The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:Uhh what's the eighth?

I don't know. I just counted. Jobs 1, 13, 28, and 31. Sides 9, 12, 19, and 27.

Ricochet wrote:Folks, we need to talk about the Browns.

Top FEBs

Wins
Players

7
Elohcin, Epignosis, Metalmarsh89

I count eight Mafia wins on this site for me.

Elohcin wrote:We won't find out til Saturday?

This girl.

Scotty wrote:Rereading this thread now during my show, and I'm flabbergasted. You may have just given away the game, Epi.

Timmer voting for Wilgy was so WIFOM that I think I'm turning into wine

Pls tel me we didn't just lose

I'm rather tired of shouldering all the blame for a loss, whether it be of a civilian or the entire deal. I am one vote. One. I spent my evening trying to determine, among other things, if Eloh was bad or not. If she's bad, then she did a fine job of talking her way out of it, and I commend her for that.

Are you suggesting that I should have voted contrary to my thinking at the time?

Sriracha.

We'll find out Saturday when zebra posts.

Calling your bluff, timmer. Calling your bluff, shee?

Yeah, I made a crackerjack case on Wilgy. I'm fine landing there.

Vote ends in 12 minutes.

I would like timmer's opinion in all of this. Oh he voted Wilgy.

Elohcin wrote:well, I was going to and nor DF voted me too. what shall we do, Epi?

I drilled you.

In more ways than one.

If you're bad, then the evidence that you're good just outweighed that in my opinion.

People right now are being lazy.

DF?

I don't think Eloh is the right vote DF.

Elohcin wrote:I need to go to sleep Epi....whatcha got for me?

The poll ends in like 20 minutes.

Elohcin wrote:you still willing to vote wilgy? what about df?

No no. Let's make this fun. Whom do you want to lynch?

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm going to read through spacedaisy real quick.
So are you still not sure if your vote will stay there then? I will vote with you if I can, but I cannot follow you around the poll board like a puppy dog

Epignosis wrote:Spacedaisy didn't really jump into things until Day 3. She made a huge post. She had me as bad but said I was good in the same post.
I don't remember much of spacedaisy. I think she was inactive in the first few days when I was active. I do remember her saying in the election game mafia that bwt was there visiting.

linki...okay epi. Who do you think? I was happy with scotty

You don't really suspect anybody. You're just voter support, and that's assuming you're good.

Hey Eloh. This place is a desert.

I say you and I decides who gets lynched. For fun.

Spacedaisy wrote: Whatever Epi. I have to be up in six hours, so I am going to bed. Do what you want.

I mean to.

Spacedaisy wrote:Yeah, I think you are wrong. Even if your civ you're not all knowing.

Keep reading there big boy, I've said exactly why I think she is suspicious from the time I started engaging on Day 3. Before that I was hardly here because of RL.

Ooh. Pissy Daisy. Reminds me of Shinigami.

Epignosis wrote:Spacedaisy only interacted with Eloh during Day 1. That was Eloh 1.0.

I am looking for Spacedaisy's interactions with Eloh after Eloh replaced Dom.

That's not quite right. Let me look again.

Spacedaisy only interacted with Eloh during Day 1. That was Eloh 1.0.

I am looking for Spacedaisy's interactions with Eloh after Eloh replaced Dom.

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, I've made plenty of independent reads on people. I have been waiting in hopes of seeing a concensus form so that we aren't splitting the vote up, but apparently I am the only one that cares, so I'll vote the person I have said for some time would be my number one choice and let you do whatever you all want.

elohcin[/i]

You're the only one who cares?

You vote Eloh after I say I don't think she's bad?

Heh. Great going there.

Spacedaisy didn't really jump into things until Day 3. She made a huge post. She had me as bad but said I was good in the same post.

I'm going to read through spacedaisy real quick.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:It bothers me that the only person wanting to murk DF is Scotty. I'll vote there.
I can't even. we seriously now have four people with votes?
Are you really that bothered by spread votes when nobody has really talked all day?

You can't even?

What did you expect? People to come in here and make up your mind for you?

Spacedaisy.
No, I expected that people would be a little more interested in a consensus considering the position we are in.

