The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I forgot to mention. I was against the idea of killing Epignosis because he does get nightkilled so often as a civilian. I liked the idea of giving him a chance to play the game out. Also, I know he doesn't get lazy in late-game situations (usually), so as mafia I know he's one of the few people who will discuss, and because he will stay open-minded, there's potential for mafia to talk themselves out of being lynched with him around.

In fact, I don't think I've ever been on a mafia team that's nightkilled Epignosis. Gonna have to change that habit before I get caught.

I also don't think I've been on a mafia team that hasn't nightkilled Black Rock. :P

Thank you good sir

and

Dom wrote:
ika wrote:So for anyone wondering why I never posted I don't do cypher posting
The reason why I hoped you did is because I had the key to translate it. I responded to what people posted so they'd trust me.

That's why Illy did that 180 on me. Though, I suppose I might have told my role to LC.... played me like a fiddle.

Actually, I made you target DrWilgy Night 2...and mixed up the night I did it, and so had ruled you out for Lady Rose until I went back and audited my night actions.

I also have to say this: Illyria is one of the best damn BTSC partners you could hope for.

Scotty wrote:Hey- just saw we won!

Yippee! I did not think Mafia would kill their own, so that was a surprise. I still thought in the back of my mind that either Epi or ika was the other baddie, but knew Mm was the safer bet.

When he hinted at surviving his lynch, he tipped his hand to me because that was my role. So thanks for that, Mm. I also wasn't worried about being blackmailed because for some reason I thought you could only blackmail someone with a night power. But eh, worked out in the end.

That was a stressful game. I couldn't understand llama's reads. I think in the end I would have believed Wilgy checked Epi and found BTSC and determined that it was civ BTSC. Sorry for suspecting you almost all game, Epi. I thank all the peeps that backed you up and made me question my own mortality.

Good game civs, and good try baddies. Thanks for the game, Elo! I like this winning thing.

As I said, I was convinced you and MM were teammates and that you were going to come back and vote ika at the last minute, forcing endgame. I gained an ulcer today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:We couldn't have known you were going to kill her in the Scrimmage game. Had I known that would happen, I would have voted for a different target.

Also, Epignosis. On Night 2, DF did not save your bacon. We opted to gambit, and not place a nightkill at all. :P

Why no kill? Why kill your teammate?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, it was fun giving you guys something to chew on when we killed Long Con.

I also didn't realize that Epignosis could choose his target's new targets. I had to be careful on the last phase about Lorab, because I figured out Illy was silenced around halfway through the day, and there was no way Lorab would have targeted Illy on her own. I knew Epignosis had to have redirected Lorab's action, but I thought it had randomly gone to Illy.

Well, I was directing actions left and right early on, but I was doing so thinking I could direct the kill. I learned midway that I could not redirect kills...so I was worried I had been squandering my action.

Also, Jesus, Logan. What the hell was that?

Also, Jesus, DrWilgy. What the hell was that?

Elohcin wrote:Ika - you can take the banner off your signature. Epi told me to remove it b/c it wasn't good. He wants me to ask LC to make them.

I've stopped making my own banners too.

With ika's vote on himself, I was worried all day Scotty and MM were going to come in and vote ika at the last minute. They didn't know Illyria couldn't vote because I made Lorab target her, but I was worried sick.

So DFaraday saved my biscuits Night 2.

LoRab wrote:Personally, mainly because I'm stubborn, I'm not putting it outside the realm of possibility that LC was bad and his team killed him to protect his identity, seeing that his lynch seemed inevitable. What that means for this new lynch, I'm not sure. But I'm not buying that LC was civ. If he was, killing him would make no sense for the baddies.

Give this lady a prize.

I'm having heart palpitations. I must take a dose of salts.

That was it?

Polo wrote:I'm anxious.

It's going to be a bit, I can tell you.

LoRab wrote:And then he moved back to me.

And still hasn't posted.

He can't be silenced, because he voted....so I just don't get it.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:And now switching to me, without a post, and for no explained reason.

I think Ika just earned my vote.

Either decide not to be involved, but then actually don't play. It's not ok to use your vote and then not actually post about it or your reasons. Not to mention defending.

*votes Ika*
I don't think that's wise. He's being cheeky. He did the same thing to me. Please go back to MM.
Because I trust you, I will. Even if I don't think my vote will make a difference in either direction.

That said, I don't trust Ika. Why hasn't he posted, but changed his vote multiple times?

Well, his vote is on MM now.

