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Appreciate Delta- very fun teammate to have. Five stars. Would recommend.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:44 am
112 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:47 am So unless one of you three are bussing there's no way there's a W falcon. Bussing rn doesn't make sense, so it's a matter of figuring out which of you is just incorrect.

@Epignosis how familiar are you with Falcon's meta while going through these lists?
it could be delta, but i'm not sure why you think bussing can't happen in a f5.

some of his posts have rubbed me the wrong way this round. it feels like he's gearing up for f3 and trying to pre-emptively sink me. it may be that he's expecting a wolf flip with falcon and is then going to bring up that i forgot to vote for him again in f3--because he's mentioned it quite a bit this round.
The situation where wolves are planning on f3 would be reflected by this dead thread state, so I agree with that. I'd expect wolves trying to win to push harder today, which I do see in Delta and Epi's play this cycle. My argument against this is that if Falcon is town, it takes one person being wrong to just end the game. Falcon makes it easy for people to be wrong I think. No slight there, Falcon just has an mysterious energy.

I currently have a hard time seeing you as W following your catch-up and I really think Falcon would've had to change meta to get the posts about Xan.

I gotta re read Delta and Epi, but I feel the team is there.

Me when I saw this post.

Thought DW was about to take our shoes.

falcon45ca

75% of falcon's posts are Day 1 posts, which consists of goofing off and making sure Xan never saw the light of day again.

After Day 1, falcon:

-Called 112 good
-Voted Wilgy
-Called tutuu good (I think)
-Voted Delta
-Ended up voting Esooa

There isn't a single post that offers any thought process behind any of this.

Falcon voted Wilgy. Falcon voted Delta.

When it mattered, Falcon voted behind me on Esooa with this as the pair's sole interaction:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:29 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:28 pm Tutuu hasn't posted a single thing I agree with I think

That's kinda towny IME

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:07 pm @Epignosis

what do you think of falcon here then?
you say falcon can be a wolf with both me and wilgy but dont touch on falcon at all here
especially considering you voted with them yesterday, it's a bit weird you're fine to slot them as a partner to both me/wilgy but not actually look into that?
you should think theyre just scum but you make no effort to case or push them at all

I was going in alphabetical order (something I seem to recall you having a struggle with).

By the time I got to where I ended, it was one in the morning.

Sleep > reading through Falcon's posts.

DrWilgy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:02 pm Skimmed Falcon, they can come out of my suspicion for now. Their Xan push was indicative of T Falcon.

DrWilgy suspected falcon for a specific, given reason (at a time when Xan was getting railroaded), only to let up afterward without providing concrete reasons.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:39 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:59 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:27 pm Falcon is a wolf.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Why?
Falcon's not actually pushing for engagement. I pitched a softball and got a gif.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:31 pm
Falcon was very underwhelming early d1 and avoided me calling them out, which I normally attribute to their w gameplan.

However, their later posts put them back in their townrange.

What later posts and why? I noticed that there's a list of posts for Belzy, me, Esooa, and an irrelevant post in which you take the time to mention that you're skipping Delta and calling Delta good, but no such post for falcon, even though you said:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:32 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:29 pm though speaking of your reads

..what are your reads wilgy?
Belzy town, Falcon town.

Those are the two ISO's I've been through.

Had a feeling that it was between Belzy/Falcon/Tutuu D1. Now I just think it's Tutuu. HOWEVER recent Zenonings have caught my attention and I need to look into this.

And falcon is your top civilian:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:10 pm Current brain juice:
Falc
Belz

Epi

Esooa

Tutuu

DrWilgy and Falcon can be teammates.

Delta

I'm not reading through 200+ posts that increasingly start to look like bad poetry. I started to, but nah. I'll take a different approach.

Is Delta bad with 112?

112 came in, Delta said "hello, hello friend" and ten minutes later had 112 at the bottom of the pile.

This is bizarre to me. Delta, how did you go from this:

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:13 pm though im gonna delay this slightly and let 112 post a little
speaking of, hello hello friend o/
could you give me a rundown of how you play as town and wolf? even if just a sentence or two

to this?

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:23 pm my brain is currently structured at like:

belzy
drwilgy
esooa

epignosis
falcon
tedxtr

tutuu
112

with tutuu/112 being more yellowish/hazy than actual scumreads, struggling to find something that feels right to me right now. those lower down are more 'i want to hear more from them' than 'raaah wolf'. same for the tier above them. though ill speak to anyone really i feel like ive stumbled into today with no real gameplan.
i can explain any of these if anyone is interested?

also. i realise ive managed to have a completely alphabetical reads list. nice.