Whatever, you all don't care clearly

I'm here, spending my evening on a work night after a stressful day. I clearly don't care.

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:okay, thanks SD and Epi. I will go ahead and vote then.
You know, I'm not voting Scotty for any particular reason. I just voted the guy. Jesus.
And suppose E hadn't just woken up and I had gone straight to bed and left my vote on Scotty.

So why did you have your vote on scotty and why now on SD?

Scotty put his vote on you. You hadn't responded yet. I think that's somewhat convenient on his part, although I do realize his real life obligations.

SD isn't making any independent opinions on people during this hour. That's frightful to me.

Now we have 5 people with votes. Yay.

Spacedaisy wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:It bothers me that the only person wanting to murk DF is Scotty. I'll vote there.
I can't even. we seriously now have four people with votes?

Are you really that bothered by spread votes when nobody has really talked all day?

You can't even?

What did you expect? People to come in here and make up your mind for you?

Spacedaisy.

DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:okay, thanks SD and Epi. I will go ahead and vote then.
You know, I'm not voting Scotty for any particular reason. I just voted the guy. Jesus.
I feel that there's a very interesting phenomenon going on in your head.

I'm prepared to vote for you, is that that phenomenon is.

Elohcin wrote:okay, thanks SD and Epi. I will go ahead and vote then.

You know, I'm not voting Scotty for any particular reason. I just voted the guy. Jesus.

Elohcin wrote:votes are changeable, right?

They are.

Eloh, I might need your vote tonight. I think this will be a low voter turnout like the real election.

Elohcin wrote:okay. So timmer is an outed baddie then? Have we not tried lynching him? If not, why not?

Either bad or not paying attention.

You decide America.

I am currently of the opinion that Eloh isn't bad. When she subbed in she came in an just started spouting opinions on people. None of them made any sense. She can't defend or remember any of them. I'd buy that.

I'll be here until 11pm, so I'm willing to talk and listen.

Spacedaisy wrote:I already have a pretty strong opinion of her myself, I'm asking because your opinion of her can inform what I think about you. Right now we are operating under the assumption that MM targeted you, but we don't know that 100% and I don't understand what you are doing right now, so yeah I'd like to understand what you are thinking.

Are you going to vote for me tonight? Lead my lynch?

If not, then your opinion of me right now isn't relevant.

And if it is indeed the end of the road, why are you trying to formulate an opinion on me right now? If I'm Kilgrave, I can't be lynched.

Let's say Eloh is good. Who is bad then?

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, you are really confusing me. Now you don't think Elo is bad?

Why is my opinion on Eloh so important at this juncture? Can't people make up their minds about her on their own?

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.
It was inconclusive.
By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.
I'm too busy makin' dat dough! I'm sorry. I *am* trying to keep up and answer questions and what not, but even when I think I answer them, you say I don't and come back with more. Do I still trust timmer? I don't know. I haven't been paying enough damn attention to know. And would I vote wilgy? Sure, if it meant saving my ass! Can i go to sleep now?
I understand all that. But you seemed to dodge my question about timmer. I wanted to know why you found him trustworthy. Now you say you don't know if you trust him at all.
I didn't mean to dodge the question. I thought I said tone and participation.

timmer is obviously bad. Obviously bad.

Unless you are PLAYING dumb, then you aren't paying attention.

And if you aren't paying attention or playing dumb, you aren't bad.

Voted Scotty.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Scotty wrote:Every single player in this game has posted suspicion of Elo (except maybe timmer, but who cares), so if she is bad, then a baddie has already started the bussing. SD's last rainbow list had timmer and INH at the bottom tier, and Sorsha/DF and Elo as the 2nd lowest. I wish she would come back and give her updated thoughts now that DF has subbed in.

If Elo is good, the baddies would be fine using her as the bait.
I was pretty confident in my read of INH, it's why I had him as low as timmer. Unfortunately I was wrong. I was pretty clear though that Elo was my next suspicion. Sorsha/DF was really that low because I had no read on her whatsoever, and unfortunately I can't say it has changed much with DF, I have a hard time reading him in general. He almost always reads good to me. So I tend to keep him on my list for that fact. I haven't posted as much because my thoughts have not changed much. I'm fairly sold on an Elo vote today. I'm only waiting because I want to be sure we don't split the vote. It's pretty critical at this point.

