The Syndicate

Hedgeowl wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I've started reading this and it's hilarious! Well done Devin and Russti. Much deserved win for Devin and I can see how Russti was just as bummed as us when our whole team was gutted from betrayel.

I still feel bad about that to this day, but it wasn't my fault.

However, it was awesome how I took you all down after stupidly rating myself out.

This will go down as one of my most memorable games ever.

This will go down as one of my most memorable corrections ever.

Ratting - To betray one's associates by giving information: ratted on his best friend to the police

Rating - A quantity measured with respect to another measured quantity: a rate of speed of 60 miles an hour.

I didn't go to work today, k?

Hedgeowl wrote:I've started reading this and it's hilarious! Well done Devin and Russti. Much deserved win for Devin and I can see how Russti was just as bummed as us when our whole team was gutted from betrayel.

I still feel bad about that to this day, but it wasn't my fault.

However, it was awesome how I took you all down after stupidly rating myself out.

This will go down as one of my most memorable games ever.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I was under the impression the whole time that Nev and I had to kill everybody. We tried to take out spacedaisy at one point.

You did; the only scenario in which you didn't was if Cohen had not been doubted and had taken all four pictures. Even then, you'd have had to make sure you, Nev, and Cohen/his dancers were the ONLY people remaining.

As to you and Nev trying to take out Spacedaisy, Epig, I looked back at my spreadsheet and the only things I see were that Nev used Enrage to redirect to Daisy on Night 10 and used Electro Bolt on her Night 15. Neither you nor Nev tried to actually kill her with your standard attack until Nev targeted her on Night 15.

Yes, that sounds correct.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I was under the impression the whole time that Nev and I had to kill everybody. We tried to take out spacedaisy at one point.

When was that? I had a target dummy at one point.

It was just before I got lynched I think. Night 11?

I was under the impression the whole time that Nev and I had to kill everybody. We tried to take out spacedaisy at one point.

I think it's fair to say that I had a ton of fun in this game.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: That's funny, I kind of forgot about the B for baddies theory. That has to be one of the wackiest mafia theories I've ever seen actually gain some decent discussion...

You're welcome.

Logan, I hope you understand that I was not sorry at all for getting you lynched.

My team can tell you that I almost changed my kill because Nev was acting like he was ASKING for a kill. This behavior did not escape our attention.

juliets wrote:Ok, I just want to know who killed me and why? It was so early in the game and I hadn't done anything that exposed any baddies so why me?

That would be me.

I don't think we had a big reason- it was Night 2, and we had to kill two people. We had tossed a lot of names around and settled on you and LT. We mainly wanted to keep suspicion away from us.

That was intense. Triple agent.

I was a total dumbass by posting my Hypnotize Big Daddy PM in the chat room without even reading the damn thing first.

I told my team that I would return to their side once Jack got to Point Prometheus (something I pulled out of my ass). If it isn't clear, however, I feel rotten having to deceive my team like that, but I always play to win. I hope there's no hard feelings.

My last kill attempt was Matahari, and she stole me from Nev. This time I did not copy Nev on the info, but that betrayal wound up being moot anyway, since I was stuck at a fucking McDonald's in Wadesboro coming back from my trip and had only one opportunity to vote, and people wound up lynching me for the wrong reasons. I was not pleased by this when I got home.

If I may offer a bit of criticism:

I think recruited civs are fine, because they usually come sans info. But a recruited bad guy knows his entire team. By the middle of the game, I already knew the roles of Snow Dog, Bullzeye, Hedgeowl, DFaraday, Nevinera, Russtifinko, bea 2.0, DharmaHelper, DevintheOmniscient, spacedaisy, and indiglo, and that's not counting the players who were lynched. I think the main objective to Mafia is figuring out who people are, solving the mystery; with my getting recruited, it was over for my team- they had ZERO chance of winning by that point, and I think that's unfortunate, because we played a flawless game up until Night 5.

I was surprised my team had not started a separate chat room without me (although I see that they eventually did).

Again, I am loyal to the win, even if it did not work out for me. Congratulations to those for whom it did. It was a hell of a game, and I am thankful for this game getting me to play what inspired it: Bioshock is a masterpiece, and I believe MP did it justice here.

I'm leaving tomorrow morning (Thank Jesus), and I don't know what time I will be home, so I am going to vote tomorrow morning. Fortunately, I have this evening to relax, drink beer from a hotel ice bucket, and cogitate.

I get how you feel. I was overzealous with llama back in the day. Still feel bad about that.

Mongoose wrote:Let the record reflect that I am neither Team Adam nor Team Ryan.

I would not have voted for you were it not for FH's case. It seems very reasonable to me.

I've been keeping up (trying to), but nothing has stood out to me as it has before. I will try to look at some posts in context with the polls and maybe something will.

I have an idea for these people who want to improve education: Get the students Mafia accounts and have them participate in a few games.

Voted first option.

Sorry for any holdup.