You interacted with Zenon a lot. How did that factor into your view of 112?

And then you ended up with 112 as your most trusted civilian.

Eh.

Moving on.

++++

Is Delta bad with DrWilgy?

The interactions here are initially friendly, with the "teammate banter" thrown in for good measure. This is Delta's most substantial post about Wilgy (and Falcon):

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:26 pm woofers:

DRWILGY. NOT EVEN A REAL DOCTOR. I SHOULDVE SEEN THE SIGNS
- spent earlier days trying to pocket me, outright going 'im not gonna iso you but youre town so its ok' and then later days has a sudden flip on my alignment, particularly today where suddenly a read materialises on me from seemingly nowhere, hinted at it somewhat yesterday but never touches on it. kinda just set up to try speedwagon me here and hope for the best
- the increase in wim. stupidly thought this was town indicative but yeah in hindsight that was. not the best idea lol. went from 'idc if you guys chop me ill do my own shit' to suddenly 10x the posting & whatever d1
- weird takes on falcon when he realised that town was just eating each other with the thread revolving around me. tried pushing for reads on falcon all game and they've been fairly vague & open to being walked back

FALCON. I DUNNO FALCONS KILL PEOPLE PROBABLY. :^)
- hasnt interacted with me all game but suddenly willing to blind sheep a vote on me when my death brings wolves to lylo
- has me/esooa wolves which as aforementioned probably just wins wolves the game & is a good gamestate for them
- weird comments in regards to 112's slot earlier on back when zenon was around that never got followed up
- 112 im assuming has more experience w them? and finds them scum so weh

if i die here, do not touch esooa. have falcon/wilgy cross. its something im willing to bet on. if i got hard pocketed by esooa/112? lol me but its whatever

The first point on Wilgy is true as far as I can tell:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:45 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm Delta ISO would be another 4 page effort. I'm good for now.

NEXT
boooo
its 90% shitposting anyway its not that hard
No... Too many braincells. Would rather call Delta friend and take nap.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:17 pm I'm voting in Delta/Esooa today, mainly because I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads.

I didn't trust my instincts in Se7en and we lost for it. Imma channel that salty energy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine. I'm sorry fam.

It's late enough that mafia can feel much more comfortable distancing from one another. The relationship between these two was super amicable and even wink-wink, nod-nod, until all of a sudden it wasn't. Wilgy even admitted the change on Delta was "I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads."

The thing about that comment is that by voting outside of your "reads," you'd still be wrong about them.

DrWilgy and Delta can be teammates.

++++

Is Delta bad with falcon?

Maybe. If memory serves, then yesterday's vote would have been an inopportune moment for either one of them to try to save the other.

There's just very little in the thread between them.

This was tedious. Thank you.

112

112 replaced in and immediately called Belzy bad and Delta a mystery. Obviously the former is incorrect. I still regard that 112 came in guns blazing without a concern for whatever Zenon said as significant.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:33 pm Delta's somewhat of a mystery. There's a lot of personality in his posts and I'm not sure if it's genuine or an intentional effort to seem cute/non-intimidating.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:15 pm There's a lot of fluff within the first few pages of the thread but I agree with your early falcon sus @DrWilgy

Reading back, falc looks like he has a lot of trouble fitting in early, and you can sort of tell he was around the thread but not speaking much. He wrote the first post in the game but can't keep pace with it.

Also, Delta looks highly town based on his early posts/interactions.

This progression happened in the span of less than an hour.

And then it goes further:

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:19 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:18 pm Yeah not really wanting to vote Delta
i'm 95% confident Delta is a villager.

112, what specifically about Delta's posts drew you from "mystery" to "95% confident?"

112 also made a comment about ted regarding tutuu and Belzy and also expressed a somewhat negative opinion about me. And not long after that:

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:37 pm actually calling ted + DrWilgy wolf team

So on and so forth. I'll stop there.

First, I'll reiterate that 112 came in without an apparent care for what Zenon said about anybody. There's not just opinions, but opinions that move quickly when they don't have to.

Second, 112 was the only person who didn't vote when there was a three-way tie yesterday (blaming the alcohol like a good soul should

). Some observations if I assume 112 is bad:

1. There was no attempt to save OR wreck a teammate even though the opportunity was there to do either.
2. There was no need to save a teammate, in which case 112 and DrWilgy are mafia, and 112 could have voted wherever and nobody would have batted an eye.

Given 112's fast and loose entrance, the improbability of the above (and my own intimate understanding regarding the relationship between refreshments and the clock), my verdict is 112 is not mafia. A wino, but not mafia.

Speaking of refreshments, excuse me while I get another...