Why should I think you are a civilian?

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.
It was inconclusive.
By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.
I'm too busy makin' dat dough! I'm sorry. I *am* trying to keep up and answer questions and what not, but even when I think I answer them, you say I don't and come back with more. Do I still trust timmer? I don't know. I haven't been paying enough damn attention to know. And would I vote wilgy? Sure, if it meant saving my ass! Can i go to sleep now?

I understand all that. But you seemed to dodge my question about timmer. I wanted to know why you found him trustworthy. Now you say you don't know if you trust him at all.

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.
It was inconclusive.

By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.

Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.

It was inconclusive.

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.
How busy you are has nothing to do with what role Dom got. I'm not asking for a dissertation. There's no need to address me point by point. I'll make it easy for you:

1. What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

2. Where did you say indiglo was playing it safe?

3. You said, regarding my baseless suspicion of indiglo: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. " Why did you think I suspected indiglo and why couldn't you reveal it at the time?

4. Would you lynch DrWilgy or wouldn't you?
1. I'm not aware that it was as soon as I replaced in that I said I thought timmer was trustworthy. But I do remember thinking I ought to share my thoughts of who I thought was good or bad. And honestly, it was a combination of Elo 1.0 and Elo 2.0. My new role didn't affect my perspective.

Strike one, missy. Question was thus: What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

I'm not asking if you were aware of anything, or whether you felt you outhgt to share your thoughts, or what persona was coming together to make those thoughts. When you said timmer was trustworthy, what gave you that impression? There must have been some reason for it. And do you still trust him? You didn't say.

Elohcin wrote:2. I believe I said that I thought she was playing it safe as Elo. 1.0. Let me see if I can find it. .............................Hmm, I must have only thought it and not stated it

I think that claim bears a look into Eloh 1.0. Do your posts then reflect an unspoken view the indiglo was playing it safe? I remember them from this morning, and my opinion would be "No." I'll look again, however.

Elohcin wrote:3. A previous game we were both in, you were civ and you voted for me Day 1 for no reason whatsoever and you stated as much. I thought it could have been a slight way of you trying to communicate to me, "hey, I'm civ." But I didn't catch that this could be until I posted it. So...yes, I hounded you for your lack of reasoning. But...I think you are civ now after that. BUT, I could be totally off and it have no meaning whatsoever and you could be bad bad bad.

You keep citing that game. You were bad. Wrong or right reasoning, accidentally or not, I pegged you, and it led to your lynch. I don't see what relevance that has here. I also don't see why this is a secret code you couldn't reveal at the time. You couldn't have said, "Here is why I think he's voting indiglo, because he wants me to think he's a civilian." That just doesn't make any sense.

Elohcin wrote:4. Would I lynch Wilgy? Sure if you guys think he is bad. Like I said, I haven't been following the thread. And like I also said, I think randomizing is worse than jumping on a bandwagon. I think bandwagoning shows faith in the people. You can all disagree with me if you want..I don't care.

Okay.

Elohcin wrote:Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.

How busy you are has nothing to do with what role Dom got. I'm not asking for a dissertation. There's no need to address me point by point. I'll make it easy for you:

1. What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

2. Where did you say indiglo was playing it safe?

3. You said, regarding my baseless suspicion of indiglo: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. " Why did you think I suspected indiglo and why couldn't you reveal it at the time?

4. Would you lynch DrWilgy or wouldn't you?

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, I can see your case against Wilgy but I went down that road with INH (pursuing a seeming teammate connection) and was very wrong. Plus his actions have read very civ to me. I have yet to see anything from him that reads like a bad Wilgy to me.

Elo is someone I would be interested in possibly pursuing today though. You've made the same point I have regarding the shady nature of her vote for Indi and lack of reason for it.

What would look like bad Wilgy to you, and how is this different?

Elohcin BR (Before Replacement)

Spoiler: show

Eloh wasted no time expressing her incredulity of my indiglo suspicion or Wilgy's reaction to it.