I think he's having a bit of fun is all.

I think MM pretended to be blackmailed in order to get me lynched. I can't see any reason for him to vote me if he were blackmailed at this point unless he were Mrs. Patmore (who could be dead) or Dr. Clarkson (who almost certainly is). I think he tried to pull a fast one.

I want Mrs. Patmore (or ghost Mrs. Patmore, whichever is the case) to roast up some marmot tonight.

LoRab wrote:And now switching to me, without a post, and for no explained reason.

I think Ika just earned my vote.

Either decide not to be involved, but then actually don't play. It's not ok to use your vote and then not actually post about it or your reasons. Not to mention defending.

*votes Ika*

I don't think that's wise. He's being cheeky. He did the same thing to me. Please go back to MM.

ika, what's your opinion of Scotty and MM? Which do you think is bad, if either?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Illyria wrote:Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....
You know, I will vote for Mm. I have a hunch, plus he was my first gut read as scum in this game.

Vote MM
Well that's convenient isn't it?

This isn't the worst thing that could happen today, but it's certainly not the best either.
What would be the worst thing that could happen?
I'll let you know if it happens.
Speak.
It didn't happen.

That would be you being lynched . I think that would have been the worst outcome.

That isn't how I interpreted this. I interpreted this as an indication that the lynch would be stopped. If you were Joseph Molesley, however, you would not have a reason to fear being blackmailed, as a lynch survival is not a Night action. That could mean you were Dr. Clarkson, able to stop the lynch, and that retaining possession of your night action was paramount, since you would want to bring back Black Rock and not Sorsha.

That would be the worst thing that could happen.

To add to it, you asked this:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, do you think the Doctor is still alive? The role not the player.

If you are Clarkson, you can stop this lynch. If you are not Clarkson then you are naughty and must be punished.

That's why I think you are the safest lynch.

Scotty wrote:If I were Mafia, I would have killed you by now.

How's that for WIFOM.

Also I think I have an idea of what Dom is now that he mentioned it. I remember him indirectly hinting at it, so I think I will leave him.

Ika and llama are on my list, and I've never brought up ika before since he's had my back, but of course he would know that I'm civ if he were bad.
That he's voting for llama isn't a great sign, but I feel stronger that llama is bad based on his voting this game.

Bullshit.

...

Scotty wrote:
Matt wrote:Alright, so Epi hasn't responded to SVS yet, but he did just post and it looks like he's still eyeing nutella.

That's good right now!

Something we need to figure out assuming SVS doesn't get Bullz lynched today...

Do we kill SVS or not?

I'm not sure which looks better, tbh. I'm leaning on letting her live.

She might even question her own instincts if we let her live.
I was thinking about that, as I said earlier. But I do think killing her is our best option:

If we kill Epi, who is our current knight in shining armor, Wilgy and SVS- who have current doubts (even though Wilgy hasn't voted Bullz yet)- could just lynch Bullz and we will prolly lose. Plus to the lay observer, mafia killing one of the 2 most non-civ players throughout the game is a glaringly obvious strategy that these guys might pick up on.

If we kill SVS, then at least Wilgy can continue being a Doubting Dennis, and we still have a chance with Epi clearing us. It could look like framing being done for Bullz, and I think we would still have a chance to make it out.

Or. Epi could just wise up after his main target, nutella, is found to be civ, and vote Bullz.

Scotty is okay with keeping me around because I defended Bullzeye.

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Scotty wrote:That long winded Epi ISO post is like Ben Brantley rating your performance as outstanding on the opening night of your Broadway debut.

He's clearing you as civ.

Now if SVS comes back with some high falootin theory abou your badness, it might be a good idea to keep her around because of her penchant to suspect you. I don't know what concrete evidence she can come back with that counteract Epi's brilliant ISO on you. With a steady stream of suspicion coming from SVS it will give you more cred for the Mafia not killing you. the question is will anyone buy it?

Let me think about this.

He plans to keep me around because I defended Bullzeye (his teammate).

From LOST AGAIN

Scotty wrote:While I do think that zebra is the only person bringing suspicion on zebra, I'm not so sure she's going I have much traction. Throwing your name around could just look like a desperation distraction move on her part and see what sticks. Plus having a little suspicion is not bad.

I was thinking maybe an Epi lynch. SVS is the easy one, but I think Epi's suspect list is better for us. Guess it depends on who gets lynched today.

He plans for my lynch.

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Scotty wrote:Dagnabbit.

