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DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:25 amThat doesn't seem very nice.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:58 pmWe're all bad. That's why. Get your little pencil out. Write down our names.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:51 pmWhat you ought to be asking is why is everyone so not-resistant.
We're all bad. That's why. Get your little pencil out. Write down our names.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:51 pmWhat you ought to be asking is why is everyone so not-resistant.
I'm so glad you aren't a gambler. For real.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:32 pmJust going off the evidence we have.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 pmOn what grounds?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:26 pmI'm almost 100% certain Speedchuck will not be lynched.
On what grounds?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:26 pmI'm almost 100% certain Speedchuck will not be lynched.
I speculated on a Night 1 nijuukyugou kill, which I feel qualified to speculate on for a few reasons. It was a kill that, to my mind, didn't make much sense.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:54 pm So Epi spends a shitload of time game theorying shit on the Other Tribe that doesn't affect us at all but won't spend two minutes doing the same over here.
Yeah you guys are right Epi isn't susp. at all.
It's an honest response to the question.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:52 pm"Anyone could do it" =/= a productive response to the question.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:51 pmI just did. I'm sorry if you didn't like my conclusion.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:45 pmMkay. So...Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pmThe value in killing him is in the removal of a "confirmed" (I use that term loosely) civilian voice. Nobody was ever going to lynch sprityo, so it doesn't surprise me to see him killed eventually, but not early. That's all I mean.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pmOK.
Who from Cerberus do you think would nightkill an outted gossip role? Not counting Doc
I think anybody would kill sprityo. It's just good strategy at this stage.
Why do you think it took ~8 days to do the deed? Cerberus guys get here, and Sprityo gets popped. You're not willing to engage in a bit of kill theory here?
"Kill theory" =/= "Agreeing with DH's theory"
I just did. I'm sorry if you didn't like my conclusion.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:45 pmMkay. So...Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pmThe value in killing him is in the removal of a "confirmed" (I use that term loosely) civilian voice. Nobody was ever going to lynch sprityo, so it doesn't surprise me to see him killed eventually, but not early. That's all I mean.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pmOK.
Who from Cerberus do you think would nightkill an outted gossip role? Not counting Doc
I think anybody would kill sprityo. It's just good strategy at this stage.
Why do you think it took ~8 days to do the deed? Cerberus guys get here, and Sprityo gets popped. You're not willing to engage in a bit of kill theory here?
This is true.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:44 pmI see no reason to dismiss wilgy on these grounds.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:37 pm Cecil survives ~8 or 9 days after I outted him in the thread with our original Pikachu tribe mates and the Night that the new guys get here and find out he's a gossiper role, he dies? Uh-huh
One of the Cerb people killed Cecil. Probably not Doc since he doesn't give a wet fart about the game it looks like
In vocaroo II he was bad and essentially made no posts in the thread, but was apparently active in BTSC the whole game. A public appearance of not caring does not mean wilgy doesn't care.
The value in killing him is in the removal of a "confirmed" (I use that term loosely) civilian voice. Nobody was ever going to lynch sprityo, so it doesn't surprise me to see him killed eventually, but not early. That's all I mean.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pmOK.
Who from Cerberus do you think would nightkill an outted gossip role? Not counting Doc
If it's possible, then fuck this.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:33 pmNo like you don’t think it’s possible or like, ‘nuh uh, girlfriend’?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:28 pmJust no.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:28 pmHere’s a theory:
Anyone not mafia in the first incarnation that becomes mafia in the 2nd incarnation gains an entirely new mafia team that gradually grows in members and stops once it reaches {3??} players. It would take over a kill of the first team that’s eliminated.
I dunno, that sounds like a cool setup. And annoying for us.
Just no.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:28 pmHere’s a theory:
Anyone not mafia in the first incarnation that becomes mafia in the 2nd incarnation gains an entirely new mafia team that gradually grows in members and stops once it reaches {3??} players. It would take over a kill of the first team that’s eliminated.
I dunno, that sounds like a cool setup. And annoying for us.
If the Evil Evens kill on even Nights, then Strex killed nijuukyugou, and so she didn't start out on their team.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:03 pm Oh, and that initial thought I had yesterday that a bad nutella = bad nijuu sounds more likely. And on opposing teams.
Why on God’s green earth would there be a masonry role where one person is bad and one person is good, and they can’t reveal names? Like how bogus would that be for nijuu??
I think nijuu is on Strexcorp [or another team god save the queen]
But then you couldn't lynch me.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:56 pm Cerberus tribe just needs a leader like me to whip it into shape tbh.
Yeah, but you know, hope that it doesn't matter and all that rot.
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:10 pmHow many times have you used the black and white gif since I brought up you being Chuck's teammate, though, was the point, which you knew.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:58 pmI've used three images to how many posts do I have let's seeDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:41 pm See Epi's a smart enough player to know that the more he engages me the more I'll have to use against him and the more he posts those gifs the less likely he is to dig himself a bigger hole.
That is to say, a bigger hole than openly defending his mafia teammate and working with his mafia teammate to vote for a guy they both thought was civ.
Caught Day 2 and yall lasted this long its actually not bad.
