The Syndicate

I really enjoyed this. Thanks again for hosting if I haven't said it. Having taught Cinema studies, I loved the Hays Code element. I think I got away with saying "shit" though.

No wait, I died that night.

You know, Mafia always makes me think of Henry Fonda in Twelve Angry Men. This made me feel doubly so.

Only instead of proving innocence, we were trying to show that Juror #3 should be strung up by his shoelaces.

Oh, that's a very clever (and cruel) game mechanic. Well done, llama and Mongoose.

Dom wrote:So proud of Nev and Lizzy!

Yay team!

<3<3

mongoose, host more often, mkay?

That's what, the third time this year I took you down?

Can't do anything after I'm dead though.

Well, whaddaya know? I got one outta four right. Just like wid my wives.

Why I oughta...

I may be sleepin' with the fishes soon, so I said my thoughts. I got to be sleepin' now in the literal sense.

A Person: All quotes / OT

Roxy: Probably good.

Hedgeowl: Good. Voted for Dom early on.

Vompatti: Hasn't said nuthin' since the beginning.

timmer: Weird fucker- gotta think about him some more.

Metalmarsh89: voted Turnips, whom I suspect. I think he's a good fella.

S~V~S: I have a great many reasons to suspect Sra. Tildes, but somethin' gives me a bit of the hold up now. Dom's statements to fool the lie detector man were rather specific, wasn't they?

Dom wrote: I am not on a team with SVS.
I am not on a team with Turnip Head.
I have no knowledge of SVS's role.
I have no knowledge of Turnip Head.

Should the liar checker have a peep at Dom's first statement, it coulda rang false, and Dom woulda known that. Somethin' to keep in mind.

Lizzy: Self-inflicting loon.

Kate: Cool baby.

Turnip Head: Awful hypocritical in da woist sense. Voted for Highflyers for the same reason she voted Dom. Dom was uneasy about votin' for him. However, the same business re: Sra. Tildes applies.

Nevinera: Replaced SD, and he doesn't smell of roses to me.

Nevinera wrote:Anyway, hi! I see we've already got this game in the bag, so thanks for doing all the work without me :-)
Though I guess now we have a long slog to find everyone else, with no intentional kills left to give us clues.

This don't seem genuine whatsoever.

Enygma Eve: Same business regarding A Person- ain't nothin' of substance there. A dog.

k4j: I think he's all right.

boo: I could see boo being scummy. He went after spacedaisy for no good reason on the first day, and Nevinera doesn't strike me as particularly sincere. boo seems even less sincere. Read his posts.

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Nice vote, lady!

See, my work is in exposin' the hypocriticals.

Sra. Tildes said she thought Dom was a bad man, but didn't vote him, see? Instead, poor Highflyers took the fall.
Turnips voted for Highflyers for a reason that he himself is guilty of.
Dom accused me of cheatin' the lie detector man when he himself hadn't said a word anyone could measure one way or another.

Dat's my summary for you bums who don't wanna do no readin'.
If I was bad, why wouldn't I have just voted Dom yesterday? I had already made a post about him. Could have done it in a heartbeat.

Don't really have time right now to make any in depth arguments. Sorry I missed your post Roxy. You did not bring up any new points against me that I hadn't already defended against. And I talked about the LD thing because I had something to say on the matter. If someone had brought something else up worth talking about, I would have talked about that too. But we got through this day without a lot of discussion of suspicions, which is not my fault.

Epi, stop trying to bully Dom into voting for me.

boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:Hmm. Well, I was right that Dom would kill agleamin, at the very least.

I think that means TH and Epi aren't bad, k4j and Kate (unless forced) almost for sure aren't, and SVS probably is.
And why is Turnips good in your opinion? He voted second for Highflyers on the first Day.
I don't think he and Dom were on a team. If you named 3/4, I'd be impressed, but I don't buy it, and of TH and SVS, I think SVS is the more probable Dom teammate.

Also: Hedge had voted Dom D1 which put him at 3 (tied with FH), so I'd add her to the 'probably not' list, and Dom voted lizzy after she self voted, so she's on it as well.
Yes, I know you think that. You said what you think. You haven't said why.
If they were both on a team, I think the decision to vote for you would have be much easier, and you wouldn't have got them to the point where they missed the vote. It probably only would have been a temporary reprieve for them, but I really think Dom (at least) would have taken the opportunity to lynch you to ensure he wouldn't be.