Elohcin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:well, no. But I am surprised you are just taking that without asking for a reason.
He showed courage with placing the first vote and answered a question I had. It's also day 1, and thus I don't expect super concrete reasons for voting.
Maybe its just me, but every time wilgy posts, it makes me think more and more that he and Epi could be teammates. Am I the only one thinking this? I know Epi personally and I don't see his voting first as a show of courage. I don't understand why you would say that. It seems so much like a cover.

Eloh was inclined to consider Wilgy and me teammates. That's important for later.

Elohcin wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:DrWilgy is my top civread.
Why so?

DrWilgy wrote:My question for you Eloh, how is me respecting Epi a cover up when I had said nothing about how I read his alignment?
Listen, I am not trying to jump to conclusions here. Its just when I read your posts, it popped out to me as odd. Normally when someone votes early and states no reason, players are like, "woah dude, you still have time to mull things over. And if you are voting with no reasons to back it up, then " So....I am like...hmm, this is an odd response to an early vote with no reasons to back it up. This is the exact opposite of what I would except. SO....I am pinged. That's all.

DrWilgy wrote:Everyone randoming gives us nothing to work with. Posting low also gives us nothing to work with.

Due to numbers, it's probable that not all low posters and random voters can be bad, but who would like to bet that at least one is?
I agree with this. And, can you agree that Epi's early vote with no reasons attached is just as bad?

Epi, I have asked your for your reasons behind your vote. You have yet to answer. Will you please do so?

@ Wilgy....so you suspect Epi (as per your rainbow list). Why?

Eloh continued to press me about my indiglo vote, and presses Wilgy about respecting me / suspecting me.

As a side note, Wilgy wants to know who would like to bet that one of the low posters or random voters is bad. You want to know who was a low poster?

Dom wrote:hi

Eloh missed the vote and got popped.

++++

Elohcin AR (After Replacement)

Elohcin wrote:Honestly Timmer, I am not sure what to think about Epi. The last game we played together and this one....he automatically came in on Day 1 and voted someone for no reason whatsoever. It just doesn't seem like him. Maybe he is being a bad baddie. Maybe he is being a lazy civ. I don't know what to think. All I know is it seems abnormal and it doesn't jive with me. If I had not missed the vote Day 1, though, I would have voted Wilgy. He pinged me more than Epi just by his response to Epi.

I need to catch up on the few posts I haven't read since my death and I may find this answer as I read, but what do you think of Epi and his Day 1 vote. And, what do you think of Wilgy?

This is, obviously, in response to timmer, who had nothing to say to or about Eloh until she replaced Dom. Eloh's answer was that, had she voted, she would have voted Wilgy. She had made a post about missing the lynch in her previous incarnation, but did not say who she would have voted.

Spoiler: show

Despite the length of this post, it's mostly just questions and commentary about herself and me.

Elohcin wrote:
indiglo wrote:@ Elo, regarding #3 - It just means you were pinged by him and you were not his baddie team mate when he pinged you. It was a genuine ping.
Oh okay, I see. Yes. It's funny. Because even when I am bad I try to pretend to myself that I am civ and I still look for "genuine" pings. (Oftentimes there is more than one baddie team anyway.) So...I never would have come to that conclusion. I rarely lie in Mafia. Lots of times players claim my pings are made up. But they are always genuine to me even if they sound absurd to others.

I'm including this because this is the second time indiglo interacted with Eloh AR.

Spoiler: show

All of this is true.

Elohcin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
I also don't see why Epi should necessarily be suspicious for his early, reasonless vote. It's not like he has a track record of doing that as a baddie. I don't feel civ about him per se, but that vote alone isn't enough to ping me.

I think I have come to this conclusion myself as well. I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him.

I wonder what she thinks my motivation was that she couldn't reveal. I've already said now that I wasn't reading the thread much and just voted out of my butt.

Elohcin wrote:I am having a hard time deciding who I don't trust. Wilgy would be top of my list just b/c of responses and overall tone...but of course I have shared this before.

Indeed.

Elohcin wrote: I think I can trust Scotty this game.

Why?

Elohcin wrote:Timmer is being helpful and I think I can trust him.

At that point, timmer had randomly voted Sorsha, mysteriously survived a lynch, and only after your replacement of Dom did he interact with you at all, and it was only to question you about me. That was all timmer had done at the time you posted this. How else was timmer being helpful?