Ah well. Typh has been very spot on with his suspicions this game.
I have to agree with Bullz that he should die. Literally no one is suspecting him or can suspect him. Except Wilgy right now for some reason. But Wilgy is not looking hot right now so who's going to listen to him?

Yeah, Typh is the best option here.

And again.

From LOST AGAIN

Scotty wrote:Jeez. Typh is literally the town version of Hitler. I -really- wish he had died N1. And since Sorsha is gone, and we didn't take advantage of that blocker claim (it would be bad timing anyway) he's all but cleared as good. Now people will take what he says as gospel.

Scotty demonstrates a concern for strategy again.

From LOST AGAIN

Scotty wrote:Hahahaha love you guys.

So here's where I think I may have saved myself today:

Epi still hasn't voted or commented. I put up a case for nutella, Epi's main suspicion. Wilgy then votes for Epi, even though he will could be the deciding vote. It might end in a tie. WHO KNOWS? THE MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR NEVER ENDS. NEXT TIME, ON LOST (again)!

Scotty wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:After Typh, I think we need to kill Epi and SVS. They're the most likely to pick me out as bad, IMO. Everyone else I can handle.
SVS should go first I think before Epi. He's at least not as solid-looking civ.

Even if I do go today, Bullz, you are strong man! Chin up! Mr. Friendly doesn't die in the show, does he?

Strategy.

From LOST AGAIN

Scotty wrote:Well Matt, it is done. I have voted you with much chagrin.

@Golden did we find out if we can continue to post in here after death? Because I do value Matt's voice and would hate to lose him!

Scotty will vote a teammate if it comes down to it, but he doesn't like to do it.

From LOST AGAIN

Scotty wrote:Got a question for you all.
Maybe not now, but in like 2-3 nights time (the night after we kill Sorsha, which we definitely should do on night 4) if I haven't been lynched by then, and Matt is still alive, or Bullz is slipping (hypothetical), how devious would it be for me to lie about being a civ blocker. Only we know that the civs will be out of power roles. If we don't put a kill in, and I come out saying that I blocked Matt/Bullz....game set and match. No one will want to kill me until I don't die 2 nights in a row after that and they catch on to my lie?

Hmm, I'll keep thinking on it. It's really late and I just feel anxious all the time.

Is there a Mafia help line??

You know what you are, Scotty? You're a schemer.

Epignosis wrote:ika, are you bad?

Let's rephrase this question: If you're not bad, and I'm not bad, who is bad?

From LOST AGAIN

Scotty wrote:
Matt wrote:Any ideas on night one yet?

I'm not even sure who all is playing lol
I think LC is pretty dangerous and good at reading people.

Clapping Epi on the back with an axe would not be a bad idea. He's pretty much playing up Sawyer as much as possible and can be a pain in our neck down the road.

I found some required reading I either forgot about or never noticed before.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... it=cleared

ika, are you bad?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Illyria wrote:Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....
You know, I will vote for Mm. I have a hunch, plus he was my first gut read as scum in this game.

Vote MM
Well that's convenient isn't it?

This isn't the worst thing that could happen today, but it's certainly not the best either.
What would be the worst thing that could happen?
I'll let you know if it happens.

Speak.

Epignosis wrote:I think MetalMarsh89 is the best choice for a lynch right now. I'll explain why later.

In the meantime, discuss.

I think MetalMarsh89 is the best choice for a lynch right now. I'll explain why later.

Epignosis wrote:We need all hands on deck. If you are a civilian at this point, do not waste your vote, and if you have a role ability, use it according to your best guess.

That means please don't self-vote or not vote, and please don't PM the host saying, "I don't want to use my ability tonight." Use it. All hands on deck.

We need all hands on deck. If you are a civilian at this point, do not waste your vote, and if you have a role ability, use it according to your best guess.

LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:
Illyria wrote: ^^ THIS. Ika, you are making it very difficult to believe that you are a Confused Civvie.
THEN FUCKIGN VOTE ME TOMMORW THE FACT EVERYONE FUCKINS SUSPECTS ME MAGICALY NOW IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. LITYL EVERYONE SOMEHOW WENT FROM IM TOW TO SCM IN A MATTER OF WHAT? HRS? MINUITES? ONE GOD DAMN POST?

EVERYOEN IS CALLING ME SCUM SO THEREFORE I MUST BE CONFIRMED SCUM. LETS FUCKING VOTE ME TOMMORW AND SEE WHERE THAT LANDS US OK?
I want to be kind, but this post makes me suspect you more. The suspicion of you isn't from no where; you've been mentioned for days.