Heh.

boo wrote:If it is Epi lynched today, I think we'll want to keep in mind prizes awarded from the submissions, I have a pretty easy time imaging at least two out of those three potentially coming from him.

boo wrote:Also Epi, what do you think of Timmer? He was the third FH voter. I think he's more likely another baddie than TH tbh. We've seen so little of him, and while I'm not sure that says much about alignment either way generally, this theme is right in his wheelhouse, and I tend to think when a player is a civ and in a game with a theme they really like, they'll make more of an effort to be part of the game than they may otherwise be (which they can get from BTSC as a baddie, making their thread presence smaller than if they were a civ in the same game).

Now that's true- we ain't seen much of the timmers. I think I might have to look at his contributions again.

kneel4justice wrote:Yaaaaassssssss!!!!!!!
Sorry for not voting Dom Day 1.

But ya did it now. Good work.

I, too, feel good about Kate.

boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:Hmm. Well, I was right that Dom would kill agleamin, at the very least.

I think that means TH and Epi aren't bad, k4j and Kate (unless forced) almost for sure aren't, and SVS probably is.
And why is Turnips good in your opinion? He voted second for Highflyers on the first Day.
I don't think he and Dom were on a team. If you named 3/4, I'd be impressed, but I don't buy it, and of TH and SVS, I think SVS is the more probable Dom teammate.

Also: Hedge had voted Dom D1 which put him at 3 (tied with FH), so I'd add her to the 'probably not' list, and Dom voted lizzy after she self voted, so she's on it as well.

Yes, I know you think that. You said what you think. You haven't said why.

boo wrote:Hmm. Well, I was right that Dom would kill agleamin, at the very least.

I think that means TH and Epi aren't bad, k4j and Kate (unless forced) almost for sure aren't, and SVS probably is.

And why is Turnips good in your opinion? He voted second for Highflyers on the first Day.

Since we have been deprived of the good Reverend's company, let me pray in his place.

Good Lord Jesus,
Help us to lynch the other trespassers among us.
Amen.

Now pass the plates.

Turnip Head wrote:I've never been lynched as a civvie before in all my time playing mafia. This will be a first. Wish I had been able to be around to defend myself. And I wish the days were not so short. Same thing happened to me in CAH. I will probably not sign up for a speed game again, the pace messed with how I play the game.

Don't vote for someone and give a reason that you yourself is guilty of.

Dom wrote:Epig is soooo bad

I get this a lot, you know? People wanna chalk up their own poor decisions and their own hangups to my behavior. Frankly, I'm flattered I can still pull this shit. Doesn't make me bad. It makes you bad, in a different way. No offense.

Work on that trigger finger.

Dom wrote:
boo wrote:
Dom wrote:More importantly, I must vote in a way that preserves myself, as I also have two votes.

Epig, you're seeming desperate to make anyone look bad. I speculated on someone else's idea and swiftly said it could go either way.
If you genuinely think Epi is more suspicious than TH then I think you'll (probably) be safe voting for him, even after his vote would likely go to you as retribution.
Do you see the vote count?

Epig is probably bad given this poll and the way he forced me into voting someone.

Actually Dom, I forced you into missing the vote.

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:More importantly, I must vote in a way that preserves myself, as I also have two votes.

Epig, you're seeming desperate to make anyone look bad. I speculated on someone else's idea and swiftly said it could go either way.
Desperate? I named tree people. There's four rotten runnin' round here. As I said, I'm callin' out da hypocriticals.

You wanna vote Turnips and save ya skin or not?
I don't really have a choice, do I?

Well, who's on your mind, kid?

Dom wrote:More importantly, I must vote in a way that preserves myself, as I also have two votes.

Epig, you're seeming desperate to make anyone look bad. I speculated on someone else's idea and swiftly said it could go either way.

Desperate? I named tree people. There's four rotten runnin' round here. As I said, I'm callin' out da hypocriticals.

You wanna vote Turnips and save ya skin or not?

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Dom accused me of cheatin' the lie detector man when he himself hadn't said a word anyone could measure one way or another.
.
This isn't quite true.