Elohcin wrote:DF, though he hasn't posted a whole lot seems civ to me.

Okay. Why?

Elohcin wrote:Heck maybe Epi was right and indiglo is bad.

Heck nope.

Keep in mind, Eloh earlier gave this mysterious proclamation: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him."

That means Eloh was thinking there was a different reason why I voted indiglo beyond merely thinking she was bad, but later Eloh reduces the matter to "Heck, maybe Epi was right."

Elohcin wrote:Or possibly one of the baddies is a low poster.

Dom wrote:hi

SCAVENGER HUNT TIME

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
indiglo wrote:Dude, the distancing is a good idea. Just be sure not to make it too obvious. I like the plan though. You're going to get mega civ cred!
You're bad. You're usually one to come out and lead, but you're not doing that. You are hanging back. You are bad. You should be lynched.
This is what I meant by indiglo playing it safe. Thank you, Epi for adding reasons to your vote. I am going to vote indiglo. She is my only suspicion today.

Who can find where Eloh said indiglo was playing it safe?

The winner gets a 4 night, 5 day trip to Finald where Vompatti will hold you against his bosom and sing lullabies and Japanese RIO songs.

Elohcin wrote:
Scotty wrote:Well fak.

I'm almost inclined to vote Wilgy tomorrow just because he has the most posts and hasn't been NK'd.

If there is a tomorrow.
This certainly is an interesting thought. But what about Wilgy other than his number of posts makes you think the mafia would want to kill him?

This is a slight defense of DrWilgy.

Elohcin wrote:I have been busy. I just got home. I thought I'd see what I was missing out on in Mafia. But, it looks like not much. The night hasn't even ended! SO, I guess that is good news.

You prefer Nights to Days?

*Cracks knuckles*

A "random" vote for Sorsha.

timmer wrote:This is a friendly reminder to CHANGE YOUR SETTINGS if you just turned back your clock last night.

I'm at work, and can't be around. Randomizing via asking my coworker to pick a name off of the poll gets Sorsha my vote.

A "coworker" picked a name. Yeah right. I bet timmer wasn't even "at work." He was probably researching fantasy football and rostering duds like Lance Kendricks and J.J. Nelson.

Dr.Wilgy voted for him and gave him two votes and the lead:

DrWilgy wrote:Voted Timmer to cull a random voter and to prevent ties.

timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?

timmer wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?
Sorry Timmer, when everyone random votes/doesn't show up this happens.
Or one of your baddie friends was one of the people with a vote and you had to save them?

I had to go through and see which handful of people had votes.

I voted indiglo- she wasn't bad.

indiglo, who already had my vote, randomly voted DDL.

timmer voted Sorsha.

INH voted timmer.

DrWilgy voted timmer right after asking zebra about what would happen in a tie, not waiting for a response even though he posted again right after zebra answered the question. n.b. DrWilgy called me bad throughout Day 1, but didn't vote for me.

For timmer's accusation of Wilgy to mean something, it would have to mean that timmer is also accusing one of indiglo, DDL, or Sorsha as bad. indiglo wasn't bad.

timmer wrote:So you random voted random voters, Wilgy? How's that high horse?

timmer wrote:I'm going to try not to get pissed off about this, but when someone spends the start of the game goofing off and being all jokey and then decides to single-handedly suddenly become the arbiter of proper play and choose to cull someone who random voted, because THAT isn't helpful, I call B.S.

For timmer's outrage to be genuine, he would have to honestly believe that Wilgy was "goofing off and being all jokey" before sealing in timmer's second vote. Does he himself believe this?

timmer wrote:But you didn't have to. It's the same odds, either way. Looking at the votes, and considering your banter in Day 0, I'm guessing you and Epig are teamies.

Suddenly DrWilgy's contributions Day 1 are no longer goofing off and being all jokey- there's actual meaning there, which points to me being bad, timmer guesses.

That was a swift turnaround. My view here is that timmer and DrWilgy are teammates, and Wilgy knew timmer would survive when nobody else did, and that people would assume a mafia member surviving a lynch would be unbalanced. I don't think they anticipated their secret being revealed when MM shot himself. It's almost as though timmer is pushing a teammate's lynch in order to set the mob upon me the following phase. But that plan is so amateur. Surely it can't be that simple! Surely the likes of-

timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:But you didn't have to. It's the same odds, either way. Looking at the votes, and considering your banter in Day 0, I'm guessing you and Epig are teamies.
Woah woah woah.