And during the last lynch, when you made a similar post, everyone stepped back from you. I wonder if you aren't trying to use the same philosophy and seeing if it works a second time.

linkitis: MM, Ika, or Scotty. Because they are the 3 I suspect most. MM's posts haven't made me feel any better about him since they started making me feel suspious of him last round. Ika, see above. And Scotty I've been suspish of for a while. Claiming to have a non-power role in a game where there is no such thing doesn't help my feelings on him.

When ika and I were bad, we flipped out on each other in BTSC. I don't recall him having a meltdown in the thread. The biggest point against him is the Silverwolf kill, but in the last game, he tried to pin it on a teammate. ika hasn't tried to bus anybody so far (i.e., his accusations have all been civilian, if you count me).

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I want reason for your Rab suspicion 1st if you can daisy.
Yes, I concur with this.

Scotty is one I could easily see being bad. He's kept kind of a low profile this game.

thellama73 wrote:I'm putting my vote on Scotty for now. The more I think about him, the more I suspect he's been flying under the radar this whole time.

I'm not even going to hold this over your head. thellama73's involvement was a shamefur dispray.
It's fine. He went after you for 1.5 phases until he died in a blazing fury of alpaca fur, but I'm willing to let bygones be bygones there.

What if we vote ika today? Would that yield a scum flip?

That sounds like bottom of the barrel scraping to me. Remember how you wanted to go halfsies on Matt? Yeah, that didn't work out so well.

thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I want reason for your Rab suspicion 1st if you can daisy.
Yes, I concur with this.

Scotty is one I could easily see being bad. He's kept kind of a low profile this game.

thellama73 wrote:I'm putting my vote on Scotty for now. The more I think about him, the more I suspect he's been flying under the radar this whole time.

I'm not even going to hold this over your head. thellama73's involvement was a shamefur dispray.

Scotty wrote:Keep it coming, y'all. I've tried to be nothing but forthcoming this game.

In MM's universe:
Edith Crawley calling out someone as good means they're good.
Tom switching the lynch off of LoRab means she is good.
Mrs. Pattmore silencing me means I'm bad.
Mrs Hughes and BTSC mate removing Epi from the poll means he's good.

These people only know what they are, and can suspect based on unproven variables. It doesn't clear anyone.

And being forthcoming doesn't clear you.

You don't think trying to work out those whom you should not lynch isn't a smart thing to do?

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.
What about ika? I know you're trusting of Illyria, but why is she still alive?
She's still alive because nobody has tried to kill her.

Why is anybody still alive? Why are you?
Why is that, though? Like, no one has suspected her like they suspected the rest of us. Most of the game.

Of course, whoever is killing has a very weird way of going about the killings on the surface, so who knows.

Uh...

Illyria
4
Matt (3), ika (14), Long Con (16), Sorsha (17)
22%

You've taken two votes the entire time- one from Lorab and one from thellama73. Plus Matt had been itching to lynch Illyria.

Scotty wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:No, a civ who has suspicions and ideas has only that: suspicions and ideas. By taking Epi off the poll, they are sure that he is good. But people make mistakes.
Obvi Epi is off the table today, but that does not clear him. If he is civ, then there's a more than half chance we'll find one of two baddies. Which I guess makes me feel better.

Also wtf ika. Don't vote yourself if you are good.
Some civs have suspicions. Some civs have ideas. But some civs also have BTSC.
Ok. This still doesn't clear him. It just means there could be an echo chamber in civ BTSC. 'do you like Kesha?' 'I love Kesha' 'hahaha me too, good talk. Everyone must love Kesha.'

What does clear a person, in your estimation?

LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.
Listen to those doubts. They speak the truth.

Well, help me out: Who would you lynch right now and why?

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Scotty, MM: What's your opinion of ika's self-voting?
It smells like either ika is content with town losing and is civ or is content with town losing and is mafia

Thanks for covering the gamut of possibilities.

Scotty, MM: What's your opinion of ika's self-voting?

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.
What about ika? I know you're trusting of Illyria, but why is she still alive?

She's still alive because nobody has tried to kill her.

Why is anybody still alive? Why are you?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.
Ow, that hurts.

It should, because I'm going to start from the premise that you and Scotty are Thomas and James and go from there.

I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.

What did I misrepresent, ika? You don't really say anything to represent or misrepresent.

ika wrote:mod is no lynch an option

its good to know scotty is rpbally the lynch remover

How does that make any sense?

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