Dom wrote:Anyway, I think this discussion about Epig's speak is valuable to an extent. It would be a very Epignosis thing to do: speak in a way that gets you out of LD statements and also seeming so Epig it's meta-epig.
Or something.
My reply:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 692#p58692
I'll gladly point out that "Sra. tildes" brought it up before me, and I was commenting on HER idea.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 627#p58627

Doesn't take you outta da hypocriticals.

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Dom accused me of cheatin' the lie detector man when he himself hadn't said a word anyone could measure one way or another.
.
This isn't quite true.

Dom wrote:Anyway, I think this discussion about Epig's speak is valuable to an extent. It would be a very Epignosis thing to do: speak in a way that gets you out of LD statements and also seeming so Epig it's meta-epig.
Or something.

My reply:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 692#p58692

Dom wrote:I am not on a team with Turnip Head.

How'd you feel about voting Turnips?

Nice vote, lady!

See, my work is in exposin' the hypocriticals.

Sra. Tildes said she thought Dom was a bad man, but didn't vote him, see? Instead, poor Highflyers took the fall.
Turnips voted for Highflyers for a reason that he himself is guilty of.
Dom accused me of cheatin' the lie detector man when he himself hadn't said a word anyone could measure one way or another.

Dat's my summary for you bums who don't wanna do no readin'.

Roxy, my dear, I see you there. I was not forgetting about you. Ha ha.

Roxy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Rats and mice.

You tell me how many miss the vote, and I'll vote the way you want me to on Day 2.

Takin' bets.
4
We have a winner!

Don't steer me wrong, doll. I've got good feelin's about you.

Sorry.
But this is so funny after your Day 1 stunt. How would you have felt if others had followed your vote and you would have lost someone you have good feelings about? What do you think of Boo's post about SVS? It kind of threw me off bc I have not felt a nose twitch where she is concerned. But like I want from you, I want her to prove her civ-ness by thread actions.

On da first day, I do what I like. You pays your money and you takes your pick.

How would I have felt if Hedges got the ring-a-ding-ding? About the same as I felt when poor Highflyers got met with da Big Sleep.

And it sounded like boo had more to say about me than Sra. Tildes.

You got a lot to learn about me, lady.

thellama73 wrote:Less than an hour left and 11 missing votes. It's gonna be a massacre.

Listen, elephant ears, I got this under control.

Hedgeowl wrote:Well I caught up mostly. Soo, I was not getting super civv vibes from The Turps, but then Epi spelled it out. I do not think he is a teamie with SVS and Dom, but agree with k4j that posting lots of LD statements seems distracting possibly. I am not sure what to make of Epi right now either, but besides his clearly misguided Day 1 vote I am feeling what he's throwing sometimes. Ok maybe just about TH.

Since all the cool kids are doing it. I am not bad. I do not anyone else's role in this game.

Votes TH

Hedgie baby, just because I vote for you doesn't mean I think ill of you. As I said, I think the world of ya. Would love to buy ya a drink sometime.

Am I to understand that you would like me to do a number on Turnip Head? I'm an honest fella, and I pay my gambling debts on time.

And whilst I am here:

"I do not anyone else's role in this game."

I have no clue how the liar man is gonna process that doozy. Jeepers.

thellama73 wrote:So.... is anyone planning on voting in the lynch poll tonight? I'm sure I don't have to remind you that missing votes will have consequences.

Votin' has consequences too, y'know.

Dom wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:In case I die, your mob includes Dom, S~V~S, and Turnip Head.
These posts always make me:

And you're quite confident.
Cocky/Confident is a trait of townie Epi.
Is it not?
I know this is essentially how you build cases on people--metagaming--but, alas, I don't think it's useful with Epignosis at all. Epig is almost always overconfident-- he almost always thinks he knows everything despite knowing precisely not everything.

You phrased that more nicely than I deserve.

boo wrote:Well, a few thoughts.

If it is Epi lynched today, I think we'll want to keep in mind prizes awarded from the submissions, I have a pretty easy time imaging at least two out of those three potentially coming from him.