I don't have a lot in common with Dez Bryant today, but one thing I am not is bad.
LOL. No worries, I would never vote you or try to suggest people vote you. Day 0 banter only becomes relevant after one of the parties is shown to be bad, so considering that it is Wilgy's vote alone in play here, my attentions are entirely on him. Only if I find out I'm right will I turn my gaze.... to you.

Oh.

One takeaway here is timmer's use of the future real conditional, which indicates he knew he wasn't going to get lynched.

DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:Oh, lol, I misread the poll, I thought Epig had had a vote against him. Well, there goes everything. Stellar play, Timmer. Really sniffed 'em out. Le sigh. Where's the lynch post...
I see now. Had one of the 4 I declared voteworthy earlier had a vote, I would've voted for them instead of you.

Is that to imply that Wilgy didn't really find timmer worthy of his vote? Then why vote there? Why not leave it to chance? Why not wait fifteen minutes for zebra to answer your question before voting?

timmer wrote:My problems with Wilgy were based on inattention to detail on my part. I'm going to reset my pinions and start fresh.

Making mistakes and acknowledging those mistakes is a way to appear genuine.

timmer wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hey Timmer, what character are you?
Someone named Ruben. You?

This isn't meaningful.

He addresses Eloh for the first time- right after she subs back in after being killed, and only asks her about me.

timmer wrote:
indiglo wrote:RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?

It's a valid question... how many times, as a civ, have they voiced suspicion about the other and been wrong vs been right?

@Eloh, what IS your current opinion of Epig?

I am going to look into her in a moment, but I can already tell you it isn't good.

timmer wrote:So... yeah, that happened.

I have no concrete opinion on Epig's push against indiglo. I've seen him pull early game gambits as both civ and baddie, so whether he has a power role and found something out re: indi, or is just trying to push to see what happens, i can't tell.

@Epig, is this pure gut? Are you asking us to follow you on this? What should we think of you, if you turn out to be wrong?

What purpose does this post serve? How am I supposed to answer that last question?

"Well gee, timmer, if I'm wrong, you should think that I'm bad and come and get me!"

timmer wrote:The case against indiglo is... Epig's gut. I'm not liking it, tbh.

timmer wrote:Voted for Epig. I see literally no case on indiglo.

This is important.

timmer votes me because there isn't a case on indiglo. Consider the others who voted indiglo based on what amounts to nothing, according to him: DDL, MM, or Elohcin (!).

DDL gave his reason:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Indiglo still feels suspish. She is talking about game mechanics almost all the time (which is a classic tell), and her friendliness seems forced at points. She is there, and she is posting, but she is not doing much.

MM said he would rather vote me but did an about-face, voting indiglo instead.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
timmer wrote:The case against indiglo is... Epig's gut. I'm not liking it, tbh.
I'd rather vote Epignosis to be honest.
No you wouldn't. That'd be silly.
You're right, I'm voting indiglo.

Of course, MM tried to kill me, so there's that.

Eloh's vote is worthy of scrutiny here, especially from timmer. No scrutiny ever comes. Don't worry- it's coming. Just not from timmer.

Instead of scrunity, timmer provides faux-outrage:

timmer wrote:Epig gets my vote every day until one of us is dead. What B.S.

Again- no honest appraisal of DDL, MM, or Eloh.

timmer wrote:Flipped back through the day. It really doesn't seem like a lot of people put much thought into that indiglo lynch. And Epig knew people were following him and didn't say much to remind people that he was apparently operating on gut. Ionno my gut tells me he's bad.

@Epig, can you reasonably give me reasons to think you are civ?

timmer argues that it was my responsibility to remind my "followers" that I was "apparently operating on gut."

His gut tells him I'm bad.

Huh.

My vote wasn't a gut vote. My vote was an ass vote. As in, I was voting out of my ass. I haven't even been reading the thread very much, I'm sorry to say. That changes today.