Good news:

Spoiler: show

Bad news:

Spoiler: show

Oh damn, I misread you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:17 pm I'm voting in Delta/Esooa today, mainly because I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads.

I didn't trust my instincts in Se7en and we lost for it. Imma channel that salty energy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine. I'm sorry fam.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:45 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm Delta ISO would be another 4 page effort. I'm good for now.

NEXT
boooo
its 90% shitposting anyway its not that hard
No... Too many braincells. Would rather call Delta friend and take nap.
What changed from then to now?
Nothing changed, I just didn't feel like investing the energy on the pursuit of Delta analysis while my suspicion of Tutuu was still around.

I had initially thought that there was one in Falcon, Belzy or Tutuu.

However reading through Falcon and Belzy I was dissuaded there. Tutuu not so much.

Now that Tutuu is gone and I still don't think I'd hit a wolf in Belzy, Falcon, it's a matter of sorting the outliers who I had scummy gut reads on (Delta, Esooa), but nothing beyond that.

Can't say I agree with your reasoning. I don't see what tutuu has to do with Belzy or Falcon.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:18 pm [VOTE: delta] aubergine

Why?

You have zero interactions with Delta. None.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:31 pm Epi exe seems good

Unless someone wants to tell me he's really towny

Why do you need others to tell you I'm good? Can't you make up your own mind about me?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:21 pm Epi is my top kill anyways

I guess not- you voted someone else.

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:17 pm I'm voting in Delta/Esooa today, mainly because I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads.

I didn't trust my instincts in Se7en and we lost for it. Imma channel that salty energy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine. I'm sorry fam.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:45 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm Delta ISO would be another 4 page effort. I'm good for now.

NEXT
boooo
its 90% shitposting anyway its not that hard
No... Too many braincells. Would rather call Delta friend and take nap.

What changed from then to now?

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:36 pm
xan - dont get why he's being townread. really dont get it. intro weird as shit & his further posts kinda indicate his plan is to just latch onto me & avoid talking about others unless necessary. which he does as a wolf. microtells innit :^). weh. wanna hear more from him but shrug. i also just dont want a repeat of last games d1 where he proclaimed this godread on me then spent the day flipflopping on my alignment & id like to think he'd probably learn from it if town so. this might just be a hopeful read lmfao

This is indeed a weird ass first post. Holy shit:

Xanjori wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:02 pm I really dont think Im being bussed

I missed that because I swapped in later. Whatever. Xan was good. Who cares.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:18 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:13 pm things are too quiet again T_T

@DrWilgy
give me 2 names you'd kill here
Tutuu/Esooa

Could drop you and Ted into that mix, but I think if we hit one in Tutuu Esooa we'll be golden.
get me out of there smh
would vote tutuu, hesitant on esooa right now

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
let's go?

Why was tutuu a go-ahead vote and esooa someone to be hesitant about?

I stand by what I said about 112. Let me know if there's a reason I should change my stance, but I'm not going through 512 Xenon posts or whatever. Can't be assed.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:14 am Xyn + tutuu is now my wolf team.

Your team is dead. Where to next?

112 is good.
Belzy is bad.

All my suspects keep dying.

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:42 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:52 pm 112 is a civilian.

Guess how I know.
You are either Wolf or we read things differently?

It's in the timestamps. 112 subbed in and immediately gave an opinion without spending time trying to gather up the nuances of the predecessor in an effort to appear consistent.

So that's either a civilian or a super ballsy mafia.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:59 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:58 pm and i just thought epi had a lot of difficulty getting into the thread after he joined. some of his posts seemed forced or like he was testing the waters with them (the booooored/ennui ones, for example).
Of ffs those were jokes.
you're probably not mafia, i'll give you that.
but more importantly what are your thoughts on falcon?

I haven't studied falcon.

Still stand by my take that 112 is good.

I was making fun of the other players.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:58 pm and i just thought epi had a lot of difficulty getting into the thread after he joined. some of his posts seemed forced or like he was testing the waters with them (the booooored/ennui ones, for example).

Of ffs those were jokes.

I'm not mafia.

That's where I'm at.

Mafia:

ted
esooa

Civilians:

112
DrWilgy
tutuu

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:33 am as for epi, i agreed with sean's read. i actually had that same read but i didn't wanna bring it up cuz i was unsure. now that epi's dead, it feels better to explore.

he does seem here like he has this politician's tone that he usually doesn't have as a villa.

Why did you withhold your perspective of me while Seanzie was alive?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:12 am Sure epi town

Belzy town

Xan town

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:31 pm Epi exe seems good

Unless someone wants to tell me he's really towny

Talk about what changed.