As for the discussion around him (and SVS, and Dom, and TH, really just the 4 of you discussing the 4 of you, but my 2 cents on it): his D1 vote and reasoning are about as serious as what I did in Liars Club 2, and he wound up being bad that game (and killing me for it... because I named all 3 of them in the 6 I grabbed out nowhere). My first thought when I saw his vote was that he was bad but thought using the same sort of logic would let him get away with it, and staying in the character didn't make me feel better about him. I considered voting him for that, but it was all a bit WIFOM-y for D1, and at that point I hadn't decided, between him and SVS, who I trusted (in my mind it has already come down to one of them being bad or at least indy). When the lynch ended I was leaning towards SVS for the one who was bad, but her responses (less so to what I asked her, and more the continuing argument between her and Epi), made me feel slightly better about her and a lot worse about Epi.

To cap that off, we have the NK. To me, standard logic for an early NK is to go after low-flying players to reduce the chance you get someone whose protected, and agleamin fits that to a tee (probably one of 4 players, that if I were a baddie - which I'm not, if these statements are LD-erable - I would have chosen for the NK). Now (correct me if I'm wrong you three), but the baddie team Epi has somehow already pegged 3 of the 4 of (SVS, Dom, TH), probably all share that idea for who it makes the most sense to NK. Epi, on the otherhand, doesn't operate the same way, in my experiences with him as a baddie. Now, I think all of them know that, so while we're looking at WIFOM, if one of the first three (or 2, or all three), was a baddie, they would have used that knowledge about Epi and killed someone more in line with who he may kill, and vice versa, Epi would (and I think did) decide to target someone to try and use the kill as a framejob.

Now, apologies Epi, that doesn't really give you anything to defend since it's all WIFOM/gut-based stuff, but that is what it is. If you have any new arguments for why we should vote for any of your three, or anyone new, I'll consider what you have to say, but because of my last post I wanted to get this out of the way once day started so my intentions going into the vote are clear and don't come out of nowhere since I don't think I'll be on much tomorrow when discussion is taking place.

Alls I can say is that if I was the good Reverend, I wouldn'ta gone after Gleamins like that. Poor fella gets bumped off all the time 'fore he can even say hello and take off his overcoat. I may be of a devious sort, but I ain't cruel.

Turnip Head wrote:So you think that I accused Dom, and then once people agreed with me, I tried to save him?

Sra. Tildes accused Dom and didn't vote for him. So yeah. That's what I'm thinkin'.

Turnip Head wrote:I already admitted to hopping on a bandwagon, just a different one, and for different reasons. So, not sure what you're accusing me of.

Sayin' one thing and doin' another.

S~V~S wrote:Back with the eyeball for little crap.

Voting for you when the poll comes up.

Lady, I ain't tryin' to convince you of nothin'. You already know.

Turnip Head wrote:FH agreed with Kate, who in turn agreed on a small thought I had, giving no analysis of their own to go with it. That's the definition of hopping on a bandwagon.

And lol @ putting me and SVS both in your mafia.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm voting for Flyin High. I agree with k4j, she was too quick to hop on the Dom bandwagon.

In case I die, your mob includes Dom, S~V~S, and Turnip Head.

Turnip Head wrote:And you have been scolded repeatedly for expressing your individuality. :P

But in the situation I was in, the choices were to either hop on the Dom bandwagon, or hop on some other up and coming bandwagon that made sense to me. I did what felt right at the time. I do not know Dom's role. But the case against Dom did not sway me, so I voted the other way.

Nobody on the block claims to know what Dom's role is, so I don't why people keep rattlin' that off to me.

You voted for Highflyers because she was "quick to hop on a Dom bandwagon." Second voter, and she jumped on a bandwagon? The hell?

Highflyers voted for Dom because of what YOU said. YOU. This is why you're guilty.

Kate wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Haha. That's a good point. We do seem to be a pretty reasonable bunch so far.

I agree that Dom's vote post is weird. I feel like he was acting like there was a case on Hedge that people were discussing, when really it was just Epi's vote (for whatever reason he made it). Dom randomized, so he himself is not part of the lynch, but in that post you quoted above he's trying to set it up as being an Epi vs. Hedge lynch while he's gone.
THIS is a very good point. Go click on Epi's handy dandy post getter on Dom's name. His last 2 posts make little to no sense when read back to back.

I'm going to go ahead and vote dom. I think he was doing a lil pot stirring.

Flyin' High wrote:I agree. *votes*

Like Sra. Tildes, you voted someone other than Dom for a weaker reason despite expressing suspicion of Dom.