And guess what friendsSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:00 pm I'm just not seeing the Epi/chuck connection. I was just Epi's scum partner in Fellowship of the Ring a month ago. He didn't go out of his way to smear me, but he also didn't make protecting me a great big issue, and he certainly wouldn't have done something to draw a clear line between the two of us on Day 1. That's not a thing Epignosis does, and if that is the crux of the case against him, I'm not buying it.
I've used three images to how many posts do I have let's seeDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:41 pm See Epi's a smart enough player to know that the more he engages me the more I'll have to use against him and the more he posts those gifs the less likely he is to dig himself a bigger hole.
That is to say, a bigger hole than openly defending his mafia teammate and working with his mafia teammate to vote for a guy they both thought was civ.
Caught Day 2 and yall lasted this long its actually not bad.
Okay. If that's the setup, then DH is accusing me of being on the team that killed nijuukyugou Night 1.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:31 pmIf we assume we have mafia over here (and I can only hope that we do, or we are playing with ourselves), and we agree they have BTSC and can discuss the kill selection, then discussion of the kill selection has merit.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:21 pmI'm not dismissing you, I'm just wondering what the point is/was.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:11 pmWhat benefit do YOU think we get from my thinking process? This is not a one-man show. Civilians should bounce ideas off mine rather than dismiss them as "extrapolation and more extrapolation" (of course it's extrapolation- nothing is ever certain).
I need other people to weigh in on what I offered, not dismiss it as DH and S~V~S seem content to do.
Find reasons to clear people, and then don't lynch those people.
People will roll their eyes and scoff at this, for example, but I would never kill nijuukyugou Night 1. Not only would I not like to do it on the basis that we are friends, I also don't see it as good strategy, since nijuukyugou likes to sit back early on and observe, and I thus would not advise my team to kill her Night 1. If you buy that, and I'm cool if you don't, then you have less reason to suspect me, which should give you more reason to suspect other people.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:05 pmYou're going to have to get used to extrapolation. I have no other tools to worth with when considering the Night kill target given that I don't know what went on there. But I do know what nijuukyugou does 90% of the time on Days 1, and I know her in real life, and I introduced her to this site, so if I'm going to be comfortable making extrapolations, it will be now.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:02 pmExtrapolationEpignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 pmnijuukyugou has never been, in my experience, killed Night 1. She also does not get lynched early, and she likes poetry, so I assume she would have sent in a poem. That means, if we accept the other tribe had the same haiku lynch protections in play, she would not have been in danger of being lynched. That means her BTSC partner would have been under no pressure to tip his or her hand (the rules notwithstanding). In addition, in my experience, nijuukyugou does not typically have a good reason to vote one person or the other Day 1.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:46 pmExpound upon this. Why should I care whether Bloops is a Night 1 target or not? Who would target her N1, in your estimation? Mr. "Don't just say stuff"
Therefore nijuukyugou was a kill that happened because whatever discussion happened in the other tribe was comfortable enough discussion for the mafia faction. It was a clean kill that wouldn't lead to anybody, and one that was unlikely to draw the attention of any protective roles.
Given the above, I am looking for go-along-get-along people here.
and more extrapolation
quite a jump there
This was a kill meant to maintain the status-quo in their tribe. Book it.
Do you think the Evil Evens have the even kill?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:39 pmYou mean like how every game works?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:33 pmI just think the existence of role numbers and how they've shown up so far indicates an odd team. There's been one Night kill a Night more or less, and not two, so that sounds like one mafia team has the ODD kill and the other has the EVEN kill.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:27 pmIf the hosts are going for symmetry, the Obnoxious Odds would be the other mafia team. I don't know if that's what they're going for, or if they're just mashing things together colorfully. Do you think this might be significant?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:24 pmThe known team are the Evil Evens and so far, their members' ultimate role numbers have been even.
This leads me to believe the other team is called the Obnoxious Odds, and that their ultimate role numbers will be odd.
To use your words, I haven't given it much thought. I just took it to be a reference to Mass Effect Mafia (from which Citadel Council comes).
I just think the existence of role numbers and how they've shown up so far indicates an odd team. There's been one Night kill a Night more or less, and not two, so that sounds like one mafia team has the ODD kill and the other has the EVEN kill.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:27 pmIf the hosts are going for symmetry, the Obnoxious Odds would be the other mafia team. I don't know if that's what they're going for, or if they're just mashing things together colorfully. Do you think this might be significant?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:24 pmThe known team are the Evil Evens and so far, their members' ultimate role numbers have been even.
This leads me to believe the other team is called the Obnoxious Odds, and that their ultimate role numbers will be odd.
To use your words, I haven't given it much thought. I just took it to be a reference to Mass Effect Mafia (from which Citadel Council comes).
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:30 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:25 pm My head is at wanting to lynch Marmot among our tribe members, but also hoping to give the other tribe a chance to lynch speedchuck due to the evidence pointed against him right now. If it is up to me, which it always should be, we should give Marmot a comfortable lead in the poll, but not so much that it becomes impossible for the other tribe to override us.
Unless there is another member of this tribe who others might consider a better option than Marmot.
How about Epignosis, Speedchuck's teammate. That'll guarantee a mafia lynch
The known team are the Evil Evens and so far, their members' ultimate role numbers have been even.
To use your words, I haven't given it much thought. I just took it to be a reference to Mass Effect Mafia (from which Citadel Council comes).
