exercise...restraint...

You made longwinded arguments that I did not buy into. Sorry. I tried.

But you are safe, are you not? We FINALLY successfully lynched a bad person, and we have more information.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Did anyone who voted for me apart from INH give a reason, btw?

I voted for you. I did not give a reason.

Would you like one?

It wouldn't hurt.

You're weird. And I needed to vote in a hurry.

DharmaHelper wrote:Did anyone who voted for me apart from INH give a reason, btw?

I voted for you. I did not give a reason.

Would you like one?

Sorry DH- I'm honestly bewildered at this point. But I'm going with you.

Lies. No one "studies" for finals.

Okay, just making sure.

Any reason why?

I am more interested in the night posts than the lynch votes, to be honest. I mean, wouldn't an experienced group of evil people deliberately NOT vote in unison?

When did Sheldon Cooper suddenly join in?

I'm starting to think I would just be better off voting randomly. Close my eyes and point. Sorry for leading the angry mob, Vomp.

DharmaHelper wrote:Maybe it means every vote against you is counted as three votes

Maybe it does. So?

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Guess I'm fucked. See ya everyone.

Lol...you start with 3 votes....I'm pretty sure at least that many people have committed to Vomp already. However, the fact that you jump on this so quickly worries me.

Jump on the fact that I have three plus votes? That's kind of lazy "sleuthing" isn't it?

Anyway, I'll vote for Vomps now. He's done.