Turnip Head wrote:And yeah, I hopped on a bandwagon too. Everybody's gotta.

I didn't, mister.

Turnip Head wrote:Back in the Lostpedia days, this is usually where the thread devolved into a bunch of "I'm a civvie!" statements from everybody for the LD to check. As far as I can tell, this has recently been discouraged from happening, even by adding rules on how the LD can use their power. In WWE, I was not allowed to check a statement that directly revealed a player's alignment.

So then, it would be helpful to our LD I think, if we phrased our theories in the form of statements, which the LD can use to check the truthiness of.

SVS has done this but only in statements that involve herself, but they mostly look checkable, except for her "I am not bad" statement, which I do not believe is checkable, but I'd like to be proven wrong.

Timmer and Dom are teammates. Timmer voted for FH to save Dom.

That is a theory. I can see how it could be true. Maybe the LD could figure it out tonight, if s/he is curious.

See, I think all this talk is a way to distract the Pants on Fire Smeller from doing what he was going to do in the first place. It smells desperate to me. You said:

"Timmer and Dom are teammates."

The old man might check that, but if Timmers and Dom are both civilians, that would come up true, right? Or if they were the lovebirds, that would come up true, right? A distraction.

"Timmer voted for FH to save Dom."

Nobody can know why one person voted.

++++

Say friend, why did you vote Highflyers?

Turnip Head wrote:I'm voting for Flyin High. I agree with k4j, she was too quick to hop on the Dom bandwagon.

Now see, you voted because she was "too quick to hop on the Dom bandwagon." She voted second. Voting second is hoping on a bandwagon, according to you.

That's funny as hell, isn't it?

thellama73 wrote:
Flyin' High
3
kneel4justice (12), Turnip Head (13), timmer (15)
19%

Accusin' me of tryin' to cheat the ol' lie detector man, eh? Well, this ain't hard with you only makin' eight posts, Dom:

Dom wrote:^Not a bad idea, perhaps.

Very good opening post.

I just thought of American Horror Story as I read .

Speculation
Your opinion
Nobody knows what you think.

Dom wrote:I'm tempted to vote train because I love the Orient Express.

Nobody knows what tempts you or what you love.

Dom wrote:Voted Train!

You voted train.

Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Interesting... two "joke" votes one on top of the other.
My thoughts exactly.

Nobody knows what your thoughts are.

Dom wrote:My best friend is visiting, and I don't have a lot of time. I don't want to miss a vote, and I'm not convinced on either Epig nor HEdgie. So I'll randomize for Lizzy.

Unless your best friend is playing, nobody knows if this is true. You clearly didn't want to miss a vote. Nobody knows what you're convinced of. You probably randomized Liz.

Dom wrote:Stopping in:

What I meant is that I am not convinced that Epig has nefarious purposes. I think he's probably joking... And I think that anyone who votes Hedge isn't getting that.

Nobody knows what you think.

Dom wrote:Sorry to see you go FH.

I don't have time to address specific concerns or anything, but if I read like I wasn't making sense, it's likely I wasn't because until this morning, I hadn't sat down and closely read the thread. I was skimming along to keep up and such, but nothing that I should have been doing, and for that I apologize.
In addition, I had no idea Lizzy had a vote on her. I don't remember getting a link notification, but I would have re-randomized if I had known that.

Nobody knows if you were sorry to see FH go. Nobody knows if you have time to address specific concerns or anything. Nobody knows if you hadn't sat down and closely read the thread. Nobody knows if you were skimming along to keep up and such. Nobody knows if you had no idea Liz had a vote on her. Nobody knows if you remember getting a link notification. Nobody knows if you would have re-randomized if you had known that.

Dom wrote:Lizzy, I don't think it was clear that I didn't notice that you'd vote for yourself, then if it was, like I said, I wasn't reading very closely. I was skimming. I had a few minutes before we were out for awhile.

Anyway, I think this discussion about Epig's speak is valuable to an extent. It would be a very Epignosis thing to do: speak in a way that gets you out of LD statements and also seeming so Epig it's meta-epig.
Or something.

I think I'm seeing SVS's civvie game-- perhaps independent, but I'm leaning civvie. Epig could go either way.