The fact that timmer places all the blame of the indiglo lynch on a guy who wasn't reading the thread but still somehow owed my lemmings some sort of "voter discretion advised" message is a smokescreen. Somebody who voted indiglo is bad, as timmer is unwilling to provide any scrutiny on the voters who trusted a guy who was barely paying any attention.

timmer wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?

DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi voters?
Hopefully Epignosis.
I mean, Hello. ^

DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Them odds tho.
That post, tho. I'm sorry, but MM's dead hand is pointing DIRECTLY at you.

A civ with a one-shot kill targeted someone, and they know if they target the wrong guy they will die instead. What do they do? They leave a little nugget in the thread immediately before the night ends, just in case. MM wasn't even trying to be subtle about it. You and Wilgy are willfully ignoring the obvious. YOU got indiglo lynched. WILGY tried to get me lynched. The two of you have led every lynch so far, with B.S. reasons, and now you are trying to move the thread past MM pointing directly at you.

But since clearly MM targeted you and clearly he died, I can't vote you. So I will be voting for Wilgy today, barring an insane change in the available information to me.

And no, I won't tell you what i think of surviving the lynch, Wilgy, I'm not going to hand you that information.
Ok then Timmer, I'm classifying you as a baddie. We are at a point now where we cannot withold any information we have. You are the player who survived, and we have a confirmed kill surviving baddie role.

It makes sense that MM pointed towards Epi, but MM's role suicided on civilian kills as well. You are clearly ignoring the fact that Epi could be a civ, and you are forcing this idea that he has to be the bad one.

Also, what is up with you classifying my vote as BS? I thought we already discussed this. Stop going in circles.

In regards to not witholding information, I'm Louise Thompson, vanilla civ.

The one exception to this can be answered in the following question. Zebra have you lied in any of your host's posts?

To summarize, timmer called me Kilgrave right out of the gate.

DrWilgy points out the (obvious) flaw in timmer's accusation. For anyone on the fence about this, it's very simple.

MM could kill somebody. If that person is a civilian or the protected mafia member, MM dies. MM died. He evidently targeted me. There are many more civilians than protected mafia members (at the time, it was something like 8 or 9 to 1).

timmer survived a lynch. He did not go into detail about why he survived, but keep in mind I pointed out that timmer's use of the future tense before his lynch post indicates that he knew he wasn't going to die, as he was making plans in the thread before the lynch post revealed his survival. So it cannot be that someone pardoned him.

The revelation of a protected Mafia member (and the exact mechanics of that protection) would have been a shocking strike to the mafia, since until that point people were assuming timmer was pardoned or had a built in protection from a lynch, both of which are traditionally civilian abilities. That possibility no longer exists unless you are willing to take the 10% odds or so that I am bad.

With that revelation, Wilgy has no choice but to take off the gloves.

timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, I take it from this that you suspect Wilgy?
I guess. I'm not really paying attention.
He probably had Carmelo in DFS...

I would just like to say that I don't think I have ever taken Carmelo Anthony before...wish I had last night. Dude had a great second half.

timmer wrote:Voting for DrWilgy.

Remember that timmer linked Wilgy and me together after Day 1, but then backed off of that premise. After the mafia mechanics are revealed, he has little choice but to go back to that pairing.

My verdict at this time is that the mafia team is timmer, DrWilgy, and Elohcin.

timmer wrote:So who are Epig's and Wilgy's teammates???

Teammates? How many teammates are two people supposed to have?

And why haven't you voted for one of us yet?

timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm looking forward to diving into this game a little better than I have.
There is really no need, we all know you're Baddie McBadface.

Who did what?

Poll ended at Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:52 pm

DrWilgy
1
timmer (8)
9%

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes

Scotty
0
No votes

timmer
0
No votes

Epignosis
1
Dragon D. Luffy (3)
9%

Elohcin
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
1
insertnamehere (11)
9%

insertnamehere
5
Spacedaisy (4), Scotty (5), DrWilgy (6), Epignosis (7), Elohcin (9)
45%

None of the Above
3
a2thezebra (1), Metalmarsh89 (2), MovingPictures07 (10)
27%

Total votes : 11

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Voted epi thinking votes were still changeable, then realized they were not.

<facepalm>

Epi it is, then.

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