I will trust Nev and vote Hedgeowl. If he is misleading us, then Day 10 will be easy.

bea wrote: In the end, I find it ironic in a weird "Wow, I always thought I was pretty good at expressing myself in writing" kind of way that when I was posting the most genuine of my feelings, I was thought to have sounded "insincere" but when I reached the critical breaking point of "Oh, I can't be assed to care this much about a game anymore" and just kinda let saracstagal come out in type my posts "rang true" in the interpretation. This is why I'm amazed at language and how it moves and how intention and interpreted meaning can change so quickly.

Very clever swan song.

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Which I think, in your current language, means, "you're not fooling anybody."

No votes for bea? I can fix that.

Am I wrong about Bullzeye? Or do you people want to fart around some more?

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The Gambler's fallacy is the civilian's worst enemy. Well, perhaps second only to their actual enemies, but I hope you take my meaning.

I think Bullzeye is getting a pass just because people seem to be gun-shy about pursuing the evidence that the Day 2 lynch gave us. boobea didn't work out so well, but you know what they say about third times.

I'm voting Bullzeye.

You don't think other theories could prove to be fruitful either?
While lynching Boo and Bea have no effect on the allegiance of Bullz, do you think other discussions have really been moot?

No, that isn't what I was implying.

No, I don't think that.

I just don't want to be accused of wasting perfectly good pasta.

The Gambler's fallacy is the civilian's worst enemy. Well, perhaps second only to their actual enemies, but I hope you take my meaning.

I think Bullzeye is getting a pass just because people seem to be gun-shy about pursuing the evidence that the Day 2 lynch gave us. boobea didn't work out so well, but you know what they say about third times.

I'm voting Bullzeye.

Didn't want to point out the obvious myself for fear of my own punishment.

I'll add another vote for crap on a catapult!

Damn, bea.

The host can put a sock in it!

Oh wait.

Bea's late vote on Day 2 makes me think she's bird's teammate, and that has not changed at all, so I'm voting for bea. If Bullzeye is bird's teammate, that wouldn't surprise me either.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Another thing I've been wondering about, which I think Boo sort of touched upon before he died, is the possibility of DH himself being a BWT teammate. For all the witch hunting he did he voted early for Mongoose on the day BWT died. Dedicating a large amount of your posts to finding a baddie's teammates is definitely a good way of making people doubt that you yourself are on that team I suppose. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? It's 100% WIFOM but I think it's worth considering.

I think you're a hypocrite. DharmaHelper voted seventh for Mongoose on Day 2. You voted for Aces twenty-second.

Quick to defend DH's honour there, did I touch a nerve? There isn't even any proof I voted for a civvie that day. We don't know Aces' role, he could be anyone. As to the earliness of DH's vote: "How could I possibly have been trying to protect a teammate? Look at how early my vote for absolutely anyone but him was!". Like I said, it's total WIFOM but I thought it was something worth mentioning. Considering how Boo was calling for his head on a spike I don't think I'm the first to notice. Not seeing how that makes me a hypocrite.

I think you're clutching at straws now.

And Boo called for his own head on a spike before anyone else's. As far as I can tell, he had no way of knowing anything. He could have used reason to back up his swan song, but he didn't. Instead, he insulted people with his bluff.

Bullzeye wrote:Another thing I've been wondering about, which I think Boo sort of touched upon before he died, is the possibility of DH himself being a BWT teammate. For all the witch hunting he did he voted early for Mongoose on the day BWT died. Dedicating a large amount of your posts to finding a baddie's teammates is definitely a good way of making people doubt that you yourself are on that team I suppose. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? It's 100% WIFOM but I think it's worth considering.

I think you're a hypocrite. DharmaHelper voted seventh for Mongoose on Day 2. You voted for Aces twenty-second.

Nevinera wrote:

Dom wrote:ALSo,

On Bea


I think the case against her, at this point, is rather weak. It's based on one vote, that doesn't corroborate with the rest of the theory it is based upon, and the people going for her are forgetting about Bullz who actually fit all the criteria in the theory. I think the theory isn't as strong as I used to because Boo was civvie, although, Bullz is on my list for tomorrow though.

The case against boats is based on "one post".

This is demonstrably false.

I voted for Boats before. I see little reason to change that course of action.

Russtifinko wrote:
I'm also interested to hear what Epi and DH think now. They posted a ton during the contest, but because there was so much material and the last lynch didn't go as they expected I'm uncertain as to where they stand right now on the names being discussed.

I've been keeping up off and on all day, but I have little more to offer than what I did before. After boo (and AceofSpaces) posted, I was wary of voting for boo, but by the time I voted, I was too late anyway.

I wish I could say that bea's post enlightens me, but it doesn't; I'm not sure what to make of it, or what to make of others' reactions to it.

The only thing I would add is that quiet people have had ample opportunity to speak, and thus far they have not. I understand any reluctance to do so on Day 4, but now that there's been a lull in conversation, why not express an opinion?

Vompatti's last word sounds about right.

That is not even close to what I was expecting at all.