Nobody knows what you think. Nobody knows if you were skimming. Nobody knows if you had a few minutes. Nobody knows what you think about how I jaw. Nobody knows what "a very Epignosis" thing is.

As soon as you've said a few syllables or hummed a few bars the old lie looker can look at, then you can try a little chin music on me. Until then, here's

at you kid.

Dom wrote:I think I'm seeing SVS's civvie game-- perhaps independent, but I'm leaning civvie.

You would.

Dom wrote:Anyway, I think this discussion about Epig's speak is valuable to an extent. It would be a very Epignosis thing to do: speak in a way that gets you out of LD statements and also seeming so Epig it's meta-epig.
Or something.

Maybe I'm not worried about scammin' the polygraph man.

Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta see a man about a dog.

S~V~S wrote:Personally, Epi, i think you getting all up in my grille (after i voted for you) is a helluva lot more suspicious in light of the very open answers i have given.

I'm not familiar with that kind of doubletalk, "getting all up in my grille," but if you're thinkin' I'm done puttin' the screws to you, well, that's where you're wrong.

S~V~S wrote:Not a fan of "reaction" votes, although i know Epi has done it before. But it can cause i baddie pile up, and innocents die.

S~V~S wrote:OK, but my point was that in GENERAL it's not a good idea IMO. Regardless of someones reasons for doing it, it can lead to a bad end. I have seen it, i am sure you have too. When he cast that first vote he had no clue how reasonable this group would be (he knows us; reasonable? ) It's a risk I don't like.

Compare that bit of business to this:

S~V~S wrote:The bit of a bandwagon that formed did make me tense, which was why I went with my first ping, which was Epi, before Dom even posted. So, sorry for actually talking during a Mafia game. I saw both Epi & Hedge as being potential partners with Dom, but it is day one and that type of thing is tenuous at best.

This means Sra. Tildes in one day went from Hedges being a swell dame to my alleged partner in crime.

Think about it a second. If Hedges were an innocent doll and people ganged up on her, Hedges would've been shown as such at the end of the day. Sra. Tildes could have me locked up easy after that.

But if we're partners in crime, then my early vote for Hedges was tactical distancing that could have went sour easily according to the underlined above. In this case, you'd think Sra. Tildes would have been happy that I was rattin' out my partner.

Boy oh boy I sure do love gettin' dem reactions.

S~V~S wrote:No I don't think so. Like everyone else, i was in the dark about his role. I went back and forth on him. Talking about your evolving thoughts is kinda what we do in mafia.

If you're a good soul, then you'd be in the dark about anybody's role.

As for the rest of us, we know you're not Nick or Nora or Old Man Cardigan.

S~V~S wrote:I think Timmer coming in and dropping a vote on FH is more suspicious tbh, especially since he seemed rather knowledgeable about what was going on in thread very fast. Not so sure i believe him about how he was keeping up.

S~V~S wrote:Timmer my point was that you appeared to have caught up TOO quickly. like maybe you had help. Although this reaction makes me feel better about you.

S~V~S wrote:Yeah, lynched without me. Meaning i assumed he would be lynched without me voting for him. He had 3 votes, and it looked like many were no showing till the last 20 minutes.

I have said this phrase before, not sure why it's got your eyeball up unless it is that I suspect you. Nice try.

You mean to tell me that it ain't one bit suspicious that you made a big talk about Dom and then, when the opportunity presented itself to say "Fare thee well" to the old man, you called it off?

Turnip Head wrote:Epi, you said you didn't notice Lizzy's self-vote until after Dom voted for her too. Can't you see how Dom could have missed Lizzy's vote well? He even said he was in a hurry at the time. Lizzy never explicitly stated her vote was a self vote, and so someone who was skimming and not looking at vote tallies could have completely missed it. The suspicion against Dom seems it can mostly be explained by the him not paying as much attention as he should have. I think you might be reading too much into it.

You know, you ain't too perceptive for a man runnin' the wire. I was suggesting that people oughta lay off Dom, who went random on Liz right after she cut herself without his noticing.

Even Sra. Tildes said I was defending Dom. I wasn't, however, because I think Sra. Tildes and Dom are partners in crime. I was just pointing out what was a rotten reason for voting a fella.