112 is a civilian.

Guess how I know.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:24 pm 112 seems fine to me

Deltas hung up on nothing

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:24 pm But 112 still can be a wolf

There's your politician.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:15 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:57 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine

sorry friend, we'll see how your reads list plays out
I'm a little spooked by your entrance though
HOW IS THIS NOT A WOLF POST HELLO

@Esooa @Belzy @112

how is this not hedgy asf "i wanna push u but pls dont push me back coz i care about my self preservation coz im a manipulative wolf"

"i give u credit, look look im thinking, i swear im not evil, im just hmmmmm i wonder if ur wolff, hmmmmm, lets be calm n diplomatic bout this .... we'll see how urreads play out .... u never know!"

hows this not politician talk as seanzie coined it

I coined the politician concept, albeit in a different game. Seanzie accused me of it here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:36 pm Yeah, I feel pretty lost right now not gonna lie. Someone tell me what to believe. Give me reads I can sheep.
This is not the Seanzie I saw last outing.
And? Do you have any conclusions to draw, or are you doing that politician thing again?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:25 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:36 pm Yeah, I feel pretty lost right now not gonna lie. Someone tell me what to believe. Give me reads I can sheep.
This is not the Seanzie I saw last outing.
And? Do you have any conclusions to draw, or are you doing that politician thing again?
You're mafia. That's my conclusion.

I don't know what politician thing you're talking about or why you say "again."
When you're a wolf, you do this thing where you speak in a way that can be interpreted by the audience in whatever way the audience wants to interpret it, instead of giving clear content. It reminds me of how some politicians speak.

This is what Seanzie said about me being a politician. To those voting me, throwing the word around, do you care to substantiate that?

One of them isn't even my teammate.

Four votes? Damn.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:48 pm @Epignosis whos the mafier?

I don't know.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:45 pm I think xanjori wagon if he's a wolf is pure

Wolves who can be trying to save him are Tutuu (not a valid town read on Xanjori imo) or Ted (voting belzy, cased Delta who is opposition to xan)

Now then moving on

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:47 pm Xanjori wagon:

Delta falcon seanzie belzy Zenon

Maybe belzy can bus but meh on that
Zenon also doesn't bus and wouldn't have here

Why is that observation relevant?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:21 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:07 pm [VOTE: Epi ] aubergine
I am not hating that vote. And finally we can vote for epi in the poll.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:07 pm [VOTE: Epi ] aubergine

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:36 pm Yeah, I feel pretty lost right now not gonna lie. Someone tell me what to believe. Give me reads I can sheep.
This is not the Seanzie I saw last outing.
And? Do you have any conclusions to draw, or are you doing that politician thing again?

You're mafia. That's my conclusion.

I don't know what politician thing you're talking about or why you say "again."

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:03 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:40 pm I'm most interested in Seanzie's observation that the wagon on Belzy is bad.

Here's what Seanzie provided:

"Tutuu is... Tutuu."
"Ted actually does look pretty townie"
And I "don't."

That's it. Seanzie doesn't like the composition of the Belzy wagon because I'm on it.

This is not a civilian. This is someone who knows Belzy's alignment and got caught making a blithe observation about it.
I have a hard time thinking that you aren't purposefully reducing key things here.

I also didn't like Ted when I first said it, but only after Xan said something did I re-eval on Ted and change my mind. Also, Tutuu beingTutuu is null/meh, so there was no one I liked on it, and multiple people I was wary of (even though that changed again once I looked into Ted)

You made the comment that you didn't like the composition of the Belzy wagon.

I asked "What's wrong with it?"

You said nothing about tutuu, proceeded to call ted good, and said I haven't made an impression.

You backtracked so hard the asphalt owns your sole.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:51 pm EnnUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUI
This is not something one says when shouting with glee whilst sliding...unless you're Sylvia Plath
Fixed.

Fucin mobile

They also make ear drops so you can hear their mobile phones better.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:51 pm EnnUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUI
This is not something one says when shouting with glee whilst sliding...unless you're Sylvia Plath
Fixed.

Fucin mobile

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:51 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:50 pm @fingersplints I wanna vote for Epi, but both Epi and Samac are not in the poll.
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine in the thread and it will be counted. @Roxy

No, that doesn't work. Sounds too happy. Like one is going down a very fun slide.

I'll get this one day.

EnnUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUI

Wait wait wait lemme try again. Please.

How was that? Too long? Too many vowels?

Too many vowels, wasn't it.

Damn.

I'm BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORED

I'm struggling with this one.

How do the kids put it these days?

Let me try.

Hang on. Hold my beer.

Or heard, rather.

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