Snow Dog wrote:With that last post from Boo I am worried we lynched a "civ". Inverted commas for his sake. Not any baddie \i have yet seens gives such thourough advice before his almost ceertain death. of course if he survives that is another matter.

What does everyone else think? Epignosis? Dharmahelper? Aces?

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We only need wait a few minutes to know something. I am nervous though. That said, boo said he would troll. So, there's that.

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Russtifinko wrote:Well I guess Boats could have skimmed everything. Someone pointed out that he seemed to have digested all the major events. I don't know. I'm happy with my boo vote, for now. I just hope it pans out. And don't forget, you can still overtake Mongoose and not lose!

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I feel as though bea is a good lynch candidate for Day 5. I hope Boats is punished for not participated.

I hope the punishment for losing is not that serious!

Addendum: boo

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Russtifinko wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Also to throw stuff out there, well boo is one of my suspicions like I just said with the vote. Honestly I don't really have many. 3 games is hard for me to keep up with! I'll make sure never to do this again as it would seem I haven't learned the first million times I've done this.

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Besides this Boo vote you just seem so non committal. You just won't be pinned down. Now playing too many mafia games..I get that. I have done the same thing. You don't make it easy though. Wishy-washy. That is how I would describe you answers. Wishy-washy.
Ok you are saying that boats had time to skim the posts and his thoughts in, what was it..12 minutes? I mean if that is right the bottom falls out of the whole theory. Personally I don't know..never timed myself.

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Based on how long my reread yesterday took (hours, to get everything straight), I doubt it's possible. Boats may be a faster reader than me. However, I doubt he's THAT much faster.

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I am voting for Boats and not abandoning my suspicion. I waited for him and he didn't show. I'm tired of wasting my time giving people the benefit of the doubt. Ace better be wrong on boo though.

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DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: What I mean is I'll often skim quickly and then summarize what I gathered from that. Usually when I find there is too much to read thoroughly at the moment. Would seem he did the same.

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Would you kindly answer my concern? You "don't really feel he's bad" and yet you "don't think he's civ or anything." What is your stance on him? He's not shown up to speak for himself- and you seem okay doing so.

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DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Florida for a week Epig.

We used to live there. What part?

Orlando! Though we're staying away from parks this year and just focusing on having fun in Orlando proper.

I don't know what to think about this Ace/Boo revelation. On the one hand ID necessarily GAF what Aces gut is telling him because my gut is telling me the opposite. And things have backed up my gut. On the other hand, if I'm wrong about boo I'll feel pretty dumb. Though I won't feel all that bad as, as I said, he seems to be in a mode that can best be described as "me or him" so, I'll pick him every time. Boats (and other non voters) being slammed by MP is something I've considered and is a good point in favor of letting nature take its course on that front. Though in GOB's case, he seems to be catching the votes and just not posting, so that might be something to address ourselves rather than let MP handle it behind the scenes.

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We lived just north of Orlando for four years. I began as a teacher in Orlando. Hot as hell and fuck the lizards.

I won't vote for boo, but I am eager to see where this is going. Let me ask you something. If you could only vote for bea or Boats, which would you choose and why? Boats last talked around 5ish EST, so I don't mind waiting, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on that.

Addendum: Boomslang, I appreciate your response. That said, you should know that llama, despite his cool, logical manner on real life things, is highly impetuous in others!

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DharmaHelper wrote:Florida for a week Epig.

We used to live there. What part?

Russtifinko wrote:Epi, to be honest I kind of dismissed the entire Dom-Snow Dog thing at the time, having been more occupied with other lynch candidates. I still think it's not Priority #1. I tend to believe Snow Dog when he says he posted in annoyance regarding agleaminranks. I shared his frustration with the strange in-game behavior of agleam and others, and if I'm being totally honest I think it colored my opinions of some players (Lizzy comes to mind). So I see where Snowie was coming from there, and nothing else he's done has drawn my attention particularly.

Dom did go after Snowie pretty hard for that, which I disagreed with, but he can play how he wants. He's only posted 16 times in this game, I believe, so there's little material to go on, and I think I only played with him in MOTU and had trouble reading him there. I guess if I had to pick one, I'd say he looks slightly less civ to me than Snowie. I'll take a look at their voting records though.

What are your thoughts on Boomslang? I think his contributions today have been noteworthy.

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Boomslang confuses me. There's no indication of good BTSC on page one, and his explanation that he apparently thought Ryan sending a name to Sullivan was code-speak for BTSC makes absolutely no sense. I don't see why anyone would read it that way.

There's also this that I've been mulling over:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 730#p23730

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DharmaHelper wrote:Epig, good job on the posting contest! Seems I fell behind slightly due to taking today to prep and pack for vacation. Oh well at least I'm not last.

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Thanks! It has cost me an entire day.

We did have a lot of discussion though, and I think AceofSpaces was rather helpful (even if I ultimately disagree with his judgment).

I am still torn between bea and Boats, and as you have seen, we still have not heard from the latter. I'll probably check the time stamps of when he usually posts to see if there's any chance he'll be on later before the deadline.

Where are you going for vacation?

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