S~V~S wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am gonna drop a vote on Epi. I really don't love endangering people just to see who reacts how. Plus his "4 minutes" thing about Dom was odd to me. Like I said, i could see more than one reason for Dom to do what he did, but less so Epi, IMO.

I do not understand a vote for Epi based on his vote. I just don't. To me in my very first game he struck me as the reaction type. He led many civ lynches that game, I think he is naturally scummy not necesarrily alignment scummy. Lol! But I am surprised you don't see this.

S~V~S wrote:I think it more likely that Dom is bad, tbh. I said IF, and it's a big IF. I hated that vote for Lizzy. But i hated Epis vote for Hedge and that little defense of Dom even more.
I voted for him more for his "4 minute" post about Dom~ the reaction vote was icing.

I don't know Dom from that canary what sings "Ten Cents a Dance" down at Curley's, but facts is facts. There was four minutes between Lizzy's vote and Dom's vote. Hell, I didn't notice Lizzy tryin' to do herself in until after Dom took a shot at her.

S~V~S wrote:
Dom wrote:My best friend is visiting, and I don't have a lot of time. I don't want to miss a vote, and I'm not convinced on either Epig nor HEdgie. So I'll randomize for Lizzy.
For one, i don't love your randomized vote onto someone who already has a vote, thus making her the vote leader. For another, you voted randomly early since you were busy, yet you still returned for some commentary on how voting for Hedge would be a mistake. I could see more than one reason for this. So I am watching you Dom, but not voting you at this point.

Linki~ OK, but my point was that in GENERAL it's not a good idea IMO. Regardless of someones reasons for doing it, it can lead to a bad end. I have seen it, i am sure you have too. When he cast that first vote he had no clue how reasonable this group would be (he knows us; reasonable? ) It's a risk I don't like.

S~V~S wrote:I am gonna drop a vote on Epi. I really don't love endangering people just to see who reacts how. Plus his "4 minutes" thing about Dom was odd to me. Like I said, i could see more than one reason for Dom to do what he did, but less so Epi, IMO.

Word on the street is that there's a pair of lovebirds who can chitchat, a canine that gets in people's way, a dame that likes her privacy, a lie detector, a survivor, somebody lookin' for a statue to buy a little hooch or a brick of wine, a hunter, a dead mimic, a spy, a doomed individual, and a broad what serves drinks and such. I don't see one good reason, let alone two or tree, that would explain Dom's random act of kindness or his defense of Hedges. They ain't lovebirds, Dom and Hedges, because Hedges voted Dom, see?

S~V~S wrote:The bit of a bandwagon that formed did make me tense, which was why I went with my first ping, which was Epi, before Dom even posted. So, sorry for actually talking during a Mafia game. I saw both Epi & Hedge as being potential partners with Dom, but it is day one and that type of thing is tenuous at best.

But yeah, I was back and forth on Dom. I still am, and will very likely continue tomorrow.

A minute for rebuttal.

First, and again, Hedges voted for Dom third (ninth overall), so they are in no wise partners. You went eleventh, after Hedges, so you might have been able to rethink your theory about us. But second, and more importantly I might add, if you thought me and Dom was runnin' this turf together, you would've had no reservations voting for Dom, bandwagon or not (and tree votes is hardly a bandwagon). I've seen you gun down independent persons with more enthusiasm.

S~V~S wrote:Not a fan of "reaction" votes, although i know Epi has done it before. But it can cause i baddie pile up, and innocents die.

You know what else greases innocents? Supposed townspeople who throw away their vote.

S~V~S wrote:No, I hate voting for people for no reason, "reaction" voting is just as bad as random IMO. Especially since he seems to pick the same people to do it to. I think his whole thing has been off for me this game.

Linki~ not sure tbh. IF Dom is civ, IF, I think i have a role in mind for him. Since with this turnout, i assume Dom is being lynched without me, I wanted my opinion on record.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Rats and mice.

You tell me how many miss the vote, and I'll vote the way you want me to on Day 2.

Takin' bets.
4

We have a winner!

Don't steer me wrong, doll. I've got good feelin's about you.

S~V~S wrote:Seven

Seven is taken.

Anyone else?

Kate wrote:3

Will three be winner? We shall see...

Six is taken!

Rats and mice.

You tell me how many miss the vote, and I'll vote the way you want me to on Day 2.

Takin' bets.

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